FxMasterz: The knowledge itself is not a sin. It is the choice that leads to wrong actions that's a sin. And then sin begets evil.
My question is, without that decision, Man would not have known good nor evil, so the ability to choose good over evil would have been impossible. Since you believe that man needs the ability to choose, infact you called the ability to choose what makes life meaningful and worth living, then you must agree that the ability to choose good over evil comes from the knowledge of good and evil. Without eating the fruit, man would not have that knowledge and ability.
FxMasterz: Oh, I now understand you. The existence of evil is not what makes life meaningful and worth living. Instead, the ability to make a choice, whether to do evil or to do good is what makes life worth living and meaningful.
But then there must be evil and the knowledge of good and evil if we must have the ability to choose. So the event that gave man the knowledge and ability to choose, was it a bad thing?
FxMasterz: You're mixing things up. Please read what you said again.
Loyalty is tested on whether they'll eat the fruit or not.
Sir you said This is why evil exists. There's evil because we're not zombies. We can choose an action and the opposite of the action as we please. And that's what makes life meaningful and worth living.
From this, we see that you allude that the existence of evil makes life meaningful and worth living.
Now evil came into the world when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, hence my question
Emahope: Have you ever felt a quiet tension in your faith? Not a doubt about God, but a confusion about His family. That moment when someone asks, “What kind of church do you go to?” and you hesitate, knowing that your answer might come with a label, a set of assumptions, maybe even a wall. If you’ve ever looked at the beautiful, complicated tapestry of Christianity with its hundreds of denominations, traditions, and styles and wondered, “Where is Jesus in all of this?”… then this message is for you. So often, our journey begins not with Christ alone, but with a version of Christ, wrapped in a specific culture, practice, and theology. We become Presbyterian, or Pentecostal, or Catholic, or Non-Denominational. And these communities become our home—they give us family, structure, and language for our faith. But sometimes, without us even noticing, the label can become louder than the name it’s supposed to represent. We can become defenders of a tradition more than disciples of a Person. We can know the nuances of our denomination’s stance better than the heart of our Savior. What if the most radical, unifying choice we can make isn’t about finding the perfect denomination… but about deliberately, faithfully choosing Jesus above them all? Choosing Jesus over denominations does not divide the church; it actually brings true unity. When Christ is at the center, believers from different backgrounds can worship together, serve together, and love one another deeply. Colossians chapter 3 verse 11 reminds us that in Christ there is no division, but “Christ is all, and is in all.” So today, choose Jesus. Choose His voice over human opinions. Choose His love over religious pride. Choose His truth over traditions that divide. Let your faith be defined not by a name on a building, but by a living relationship with Jesus christ. Because in the end, it is not about denominations. It is about Jesus and He alone is worthy to be followed. You can watch the video on YouTube with this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFpVkkxUbKg?si=oqVC16eABIrlWLSu
Nice one but I hope you know that this isn't practical unless you don't attach yourself to any church and all you do is worship from home and decide the doctrines of Christ for yourself
FxMasterz: Understanding the Bible's Core Message from Genesis to Revelation
The Bible has an answer for all the questions we ask about life and about the world. I will like to make the Bible plain to you in a simple summary.
The Beginning of Evil
God is a God of Relationship. He likes relating with His creations. Infact, He created man for two reasons: 1. Punishment for Satan. 2. Relationship.
God created man majorly because He wanted to relate with Him. That man cannot be a zombie or a robot. There's no true relationship with a robot. Hence man must be able to choose his actions and be responsible for them. This is where love and loyalty will be defined. What is a relationship without love and loyalty?
For love to exist, there must be a choice to hate. And for loyalty to exist, there must be a choice to rebel. You cannot know if someone loves you if that person has no alternative. You cannot know if someone hates you if that person never sees an opportunity to rebel.
The ability to hate and a decision to love is what makes relationship sweet. The whole world is founded on this principle down to the last family that just formed.
This is why evil exists. There's evil because we're not zombies. We can choose an action and the opposite of the action as we please. And that's what makes life meaningful and worth living.
The First Evil God didn't create evil directly. Evil is a by-product of sin. To release evil, someone somewhere must sin. Someone somewhere must choose an action that gratifies himself/herself. He must choose to hate instead of loving. Rebel instead of being loyal.
The First Sinner Satan was the first to choose an action that gratifies self. An action that destabilized the relationship between him and God. He rebelled.
This is what makes Satan the source of all manifest evil. He was in the world before man. And as I earlier said, man was created as an instrument of judgement for Satan. This is the reason why Satan hates man with fervent hatred. (Please read Genesis 1:26 to understand that Satan is symbolically called the serpent-creeping thing). God deliberately gave man (dust) Dominion over Satan (the creeping thing) in order to humiliate him for his rebellion.
How it all Started Satan was in heaven with God. Called Lucifer, he was a specially created being, and one of the highest ranking archangels in heaven. He was so delicately created - a masterpiece of God's creative expertise. His frame made him proud and arrogant. He began to nurse the thoughts of be becoming a king. He then schemed against God and was cast down here to the earth from heaven. Then the "...the earth became without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep." (Genesis 1). God then decided to restore the earth. He then created virtually all things including animals in preparation for the man He wanted to create. This man will be a punishment for Satan and a being God would relate with, coming down to interact with him at the cool of every day.
In short, God's purpose for restoring the earth after it was disfigured was to create man from dust, and make that dust rule Satan in eternal humiliation,with God relating with that man like a friend. So, God created man and made him the Sovereign on the same earth where Satan dwelt. Satan couldn't stand the humiliation, so he schemed to snatch the Sovereignty away from man. He tempted Even to choose an opposite action.. He attempted to make her disloyal. Satan succeeds. Man lost his dignity. The Glory of God that covered him disappeared, and he became naked. Satan quickly sized the opportunity of man's weakened state and became the god of this world.
God didn't interfere because man as sovereign had the final say on whatever he does in the world. The earth was man's absolute control (Psalm 115:16). If man has decided to exchange positions with Satan, then, so be it.
Did God know that man would fail? Yes, God knew but He still created man anyway because Satan must be punished, and God must have a friend. However, God devised a solution to man's failure ever before man was created - "The lamb slain from the foundation of the world (ever before man or anything was created in the world) for the restoration of man." Revelation 13:8.
As a result of man's fall, Satan reigned from a position of authority over the world, and began to multiply evils through sins as he pleased.
In short, God knew evil will come because man would fail, but nonetheless, God's purpose for man as His medium of punishment for Satan must be fulfilled. The gains, including God's potential for having a friend far outweighs the losses. However as I said earlier, God also had a rescue plan for man to restore him to his initial position of Sovereignty after giving Satan enough time to repent.
Why will God Punish Man for Sins He Knew He'll Commit Even Before Creating Him?
God is not punishing man for any evil. This is a misunderstanding brought by religion. Instead, God is punishing Satan for his evils. Man would be exonerated if he comes into God's provision for his exoneration and restoration. He'll was NEVER created for man. It was created for the devil and fallen angels who have vowed never to reconcile with God (Matthew 25:41).
However, God wants to cleanse the earth and restore it. He'll remove Satan and stop all evils. The earth would then continue eternally as was originally planned - evil free. However, man needs to be cleansed so that the evils of that old world would not be carried over into the reordered world by human carriers.
So, cleansed humans who are of no threat to the new world would pass over into the new and refurbished world where Satan is completely absent. God has devised a new form of punishment for him - everlasting fire (Mathew 25:41). In the absence of Satan and human carriers of evil, Good and righteousness continue forever in the new world. No one to deceive anybody to choose wrong actions. Man continues to reign with the guidance of Jesus, the man-God who abolishes evil by guiding man to choose righteousness forever.
God is not punishing man for any evil in the world, otherwise, God loves man so much, He doesn't want him punished. That's why He put Himself in the position of the man to redeem his sovereignty which Satan stole by subtlety. Since only must redeem himself. No one can do it for him but man was weak. He couldn't help himself. He was doomed forever to be oppressed by Satan in his own world. God couldn't bear to see man in that condition forever. He had to clothes Himself as man, and come to the world to do for man what man could not do for himself. Jesus came and redeemed man's sovereignty. After accomplishing that task, He left the world to give opportunity for men to cleanse themselves from evil in order to be able to inhabit the world once refurbished.
Because, in that new world "Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.." (Revelation 21:27). Those who purge themselves of evil by taking advantage of God's provision for their purging immediately have their names written in the Book of Life as citizens of the refurbished world that is coming.
Men who reject the cleansing are considered a threat to the new world God is establishing, and must therefore be ridded out by quarantining them in the same place where all evils are quarantined. The innate evil in a man must be purged out so he would not carry evil into that 'eviless' world.
If you understand this plan of God, you'll begin to see the reason why many religions missed it, and why there's so much evil in the world. Satan hates man so much be a man was actual created for his humiliation. You'll also understand why Satan has to deny that Jesus died. Jesus's death is for man's cleansing which is a huge threat to Satan. It was the very price Jesus paid to redeem man from Satan. Satan has to deny it because that's the only way he can stop men from being cleansed or liberated from his grip..
God intentionally created the world. The world would continue as planned but Satan must be out and all evils, men must be cleansed. Then, righteousness reigns forever and ever.
Deepsight
Not a bad write-up, but you wrote the below.
This is why evil exists. There's evil because we're not zombies. We can choose an action and the opposite of the action as we please. And that's what makes life meaningful and worth living.
From what you wrote, it seems there is a righteous purpose to evil. We need to be exposed to evil so we can make righteous choices.
So are you also suggesting that eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and was a good thing? Without it, we wouldn't have been exposed to the forces and temptations of evil in their fullness
Truthseeker10: Funny man...if you were not using your limited human logic, you would not have used a false analogy. Bring a perfect analogy or I block you now.
You don't need an analogy, just believe your bible and you will be fine. I remember when you were asking questions hoping to lay a trap. How is that going?
Thats because you are using your limited human logic instead of accepting the word of God. Jesus Christ has all power, and He is subject to the Father. I believe the bible. You believe in your logic
Truthseeker10: false logical reasoning. There is no where the bible teaches that Jesus is an Almighty God that is subject to Another Almighty God. Your interpretation is false and defies logic. Good night
You just read that He has all power, or is that verse not in your bible? And yes, even if you are almighty, you should subject yourself to your Father. Just believe the bible and you will be fine. Stop applying your limited human logic.
Truthseeker10: Oga an Almighty God can never be subjective to another almighty God . So just rest.
Your opinion, the bible says the opposite. When your kids are richer and stronger than you, will they still be subject to you or not? The bible says He is almighty and still subject to the Father, why can't you believe the 2? Why should we believe you and not the Word of God?
Truthseeker10: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣baba good night abeg......An Almighty God is subject to another Almighty God. Bye bye....I'm done...na blocking remain for you...
I was waiting for you got you moment. You kept asking questions only to end here. Unlike you, I don't need one verse to be false for the other to be true. I believe both verses of the bible. I believe Jesus Christ is almighty and at the same time subject to the Father. You need the verse in Matthew 28 to be false for your belief to be true.
Truthseeker10: Lol....so the John 13:3 did not include heaven and earth? Na wa oo.
Oya explain 1 Corinthians 15:28.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Please who is the one that subjected all things to Jesus? Is Jesus equal to that person or he is subjected to the person?
Below is a commentary screenshot from bible hub. Do you agree with it?
So you are talking about 2 different things here, and both are 100% true. Does Jesus have all power? Yes He does. Is He subject to the Father? Yes He is. Please ask a clear question. Hope you are not forgetting the definition of Almighty. Almighty means having all power; it has nothing to do with being subject or not. Go back to your definition.
Truthseeker10: Lol....so the John 13:3 did not include heaven and earth? Na wa oo.
Oya explain 1 Corinthians 15:28.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Please who is the one that subjected all things to Jesus? Is Jesus equal to that person or he is subjected to the person?
Below is a commentary screenshot from bible hub. Do you agree with it?
One verse at a time, do you agree that you have answered your own question?
Now, 1 Corinthians 15:28 has nothing to do with having all power or being all-mighty. Like every Good Son, the all-powerful Christ will remain humble and subject to His father. It doesn't mean His Father will take away His power. Did I ever tell you that the Son will no longer be subject to the Father?
Let me give you an example, as a man, you are now a grown-up like your dad, you might even be stronger and richer than him, but if you are a good child, you will still be subject to him.
Truthseeker10: oga "all power" can be subjective. You are interpretating it to mean "Almighty God". If your interpretation is correct, explain John 14:28.
If your assertion that Jesus became Almighty after death, explain John 13:3. If you can't explain, let us go and sleep.
You have just answered your question. You are 200% correct all powers can be subjective. The all things mentioned in John 13.3 is clearly subjective. I am sure you agree.
Now if Christ had said, I have all power, that could be highly subjective but He completed the statement so we are not in doubt. All powers in heaven and earth. Now, it is no longer subjective as the John 13.3 verse.
Truthseeker10: Oga if he has all power which makes him the Almighty, explain John 14:28.
I promise I will, its not as hard as you think but I need to know if you believe when the scriptures tell you that He has all power. I am not asking for much nah
Truthseeker10: Funny man....he has all power in John 13:3 that makes him Almighty God, but the father Is greater than him in John 14:28. How does that make sense to you?
So you are saying He doesn't Have all power as the scriptures say right? And somehow this is how you exposed me?
Truthseeker10: Lol...look at this man oo....your questions makes me uncomfortable but my own makes you comfortable? So why have you not answered them na?
After my questions have exposed your false teachings, this is what you resort to?
Was that not how you claimed that one of your revelation was a mistake after arguing that it was correct? Baba go and sleep.
What have your questions exposed. I am sure you can't even explain what you think you exposed. Did you expose that Jesus Christ does not have all power? Even you don't know what you exposed
Truthseeker10: Oga answer my questions and let's continue the discussion....if I agreed with your teachings, you would have known by now. You claim your teachings are from the Bible. Are my questions not also from the Bible?
So kindly answer the questions below.
1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?
2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.
King James Bible Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?
If you agree to make me your teacher then I expect you to answer. But if the question makes you uncomfortable, no problem, good night
Truthseeker10: Lol...look at this man oo.....are you no longer our teacher here or has your revelations stopped? My questions are related to your teachings here. How can I agree with you when you've not clarified matters.
So kindly answer the questions below.
1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?
2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.
King James Bible Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?
Stop the games. I will keep teaching you but do the needful or stop wasting y time. Your choice
[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=138092795]My answer to your questions depends on your answer to mine. How can I agree with you when I am contradictory verses to your teachings. You have even swallowed up one of your teaching and called it a mistaken revelation.
So kindly answer the questions below.
1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?
2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.
King James Bible Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?[/quote Oga, this is a discussion not an interview. I have been answering your questions so i am entitled to feedback.
If your answer depends on mine that shows dishonesty and unseriousness
Truthseeker10: 1)Since you don't know trinity doctrine, look at the screenshot below. Do you agree with the concept there?
2)You claimed that Jesus became the Almighty God after he died, kindly explain John 13:3.
King James Bible Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?
Thls is a repeat of your last write-up. I told you that I will address your concerns but i asked you a few questions to make sure we are on the same page. Let me ask again.
Do we both agree that He has all power and authority? Do we both agree that He is almighty? The only challenge is when He became almighty right?
Truthseeker10: 1)Lol...look at this man.....so you're saying that you can be wrong now after arguing that you were right? OK oo.
2)Are you saying that you cannot explain John 13:3? King James Bible Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Does not the verse above say that Jesus knew that the father had given all things into his hands, are you now going to deny that Jesus was given all things before he died? Or does the context of John 13:3 say that Jesus died before the father gave all things to him?
3)Are you admitting that the Trinity doctrine is not in the bible? Are you also saying that Jesus was not always an Almighty God?
First, I don't know the Trinity doctrine, I only know what is revealed. Was Jesus Christ always almighty? No, baby Jesus needed the protection of Joseph so clearly, the little baby was not almighty.
Before we resolve your other concerns, lets make sure we are on the same page.
Do we both agree that He has all power and authority? Do we both agree that He is almighty? The only challenge is when He became almighty right?
seunmsg: The people in the party you support (the same people you’re ashamed to mention) are part of those that destroyed the country. They are now out for good and trying to come back. We won’t allow them.
They shall remain perpetually outside of power and the people who have been trying to fix the country’s in the last 2.5 years will be supported to continue till 2031.
Now you are repeating yourself. Human being like you are the problem of Nigeria
seunmsg: The people in the party you support (the same people you’re ashamed to mention) are part of those that destroyed the country. They are now out for good and trying to come back. We won’t allow them.
They shall remain perpetually outside of power and the people who have been trying to fix the country’s in the last 2.5 years will be supported to continue till 2031.
Now you have finally exposed yourself. You are only another tool of the corrupted system. The last 2.5 years have been the worst for the country. Your 2.5 years messiah has given the country worse outcomes than everyone before him since 1960. He is the worst of all unless we are talking about another country
Truthseeker10: na wa oo....after arguing tooth and nail that your revelation was correct? How do I even trust your other teachings of your Trinity doctrine now?
1)So if Jesus was not having all power before he died, explain John 13:3 below.
King James Bible Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
2)Are you saying that Jesus was not always an Almighty God? Is that what the Trinity doctrine teaches?
If you asking wether I am capable of being wrong in a discussion, the answer is yes. To your next question, l actually don't have an explanation in the context you are asking for but the Saviour's words in revelations should give you clarity.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
So its clear that it was only after He overcame that He was granted all authority. Are you getting it.
To your last question, the Trinity is not mentioned in the scriptures so I see no reason to defend what I don't know
Truthseeker10: I never denied the verse. Kindly answer the questions below relating to that verse.
Explain John 14:28.....if Jesus has complete power according to the verse above, How come the father is greater than him?
If Jesus has complete power according to the verse you quoted above, why is he not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?
Are you denying that you did not claim that the Father is the "leader of the Godhead" and that neither Jesus or the holy spirit are "leaders of the Godhead"?
Its not about my claims, its about what the scriptures teach. If I made such a claim and it is not based on revelation then sorry, I was wrong.
Now to your question, at the time Jesus Christ made the statement in John 14:28, He was not having all power. It was only after His resurrection that He declared He has all power. Do you understand it now?
Truthseeker10: yes I do....so Jesus has complete power and he is not the "leader of the Godhead" according to you?
Let it not be according to me, let it be according to your bible. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. I advise you not to argue with the bible but rather, you accept its teachings
Truthseeker10: Is a mighty God and an Almighty God equal?
Sorry, I am just noticing the screenshot, and I completely agree with this. So the question now is, according to the bible, does Jesus Christ have all power?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Entire Bible In One Minute by tctrills: 11:48am On Jan 12
