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MaxInDHouse:
There is no tangible reason to engage in religion if we can't cohabit peacefully {2Timothy 3:5} that's why Jesus commanded that his own disciples MUST LOVE their neighbours {Mark 12:31} LOVE their fellow believers {John 13:34-35} and LOVE those who hate us (enemies) Matthew 5:43-48

So in what way can we engage in such and still think of wars? The best form of worship from God:

The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world! James 1:27

Wars will create more orphans and widows so logically it makes no practical sense!

Oga what do you understand by separation of church and state?
Also. we both agreed that it was just for the children of Israel to war with Benjamin so you have no point.

MaxInDHouse:
Well it makes sense to those that believe Mark 12:29-31 and John 13:34-35

So if it doesn't make sense to you we can understand! John 10:20

To enlighten you further, I would create a post about all the religions against war and politics. You have a lot to learn. I would keep you updated.

MaxInDHouse:
Well it makes sense to those that believe Mark 12:29-31 and John 13:34-35

So if it doesn't make sense to you we can understand! John 10:20

Its a foolish question even to those who believe Mark 12:29-31 and John 13:34-35. You are not a child and you have some intelligence. You know the war in Ukraine is not a religious war so why are you blaming it on the Catholics?

saxywale2:
Still economics. My last post on this thread.

There is quantitative tightening under Biden while there was quantitative easing under Trump.
When you keep reducing interest rate (to enforce cheap credit) as we saw in the case of trump, the economy will continue to heat up and it becomes an employees market. Employers would offer higher wages to keep or hire people in a tight market, and this will eventually bring about Inflation. Inflation would bite much harder into those increased wages. People will feel poorer even with high wages than they were before the increase in wages. A correction is now taking place. Enjoy the ride if you are American.

Picture 1 and 2: sept 2019 before Covid
Picture 3: Flushing the economy with more money
Picture 4: Enormous amount of money pumped into the economy to create a "mirage" prosperity.

The only problem of the traditional black American communities in America is that the want government to give them everything. They are the laziest people I have ever met. They should learn from other blacks. Nigerian and Ghanian immigrants are on average wealthier and more educated than whites. They took advantage of the best system in the world.
Trump's policies brought wealth to all races in America

saxywale2:
Still economics. My last post on this thread.

There is quantitative tightening under Biden while there was quantitative easing under Trump.
When you keep reducing interest rate (to enforce cheap credit) as we saw in the case of trump, the economy will continue to heat up and it becomes an employees market. Employers would offer higher wages to keep or hire people in a tight market, and this will eventually bring about Inflation. Inflation would bite much harder into those increased wages. People will feel poorer even with high wages than they were before the increase in wages. A correction is now taking place. Enjoy the ride if you are American.

Picture 1 and 2: sept 2019 before Covid
Picture 3: Flushing the economy with more money
Picture 4: Enormous amount of money pumped into the economy to create a "mirage" prosperity.

Even the Biden government was not foolish enough to blame the present economic downtown on the low interest rate. Of course if they did it will show that they are truly very foolish. That said, you made another falls assertion that the economy under Trump was an employee market. In truth, it was an every body's market. Businesses were making some of their best earnings. In fact the democrats complained that businesses were not paying enough as wages.
Lastly in 4 years, Trump added 6.7 trillion to the national debt while in one year and 10 months Biden has added 4.8 trillion.
Remember under Trump there was a pandemic while under Biden there was a vaccine.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't be overly anxious yet try to assimilate.

Doctrines means teachings so if we are talking about the teachings of Christ which supposed to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign among his disciples they should be able to use Jesus' teachings to settle whatever differences they had instead of resorting to violence.
So do you think this people accepted Jesus as King?

Yes your question was stupid. The bible says God is love it also calls him Mighty in battle.
The war in Ukraine has nothing to do with religion.
You believe that if Catholics have the same doctrines then Russia would not invade Ukraine. How does that make sense.

Gnosis777:
I'm still searching for the answer to this question. Whenever I feel as if I have come close to figuring it out, the more I realize that I am still further from the truth.

The purpose of life is to become like God. We are help to overcome and become like our father in heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
So if truly they share the same doctrine please what exactly is causing the wars in the world today?

This is a foolish question. The wars in the world are not being fought over doctrine.
Let me give you an example.
Russian did not invade Ukraine because of a disagreement in their religious doctrines.
The second world war was not about Hitler's doctrines.
Please stop asking foolish questions.
You are not a kid.

saxywale2:
Still economics. My last post on this thread.

There is quantitative tightening under Biden while there was quantitative easing under Trump.
When you keep reducing interest rate (to enforce cheap credit) as we saw in the case of trump, the economy will continue to heat up and it becomes an employees market. Employers would offer higher wages to keep or hire people in a tight market, and this will eventually bring about Inflation. Inflation would bite much harder into those increased wages. People will feel poorer even with high wages than they were before the increase in wages. A correction is now taking place. Enjoy the ride if you are American.

Picture 1 and 2: sept 2019 before Covid
Picture 3: Flushing the economy with more money
Picture 4: Enormous amount of money pumped into the economy to create a "mirage" prosperity.

Let's begin with your graph national debt. It shows a uniform growth from Obama to Trump and then an accelerated growth only during the pandemic.
The great Biden has continued to accelerate the debt despite the many blacks in his government.

Your argument about the interest rate is faulty. Switzerland has negative interest rate yet they suffer from deflation not inflation.

Also interest rate was very low under Obama. The only reason rates are going high is to curb the inflation. Please google the interest rate under Obama.

Finally point, under Trump blacks were richer than under any so called black loving president in history.

saxywale2:
If only economics was that easy. Trump can only fool people that are unintelligent.

The unemployment rate had been falling for long before Trump took office, and their declines don't appear to have picked up speed. This implies that there's nothing specific that Trump did to change this rate.

These rates (all races inclusive) have been falling relatively steadily since around 2010, early in President Obama's tenure in the White House. The country was just coming out of a recession plus low interest rate environment - quantitative easing - fall in unemployment rate.

So clearly Trump's presidency was great for blacks as unemployment fell even much further than in the Obama times. You did not need blacks in the white house to make this happen.
Now let's look at another stat. A more important stat called real household income.

In Trump's 4 years, real household income rose by 6.8% despite the pandemic and the lockdowns. It rose from $66,657 to $71,186.

Under Biden, despite the vaccines, the ending of lockdowns, so many blacks in his government, and trillions added to the economy, families have gotten poorer. Real household income has fallen to $70,784.

To put this into perspective, the 16 years of Bush and Obama combined. Real household income rose from $66,248 to $66,657. Families saw much bigger gains under Trump. So my question is, do you need blacks in the Whitehouse or more money in your pocket? For me, I would take money in my pocket.

I would be happy to compare the economy under any of the so-called black-loving presidents to that of Trump.

MaxInDHouse:
Based on the highlighted do you know any group that truly share the same as in common to all members apart from Jehovah's Witnesses?

Note that the one and only reason why all of you are here talking about Jehovah's Witnesses is the common belief that this group has the only channel through which God speaks to humans: Governing Body.

So please enlighten me more on that, thanks!

Every other group shares the same doctrine to all their members.
You are like the boy that thinks his Father's farm is biggest without visiting other farms.
The Catholics for example share the same doctrine to all their members.
I advise you to study more about other groups.
There is no bliss in ignorance.

saxywale2:
It's a WAWU. They are all DEMOCRATS

Obama white house interns vs Trump white house interns below:

You guys always see race in everything. Under Trump, America had the lowest black unemployment in 50 years. Which is more important, a white house with blacks or jobs for blacks? Make your choice.

MaxInDHouse:
Why do you people have a form of godly devotion but abusing it's power? 2Timothy 3:5


Sharing the same BELIEFS means TRUSTING in the same line of thought so there's no way they can think of raising weapons against one another if they truly share the same beliefs!

Let me correct you and give you the true meaning of sharing beliefs not the JW translation of a simple English phrase.

First, Belief: Belief is a feeling of certainty that something exists, is true or is good.
Now a shared belief is simply a belief that is common to 2 or more people.
You need to cool it on the lies. No need to create new definitions for already defined words and phrases.

MaxInDHouse:
My God will bless you for the highlighted, JWs have the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

John 17:22

Catholics share the same beliefs
Christ Embassy members share the same beliefs. Again you are not making sense.

MaxInDHouse:
The injection is enough for now make i no give you overdose because that's what makes you keep dreaming about me as if nah me dey lead my ogas who taught me God's word.

For your information, i'm the least among JWs i'm just a learner among God's people but at least i know the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of Jesus' teachings as my ogas them taught me: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

What injection are you talking about.
We are all learners before God so again, you have no point.
Even the leaders of your group would make the same argument as you so it doesn't matter your rank, you all believe in the same thing.

MaxInDHouse:
So why must you support WAR against your fellowman nah?

Abeg nah only me dey read this guy's comments?

Sebi i told you we must not carry weapons to kill but you were arguing since, so in what way do you love the people you're intending to kill during WARS?

The same reason God supported war in heaven and war against the tribe of Benjamin and all other wars in the bible.
Remember we follow his example.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote Exodus 17:16 and see why Samuel must lead and pray for Israelites against Amalekites.

Don't worry other followers must have noticed why you're dodging that verse but continue let me infuse more injection into your veins after all you've been running away for so long while you need the injection!

Oga if I am dodging the verse, qoute it and me to shame. Clearly you are dodging the verse you mentioned because you know you would disgrace yourself if you qoute it.

MaxInDHouse:
Well according to God's only begotten Son it's a sin for imperfect human to hate his neighbour when God never issue the order!

It's a sin to hate anyone. God has never issued an order of hate.
We are obviously reading different bibles.
The only order from God is that we love all men just as he does.

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 26:52

Raise weapons to kill your enemies against Jesus' order my hand no dey there!

Tell that to Samuel.

MaxInDHouse:
Shame no fit let you quote Exodus 17:16 but now you run begin quote Jesus yet you're still nursing WAR against your enemies shey?

Jesus never said God loves everyone. WHY? Because God is perfect so as a perfect person He can determine who to LOVE and who to HATE {Romans 9:13} but as for imperfect humans we can only raise weapons against the people God orders us to kill not because they're our own enemies but because God is the one that gave the order. That's what happened in the Old Testament but in the New Testament Jesus (God's only begotten Son) warned us not to judge (kill) anyone again {Matthew 7:1-4} because we are imperfect so we must wait for the righteous judge which is Jesus Christ himself to come and destroy God's enemies.

Do you now understand?

You don't need perfection to determine who you love or who you hate. Everyone does that

MaxInDHouse:
YES! But how many were banned for shunning politics and wars in obedience to Jesus Christ?

Just so you know, you are not the only group against war and politics. There are religions older than your that preach the same. I respect your doctrine but it was never taught in the bible.
You have never qoute a verse where God indicated war was a sin.

MaxInDHouse:
Shame don dey catch you shey?

Ọmọ quote wetin dey your Bible for Exodus 17:16

Now you are fooling yourself. You mentioned the verse, qoute it. If your bible says a different thing from mine then I would qoute mine.
I am not going to qoute the verses you bring up for you. That isn't how it works.
Don't be lazy.
I have never demanded that you qoute the verses I mentioned. Show some respect.

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa you missed it again!

God bless all together as long as there's time for repentance {Matthew 5:43-48} but while His lasting love reigns with Obedient people who are humbly following the order of His son {John 3:16} DESTRUCTION awaits unbelievers! John 3:18

Again you are wrong. God loves everyone. The bible commanded us to love both friend and enemies like our father in heaven. Let me quote the verses for you.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

MaxInDHouse:
YES! But how many were banned for shunning politics and wars in obedience to Jesus Christ?

They were all ban for different reasons still you have no point.
Just so you know, there are many other sect that shun politics.
From Buddhist sects to shanto sects.

MaxInDHouse:
Just quote it out are you scared to quote your own version again? let everyone see what is there nah. Leave the rest for everyone to use their God's given brains!

You are the one who brought up the verse. You should quote it. It's your bible that says a different thing so let's hear your version.

MaxInDHouse:
God love the world of OBEDIENT mankind but as for unbelievers God's wrath is always on their heads! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Wrong
God loves both the rightous and sinners.
Matthew 5:44-48.

MaxInDHouse:
Vladimir Putin banned Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia because we were preaching LOVE for our Christian brothers throughout the world so how do you expect a JW to carry weapons against another JW after we've praised our God together at our conventions?

Ọmọ Satan don blind you pátápátá that's why all the teachings of Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} makes no sense to you! 2 Corinthians 4:4

Many countries have ban different religions you have no point.

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote whatever is found in your own version since you don't know that God's enemies are Israelite's enemies!

In my verse it did not say hate your enemies oga.

MaxInDHouse:
Exodus 17:16

When the bible teaches you that God is love you think he only discovered love in the new testament times?
When the bible tells you that God loved the world you think his love began in the time of Christ.
God loved the world yet he destroyed it in a flood.

MaxInDHouse:
Exodus 17:16

According to the JW bible Exodus 17:16 says hate your enemies. Sorry the rest of us don't use your version of bible.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=118241347]Exodus 17:16

And God said hate your enemies? You are using a different bible from mine.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you using God's word or you're telling us what God's word supposed to say?

Jesus was clear enough:

You have heard that you must hate your enemies (so as to kill them) buy i am telling you now that you must love your enemies!

Ọmọ bow to divine WISDOM from God's only begotten Son otherwise your destruction is on the way! Luke 19:27

Wait do JW believe that God commanded Israel to hate their enemies?