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MaxInDHouse:
Who punished them?
For what reason were they punished?

There father punished them for disobedience just as I punish my 3 years old kid for disobedience.

MaxInDHouse:
You're making the author an idiot because the major reason why He inspired the writer is to warn others about the CONSEQUENCES of DISOBEDIENCE:
Don't be confused. The story of Adam and Eve teaches us of disobedience no doubt but we should not change the facts.
When I punish my kid, I am teaching him the consequences of disobedience. It doesn't mean he has the knowledge of good and evil.

[b]Now these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have come. 1Corinthians 10:11[/b]
Agreed but this doesn't say it wasn't literal.

So if you're saying they don't know what they did is BAD that means you're indirectly calling the author an idiot!

Again don't confuse yourself. They had no knowledge of good and evil does not mean the author is an idiot.
In fact, explain how it makes the author an idiot.

MaxInDHouse:
Oh you're so dumb!

Jesus cried along with others because his friend DIED.
Was Jesus bitter or happy?
Will God also be bitter or happy when His friends die?

So again if you want us to use guesswork, I would give you possible reasons why he cried.
I also gave you an example of me crying when someone I loved was traveling. I was not happy.
If you want us to assume reasons why Jesus Christ cried, just let me know because I have 2 possible reasons.

MaxInDHouse:
OK you're with the writer just that you can't answer questions from people who thinks the writer's statement is not literal shey?

Oga if you think the statement is not literal, it's on you to prove it, not me. I shouldn't prove your case for you.
Also please tell me if I have not answered any of your questions so I can address it.
I would be happy to address any question I forgot to address.

MaxInDHouse:
You should have known that you're an idiot to say adults warned not to do something did it anyway yet they don't know that what they did is BAD!

You really think the writer of Genesis was an idiot bah?
So it doesn't matter their age sir. If the adult in this case doesn't have the knowledge of Good and evil, oga your point would not stand.
Again, what makes one an adult?

Aemmyjah:
Gid pronounced death cos he loved them shey?
Yes ir No?

Just yes or No?

Boss, you have asked this question over 20 times.
Now again let me answer.
Does God love you?
Would you die one day?
Will you die because God stopped loving you?
Now you have your answer.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't have to do that i just want you to know that you're alone in that stupidity claiming Adam and Eve doesn't know what is BAD yet they were CURSED for doing what is BAD!

Oga we both know that no verse of scripture is on your side.
This is a doctrine made up by deceitful men with the intention to change the word of God. But if you were wise, you should have asked the idiots that taught you this nonsense to show you the relevant scriptural passages.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't have to do that i just want you to know that you're alone in that stupidity claiming Adam and Eve doesn't know what is BAD yet they were CURSED for doing what is BAD!

First, you are a kid to think this is a popularity contest.
Second I am not alone, I am with the writer of Genesis and that's enough for me.

MaxInDHouse:
Facts revealed that when people die those shedding tears knows the dead and it's a sign of BITTERNESS.
Do you want to deny that?

So? I remember shedding tears when someone I loved was traveling out of the country.
Just because men are scared of death doesn't make it evil

MaxInDHouse:
We said it's figurative not literal just as that man also said!

Which bible verse says it's figurative and not literal. All you needed to do is to point to your source in the bible.
You would have saved us 3 days of arguing if only you pointed to your source. Or is this guesswork again
Was the death of Jesus Christ also figurative?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is GUESSWORK!
So quote the Bible because all of us know that tears from people during such event means bitterness of the heart.
Please no GUESSWORK!

You are correct, it's guesswork because the bible never stated why he cried. So the idea that it was because death is evil is your opinion. I just presented you with other equally valid opinions but all are guesswork. So please let's go back to sticking to facts.

MaxInDHouse:
There you go, it says the lake of Fire was PREPARED for evildoers so what if the evildoers repented will they still go there?
That's the question after all Satan has not been thrown there so he still have the chance to REPENT nah!

If the wicked repent, then their torment is no longer eternal
Rev 14.11

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

MaxInDHouse:
This man must be suffering from JW syndrome because according to tctrills he's saying God lied!

The JW believe that God lied when he taught 5hat Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÓDO!

So from God's standpoint DEATH is not evil shey?
That's why you've always been arguing senselessly in your thread about knowing God and Jesus.
If Jesus is the image of the living God {Colossians 1:15} saying whoever has seen him has seen the father {John 14:9} and he cried bitterly due to the DEATH of his friend {John 11:35} despite having the power to raise him don't you know what that means?
Well it simply means God is sad when people die, yet you're saying it wasn't something evil that led Jesus to shed tears right?
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn!

So no single verse in the bible calls death evil. It's your personal opinion even though it's not biblical.
Why did Jesus Christ cry at the death of his friend? We don't honestly know.
But I can suggest some reasons
1. He mourned with the bereaved family.
2. He missed his friend.
The bible never said why so let's just say the idea that death is evil is your opinion.

Aemmyjah:
And you curse son shey?

Oh I get it, your problem is the word curse right?
From you questions, I see that your big concern is the punishment God placed upon Adam and Eve.
So I tried to explain to you that God's punishment is different from man's punishment.
I understand as a human, you look at death as the worst thing ever.
But to God, death is not special.
Everyone gets to die.
It's just a separation of the body and the spirit.
The body is buried and the spirit goes back to him.

MaxInDHouse:
Your three years old is a baby without any instruction on what he is going to do until you send him to school before he could discover himself but Adam already had an assignment which he will do throughout his lifetime.
So they're not the same one has been instructed on what he should do and what he shouldn't do while the other needs to grow into an adult before he can discover himself!

My 3 years old child has his assignment too. I instruct him all the time but like Adam he doesn't know wrong or right. Also, he is in school.

MaxInDHouse:
If it's about forgiveness God never said in that Bible book that Satan can't be forgiven nah.
Perhaps if Satan should repent and become a born again Christian later.

He did. By saying Satan's punishment is eternal, it means it would last forever. Meaning he will not be forgiven. This is basic English nah.

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels

MaxInDHouse:
Where is the verse that says God can't forgive Satan nah?

I asked you for where God said Satan can't be forgiven you're quoting Jesus who is talking about the curse Satan got in the beginning, was Adam not also cursed?

I just showed you the verse sir. God's says Satan's punishment is eternal. Simple English.
An eternal punishment is one that last forever.
If Satan is forgiven, it's no longer eternal.
So the verse I gave you should be ok right?

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the [b]eternal fire [/b]prepared for the devil and his angels

Aemmyjah:
But God punished them for doing an evil thing. Yes or No?

Oga do you realize you've basically asked the same question a million times but never mind I will be patient with you. We learn at different pace.
My child did a bad thing when he hit his friend.
Adam and Eve also disobeyed when they ate the fruit 🍓.
Do you understand it better now.
In punishing them we learn the consequences of disobedience.
Just like me son is beginning to learn the consequences of hitting others.

Aemmyjah:
God chastise Adam with Death?

You have a problem with God's methods?
I feel you have a concern. But it seems you don't know how to express it.
Why are you finding it hard to accept the word of God.
It's clear that Adam and Eve just like my 3 years child did not have the knowledge of good and evil.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny question!
Point to one verse where God said he can't forgive Satan and the fallen angels.

Foolish question we are not talking about Satan. But even at that, Let me show you the verse you requested for.
Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels

And before you start argument, simple English here, Eternal fire means his punishment has no end. Hence he would not be forgiven.

Now it's your turn, show me the one verse where it states that Adam's punishment is eternal.

Oga, I am here for you and your friends. No matter how many you are, I would address your concerns ok.

I am enjoying the way both of you are working hard though.

MaxInDHouse:
So your three years old is the same as Adam and Eve?
Perhaps your three years old baby is the same as Satan and rebellious angels.

How is my 3 years old son similar to Adam? They both did not have the knowledge of Good and evil. Do you have any bible passage to prove otherwise?

MaxInDHouse:
Back to your fruitless arguments!

If they don't know that what they did was BAD then why CURSE them?
Is CURSE a sign of friendship or enmity?

Surely what the Bible called the GOOD and BAD they later knew wasn't to be taken literally otherwise the whole thing made no sense!

That's why I told you that I punished my baby even though he has no knowledge of Good and evil.
Doesn't that answer your question?
I have already answered your guy please pay attention.

MaxInDHouse:
“Come, now, and let us set matters straight between us,” says Jehovah. “Though your sins are like scarlet, They will be made as white as snow; Though they are as red as crimson cloth, They will become like wool."

Here God is addressing IMPERFECT HUMANS who don't understand God's laws and are suffering different situations due to inherited sin that has brought a CURSE on the earth not Adam and Eve who had everything at their disposal yet chose to rebel against their Creator who speaks to them face to face like father and children.

So God was pleading with Adam's descendants who don't know the cause of their suffering!

Lol. Just one question.
Point to one verse where God said he can't forgive Adam and Eve because they are perfect as you say. If you can point to such a verse then you are correct but if you can't you are wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you even know the essence of learning?

Guy, people don't just come to keep ideas that's of no real benefits but to WORK OUT together what is beneficial for one and all. Isaiah 48:17-18
So you're not teaching neither are you learning rather you're just arguing fruitlessly.

The purpose of this thread is help followers know why God CURSED Adam and Eve and how to avoid their mistakes. So if you're of the opinion that they don't know the difference between GOOD and BAD then you're indirectly saying the book Bible makes no practical sense for you and i know that the only reason to punish someone is disobedience to rules and disobedience connotes knowledge of what is GOOD but choose to do the opposite.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn not just arguing fruitlessly and commending yourself in delusion!

If you are saying that they know good and evil you make the bible have no integrity. The bible clearly states that they did not know good and evil and it makes practical sense.

It makes sense that God started teaching them the consequences of sin even before they knew good and evil. That's what every good parent those. So yes, it makes practical sense.

MaxInDHouse:
When He created them: YES
After their rebellion: NO

Because when He created them He blessed them {Genesis 1:28} but after their rebellion He cursed them! Genesis 3:19

So the LOVE He had for them in the beginning is no more there after their rebellion!

Just one verse for you sir Isaiah 1.18
Even when you sin he still loves you.

Aemmyjah:
You instruct lies and nonsense
Shame on you
Comparing Adam to 3 year old son yet you can't curse him
Neither did you agree that the scripture you mentioned about love and chastening applied to Adam and Eve
Fake teacher, poor Bible student

2 things here I compared Adam to my 3 years old because both did not have knowledge of Good and evil.
About love and chastening, does God chastise you when you sin? Yes
Did God chastise Adam when he sined? Yes.
Oga please mention one thing I have taught you that is not supported by your Bible.
I am waiting but we both know you can't.

[quote author=Aemmyjah post=127442839]You are already a false teacher
Adam sold us into sin
It was not of my own doing
But God still loves me nonetheless
God does not hate anyone but he shows loyal love [b]only to his own friends
The wicked he will destroy[/b]
Another man blaming Adam for his sins.
So Satan lured Adam and he sined is that not the same way Satan lured everyone of us and we also sin. Please what did Adam do that you have not done. Unless you have never disobed God.

Did Adam and Eve do what is [b]bad? Yes
Was God's pronouncement on them cos he loves them? No, same way a judge pronouncing death on his own son not a sign of love
Poor illustrations... A man claiming to know Bible cannot show godly wisdom... He won't curse his own son or expel him from home but thinks he can fool others as he's fooling himself that God is loving with such punishment
[/b]
Yes Adam and Eve were disobedient just like you and I sometimes are.
Does God still love you when you disobey? Yes
Did God still love Adam and Eve when they sined? Yes
I believe you understand it now.

Aemmyjah:
Go and pronounce death on your son na cos you love him

Now you are forgetting what I already taught you.
God man's punishment is not the same as God's punishment.
God sent his son to die.
God stuck the children of Israel to death when they disobed but I don't kill my children for disobedience.
Please check the thread, I have already taught you this.

MaxInDHouse:
That is why you should keep quiet when those using God's word to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone {Isaiah 2:2-4} are discussing how to get the benefits of God's word {Isaiah 48:17-18} the Bible itself has told you the purpose for which God inspired men to write down these things among it's adherents they're to use what is written in the Bible for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. {2Timothy 3:16-17} once you see an ORGANIZED people applying what they got from the Bible to produce the nine qualities of God's Holy Spirit in their gathering whatever you're quoting can't make any sense against them! Galatians 5:22-23

So criticizing God's people and saying they're using GUESSWORK after seeing the way they're BENEFITING THEMSELVES with the use of God's word makes you sound stupid.

That's why this question is always getting on your nerves present a better performing group of worshipers practicing what you know? in the absence of a better performing group whatever you think is irrelevant. You can't say some people don't understand something yet they've making it work among themselves while you can't point to any other group using the same thing better than them!

I hope you have been following.
You boy here has asked as many questions as he can but each time we keep teaching him simple truths in the bible. We don't do guesswork. We don't go into falsehoods.
We just teach him and then he ask another question.
That's how it's done.
I hope you are also learning

Aemmyjah:
You too de misyan

No need for this, just keep asking the questions. Have I said anything that is against the scriptures? Have I said anything that the bible proves to be false?
My duty is to teach and instruct you and I would do it using the scriptures so keep calm and open your mind to learn.

Aemmyjah:
Sometimes, you need to allow the one claiming wise to see his folly
Now, he shifted goalposts across the stadium

I keep answering your questions but clearly you are not comfortable with the answers.
You like Adam would die sir. Don't you see it, everyone that God loves dies so why do you have a problem with that.
Or maybe I need to take it slowly for you to understand.
Let's start from this, do you think God loved Adam and Eve?