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Janosky:
The Bible in it's entirety is inspired of God.
The particular aspects referenced of other books reference in the Bible are true & genuine, like the examples you gave.

However, others writings in conflict with the Bible, for instance, "the Acts of Paul and Thecla" have portions that are in direct conflict with the Bible.
God's spirit inspired 66 books, not others conflicting with the Bible irrespective of the names they bear.
These issues raise the red flag about their authenticity.

Brotherman you don't seen so keen on attempting my questions. I was really enjoying our conversation.

MaxInDHouse:
So the bone of contention here is whether they are INSPIRED or UNINSPIRED!

Well let's meditate on Paul's letters to Timothy once again.

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work! 2Timothy 3:16-17

The inspired scriptures are for:
©TEACHING
©REPROVING
©SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT
©DISCIPLINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. Verse 16

So that the man of God may be:
FULLY COMPETENT and COMPLETELY EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK! Verse 17

If a writer is inspired it doesn't mean that every time he talks or write something it's all about inspiration. The ones that are inspired will surely correlate with other inspired writings, that's why the other inspired writers do paraphrase or quote them.

For instance Muhammad (from Saudi Arabia) claimed that he was also inspired, he began quoting and paraphrasing inspired writings in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures but there's no link between him and the other writers.
He's not from the promised nation of Israel, he never lived at the same time with any prophet, his writings contradicts most of the inspired writings and he even condemned most of the earlier writings outrightly and his own writings came much later after the compilation of the 66 books.

So it's only the INSPIRED messages that were compiled for our use, others discarded has but also inspired has been either quoted or paraphrased in order that any other writings must be considered UNINSPIRED so that there won't be contradictions!

These your words really implicate you. You state that not all the words from inspired men are inspired from God and I agree. Peter was an inspired man of God yet Christ once called him a Devil. He and Paul also had their issues.
But then in chosen what was inspired and what was not, it was up to the Catholic Church and the final Authority of the Pope. God gives his holy assignments to his prophets and apostles not to the antichrist.
It is not in the nature of God to give holy things to the dogs. So it's either you are wrong about the Catholic Church being the antichrist or you are wrong about the 66 books being the only inspired books. Choose one.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why we study the entire Bible with meditation not just read one side and forget the other.
God used the nation of Israel but 70% of the nation are always against pure worship. Isaiah 1:4
How come we believe in the Hebrew scriptures written by people from the same race?
Well it's because there were few faithful ones living and worshiping whole souled in the midst of that faithless nation! Luke 11:29
So when pure worship went into slavery just as the Jews were taken to Babylon God didn't forget the faithful ones in their midst!

Now you're misquoting me!
I said "any verse not found in the 66 books IS NOT INSPIRED"
So the verses found in the scriptures could be found in any other book like the Quran but that doesn't mean the entire Qur'an is inspired of God!

I don't get your Hebrew analogy. Are you saying because God used the Hebrew, he couldn't produce more than 66 books?

And your analogy with the quran is also funny because the bible prophets never quoted from the quran. Imagine what would have happened if bible prophets openly quoted from the quran. So you points do not stand.

MaxInDHouse:
If this is how you put your words from the onset i won't object!
Know today that any documents not included either by quote or paraphrased in the Bible IS NOT INSPIRED OF GOD so we don't need it!

First I never said the bible is not complete and I don't know where you got that from. The Bible is a collection of 66 complete books. But it does not contain all God has ever spoken to man. It does not contain all the word of God.
Now you claim so documents are not ispired, buthe so far you have basically stating a personal opinion. It's not a scriptural opinion.

MaxInDHouse:
So the bone of contention here is whether they are INSPIRED or UNINSPIRED!

Well let's meditate on Paul's letters to Timothy once again.

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work! 2Timothy 3:16-17

The inspired scriptures are for:
©TEACHING
©REPROVING
©SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT
©DISCIPLINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. Verse 16

So that the man of God may be:
FULLY COMPETENT and COMPLETELY EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK! Verse 17

If a writer is inspired it doesn't mean that every time he talks or write something it's all about inspiration. The ones that are inspired will surely correlate with other inspired writings, that's why the other inspired writers do paraphrase or quote them.

For instance Muhammad (from Saudi Arabia) claimed that he was also inspired, he began quoting and paraphrasing inspired writings in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures but there's no link between him and the other writers.
He's not from the promised nation of Israel, he never lived at the same time with any prophet, his writings contradicts most of the inspired writings and he even condemned most of the earlier writings outrightly and his own writings came much later after the compilation of the 66 books.

So it's only the INSPIRED messages that were compiled for our use, others discarded has but also inspired has been either quoted or paraphrased in order that any other writings must be considered UNINSPIRED so that there won't be contradictions!

So your point is that 400 years after Christ the Catholic Church filtered out the uninspired word, paraphrased so inspired words and gave us the bible right?
And you insist they are your antichrist

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows your real intention so i will also like you to think about the motive behind your cohorts before forming alliance with them using a collective word like "WE ASKED" remember this is about you in person being interested in a topic not a collective effort of people making demands!

Please try to be specific with your opinion, if you believe that the Bible is not complete as Paul's letter urged us to solely rely on it for teaching, reproving, setting matters straight and disciplining in righteousness, then how do you think there can be oneness in thought among true believers as God's word foretold about the future of pure worship? Zephaniah 3:9; John 17:22; Romans 15: 5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Please meditate on what you're going to say now because angels are taking records of what we are discussing right now {Malachi 3:16} though we may be catching some fun but remember the reputation of the Author of that book (Bible) is involved!

The bible is very complete, 66 books. I never said it was not complete. Each book in the bible is a complete book. Romans is complete, Luke is complete, Job is complete.
I only said the bible is not the only inspired record and even the bible testifies to other records.

MaxInDHouse:
The Catholic Church is the AntiChrist that existed after the death of the first pioneers of Christianity so Idolatry crept into Christianity with that religion. But noteworthy is Jesus' parable of the sower who planted fine seeds and his enemy who later came to oversow weeds in the same field.

After the death of all the pioneers of Christianity pure worship went into spiritual slavery under the Catholic Church but there were faithful men during those dark ages, remember Jesus said to his faithful disciples "look i'm with you all the days until the conclusion of this system of things" {Matthew 28:20b} so Jesus keep monitoring the messages even though Satan is working hard to bring in confusion the faithful ones in that spiritual bondage were also there with the Catholic Church seeing to the compilation of God's word. That's how Jesus used God's Holy Spirit to preserve all the inspired writings.
The majority who were Satan's agents did all within their power to include their distorted view during the compilation but since Jesus knew that he is still coming to right the wrong he allowed them {Matthew 13:25-30} until the year 1914 when Jesus was enthroned in heaven, then he began revealing secrets that's been hidden for centuries so that the real inspired writings got Into the hands of his faithful and discreet slave group know today as the "Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses"
After that Jesus concentrated on his group and began correcting all the errors they made due to their former religious views.
All these you will find difficult to believe but that's the truth and reason why only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is achieving what no other group can achieve today.

So we now have the complete inspired writings as God's Holy Spirit worked with these imperfect men to make the best use of God's word: BIBLE!

A few things here, you claim the Catholic Church is of the devil yet Jesu's used the Pope to compile the bible.
You also claimed these books are uninspired yet they were some how paraphrased into the bible. Hmmmmm

[quote author=Janosky post=108621578]They were inspired and served a purpose.
Romans 15:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16.


/quote]
Your brother MaxInDHouse does not share your point of view. I told him that you said those books were inspired but he said I misquoted you. Please, am I miss quoting you or are these your words?

Janosky:
You claimed I'm stating personal opinion which is not acceptable to you.
Oga, go & investigate & form your own opinion..
Shalom.
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No, you said stuff againto some of the biggest organization's in history. It's up to you to prove what you said. I would not do your homework for you.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you missed it!

The books quoted by Bible writers has been paraphrased and written by the writers that's why they're quoting it.
For instance God inspired Isaiah and Micah to say exactly the same thing about what will happen to pure worship in the final part of the days:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If you check this two accounts you will notice that the words are exactly the same yet it's from two different writers. If Isaiah didn't have more information than that Micah will simply quote him as "written in the book of Isaiah" but because both of them still have more information than that prophecy the two accounts were included.
So if any book is quoted in the Bible and not included in the Bible it simply means the information thereof has been inculcated in the message and so it's no more needed as additional verses!

So my friend, the Bible is totally complete as the word of God NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

So let briefly discuss your new paraphrasing theory. So there was nothing called bible until about 400 years after Christ.
That was when the Lord decided to use the Pope and the Catholic Church to compile the bible right.
Now your point is that they paraphrased all other books so as to keep only 66?
Again you believe God commanded then to destroy these records and keep only 66?
When were these books paraphrased? Who paraphrased them? Was there any record of this or is it a friction of your imagination?

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you missed it!

The books quoted by Bible writers has been paraphrased and written by the writers that's why they're quoting it.
For instance God inspired Isaiah and Micah to say exactly the same thing about what will happen to pure worship in the final part of the days:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If you check this two accounts you will notice that the words are exactly the same yet it's from two different writers. If Isaiah didn't have more information than that Micah will simply quote him as "written in the book of Isaiah" but because both of them still have more information than that prophecy the two accounts were included.
So if any book is quoted in the Bible and not included in the Bible it simply means the information thereof has been inculcated in the message and so it's no more needed as additional verses!

So my friend, the Bible is totally complete as the word of God NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

We never asked if they are paraphrased or not. We asked your friend if they were inspired.
Now you think these other books are paraphrased that's your personal opinion or better a friction of your own imagination. Because no single verse in the entire bible expresses your paraphrasing theory. So it's clear you are adding your opinion to the bible or better still you just made it up. I have nothing against that though only that we can't just create history from our head. Show me where this your paraphrasing idea was written.
Again I state, it was never stated that the 66 books are a paraphrasing of all other books it is you personal opinion and you have zero evidence.
Its funny you keep adding your opinions and you just quoted Revelations 22:18-19
Also if those other books were paraphrased then who ever paraphrased them is guilty of subtraction from the word of God

Finally if they are uninspired, why then we're they paraphrased into the bible. Why Paraphrase uninspired words?
Please answer these questions if you can

MaxInDHouse:
Then it means you misunderstood him because no JW will ever agree with you that the 66 books upon which our faith is built is not the complete word of our God!

Perhaps you don't know what that means, so let me expatiate.

JWs believe that we are the one and only worshipers of our own God and everything we rely upon is just those 66 books, so if we now agree that there could be some other INSPIRED words of our God outside those 66 books then on what basis are we to claim we know our God fully and that no one else knows our God better than we do?

So it's about intelligence not just assumptions!

I did not misunderstand him and you don't need to explain on his behalf unless maybe he isn't an adult. He clearly said in his own words that those scriptures are inspired.
But then it was wrong of me to lump you together. Every man is entitled of his opinion even if you both represent the same church.
You said clearly these other books are uninspired and Janosky said they are inspired.

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa he never agreed with you so don't even think so. No JW will agree with you that any book outside the Bible is inspired and benefitial for teaching!

Infact me and your brother seemed to agree a lot more then when I discuss with you ..

MaxInDHouse:
Entreat?
Well we are catching some fun, remember!
So relax, whatever i say is from what i believe and whatever you say is what you believe.
What we shouldn't do is insult or abuse each other just tell me what you believe and i'll tell you what i believe, then we can continue catching fun!

Great. That's what I thought

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa he never agreed with you so don't even think so. No JW will agree with you that any book outside the Bible is inspired and benefitial for teaching!

I have just sent you his very quote. Maybe you all don't agree but it's your problem not mine. Hold a meeting among yourselves and decide on a point

MaxInDHouse:
FAITHLESS JEWS killed Jesus while FAITHFUL JEWS recorded the events as we are reading it today. And as for the insults please quote and post it here for everyone to see!
What you don't know is that you're dealing with a trained disciple of the wisest teacher who ever lived!
So tell everyone what is racist in that instead of trying to accuse me after finding no fault with me!

I guess Janosky is your member. This is his comments relating to the lost books I showed you.
They were inspired and served a purpose.
Romans 15:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16.[color=#000099][/color]
I really enjoy you. It takes only 2 sentences for you to boast. You remind me of an old friend. Let's not continue our personal wahala here ok.

achorladey:
How I go take do am when he is running away from me now.

If I show for him house now now now to help you beg Baba MaxInDHouse go chase me comot

Maybe you go write to the Governing body aka Guardian of our Doctrines = GOD. I believe dem go listen to your plea and help you beg am.

My guy is hard to entreat. I would ask some of his members to talk to him

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, how i wish you know the weight of the highlighted!

Well let me enlighten you!

You can't hurt a true Christian by killing him physically because his soul (character) has been saved in God's memory book {Matthew 10:28 compare to Revelations 20:15} but when you condemned the book upon which his faith is built, then you're out to hurt him both spiritually, emotionally and mentally {Ephesians 6:12,17} just as Satan destroyed Adam and Eve spiritually leading them to sin and eternal damnation! Genesis 3:4-5, 16-19

So you saying the Bible is incomplete word of God is a deadly missile from someone living inside you!

Every word of God is complete. There is nothing like incomplete word of God. I only gave you other books that contain the word of God.. many of them quoted by bible prophets.
If you are following the thread, one of your members already agreed they are inspired words of God. You seem to be the one left behind.

achorladey:
Reality tells me MaxInDHouse coming to your business thread get motive. I will not go beyond that or I rest my case on that.

I don tell you, he must save his face and image.

He believes I am trying to hurt him somehow. Please judge how have I been unfair to him.
This is the same man that used racist comments on a thread and when I tried to advise him, he washed me with insults. I did not care. I forgave because I was broght up like that.
Abeg tell him to forgive me if I offended him.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ, next time you come in contact with a JW try to meditate thoroughly before saying anything.
WHY?
Because there's no weapon formed against our faith that can have any success, any tongue that rises against us we will silence, that is our HERITAGE and as for our righteousness don't bother it's from our own God JEHOVAH! Isaiah 54:17

Learn from the way i outsmarted you knowing fully well that you came to support the critics and form alliance with them against God's people. But i pretended as if i don't know your mission until i pushed you to a corner where you lost it and condemned God's word instead of condemning God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses)

So according to you now all what your friends have been saying against Jehovah's Witnesses is meaningless because even God's word upon which everyone on this thread wants to build their arguments is NOT COMPLETE!

That's what smartness means and what it means to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Nna, let's not make this about you or I. We would always settle. Let's allow others make their points ok.
I still repeat I never attempted to hurt you. Fear not. Ok

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ, next time you come in contact with a JW try to meditate thoroughly before saying anything.
WHY?
Because there's no weapon formed against our faith that can have any success, any tongue that rises against us we will silence, that is our HERITAGE and as for our righteousness don't bother it's from our own God JEHOVAH! Isaiah 54:17

Learn from the way i outsmarted you knowing fully well that you came to support the critics and form alliance with them against God's people. But i pretended as if i don't know your mission until i pushed you to a corner where you lost it and condemned God's word instead of condemning God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses)

So according to you now all what your friends have been saying against Jehovah's Witnesses is meaningless because even God's word upon which everyone on this thread wants to build their arguments is NOT COMPLETE!

That's what smartness means and what it means to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Nna I don't understand you. No weapon kwa. Anyone reading this would think I tried to do you juju.
I never tried to hurt you. I am happy you feel you outsmarted me. Please I have nothing against you.
No one has anything against you
I believe in freedom of religion. I would fight anyone who tries to take away your freedom of worship. And honestly I love you

MaxInDHouse:
Tctrills came to this thread for a mission:

To attack the man (Maximus) who proved to him that there is just one group practicing pure worship but he carefully chose his words and i smartly played along with him.
I calmly treated him with mildness until he lost it and began using abusive speeches!
I still made him feel relaxed until he couldn't find any fault with Jehovah's Witnesses but ended up faulting God's word!

According to Tctrills, the confusion in religion today is God's fault as He failed to monitor His inspired writings some of it we're not compiled along with the Bible therefore if anyone comes up with any form of teaching contrary to what is written in the Bible such teaching is UNQUESTIONABLE unlike what Paul said {Galatians 1:8} because the Bible itself is not the complete word of God!
So i left the thread for him with his friends!

You are quite dishonest. You called me a liar because I disagreed with you. I said you asked a stupid question and you got all sensitive. I even apologize if I hurt your feelings.
And I made special effort to answer your question.
Then you came on my business thread which I was not comfortable with. I did not want to look unprofessional on a business thread.
Where have I wronged you my dear.l

MaxInDHouse:
Tctrills came to this thread for a mission:

To attack the man (Maximus) who proved to him that there is just one group practicing pure worship but he carefully chose his words and i smartly played along with him.
I calmly treated him with mildness until he lost it and began using abusive speeches!
I still made him feel relaxed until he couldn't find any fault with Jehovah's Witnesses but ended up faulting God's word!

According to Tctrills, the confusion in religion today is God's fault as He failed to monitor His inspired writings some of it we're not compiled along with the Bible therefore if anyone comes up with any form of teaching contrary to what is written in the Bible such teaching is UNQUESTIONABLE unlike what Paul said {Galatians 1:8} because the Bible itself is not the complete word of God!
So i left the thread for him with his friends!

You are quite dishonest. You called me a liar because I disagreed with you. I said you asked a stupid question and you got all sensitive. I even apologize if I hurt your feelings.
And I made special effort to answer your question.
Then you came on my business thread which I was not comfortable with. I did not want to look unprofessional on a business thread.
Where have I wronged you my dear.

Starzo:
My life is already 1000x better than yours

Save your tears for your stupid reasoning capacity.

Your life is like your country

Janosky:
To this day, the Catholic Church adherents & hyerarchy are not in accord with the charismatic movement in their midst.

The Mormon church has it's own issues of disagreement about its name and doctrinal matters.

Achorladey & his crew have proven time and again, that JWs are different
1 John 2:9-11 & Romans 15:5-6, JWs have the same line of thought.

I love prove not personal opinion. If you have prove of slitter groups let's have it. Anyone can say anything about any church. I hate that. I have defended your church in the past. I wouldn't allow you say shit about others without proof

Janosky:
The Bible in it's entirety is inspired of God.
The particular aspects referenced of other books reference in the Bible are true & genuine, like the examples you gave.

However, others writings in conflict with the Bible, for instance, "the Acts of Paul and Thecla" have portions that are in direct conflict with the Bible.
God's spirit inspired 66 books, not others conflicting with the Bible irrespective of the names they bear.
These issues raise the red flag about their authenticity.

I pointed out specific books to you. I never spoke abot Acts of Paul and Thecla" since you agree with me that books other than the 66 are of God then we are on the same side.

MaxInDHouse:
Tctrills came to this thread for a mission:

To attack the man (Maximus) who proved to him that there is just one group practicing pure worship but he carefully chose his words and i smartly played along with him.
I calmly treated him with mildness until he lost it and began using abusive speeches!
I still made him feel relaxed until he couldn't find any fault with Jehovah's Witnesses but ended up faulting God's word!

According to Tctrills, the confusion in religion today is God's fault as He failed to monitor His inspired writings some of it we're not compiled along with the Bible therefore if anyone comes up with any form of teaching contrary to what is written in the Bible such teaching is UNQUESTIONABLE unlike what Paul said {Galatians 1:8} because the Bible itself is not the complete word of God!
So i left the thread for him with his friends!

Baba you left the thread why this na. You still want to influence others haba

Janosky:
They were inspired and served a purpose.
Romans 15:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16.

The bolded were the basis for both questions.
Here:
Are you aware Paul quotes from parts of the Bible in the old testament?
Did Paul believe those parts he quoted were not inspired in the old and new testament?

what Paul quoted was 100% inspired.
So you accept that we have other inspired books not included in the bible. End of argument. We all agree.

Starzo:
You're the only fool here and sadest thing is that you still don't realize it.

I weep for your stupidity.

I spent my effort trying to save you from your ignorance and darkness. I thought it was just patriotism. Now I know you can't be saved.
You love darkness and you hate the truth.
May your life be like the Nigerian experience. Rude kid.

achorladey:
Make I help am answer the part in bold

He will tell you sey na MISINFORMATION, LIES, DECEPTION, NEGATIVE REPORT AND FALSEHOOD about his religious organization and leaders.


Janosky, wetin you go give me for this response?

He is trying to condemn others from a newspaper clip, I don't accept that.

Janosky:
Are you aware Paul quotes from parts of the Bible in the old testament?
Did Paul believe those parts he quoted were not inspired in the old and new testament?

I don't understand your question. Paul did not quote songs of Solomon. The Old testament has lots of inspired words.
Did you also know that bible writers quoted book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34);
Are these not inspired books?

Janosky:
Your claim on the Catholic Church and Mormon church is NOT true.

If I present every newspaper clip criticism of your church as an argument what would you say.
A newspaper editorial against the Catholic church is the best you can do to discredit it?
I bet you did not read the article yourself.
What about the Mormon church are you not going to post a newspaper clip?