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Softmirror:
Lol 😂. According to someone who claims that there are Churches here and there in Israel when the population of IChristians in Israel is not up to 2 %.

This converts were astonished and overwhelmed by the population of Muslims in Israel. One which they never expected and the little fraction of Christians in the birth place of Christ which provoked questioning there mind. The most surprising was when the GUIDE had to excuse the pilgrims when it was time for Muslim prayers to go pray in the Mosque. I don't have statistics, but it is very true that there are Christian pilgrims who converted to Islam upon their return from Jerusalem. It's your choice to believe or not to believe. The statistics that is in the open is that, Christians are just about 1.9% in Israel. A very insignificant percent so where are the churches?

Oga what does the population of Christians have to do with the fact that there are churches in Isreal? Don't be dumb. Do the 2% of Christians in Israel worship in the air? Oga have some sense.
According to you, Christians go to Israel and see that 20% of the population is Muslim and because of that, they become Muslim. Even for a fool, does this make sense? if you don't have numbers to back your claim then the intelligent thing to do is to keep shut. It is not wise to say things you can't defend.
Now below is a list of some of the popular churches in Israel.
Jerusalem:

Church of the Holy Sepulchre
Church of the Nativity (Bethlehem)
Church of the Annunciation (Nazareth)
St. Anne's Church (Jerusalem)
Dormition Abbey (Jerusalem)
Chapel of the Ascension (Mount of Olives)
Garden Tomb (Jerusalem)
Russian Orthodox Church of St. Mary Magdalene (Jerusalem)
Armenian Patriarchate (Jerusalem)
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate (Jerusalem)
Latin Patriarchate (Jerusalem)
Nazareth:

Basilica of the Annunciation
Church of St. Joseph
Church of the Synagogue
Christ Church, Nazareth
Other Cities:

Elijah's Cave Church (Haifa)
Stella Maris Monastery (Haifa)
Church of the Multiplication of the Loaves and Fishes (Tabgha)
Church of the Beatitudes (Mount of Beatitudes)
St. Peter's Church (Capernaum)
Church of St. Andrew (Capernaum)

Bobodee09:
Constructive criticism is what sensible people do.

Destructive criticism is what retards do.

My boy when people like you don't like the feedback, you term it destructive criticism. Our politicians are lucky to have boys like you. You represent what we term useful idiots.

Softmirror:
And you didn't convert to Islam after coming back from your travels? A good number of people who travel on pilgrimage to Israel that I know ended up becoming Muslims.

Based on whose statistics? You boys just come up with funny tales not backed by facts. Please give me the source of your tale. I am open to learning from you. What percentage of visitors to Israel become Muslim? Back your tales with numbers.

Bobodee09:
Keep analyzing with hate.

Do you even know the meaning of hate? People like you are the biggest problem in our country. You keep protecting the politicians who don't care about you. You get pained when anyone disagrees with their useless policies. With people like you, Nigeria has no hope. You pretend to love but if you can't tell the truth to those you say you love, what kind of person are you? It's just a big shame. Since 1960, men like you, sycophants have held us back.

Softmirror:
Lol 😂 IGNORANCE Christians are not even up to 2% in Israel lol

Yes in Israel, they have freedom of speech. And yes christians are a minority in Israel how is that a problem? Christians can't be a majority in every nation.
I have been to Israel, you have not. Christians worship openly and freely in Israel.
As a Christian, you will be taken round the sacred sites by Jewish guides. You are respected. Travel and learn my man

Bobodee09:
Those residents in the local government applaud it so why are you wailing over it.

What if they already have plans to get more acres?? This just the beginning so the condemnation is totally uncalled for.

There something called constructive criticism......this first step be publicize better than nothing.

You talk like a child. Did you go round the local government to conduct a poll to see who applauds it? Where is your evidence child?
And even if everyone in the local government applauds it, does that mean no one can disapprove of it?
You suffer from what we call herd mentality. People like you go with the crowd and can't think for yourself. Learn to do simple analysis my man.

Whyai:
Christians are without any doubt the most disingenous group of people.

They will pretend and look away once a narrative doesn't not affect them or their interest.

It's why their huge population worldwide is only useful for spreading political agenda. The perfect religion for inequality and subjugation.

Some will still come and argue here despite all the overwhelming evidence like this retard's statement.

Yet it was Christians that ended slavery. It was Christians that first recognized human rights. The world is a better place because of the actions of Christians more than any other group. You need to educate yourself.

Softmirror:
All of you shouting if it is Israel lol 😂. How does it make any sense. Jew are intolerant of Christians in Israel 😂 so what is your point?

Infact it is a Jewish rites to spit saliva on Christians and mind you Islam has been practiced in China since the 7 th century.

Oga, you have never been to Israel so could you shut up and stop saying what you don't know. In Israel, christians have freedom of worship. There hundreds of churches all over Israel and these churches don't get burnt like I have seen Muslims burn churches in northern Nigeria. Please travel before talking.

madridguy:
The Uyghur Muslims will surely overcome their challenges.

As long as it's not Israel doing this, no one cares and honestly, there is zero hope for the Uyghur Muslims. Every the Muslim nation loves China so much and can't stop doing business with the Chinese. No one cares about the Uyghur and it's a shame

Noah, Abraham, Melchizedek, and the rest all lived before the law was given to Moses. What laws did they obey?

Bobodee09:
Your criticism is just blind honestly.

Maybe they should cancel since it add nothing according to you.

Like how you people just go about with condemnation of everything is appalling.

You are only being emotional. I said it's only publicity as it doesn't help in anyway. A 50 acres farm can't feed 2000 people. In a local government that has maybe close to a million people, setting up a farm to feed 2000 people is not the right way to go unless you are doing it for publicity. Even you should understand that.

MindHacker9009:
You are the one giving in to foolishness.

See what you wrote below, but same Flavius Josephus you quoted did not know about Christianity in AD 53! Even though you quoted that "He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks"

"Here are the very words of the first Century historian Flavius Josephus
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks.
Here is a link so you can educate yourself on the works of Josephus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus"

Mr Nobody, you are yet to address my last reply where I gave you a very long list of historians, mostly first century historians who wrote about the early Christian persecution at the hands of the Romans.
Could you list the historians who feed you the nonsense you have been spewing?

Tayorshd87:
But as for now how are we coping with the Nigerian food price or cash crop from the market 🤔

So I was thinking implementing this should reduce the price ..

Do u inderstand my idea at all ??
🤔

I perfectly understand you. But to me, this is all window dressing, e need real solutions

MindHacker9009:
You are the one giving in to foolishness.

See what you wrote below, but same Flavius Josephus you quoted did not know about Christianity in AD 53! Even though you quoted that "He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks"

"Here are the very words of the first Century historian Flavius Josephus
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks.
Here is a link so you can educate yourself on the works of Josephus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus"

Again you are very confused. It is evident that Josephus knew about Jesus Christ but your issue here is that he did not mention Christianity in his works. First, there is no evidence that the followers of Christ were generally called Christians in the first century so if his followers were not even known as Christians, why would Josephus write about that? Oga use your head.
Now here are other historians who wrote about the early Christian persecution.

1. Tacitus (c. 56–120 CE)
Work: Annals (Book 15, Chapter 44)
What he wrote: Tacitus provides a non-Christian account of Nero's persecution of Christians after the Great Fire of Rome in 64 CE. He describes how Nero blamed Christians for the fire and subjected them to brutal punishments, including being burned alive, crucified, or thrown to wild animals.
2. Suetonius (c. 69–122 CE)
Work: The Twelve Caesars (Life of Nero, Chapter 16; Life of Claudius, Chapter 25)
What he wrote: Suetonius briefly mentions Christians, referring to them as followers of a "new and mischievous superstition." In Claudius's reign, he records the expulsion of Jews from Rome due to disturbances "instigated by Chrestus" (likely a reference to Christ).
3. Pliny the Younger (c. 61–113 CE)
Work: Letters (Book 10, Letter 96)
What he wrote: Pliny, as a Roman governor, wrote to Emperor Trajan seeking advice on how to handle Christians. He described their practices, such as meeting for worship and taking oaths to live moral lives, and his methods of interrogating and punishing them if they refused to renounce their faith.
4. Josephus (c. 37–100 CE)
Work: Antiquities of the Jews (Book 20, Chapter 9)
What he wrote: Josephus, a Jewish historian, mentions the execution of James, the brother of Jesus, by the high priest Ananus in 62 CE. While not directly about persecution, it reflects early hostility toward Christians from Jewish authorities.
5. Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260–340 CE)
Work: Ecclesiastical History
What he wrote: Eusebius is one of the most comprehensive early Christian historians. He chronicled the persecutions of Christians from the time of Christ to the reign of Constantine. He included accounts of martyrs, imperial decrees, and the steadfastness of Christian communities.
6. Tertullian (c. 155–240 CE)
Work: Apologeticus (The Apology)
What he wrote: Tertullian defended Christianity against Roman accusations and criticized the unjust persecution of Christians. He argued for the rationality and morality of the Christian faith and highlighted the hypocrisy of Roman laws.
7. Lactantius (c. 250–325 CE)
Work: De Mortibus Persecutorum (On the Deaths of the Persecutors)
What he wrote: Lactantius provided a detailed account of the fates of emperors who persecuted Christians, portraying their deaths as divine punishment for their cruelty. He also described the Great Persecution under Diocletian.
8. Origen (c. 185–253 CE)
Work: Against Celsus and other apologetic writings
What he wrote: Origen defended Christianity against pagan critiques and indirectly documented Christian perseverance during times of persecution.
9. Martyr Acts and Hagiographies
Examples: The Martyrdom of Polycarp, The Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs, and The Passion of Perpetua and Felicity.
What they wrote: These texts offer vivid, detailed accounts of the trials and martyrdoms of early Christians, emphasizing their faith and courage in the face of persecution.


Here are additional historians, writers, and sources that document the early Christian persecution:

10. Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BCE–50 CE)
Work: Embassy to Gaius (Legatio ad Gaium)
What he wrote: Philo, a Jewish philosopher, provides context on the general hostility toward religious minorities in the Roman Empire, including early Christian sects. While not directly about Christian persecution, his work highlights the precarious status of monotheistic groups under Roman rule.
11. Clement of Rome (c. 35–99 CE)
Work: First Epistle of Clement
What he wrote: Clement, one of the earliest Church Fathers, mentions the sufferings of Christians in Rome and references the martyrdoms of Peter and Paul during Nero’s reign.
12. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35–110 CE)
Work: Epistles to the Churches (various letters)
What he wrote: Ignatius, on his way to martyrdom in Rome, wrote letters to various Christian communities. These letters reflect his acceptance of suffering for Christ and offer insights into the challenges faced by Christians during persecution.
13. Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69–155 CE)
Work: The Martyrdom of Polycarp (authored by disciples, not by Polycarp himself)
What it details: This early hagiographical account documents the trial and execution of Polycarp, emphasizing his steadfast faith and the broader context of Christian persecution in the Roman Empire.
14. The Acts of the Apostles (c. 60–90 CE)
Attributed to: Luke
What it details: The New Testament book chronicles the early church's growth and the persecution faced by apostles like Peter, Paul, and Stephen (the first Christian martyr).
15. Hegesippus (c. 110–180 CE)
Work: Fragments cited in Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History
What he wrote: Hegesippus wrote about the martyrdom of James the Just and other early Christian leaders, documenting internal and external challenges faced by the nascent church.
16. Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 CE)
Work: First Apology and Second Apology
What he wrote: Justin defended Christianity against Roman accusations and criticized pagan persecution of Christians. He provided descriptions of trials and executions, including his own eventual martyrdom.
17. The Epistle to Diognetus (2nd Century)
What it discusses: This anonymous work defends Christianity against pagan criticisms and indirectly highlights the reasons for Christian persecution, such as their refusal to worship Roman gods or the emperor.
18. Dionysius of Alexandria (c. 190–265 CE)
Work: Fragments cited in Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History
What he wrote: Dionysius described persecutions under the emperors Decius and Valerian, offering detailed accounts of Christian suffering and resilience.
19. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 CE)
Work: On the Lapsed and Letters
What he wrote: Cyprian reflected on the aftermath of persecutions, addressing issues like apostasy, reconciliation, and the steadfastness of martyrs.
20. Minucius Felix (c. 2nd–3rd Century)
Work: Octavius
What he wrote: This apologetic dialogue defended Christianity against Roman accusations and stereotypes, referencing the unjust treatment of Christians by Roman authorities.
21. The Sibylline Oracles (Christian Interpolations)
What they contain: These prophetic writings, later Christianized, include veiled criticisms of Roman oppression and portray Christian persecution as part of apocalyptic struggles.
22. Melito of Sardis (c. 2nd Century)
Work: Apology to Marcus Aurelius (now lost, but fragments survive)
What he wrote: Melito appealed to the Roman emperor, highlighting injustices against Christians and pleading for better treatment.
23. Martyrdom of Saints Perpetua and Felicity (c. 203 CE)
What it details: This account of two Christian women martyred in Carthage provides a vivid narrative of their trial, imprisonment, and eventual execution.
24. Celsus (2nd Century)
Work: The True Word (criticized by Origen in Against Celsus)
What he wrote: Although a critic of Christianity, Celsus’ attacks on Christians shed light on Roman attitudes and accusations that led to persecution.
25. Epiphanius of Salamis (c. 310–403 CE)
Work: Panarion
What he wrote: While primarily a heresiologist, Epiphanius included accounts of early Christian suffering and martyrdom to highlight the faith's endurance.
These sources provide diverse perspectives—both sympathetic and critical—on the experiences of early Christians under Roman rule.

Now Mr Nobody, Who are you quoting?

Jesus sect at that time were more popular than any other established:[/quote]You keep giving in to foolishness my brother.
Now you claim that Christianity was more popular than all the other Jewish sects.
And you went on to show verses that show the number of Christian. Now let me ask you, how many pharisees were there at the time of Josephus?
Stop saying things you have no idea of

Tayorshd87:
I don't think so since the government will be in charge to sell for its citizens.

And of other states or LG have theirs too then d food will be surplus and prices will reduce automatically..
And not just by 0.1% as u proclaimed

Oga, this 8s simple maths we have 774 local governments in Nigeria, multiple by 50 acres.
It's simple maths. That is less than 0.1% of all the farmlands in Nigeria.

MindHacker9009:
This quote was from Flavius Josephus:
"When I was in my sixteenth year, I had a mind to make trial of the several sects that were among us; these are the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes."

You have not answered my question on why did he not mention Christianity when Christianity was already popular?

You are the Nairaland nobody with zero qualification whose only qualification is your belief in the invented Jesus Christ!

I sent you a direct quote from Josephus about Jesus Christ and and entire link of his works on Jesus Christ but you refused to read. How else can I help you?
Now your question is a foolish one, and here is why.
First you are comparing Christianity which was only a few decades old at the time of Josephus to sects that were centuries old and much more established how does that make sense.

MindHacker9009:
Flavius Josephus wrote what you quoted around AD 95 from the royal palace in Rome and Flavius Josephus was not even born during the ministry of Jesus.

Now ask yourself why Flavius Josephus did not know of Christianity when he was 16 that's in AD 53 and did not know of Jesus followers when 3000 were added to the Christian faith on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:41). Following this, Acts 2:47 states: "And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." but here is an account from Flavius Josephus mentioned in his autobiography, "The Life of Josephus", that when he was 16 years old, he explored different Jewish sects in an effort to understand them and decide which one to follow. At the time, there were three major sects within Judaism:
Pharisees: Known for their strict interpretation and adherence to Jewish law and oral traditions.
Sadducees: A priestly, aristocratic group that rejected oral traditions and focused solely on the written Torah, often associated with Temple worship.
Essenes: A more ascetic and separatist sect that emphasized communal living, piety, and withdrawal from mainstream society.

So why was Christianity not mentioned, when Christianity was already popular at that time?

The summary of your point is that we should not trust a known scholar and historian of the first Century but we should trust you a Nairaland nobody with zero qualification who is not able to quote any known historian.
Even you should be able to see the holes in your argument

Paramount01:
It will reduced food scarcity,nothing more ,make food surplus together with other local framers

Did you use the word surplus?
Let me assume that you made a mistake.
Now let's do some maths. If all local governments added 50 acres of farm, it would
Still be less than 0.1% of the total farmland in the country. So give or take, it will increase food production by 0.1%.
Let's look at it from the position of food prices. It means if you used to buy garri for N1l000, it will now cost N999. Congrats you saved yourself one naira.

MindHacker9009:
Okay let me education you on Jewish history. In AD 70 when the Roman empire destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem and conquered the Jews there were no Christians Jerusalem there was only Judaism and the Romans took many Jews away to Rome as slaves. Christianity started from the Egyptian god Osiris which the Romans had added to their religion and then the Romans merged it with Judaism to create Christianity in AD 313.

Anyone can write or say nonsense so instead of us making unsubstantiated claims, let you and I quote recognized historians that back our positions. Are you in for this?
Here are the very words of the first Century historian Flavius Josephus
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks.
Here is a link so you can educate yourself on the works of Josephus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

MindHacker9009:
Why did a Nigerian not establish another Ifa or Ogun religion during the European colonisation of Nigeria. Same thing with the Jews at that time the Romans were colonising the Jews at that time and part of the colonisation was to invent a gentle Jesus messiah to calm down the Jewish religious revolts against the Roman occupation with their pagan idol they placed in the Jewish Holly Temple in Jerusalem.

You reinvent history. You really should do some studying before coming out here to say these things.
The first Century Christians were hunted and killed by the Roman empire. The Romans continued to persecute Christians up to AD 313.
Just read a book and you will stop preaching these falsehoods.
Again, if Mohamed an Arab could invent Islam why do you think Jesus Christ a Jew can't be the author 9f Christianity?
Do some thinking bro

Paramount01:
Let all local govt follow suits

If all local governments do the same, that wouldn't feed one percent of Nigerians. Do the maths. That would be less than 50,000 acres of cultivated land. That is audio farming.

sonmvayina:
Who created Christianity that is my question...

It can't be Jesus, because he was a Jew all his life. (That's if he existed).

Again you are not making sense. Why is a Jew not capable of establishing another religion. Please explain.

sonmvayina:
You are quoting what Paul wrote...

So it is Paul that made the claim, so it is him that started Christianity?
Because Jesus was a Jew and lived his life a Jew and followed the Torah (though in some cases, he went fowl of the Torah. (That's if he existed) Just referencing the text....
Jesus never claim to start a new religion .

I am quoting from what Paul said about Jesus Christ.
So if I quote from the words of Peter, would you claim that Peter started Christianity?
You are not being logical here. You claim Jesus Christ was a Jew hence he couldn't be the author of our religion. But then you forgot that Paul was also a Jew. So you see, you are not making much sense here
You are wrong about the life Jesus Christ lived. Please read your Bible to understand the life Jesus Christ lived.
The laws Jesus Christ taught was beyond that of the Jews. Have you ever read Matthew chapters 5 to 7?
There is so much about the life of Christ that is beyond the laws of the Jews. Please read the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John to learn more..
Let me give you some examples.
Matthew 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5. 43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Hoelujohn:
This is what I expect from government instead of giving out 50k as empowerment. Mass food production. If every local government train 1000 youths in farming and produce land, in two years, we will be exporting food

50 acres cannot feed 2000 people for a year. This project is good for publicity but in reality, it's just a drop of water in an ocean.

sonmvayina:
I don't get it...


Tell me with proofs...

I just gave you a verse from the bible. What else do you want?

Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;

sonmvayina:
So who created Christianity?
Paul??

Who is the author and finisher of our faith?

DaddyCoool:
Bible says he was fully God implying fully God all the time. My take-away is that God doesn't necessarily have to know everything al the time

I can't remember the bible use the word fully God at all times. Please direct me to the passage.
From the 2 verses I presented, it's clear that Jesus Christ did not come to earth with his full glory and that after his resurrection, all power was given to him. But then, you are right, being God doesn't mean knowing everything at all times. Jesus Christ is prove of that.

Uptownerd:
Nope, it isn't. No need wasting time with someone who doesn't even see the absurdity in their line of thoughts.

So he killed His son, but can't kill Satan? He left Satan so that Satan could continue tempting you so that you will be strong?

Man that's a joke taken too far.

Then why comment at all. Spend your time and comments on those who think like you and agree with you.
You call my reply a joke because you have no intelligent reply.
You guys get irritated when others don't see things your way.
It's funny that the guys who claim to be on the side of logic are always afraid when faced with logic

Uptownerd:
😂🤣😂😁

You need to wake the fúck up asap.

It's easy to insult and to tell anyone that he is wrong but that's the lazy approach to discuss.

sonmvayina:
Yes I know, but

Who created Christianity?

This verse answers your question
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Romans 8:16-18

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.