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This post is directed primarily to my friends, DeepSight, and Boomark. I am trying to get you guys to understand who Jesus Christ is and that, clearly, He is the Jehovah of the Old Testament.

Now, Boomark, remember you spoke about John 1.1 and said it shows 2 Gods, not one, right? Now, here is another verse that shows 2 Gods. But this is coming from the Old Testament.

Zechariah 2:8-9

For thus saith the Lord of hosts: After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

Now, from reading the Old Testament, you will learn that Jehovah is the Lord of Hosts. In the 2 verses above, the Lord of Hosts was sent to the nations by whom? Answer: The Lord of Hosts.
So we have 2 personages bearing the title of God. Jesus Christ was the Lord of Hosts to the children of Israel, just as His Father was. He was their Lord and God, yet He obeyed His Father.

Another passage
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
Here again, we see 2 personages. Here, Jehovah is speaking, telling Moses that He appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, using the name of someone else while His own name, Jehovah, was hidden from them.

He told them that He was using the name of God Almighty, but that was not His name, Jehovah, and His Father had different names, but Jehovah often came in the name of His Father.

Bookmark, remember you brought up Acts 3:13
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

Exodus 6:3 should help you understand that now. Jesus Christ (Jehovah) appeared to these men not in His name but in the name of His Father (God Almighty). So yes, you can see why the verse calls His Father, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors.

Now you will ask, are there other verses to show that Jesus Christ (Jehovah) could use the Father's name?
The answer is yes. Here are a few.

John 5:43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me

John 17:11–12 Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me

Philippians 2:9–11 God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name

Hebrews 1:4 Having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

DeepSight, my guy, you say that you have read the Bible 14 times, so let me ask, when you read the verses I quoted above, what came to your mind?

In Summary,
My goal is to explain that Jesus Christ is the Jehovah spoken of in the Old Testament, while still being different from God the Father. I am not saying there are two separate gods like in pagan beliefs. Instead, I am saying there are two divine persons who share God’s titles, power, and purpose, and this idea already appears in the Bible.

Some people say that verses like John 1:1 teach the idea of “two Gods,” but this idea did not begin in the New Testament. The Old Testament already includes verses where Jehovah speaks of being sent by Jehovah. This shows that more than one divine person can share the same title.

In Zechariah 2:8–9, the Lord of Hosts says that the Lord of Hosts has sent Him. In the Old Testament, Jehovah is known as the Lord of Hosts. This means the passage shows Jehovah being sent by Jehovah. This tells us there are two divine persons who both rightly carry the title “Lord of Hosts.” I understand the one who is sent to be Jesus Christ, and the one who sends Him to be His Father. This matches what the New Testament teaches, where the Father sends the Son.

Jesus Christ was the God of Israel—Jehovah—but He still obeyed His Father. This does not make Jesus less divine. It simply explains His role. The Bible shows that Jesus had God’s power and authority, but He followed the will of the Father who sent Him.

In Exodus 6:3, Jehovah tells Moses that He appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob using the name “God Almighty,” not His own name, Jehovah. This shows that Jehovah appeared using His Father’s name and authority. This teaches us that a divine person can act in another’s name without losing who He is.

This helps explain Acts 3:13, which speaks of “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” as the Father. Jesus Christ—Jehovah—appeared to those men, but He did so in the name of His Father, God Almighty. Because of this, the wording in Acts agrees with what is taught in Exodus.

Jesus Himself said that He came in His Father’s name (John 5:43). He also said the Father gave Him His name (John 17:11–12). Paul teaches that God gave Jesus the name above every name (Philippians 2:9–11), and Hebrews says Jesus inherited a greater name than the angels (Hebrews 1:4). These verses show that Jesus carries the Father’s divine name and authority, just as Jehovah did in the Old Testament.

When all of this is put together, the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, the God who worked with Israel, while also showing that He acted in the name, authority, and will of His Father. The difference between the Father and the Son does not deny who Jesus is. Instead, it helps us understand how God’s authority and identity are shown clearly and consistently in both the Old and New Testaments.

Boomark:
FxMasterz see this also

I can pick holes in your interpretations but you can't oppose mine. I don't do capital R and small r letter things. Capital G and small g things. You are at the mercy of authors who chose capital or small letters. Who is who from the bible is what matters. It is obvious that you don't even know who God the Father is, you ignore any where you see him in most of the scriptures you quote. This is caused by delusion.

The God of the Old Testament

Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

John 8:41-42, 54-55 NIV
[41] You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” [42] Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
[54] Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. [55] Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.

Yahweh (God the Father) is the God of the Israel(Jacob) and God of the old testament. Jesus Christ is his servant. Jesus told the Israelites that the One who they claim is their God is the one that sent his. Jesus said that he listens to the Father and obey him. There is nothing like capital and small letter nonsense here. This came from the mouth of the Israelites and from Christ himself.

You don't know this that is why you misinterpret scriptures because you don't know who is who.

Do you agree that God the Father is the God of the old testament?

The word

John 1:1 NIV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This place is talking about two Gods.

1. The word was with God. This is God the Father not the word himself. The word cannot be with himself.

2. The word was God. This is for Christ.

Moses was also a God (Exodus 7:1). How about the idol in Athens called the Unknown God (Act 17:23). Leave capital and small letters alone.

Saviour.

God the Father, the God of the old testament is the only savour. See how. We know that you can even call someone that came to your rescue your saviour(saving someone from a bad situation). But this is not where we are going to.

Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—


It is God that made Jesus Lord and a saviour. God is the only true saviour. Without him there is no salvation. Any he makes a saviour is a saviour. It comes from him alone. Someone who was equipped and sent to save a people cannot boast to be the only saviour. But the one who did the sending can say that without me, the people will not be saved. The will of God that Christ told you about is yl6 command from God to him to save the world. Jesus answers a saviour because his God made him so.

Focus on the source. Cherry picking of scriptures can cause delusion.

Do you agree that God the Father is the one who made Jesus a saviour?

Titles

Even Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings. Titles does make any one equal to God the Father.

John 17:7 NLT
[7] Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you,

Jesus received everything from God the Father which includes: life, authority, words, works, glory, judgment, and exaltation.

John 5:26 HCSB
[26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself.

Before the Father grant this life to Jesus, does Jesus have that life? No. He received it from his God.

It is obvious you don't even know God. He is the Father. The one and only true God.

Creation

It is God the Father that made all things alone by his spoken word. The word which was made flesh (Jesus) is God's spoken word.

Isaiah 44:24 HCSB
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;

Psalms 33:6 NKJV
[6] By the word of the Lord the 9ooheavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made à Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) made everything alone. He made all his stuff so we could get it things by his spoken word, by the breathe of his mouth. His word was made flesh and is called Jesus.

This is why the bible says that all things were made by or through Jesus (the word of the Lord). He is the spoken word of God.

This part is the reason why you misinterpret the scripture. Understand it.


Judgement

Judgement is the judgement of God the Father. See how.

Acts 17:31 HCSB
[31] because He has set a day when He is going to judge the world in righteousness by the Man He has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

John 5:22 NKJV
[22] For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

The Father has set a day in which he will judge the world. He will not do the judgement by himself but has raised Jesus from the dead, appointed him, and committed all judgement to him. God will judge the world using Jesus Christ.

You don't understand the scriptures you posted because you don't know the Father. The only true God Jesus told you about.

You cannot oppose these things that came from the source of life, titles, salvation, judgement, and all creation. Avoid cherry picking. Make sure you know the Father, the one God over all and you will see things clearly.

I have already given you a lengthy reply above, but let me summarize your entire post above.

You claimed that Jesus Christ is not the Judge in the Old testament then below in the very next paragraphs, you provide scriptures that teach that Jesus Christ is the judge appointed by His Father.

Then you claimed that Jesus is not the creator spoken about in Isaiah 44:24
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;
Then just below that, you went on to quote John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made by Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. Showing that He is indeed the creator spoken about by Isaiah.

Then again, another claim, you said, He is not the Savior. You quoted Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, and there is no savior besides Me.
And just below that, you again proved He is the Savior sent by His Father, spoken of by Isaiah by quoting 3 verses that clearly state that Jesus Christ is the Savior
Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—
Every one of these vesrses call Jesus Christ the Savior. Hence, He must be the one Savior spoken about in Isaiah.

From the above, it's either that you just wanted to agree with me, or make a funny joke, or waste our time. All you have ended up doing is proving my point using scriptures in the Old Testament to find Christ in the New Testament. I am guessing that if your son asks you if Jesus Christ is his Savior, you will be saying no from now on.

Boomark:
FxMasterz see this also

I can pick holes in your interpretations but you can't oppose mine. I don't do capital R and small r letter things. Capital G and small g things. You are at the mercy of authors who chose capital or small letters. Who is who from the bible is what matters. It is obvious that you don't even know who God the Father is, you ignore any where you see him in most of the scriptures you quote. This is caused by delusion.

The God of the Old Testament

Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

John 8:41-42, 54-55 NIV
[41] You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” [42] Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
[54] Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. [55] Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.

Yahweh (God the Father) is the God of the Israel(Jacob) and God of the old testament. Jesus Christ is his servant. Jesus told the Israelites that the One who they claim is their God is the one that sent his. Jesus said that he listens to the Father and obey him. There is nothing like capital and small letter nonsense here. This came from the mouth of the Israelites and from Christ himself.

You don't know this that is why you misinterpret scriptures because you don't know who is who.

Do you agree that God the Father is the God of the old testament?

The word

John 1:1 NIV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This place is talking about two Gods.

1. The word was with God. This is God the Father not the word himself. The word cannot be with himself.

2. The word was God. This is for Christ.

Moses was also a God (Exodus 7:1). How about the idol in Athens called the Unknown God (Act 17:23). Leave capital and small letters alone.

Saviour.

God the Father, the God of the old testament is the only savour. See how. We know that you can even call someone that came to your rescue your saviour(saving someone from a bad situation). But this is not where we are going to.

Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—


It is God that made Jesus Lord and a saviour. God is the only true saviour. Without him there is no salvation. Any he makes a saviour is a saviour. It comes from him alone. Someone who was equipped and sent to save a people cannot boast to be the only saviour. But the one who did the sending can say that without me, the people will not be saved. The will of God that Christ told you about is yl6 command from God to him to save the world. Jesus answers a saviour because his God made him so.

Focus on the source. Cherry picking of scriptures can cause delusion.

Do you agree that God the Father is the one who made Jesus a saviour?

Titles

Even Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings. Titles does make any one equal to God the Father.

John 17:7 NLT
[7] Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you,

Jesus received everything from God the Father which includes: life, authority, words, works, glory, judgment, and exaltation.

John 5:26 HCSB
[26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself.

Before the Father grant this life to Jesus, does Jesus have that life? No. He received it from his God.

It is obvious you don't even know God. He is the Father. The one and only true God.

Creation

It is God the Father that made all things alone by his spoken word. The word which was made flesh (Jesus) is God's spoken word.

Isaiah 44:24 HCSB
[24] This is what the Lord, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb, says: I am Yahweh, who made everything; who stretched out the heavens by Myself; who alone spread out the earth;

Psalms 33:6 NKJV
[6] By the word of the Lord the 9ooheavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:3, 14 NKJV
[3] All things were made à Him, and witàhout Him nothing was made that was made. [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) made everything alone. He made all his stuff so we could get it things by his spoken word, by the breathe of his mouth. His word was made flesh and is called Jesus.

This is why the bible says that all things were made by or through Jesus (the word of the Lord). He is the spoken word of God.

This part is the reason why you misinterpret the scripture. Understand it.


Judgement

Judgement is the judgement of God the Father. See how.

Acts 17:31 HCSB
[31] because He has set a day when He is going to judge the world in righteousness by the Man He has appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

John 5:22 NKJV
[22] For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

The Father has set a day in which he will judge the world. He will not do the judgement by himself but has raised Jesus from the dead, appointed him, and committed all judgement to him. God will judge the world using Jesus Christ.

You don't understand the scriptures you posted because you don't know the Father. The only true God Jesus told you about.

You cannot oppose these things that came from the source of life, titles, salvation, judgement, and all creation. Avoid cherry picking. Make sure you know the Father, the one God over all and you will see things clearly.

You are confusing many things. I never said that 2 individuals were not mentioned in John 1.1, I only said that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old testament so most of the verses you quoted do not show in any way that He isn't the God of the Old Testament. Again, I never said He doesnt have a Father. Please, did you even read what I wrote?

Now lets dismantle some of the things you wrote. Let's begin with God being the Judge.
The Old Testament tells us that there is one Judge. Now you argue that He sets a day for Judgement, but that still doesn't make Him the Judge. If one man appoints the Judge and sets the day of Judgment, does that make him the judge? No.
The president can appoint a judge, but that doesn't make him the judge, so your argument is dead on arrival.

On creation, you only made my point.
It's the Old Testament verses you quoted tells you that Yahweh is the creator, and the verse you quoted from John tells you that all things were made by Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. Put the 2 together, Jesus Christ is Yahweh, that exactly is my point.

On titles,
Yes, you guy Nebuchadnezzar was called king of kings, but that title did not come from God, so it is not a relevant example. Jesus Christ was not given vain titles; every title He has, He earned. He is the Beginning and the end, not because He needs an extra title to praise Him, but because He is from everlasting to everlasting. SO comparing His titles to a dead king shows you are not trying to be serious.

On being the Saviou
You said,
God the Father, the God of the Old Testament, is the only saviour. Meaning that the apostles lied when they wrote
Luke 2:11 — “For unto you is born… a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”

Acts 5:31 — “God exalted Him… as Leader and Savior.”

Titus 2:13 — “Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Funny enough, all the verses you quoted from the New Testament said Jesus is the Saviour. Are you even reading what you are sending?
Let's read the verses you quoted to see who is called the Saviour
Acts 2:36 NIrV
[36] “So be sure of this, all you people of Israel. You nailed Jesus to the cross. But God has made him both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 5:31 LSB
[31] This One God exalted to His right hand as a Leader and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:23 NKJV
[23] From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus—
# verses from you that all teach Jesus Christ is the Saviour. The Yahweh in Isaiah 43:11 LSB
[11] “I, even I, am Yahweh, And there is no savior besides Me.

In the entire stuff you wrote, your only legitimate argument is here;
Acts 3:13 GNT
[13] The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.

I give this to you.
Now, let me answer
Let me take you to 2 verses in the Old Testament
Zechariah 2:8-9
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.

Here we seethe Lord of Hosts say He was sent by the Lord of Hosts. So yes, if Jesus Christ is the Lord of Hosts, His Father is also the Lord of Hosts.
If He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, then His father is the same. Does this make sense to you?
Now, Jesus Christ told us clearly who He is.
John 8:56–58

“Before Abraham was, I AM.” Jesus directly claims: identity with the God known to Abraham, the divine name of Exodus 3:14

Psalm 110:1

“The LORD said unto my Lord
Here, David makes it known that Jesus Christ is his Lord.

Have I addressed all your concerns? Please let me know if I omitted anything. We are here to serve you
You are welcome

DeepSight:
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The verses are clear. But just to pick on one example. He himself explained what he meant by "I and the Father are one" by going further to explain - just as you and I are one. Now, are you Jesus?

Here is his explanation of that oneness as he prayed it -

John 17:

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


Look at the bold. Are you the same person as your Christian brother? So obviously he was talking of unity, not being the same person.
Same oneness as described in marriage. That does not make you your wife, abi are you your wife?

Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.

But most of all your answer is riddled with the contradiction of saying that Jesus is not the same person as God and yet he is God. You cant untie that knot. It is an irredeemable contradiction.

I answered your concerns in my last post, but I just want to give you something extra to clear your doubts. We will look at some of the verses in your initial post to me and give very short but effective answers to them.
1 Timothy 2:5

“One God… one mediator… the man Christ Jesus”

My response:
Yes, Jesus is the Mediator, precisely because He stands between God the Father and humanity.

But mediation does not deny divinity.

Moses mediated but was not divine (Deut. 5:5)

Angels mediate but are not human (Gal. 3:19)

What makes Christ’s mediation unique is that He is both divine and human:

God from before the world (John 1:1)

Man through incarnation (John 1:14)

Calling Him “the man Christ Jesus” emphasizes His mortality, not the absence of deity.

John 14:28

“The Father is greater than I”

My response:

The Father is greater in authority, not nature.

The Bible itself distinguishes:

Authority order (1 Cor. 11:3)

Shared divine glory (John 17:5)

Jesus existed before the world and shared glory with the Father—something no created being can claim (Isaiah 42:.

1 Corinthians 11:3

“The head of Christ is God”

My response:
Headship ≠ inferiority of being.

Paul uses the same structure:

God to Christ

Christ to man

man to woman

Yet:

Man and woman are equal in worth (Gen. 1:27)

Christ is worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Christ is Creator (Col. 1:16)

Thus, hierarchy of role, not denial of divinity.

Ephesians 1:15–17

“The God of our Lord Jesus Christ”

My response:
This verse proves distinction, not denial of Christ’s godhood.

Even after resurrection:

Jesus still relates to the Father as His God

Yet He is simultaneously called God elsewhere (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8:


The Father is God over the Son

The Son is God to us

Both are biblical.

1 Peter 1:3

“The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”

My response:
The Bible consistently teaches:
The Father is God over Christ
Christ is Jehovah to Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)
This is functional subordination, not ontological denial.

Mark 10:18

“Why do you call Me good? None is good but God”

My response:
Jesus is not denying goodness; He is forcing the question:

If only God is good… and you call Me good… what does that imply?

This is the same rhetorical method Jesus uses in:

John 8:58 (“Before Abraham was, I AM”)

Matthew 22:45 (David calling the Messiah “Lord”)

The verse challenges the listener to recognize His divinity, not deny it.

1 Corinthians 15:28

“The Son will be subject… that God may be all in all”

My response:
This describes eternal order, not Christ’s loss of divinity.

Even after all is complete:

Christ reigns forever (Rev. 11:15)

Christ is worshiped forever (Rev. 5:13)

The Son eternally honors the Father’s supremacy

Without ceasing to be God

John 15:1–10

Vine and vinedresser imagery

My response:
This is relational symbolism, not ontology.

Elsewhere, Jesus also says:

He is the Light (John 8:12)

He is the Door (John 10:9)

He is the Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)

Metaphor explains relationship, not essence.

John 20:17

“My God and your God”

My response:
Yes—and just three verses later:

“My Lord and my God” (John 20:28)

The same chapter affirms:

Jesus has a God over Him

Jesus is God to Thomas

John 17:1–8

“The only true God… and Jesus Christ”

Response:

Jesus distinguishes Himself from the Father as a person, yet says:

He shared glory before the world existed (v.5)

He gives eternal life (v.2)

Isaiah 43:11 says only God gives salvation.

Therefore:
Either Jesus is God
Or Isaiah is wrong
The Bible chooses the first.

The Father is God

The Son is God

They are one in purpose, not one person

Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament:

Creator (John 1:3)

Rock of Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)

“I AM” (John 8:58)

Worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8:

Basicend:
I hope you guys can now see why Donald Trump is very arrogant and misbehaving.

Just check the location and scale of most of those assets in the US. Let's not talk about their military asset.

Invest in gold, it has the least worth volatility.

It's obvious China is coming. . With reference to the list. But It will take them at least 15 years from now to achieve the American feat.

15 years for China will be a miracle. If they ever catch up, the best I could give them is 50 years.

DeepSight:
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The verses are clear. But just to pick on one example. He himself explained what he meant by "I and the Father are one" by going further to explain - just as you and I are one. Now, are you Jesus?

Here is his explanation of that oneness as he prayed it -

John 17:

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.


Look at the bold. Are you the same person as your Christian brother? So obviously he was talking of unity, not being the same person.
Same oneness as described in marriage. That does not make you your wife, abi are you your wife?

Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.

But most of all your answer is riddled with the contradiction of saying that Jesus is not the same person as God and yet he is God. You cant untie that knot. It is an irredeemable contradiction.

So, Unity is a keyword here. In fact, Jesus Christ statment is complete unity. That is what makes Him and His Father one God.
Remember, I gave you an earthly example with Trump and Vance being one government.
You are right, complete unity is the Keyword. But let's understand that unity by exploring other verses
They both have shared glory
John 17:5
Glorify thou me… with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
They have Mutual indwelling (“in one another”)
John 14:10–11
I am in the Father, and the Father in me.
They have shared authority and divine functions
John 5:21–23
As the Father raiseth up the dead… even so the Son quickeneth whom he will…
that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
Equal honor = divine unity
They have a shared name
John 17:6
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me

Seeing the Son = seeing the Father
John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Knowing Christ is knowing God
1 John 2:23
He that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

And lastly, Paul taught
Colossians 2:9
In him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Now, you say, Nothing can force the idea that Jesus God to ever be biblical.
Let's look at Multiple verses that bibilical teach Jesus Christ is God.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Hebrews 1.8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
At least 3 verses in the bible directly call Jesus Christ God.
Would you agree that you are wrong? That's the honest thing to do.

blueAgent:
Well said.

Thanks Sir

DeepSight:
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I have addressed this many times on this forum and here are the verses I have repeatedly cited.

D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

I cant adress all your verses, but I will address just 3 or 4. I am sure the few answers I present will be useful to your other verses.

1. I Tim. 2:5 - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ
This verse is not saying that Jesus Christ is not God. Remember, Jesus Christ already told you that I and my Father are one.
John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Being one God with the Father doesn't mean they are the same person, but remember, They shear the same throne.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.[/b]
No doubt, Jesus Christ has a Father, but He and His Father are one God. The question is, how can two people be one God? But then, we first need to answer the question, What is God? How do we even define God using the bible? Is God the name of a person or an exalted state of being?
Remember the words in the scripture,
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
This means that even man can attain the state of Godhood.
Being one God with the Father is like saying Trump and Vance are one government. Is Trump greater than Vance? Yes. But would it be wrong to say that they make up one Government eventhough they are 2 complete and distinct individuals? I guess you are seeing the picture now.

I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God
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The explanation above also goes for this.

[b]D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”
[/b]
This is a good one, and maybe the last I will respond to.
Remember when Christ was on earth, He did not come with His glory. John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
In fact, we are told that He was made a little less than the angels, Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
So in that state, only the Father we befiting of such glory and honour.
But after His resurrection, Christ said. Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
He became almighty (Having all power). And all glory, honour, and praise was due to Him.

I believe these answer most of the points and explain the verses you quoted.

You must also note that Jesus Christ was God and Jehovah of the Old testament but the New Testament showed a different side of Him. It showed Him as the Son of God.
But don't be confused by this, the Son of a Lion can only be a Lion as the Son of God is God.

The Bible teaches one Godhead, not one person (John 17:3; John 10:30 understood as unity).
The Father and the Son are distinct beings, united in will, purpose, and glory (John 17:11, 22).
The Son is divine, pre-existent, creator, worshiped, and identified with Jehovah (YHWH) in the Old Testament (John 1:1–3; 1 Cor. 10:4; Heb. 1:10).

These premises allow both:

Jesus to be God, and

Jesus to be subordinate to the Father.

Subordination ≠ non-divinity.

The Father is God

The Son is God

They are one in purpose, not one person

Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament:

Creator (John 1:3)

Rock of Israel (1 Cor. 10:4)

“I AM” (John 8:58)

Worshiped (Matt. 14:33)

Called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:

The verses you listed do not deny Christ’s divinity.
They define His relationship to the Father.

do a little research. I would chose Forbes over any A.I .
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2026/01/24/its-not-just-soybeans-us-exports-of-cars-to-china-at-16-year-low/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjdt9mwk6mSAxUgU0EAHVIEA88QFnoECAcQAg&usg=AOvVaw0ScIBYA4ZGnizURh4HS_gx

Boss, are you confused here? The article above is talking only about 2 products and only the US export to China. Oga we are talking about the US total exports, not soybeans and cars exported to China.
This article below from Forbes will educate you better
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2025/12/31/2025-heres-exports-imports-that-flew-and-those-that-didnt/

You listed 2 wars and 4 conflicts , 6 ceasefires in total where is the 8 wars that have been stopped. Like I said the media repeats something long enough people start believing it .
Oga, this is still more than any human in the last 100 years. Again, DRC–Rwanda and Armenia–Azerbaijan were full-blown wars by any measure. I have been to the eastern DRC. The war there was one of the deadliest in Africa, and it was unending.

Go and ask your AI if violent crime has been steady declining since 2021 ? You trying to say crime rate just started going down when trump became president is absolutely wrong .
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/us/murder-rate-drop-report.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj38sbdlamSAxXDTkEAHZQlJpUQFnoECBMQAg&usg=AOvVaw2axZM34njUV37WaDauj6DP[/quote]
You are changing the topic, but let me educate you more. The crime rate dropped by a wopping 20% in 2025.Thats the biggest drop in a long time.
5 out of the FBI's top 10 most wanted were arrested.
So, while the dropping crime rate presided over by the Trump presidency, I will be a fool not to note the solid impact his administration has made.

Fenrir:
😂 the Christian god made jealousy a sin yet freely admits in the Bible that hes a jealousy god and will send you to hell if you worship a different god even putting it in his 10 commandments

Ok

Boomark:
No. You are deluded not to know that the John 1:1 you quoted is talking about two Gods.

John 1:1 NKJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1. The word with God (the is with another God, not himself)

2. The word was God. (This is for the word)

It is not everywhere you see the word "God" you think it is talking about one person. This how you misinterpret the scripture by dodging somethings and you think it is not delusion.

I told you to wait until I reply you. Your beliefs is even the worst.

So what exactly is your point here?
I never talked about the number of Gods, so why are you bringing it up?
Again, are you saying that you worship 2 Gods? Are you into polytheism?
And if you worship one God, who is the God you worship?

Tgini:
Your comment actually shows how powerful the media is , you repeat something so many times to peoples hearing at some point that start believing it .

Of the 35 cities whose homicide rates were in the analysis, all but eight had a lower murder rate in 2025 than before the pandemic, violent crime was already trending downwards since Biden administration so it not only a trump thing.

US Inflation and Trade deficit is low 2.7%because export value is low 37%. if the export value drops 37% it means the foreign consumer is paying 37% less for American goods which isn't a good thing the US has lost 37% of its exports . The US now has more(excess) of it's own goods to consume. It's basic economics the higher the supply the lower the price .

There has only been 6 ceasefire in trumps present tenure , only one was a war stopped ( Iran vs Israel) russia and Ukraine have broken their ceasefire and are back to throwing bombs at each other

Oga lets educate you, you are the one misinformed by the media.
So, I will not use the media; I will use unbiased AI to verify.

Based on preliminary data for 2025, violent crime in the United States reached its lowest rate in over 30 years.

The Downward Trend Since 1990
The early 1990s were the "peak" of violent crime in modern American history. Since then, there has been a dramatic decline, often referred to by sociologists as the "Great Crime Decline."
Why 2025 is a Landmark Year
While the official 2025 year-end report from the FBI usually takes a few months to be finalized, data from the FBI's Quarterly Uniform Crime Report and the Council on Criminal Justice show:

Homicides: By the end of 2025, homicide rates in many major cities (like New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago) dropped below their 2019 (pre-pandemic) levels.

Violent Crime Rate: The overall violent crime rate per 100,000 people in 2025 is estimated to be lower than at any point in the 1990s, 2000s, or 2010s.

The "Post-Pandemic" Correction: The spike that occurred during the COVID-19 pandemic has effectively been reversed in most categories of violent crime.

The Verdict: If your starting point is 1990, you are correct. You are living through one of the safest periods in the last three and a half decades.


Now lets talk exports
Again, you are wrong
In 2025, total US export values increased, continuing a growth trend that began in 2024. While final audited figures are typically refined throughout the first quarter of 2026, preliminary data shows that the US benefited from several key economic factors.

The 2025 Export Landscape
The total value of US exports for 2025 rose by approximately 3% to 4% compared to 2024. This growth was driven by three main sectors:

Energy Exports: The US remained a top global exporter of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) and crude oil. Increased demand from Europe and parts of Asia kept the value of these exports high.

Services: High-value service exports—including software, intellectual property, and financial services—saw a significant boost as global digital transformation continued.

Aerospace & Tech: A recovery in aircraft deliveries and continued demand for advanced semiconductors (AI chips) added billions to the export total.

Finally, let's talk Peace deals
Again, you fail

Here is the list
The Gaza-Israel Permanent Ceasefire & Reconstruction Deal
Iran–Israel War Ceasefire (June 24, 2025)
DRC–Rwanda Peace Agreement (June 27 / December 4, 2025)
Armenia–Azerbaijan Peace Accord (August 2025)
Cambodia–Thailand Ceasefire (October 26, 2025)
India–Pakistan Tensions (2025)

This is more than any human in recorded History

Let me know if you need more education.
You are welcome

Boomark:
Please bro I will reply you tomorrow. My battery is just 1% now.

I agree Jesus is a God.

I disagree that he is the God of the old testament.


Tomorrow I will show you proof and how things are scriptures.

Sir, I have some more to add.
Do you know that the goals of the Old and New Testaments are the same?
Paul taught in Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith
The law in the Old Testament was given to lead people to Christ, just like the New Testament.
The Old Testament testifies of Him.
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

judewrites:
President Trump may be impeached or disgraced out of office....

I strongly felt so yesterday.

You are right about one thing: the Dems will try to impeach him, but as always, he will remain in office.

brain54:
The pitiable thing is some Nigerians...


Sitting behind their phone screens and chanting Donald Trump's praise like a broken record because nothing he does can ever be wrong.


I wonder when those ones will ever get sense!

They are also wondering when people like you will get sense. In just one year, Trump has reduced violent crime in the US to its lowest since 1990. The US economy is growing at a faster rate than in the Biden economy. Inflation is less than Biden left it, but somehow, you want us to hate the man who ended 8 wars.

DeepSight:
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Several do. But I see what you are doing. You want it produced verbatim. Sorry I didn't use quotation marks so no deal. But too many verses make that abundantly clear.

You have your chance to show evidence. If you have nothing to show, we would not take you seriously.

DeepSight:
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Surely you know that there are even more explicit verses saying Jesus is not and cannot ever be God?

No verse said Jesus Christ is not and cannot ever be God; you just made that up.

Boomark:
Please bro I will reply you tomorrow. My battery is just 1% now.

I agree Jesus is a God.

I disagree that he is the God of the old testament.


Tomorrow I will show you proof and how things are scriptures.

So you disagree with your bible, are you deluded or not? Remember, we are going by your rules.
Let me give you one more,
In the Old Testament, we are told that God is the only rock of Israel, right?
Isaiah 44:8
“Is there a God besides Me? There is no other Rock; I know not one.
Now lets see who that God is,
In the New Testament, we learn that the Rock is Christ
1 Corinthians 10:4
And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ

Again, we are told that we should not worship any other God but the God of the Old Testament, right?
Now check this out,

Matthew 14:33

Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 28:9

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Matthew 28:17

And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Hebrews 1:6

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Revelation 5:12–14
Verse 12

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Verse 13

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Verse 14

And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Boomark:
Yes you acted delusional because it made you to refused to read and understand. The first scripture I posted gave reason for the delusion. I tried to correct you but the delusion was strong that you can't even see that the posts has nothing to do with anybody refusing to agree with me. This is your problem.

Alright.

You don't quote random verses from the bible and ask me to agree without understanding the context. Make whatever you want to present as a standard truth. I used about 3 or more scriptures to support my claim.

If I present something contradictory, then it means that your understanding of your verses is deluded.

Please go ahead lets start. And I hope you don't run away from questions because most deluded Trinitarians are like that.

So first, I understand and agree with all the verses you quoted, so even by your standard, I am not deluded.

So, according to our bible, Jesus Christ is God, and you will be deluded not to accept it.
Let's read the verses.
John 1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Hebrew 1. 8-9
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Now, who is the Savior?
In the Old Testament, we learn that God is the Only Savior.
Isaiah 43:11 — “I, even I, am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.”

Isaiah 45:21 — “There is no God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior.”

Hosea 13:4 — “You know no God but Me, and besides Me there is no savior.”

So we know that there is only one Savoir and He is God, right?

Now, in the New Testament, we know who God is in the Old Testament
Luke 2:11 — “For unto you is born… a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”

Acts 5:31 — “God exalted Him… as Leader and Savior.”

Titus 2:13 — “Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

In the Old Testament, we also know that God alone is the First and Last / Beginning and End. Only one person can be the first, right?
From the New Testament, we know who that God is.

Revelation 1:17–18 — “I am the First and the Last… I was dead, and behold I am alive.”

Revelation 22:13 — “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

Isaiah 41:4 — “I, the LORD, am the first, and with the last; I am He.”

Revelation 22:13 — “I am the Alpha and the Omega…”

Again, we have only one creator and He is God.
Isaiah 44:24 — “I, the LORD, made all things, stretching out the heavens alone.” He said He did it alone, no help.
From the New Testament, we learn that Jesus Christ is the same God who created the earth
John 1:3 — “All things were made through Him.”

Colossians 1:16 — “By Him all things were created.”


Again, we learn from the Old Testament that it will be God who will judge the earth. In the New Testament, we discovered who God is.
Genesis 18:25 — “Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Psalm 96:13 — “He comes to judge the earth.
John 5:22 — “The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son.

2 Timothy 4:1 — “Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead.
Do you agree with the bible that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament? The same God that the Old Testament says will judge the world, is the creator, is the only Savior, and is the first and the last?

If you don't agree with the Bible, then you are deluded.

Hope you noticed that I used multiple scriptures to back up my points, so you just have to accept them.

Boomark:
Go and ask the scriptures I posted their mission.

Don't you understand English? Don't you know what the word "if" means or are all these part of the delusion?

I invited you to test yourself with those scriptures and not for you to dodge them.

Ok, lets play your delusion Olympics game.
I am going to post verses from the bible and if you disagree with any of them you would agree that you are deluded. Do you agree to the rules? Do I proceed?
You are playing a foolish and aimless game but I want to oblige you, lets play the delusion game so you can learn.

And mind you, I did not oppose anything you wrote before you called me delusional?
You are clearly looking for a fight

Boomark:
Biko, didn't you see the scriptures I quoted? Didn't you see me referring to the things Christ said which you must agree with.

This your response is a very beautiful example of the delusion we are talking about.

Exactly, everyone is in delusion but you. You seem like someone who came out to pick a fight and not to discuss. Your only purpose is to shout delusion to anyone who disagrees with you. What is your mission? Why did you mention me and others? Are these the people you want to battle with? You can't go far like this.

Boomark:
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Your point is that everyone that disagrees with you is under delusion.
So what's your reason for mentioning all these people?
I guess you called us out to tell us that we are under delusion if we don't agree with you.
Ok, we get your message.
You have crowned yourself the delusion tester. Weldon

sonmvayina:
Nobody is asking me to give my life to them. or if I don't I will end up in hell.
None of their writing is based on faith. Only the authors of the gospels are talking about faith.

You seem super confused.
Your only issue with the bible writers is faith?
I gave you a list of non faith historian could you please explain how any of them is more authentic than the writers of the new testament or why you have to believe them and doubt the writers of the new testament?

And why do you have a problem with someone trying to save you from hell?

AntiChristian:
You are going against your Bible again! God is not human! Animals too talk among themselves. Those of attributes! God can have atrributes and those attributes are all on a higher level according to His majesty. God speaks but not as we do!

It's not only humans that can talk!

And saying God wept is belittling in Islam. I know the Bible qualifies God in many ways even some humans would find disgusting. I mean i don't think i can say you rose up from sleep like a warrior does when he is drunk!

Then the Lord rose up as though waking from sleep, like a warrior aroused from a drunken stupor. Psalm 78:65

God regrets and was heartbroken - So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart. Genesis 6:6

God repented - And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:14

God's foolishness - For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 1 Corinthians 1:25

Even if these have any symbolic meaning, they still belittle your Yahweh!

Actually, animals don't talk. Please do your research. Animals can communicate, but they don't talk.
I am not a muslim and I don't really care about Islam and what is belittling in Islam.
As I said, it doent matter if some humans would find it disgusting, we only depend on God for revelation, not Islam or your personal feelings

AntiChristian:
Of course, someone that qualifies himself as the highest can not be represent as the lowest!

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19

Na your Bible be this o! God is not human...that he should lie.....

But later your God became human!

You just made my point. We can only know God's characteristics through revelation.
So from revelation, we know that God does not lie.
It is not up to you to decide His other characteristics.
Now, your argument here is not really intelligent, and here is why. God is not Human but He can talk. Someone like you would argue that He shouldnt be able to speak because He isnt Human.
Just because God isn't human doesn't mean He doesn't have lots of shared emotions and characteristics with Humans. We are in His image and likeness, remember?

BodyCount:
What do you expect from evil terrorist people?

The problem of the world.

The cancer of the world.

Mossad terrorists are just so disgusting.

Ww2 ended badly, if not the world would have been save without this people.

Oga, your only problem is tinubu and your village people, but keep fighting Trump ok.

Namaster:
This is NOT AFCON.

IShowSpeed is Content Creator.

As for the people making it about ILLsrael and Gaza, it's just Religious FANATICS looking to justify the GENOCIDE being carried out by ILLsrael.

Muslims treated a Black Boy BADLY, so ALL Muslims are BAD and therefore it's all right to carry out a GENOCIDE against them.

Meanwhile, their BELOVED America has Police that'll SHOOT black people dead just for driving while being Black.

In the same America, people, including American Citizens, are being KIDNAPPED and thrown in CONCENTRATION CAMPS because of the colour of their skin.

NONE of them have a problem with that.

But the moment a few STEWPID Arabs hold up bananas to MOCK a Black Boy, they are all up in arms against ALL Muslims and Arabs.

MADNESS!

Oga, you are one of the people making this about Israel and Palestine.

Amayabor1:
See this clown. Lol. Do you even know what is happening around you? Or you buried your head on Nairaland. Someone that talks about "grabbing women by the p*ssy".

Anytime I see a black person like you supporting Trump, I just laugh 😃. Una too mumu

Watch this video.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQ61qlKiDq-/?igsh=aXphdWd6bDZwb3Fy

If you have a problem with a man who grabs his woman by the p*ssy, then you are a bitter person with nothing good going on in your life. I have no problem with someone making love, but people like you would enter someone else's bedroom to scrutinize what he does or doesn't do with his women.
Black men like you who think the entire black race should think like you are really not smart. Why should every black man like what you like and hate the things you hate? Do you even reason at all?
You want the entire black race to hate men who grab their women by the p*ssy.
Oga, some of us are smarter than that

Fiscus105:
Have checked what you yourself posted and seeing that growth rate declining? Even though the source of your data not known.

Meanwhile, let say is even positive, how as it impacted on citizens in real sense ? Just like the way Nigeria given out positive data but citizens keep on suffocating.

Below are the real impact on citizens and not mere data.

Oga, stop disgracing yourself. Check the inflation rate not the cost of cars.
The inflation rate is a cumulation of all goods and services not just cars.

You were sent to school for a reason.
Do your own research.

PulaPower:
Inflation is lower?
Fasting growing economy?

This is why I always prefer to read directly from Americans on TikTok. If I had not hear American speak, I for dey believe you..

You’re just telling lies to feel good within! Yankee is sinking!

Oga stop disgracing yourself. Why didn't you spend 5 mins to check the US inflation rate of the last 5 years before coming here to disgrace yourself.
Some of us deal on facts not emotions.

Amayabor1:
It is people like you who hold him in high esteem that are actually stupid. Trump is a convicted felon, a paedophile and a rapist. Imagine not been able to pass your message about other countries or other countries leaders without been insultive?

You boys are just so funny with your Trump hate. When we ask you for evidence that he is a paedophile and a rapist, you begin to bite your tongue. Meanwhile, Mandela, Kwame Nkrumah, Mahatma Gandhi, and the greatest Yoruba leader of all time, Obafemi Awolowo, are all convicted felons