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FernandezPablo:
Two wrongs do make a right son
And in this kinda situation I don't give a d"*mn..all I am concerned is resetting their dirty mindset..

Old boy, you insult them, they insult you back and both of you keep making fool of yourselves. Probably, you catch your fun doing it but it doesn't make you any different and it does not change anything.
I was hoping I could at least change 1 person hence I engaged you in this discussion.

FernandezPablo:
You have a problem with that?
If only they had been sensible..

2 wrongs don't make a right. They are not being sensible but you just became like them.

U

FernandezPablo:
Can you see how daft some people are in the comment section?some people are mocking the women cos it didn't happen to their tribe..
Ask yourself what if it was your mom who was raped are you gonna say the same thing you guys just said in the comment section..
This are people's mother and you are here spewing garbage..
Most guys on here are really disrespectful to be sincere..no respect at all for women enough to birth your ugly ass...

You are trying to correct others but you are also using disrespectful language. Nigerian's have a big problem

haddeylium:
Hmnnn.... Interesting.
The bible says the dead are going to Sheol...is that where you call the 'Land of the dead' where they are conscious?



I don't know since it wasn't a reply to me. Atleast we have a common ground here
Do you think Adam was existing somewhere before he was created?
Be simple and concise with your answer pls

Yes, Adam was a spirit with God like all of us before our life on earth.
Ephesians 1:4-6

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Like Christ, all spirit children of God existed before even the creation of the world.

Hebrews 12:9

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? ( He is the father of our spirits hence Christ is our brother or like the bible Romans 8:17 put it, we are heirs of God and coheirs with Christ Christ.
again the bible teaches that all men are offsprings of God Acts 17:29. Our bodies are not offsprings of God. Its our spirits that spring from God.
Remember, we are created in the image of the father, we look like him and we have the potential to be just as he is. that is his promise to them that overcome.

kenzysmith:
Cameron is gradually leaving Nigeria behind in terms of infrastructure our politians should stop building campaign grounds and calling them stadium.
Look at anambra home of cubana obi,chief priest, emoney, obiano, peter obi,ifeanyi ubah this is the stadium anambra could come up with?

Don't be fooled, if Nigeria is hosting a tournament, we would also get the Chinese to build us stadiums. The Chinese are ready to build anything you want for the right deal.

Racoon:
Africans with their useless stupid superstitious beliefs.

We have this very same practice in Paris, Rome and Amsterdam. It's not only in Africa

Rosement:
God gave Adam and Eve freewill but He made them desire only good and not evil. Human nature become evil after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit because the fruit made them desire both good and evil. After they ate the fruit, man had the knowledge of different types of sin and man had the desire to commit them. God gave Adam and Eve freewill and he gave them the right to make decisions even before they ate the forbidden fruit. If He created them like robots and they did not know right from wrong, God would have not even considered their actions a sin, He would have considered it a robot malfunction but they knew what they were doing, they did it intentionally. If Adam could not make decisions or he was brainless, would he have had the ability to give every animal a name?

God did not make us like robots because He made us out of love and He gave us freewill to love Him in return. He even cared for us so much so that we will found it very easy to love Him and trust Him. He allowed us to enjoy a perfect and unbroken relationship with Him but yet, we rebelled against Him, we choose to believe satan lies over the truth He told us. Adam and Eve knew it was wrong to disobey God but they ate the forbidden fruit and disobeyed God because they were rebellious. They were backstabbers, they thought they would become like God after eating the fruit, that was why satan was able to deceive them. They did not know satan is their enemy, they thought his intention was to help of them become equal with God, they did not know he hated them and he was jealous of them. his only intention was to make man rebel against God so that man will be separated from God. God gave man a complete access to Him, man had the ability to ask God questions and connect directly with Him but Adam and Eve actions limited our abilities.

The human race would have just been like God's pets because it would have been easier for us to know the truth and do what is right in the sight of God. By now, we would not be in world debating or arguing about the truth because we would still be connected to God and easily know the truth. But through Adam and Eve actions, sin entered into the world and death came upon man. Man could no longer be trusted that is why God removed Adam and Eve from the Garden to prevent them from eating from the tree of life and becoming immortal. Thanks to Jesus will can connect back with the Father and there is hope of eternal life.
Romans 5:15-17 
17. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

It was called the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil for a reason.
The tree brought the knowledge of evil but it also brought the knowledge of Good.

Genesis 3.22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Rosement:
God doesn’t have a physical body. God is a spiritual being without form or body. When the Bible speaks about God's hands, eyes, ears or mouth, the Bible is only using symbolic language to illustrate or explain some of the activities of God.

Job 34:21 For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings.
Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

The Bible says God created man in His own image, which means God put His character on our spirits and our souls. We are like God because we also have the ability to love and to know right from wrong. We are different from animals and we are sacred because we bear God’s image but God’s image within us was deformed and corrupted by sin. Jesus came to the world to stop the image of God within us from completely getting destroyed and He also restored it back within us so that we will have the opportunity to be like God and see Him one day.

We are not God, our powers are limited, we cannot compare ourselves to God. We are not even up to sand, we are mere dust. God is greater than the greatest, He cannot be compared to anyone or any physical being.

The ability to know right from wrong only came after we disobeyed and ate the fruit.

haddeylium:
Exactly! Remember in our discussion that not everything called the spirit has a mind of its own. Just like wind is called.
Also, do you consider the account of man creation in Gen 2:7?
What make a living or conscious person is;
The combination of Dust and breathe of life
Do you think there's already a conscious being somewhere before the two combined?

This is clearly your opinion, at no point in the scriptures were we taught that the spirit of man is thoughtless.
let's look at a few scriptures.
Matthew 26:41

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

He that giveth breath … and spirit to them that walk, Isa. 42:5.. here we learn that the breath and spirit are not the same things.

Romans 8:16

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: The spirit of God communicates directly to our spirit.

Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of man is the lamp of the Lord, searching all his innermost parts.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. ( we worship God with our spirit.)

1 Corinthians 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. (The spirit of man has knowledge) It's not mere wind like you say.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. ( Things of God are discerned by the spirit.)

Luke 1:46-47
And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. (The spirit has emotions)

James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. (The spirit does not die, It is the body that dies.)

1 Peter 4.6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. ( the gospel is preached to the dead so they may be judged even though they live like God in the spirit... This should put away all your doubts,

2 Corinthians 4:16

Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. (here we learn of the outer and inner man)

John 6:63 (KJV)

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Acts 7:59

And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

From these verses, we learn that the spirit of man is active and intelligent. We also learn that the spirit remains alive after the death of the body.

Matthew 10.28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Please can you state any bible verse that describes the spirit as mere wind? Or as a thoughtless being?

haddeylium:
Hmnnn... interesting
Do you think Jesus is lying when he said :
"No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:​13)
?

I admit you have a very strong point, let me study more and get back to you.
But then we learn that the faithful followers of Christ would inherent heaven.

haddeylium:
Are you saying Jesus did not die? That he shed his skin?

Not me, that's what the bible says.
'Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven'
What are your thoughts?

No I am not saying he did not did, I am saying he resurrected. His spirit reunited with his body. Hence, his body was no longer in the tomb.
The kingdom of heaven would be inherited by resurrected men and women.
The answer to your flesh and blood question is found in verse 44 of that same 1 corinthians.

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
When we resurrect, our bodies would be transformed and made fit for the kingdom.
Read also
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

So our bodies would no longer be corruptible, it would be spiritual like that of Christ and his father

KNOWMORE56:
Yes, man is a spirit like God!
*. Genesis 1:26 " KJV:And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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KJV:So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

*. Genesis 2: 7 "

"... he is a demonic agent.."

he attacked you for dream, Abi how you take know

I agree.. man is a spirit like God

NNTR:
You cant fit relate
Lord delete them, delete thеm
Delete еvery 'You are not relating' virus from your system
Your heart's stone-cold. Holy Lord save your soul from fire
God's not a man. No, no, no, that He'll lie.
I no get time for you again
I no get time for no talk and gist
Not for somebody like you who no understands.
No appetite for the point and kill

Smh, 2 Timothy 2:15 is used to advice you to study and do your best to present yourself to God approved, be a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed, because you accurately, correctly and rightly divide the word of truth in the Bible

'Calm down' are my middle names

The bible makes it clear that every human being without any exception dies. What more explanation beyond that are you lusting after?

Please dont mention me again because the meaning of NNTR, has come into force and you wouldnt get any response from me

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

My brother, to understand you or your point of view is real work. It's like you are into poetry. I guess you also have not been understanding me.
To summarize my point, man is a spirit like God. We are created in his image and we have the potential to be like him and inherent all that he has.

NNTR:
That's for me to know and for you to do a 2 Timothy 2:15 find out, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You are not relating. And the scriptures you quote have little to do with the topic.
Calm down and explain your point of view ok.
But then let's conclude our topic. Is man also a spirit like God since he was created in God's image?

NNTR:
Go and argue with Obadiah about that, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

What is your point

NNTR:
The bible says he was taken into the sky

There isnt any human being currently in heaven. Yes in paradise, post Abraham's bosom, but no, not in heaven

You're scared of answering the two questions asked you

Everyone human being has an appointment with death.
Death is inevitable for everyone born of a woman, lol

Just as done with Philip in Acts 8.39, the LORD's Spirit, lifted Elijah up and dropped him on one of the hills or in one of the valleys, where he many years later died. If you had been schooled in the bible, you would studied to see that the sons of the prophet knew about Elijah going to be translated to another place and Elisha accepted it

Funnily enough, if you had read the Bible very well, you would have stumbled on the hint, about Elijah been transported by the Spirit of the LORD before the 2 Kings 2:16 one, but its understandable, you dont know, being that I have spent the good part of 48 hours wading with you inside a kiddie pool and not in a deep end, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Just as done with Philip in Acts 8.39, the LORD's Spirit, lifted Elijah up and dropped him on one of the hills or in one of the valleys, where he many years later died. If you had been schooled in the bible[color=#000099][/color]
You have just added a new passage to the bible.

KulHeadedHuman:
Let's be serious, there are those who are well paid by any standard and there are those who are comparatively well paid as well.

Well you are right, less than 10% of Nigerian labour force are well paid. Teachers happen to belong to the 90%

KulHeadedHuman:
I'm seriously thinking why the teaching profession isn't well rated in terms of welfare packages. Teaching should be a noble profession held up high, but that's not the case in my country. I'm personally a lover of the teaching profession, was in it for about 5years, left it for 'greener pastures' and now feel like coming back home. The question remains 'to what end'? In the end, passion wouldn't pay bills. How do we change this narrative??

No one is well paid in 9ja.

NNTR:

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Can you see, how again, you're unable bring yourself to give your answers to another set of questions, loll.
Tell us, does your Bible say Elijah never died?
Does your Bible tell you that Elijah didnt die, loll

Flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in heaven

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

The bible says he was taken to heaven. If he died in heaven, we don't know. Did the bible say he died?

NNTR:
Dont worry, as I'll break it down for you.

The reason for quoting Acts 8.39 was that I thought your brain will join Acts 8:39 dots with 2 Kings 2:11 dots to conjure a picture to you showing that Elijah and Philip were translated, meaning teleported across space in the air and distance to another place on earth.

Tell us, does your Bible say Elijah never died?
Does your Bible tell you that Elijah didnt die, loll

You want to teach grandma how to suck eggs?

Eat your heart out with this https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-8.htm

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Kings says Elijah was taken to heaven, Acts did not say Philip was taken to heaven. What is your point.
Are you saying it was the spirit of Elijah that was taken up to heaven? Is that your point?

NNTR:
2 Timothy 2:15
Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved,
a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed,
accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth.

The bible does not lie. The misunderstanding is coming from you not doing the 2 Timothy 2:15 due diligence. This has caused you not to correctly and rightly divide the word of truth about basic Bible 101 theology

2 Kings 2:11
Then it happened, as they continued on and talked,
that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire,
separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (i.e. the sky, as that is what the Hebrew word, shamayim means

Acts 8:39
When they came up out of the water,
the Spirit of the Lord [suddenly] took Philip [and carried him] away [to a different place];
and the eunuch no longer saw him, but he went on his way rejoicing.

Its a no brainer, what happened to Elijah in 2 Kings 2:11, nonetheless, make of 2 Kings 2:11 and Acts 8:39 what you will. loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Acts 8.39 has nothing to do with heaven. So you did not have to quote it.
As for the meaning of shamayim,
Shamayim (Hebrew: שָׁמַיִם‎‎ šāmayīm), the Hebrew word for "heaven" (literally heavens, plural), denotes one component of the three-part biblical cosmology, the other elements being erets (the earth) and sheol (the underworld). Shamayim is the dwelling place of God and other heavenly beings, erets is the home of the living, and sheol is the realm of the dead, including, in post-Hebrew Bible literature (including the New Testament), the abode of the righteous dead.

I think you really need to study ancient hebrew before quoting it. If you don't know it, don't quote it.
You seem to be getting all your ancient hebrew wrong

4four:
I can bet it those Nigerians working in Europe, America and other countries where not being paid up to times 20 of what being paid to the country men and women of those countries doing the same work with Nigerians in those countries. Also nobody is saying there should not be expatriates but abuse is what we are complaining of. Companies in Nigeria will have up to 25% to 20% of his work forces as expatriates that will be trained by Nigerians and so called expatriates will be collecting times 10 to 20 of what being paid to Nigerians

They are paid more because they have higher skill. There is no profit in hiring expatriates and paying theme more if Nigerians would give the same value.

soliddust2020:
I see omicron there

Omicron is everywhere.

Redoil:
‘‘Anywhere the Indians, the Lebanese, and generally, the Asians operate, they cause trouble. They are the people causing problem in the industry. They are the ones giving us the most problems in this area"
.

Lamenting the situation, a labour leader who spoke to Vanguard on condition of anonymity, said, “With the level of our development, we cannot say we do not need expatriates. We need them in areas where we do not have local expertise. But our grouse is the abuse.


this people are clowns they easily forget that the Indians, the Lebanese, and Chinese are the driving force of industrilasation in almost all the third world county nigeria inclusive
.
how many Nigerians rich enough and yet has the knowledge of industrialisation less than 0.000001%
most reach Nigerians prefer investing their wealth ill gotten wealth giving birth to thousand of children (Abubakar Malami SAN (born 17 April 1967), is a Nigerian lawyer and politician who since 2015 is serving as Minister for Justice and Attorney-General of the Federation with 39 children and no investment)
.

go up north and see the thousand of children being birthed daily with no industries for them to work

We have millions of Nigerians working in Europe, America and all over the world, yet we complain over a few foreigners working in Nigeria.
We keep discouraging a free market economy and foreign investment

NNTR:
John 3:13
No one has gone up into heaven,
but there is One who came down from heaven, the Son of Man [Himself—whose home is in heaven].

loll. Yeah, in your dreams, they are, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Unless the bible was lying.
When the Lord was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal.

NNTR:
What haddeylium doesnt understand is that there currently isnt any human being in heaven. Another thing haddeylium doesnt understand is that, resurrection with a glorified body, only happens in paradise at the sound of the trumpet, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Enoch and Elijah are in heaven according to the bible.

haddeylium:
Infact, I really like the fact that quoted this particular verse.

Remember that Jesus had a prehuman existence as a spirit son of God ? (John 1:1; Col. 1:15-17). Then he was a invisible, immaterial spirit being just as his father .
For his ransom sacrifice, he came as a Man (with flesh and blood). (Philippians 2:. Now, he's a physical being. He sacrificed his life and died and unconscious for 3 days .

Now, to the bible verse you quoted.

1 Pet. 3:18, RS: “Christ also died for sins once for all, . . . being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit
He was put to death as a human(with flesh and blood) for the ransom sacrifice but was raised a spirit being after 3days .
You can compare it with (1 Corinthians 15:44)
-It is sown(buried) a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body-
He was buried as a human and raised as a spirit to gain entry into heaven. Afterall, God's word says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom

2 things here,
1st, The resurrected Christ clearly told his followers that he was not a spirit. Remember, he asked them to touch him. I don't think he was lying or trying to deceive them.
2nd. If you say that only spirit would inherit God's kingdom, then you automatically agree that man is a spirit. Because the kingdom of God would be inherited by righteous men. Hence, you seem to agree that man is a spirit without knowing.

haddeylium:
Let me return you back to Gen 2:7. I didn't write it .
Two things make up a living and conscious person(soul)
Dust and Breathe of life(or spirit (not spirit being)
So simple.
Unless you want to argue with God's word that there's already a conscious person before God's combines the two
Try

Well, Genesis never explained what that breath was made up of. Genesis never said it was a lifeless or thoughless breath. So why conclude. On the other hand, many verses in the bible clearly teach that the spirit of man is intelligent and that God is the father of our spirits.
Genesis never explained what consist of the breath of life, we learn that from other verses.

haddeylium:
Together with Gen 2:7 shows that it's mindless lifeforce (or spirit) that animate a dead soul. Even this spirit is the same with animals' own (Eccl 3:19)

It doesn't it's your own opinion not the bible. If you read your bible, you would learn that the spirit of man is not a mindless force. Let me know if you need verses form the bible to prove that.

haddeylium:
Ofcourse! Bible translator with religious dogma of going straight to heaven after death will rendered the translation you chose that way.

But does it answer your question here?


This is not a matter of following crowd but knowing and agreeing with what the bible really teaches

When Christ died his spirit lived on remember. 1 Peter 3. 19 -21 tells of some of his activities. Preaching to other dead spirits in prison. This is very similar to the parable he told of lazarus and the rich man.
Because of Christ action the gospel is preached to the dead.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit

haddeylium:
Ofcourse! Bible translator with religious dogma of going straight to heaven after death will rendered the translation you chose that way.

But does it answer your question here?


This is not a matter of following crowd but knowing and agreeing with what the bible really teaches

His spirit went to paradise. Paradise is were you find the spirits of the righteous

NNTR:
I dont want anything, what I need from you is to follow protocol, stay focus on what we are discussing, free up your mind and jettison all preconceived ideas not aligned with biblical truths and facts, loll. I believe all are achievable, if you rise up to the task.

The idea behind that, is so to keep track of your answer from easily identifying your answers and matching each with the question they 've responded to, loll.

The questions were asked you in an A,B,C format, you did not give your answers back in the same A,B,C style

If you refuse to give your answers back in the same in the same A,B,C style the questions were asked, how in the world would I possibly be able to follow up with different lines of enquiry questions. Erh?

I have a 1001 quite a lot else in mind, but you are creating a show stopper, an impasse as it were, by being impossible and not acting in accordance with simple protocols you're expected to follow, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I have been honest with you but it's clear you have something in mind and you are not expressing it.
I never took this as an academic sections hence I did not see any need to submit my assignment in your preferred format. But I addressed all your questions in my answer. If you feel I did not. Point me to the particular question.
I am really trying to understand and satisfy you.