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MaxInDHouse:
You're the one running from pillar to post here.
Jehovah's Witnesses aren't against Science but faithless researchers claiming scientists trying to discredit God's word.
Right from the creation God says the life of all creatures is in their blood and it's not transferable {Leviticus 17:11,14} here God is teaching us what scientists later discovered thousands of years later.
So what exactly is the lesson learned?
Everyone must be mindful of his or her health and most importantly blood which is the life in each creature. Jehovah's Witnesses have lots of alternative measures at our disposal to build and increase the blood level. Most of which are from herds! Psalms Psalms 104:14

As regards taking it into our bodies, our God says "blood from other bodies is UNHEALTHY" {Act 15:29} so we are not against Science that's is taught in our book, we are only standing firm for the wisdom found in God's word which surpasses all knowledge! Ephesians 3:19

Thanks for quoting scripture.
The only commandment about blood was not to eat blood. Remember, we don't add to the word of God.
Leviticus 17:11,14
11 For the life of a creature is in the blood,(A) and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.[a](B) 12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.”

13 “‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,(C) 14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.
Act 15:29
29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.(A) You will do well to avoid these things.

No single verse in the bible talks about blood transfusion. Unless you have a different bible.

All the verses I read talk about eating of blood.QED

MaxInDHouse:
You're the one running from pillar to post here.
Jehovah's Witnesses aren't against Science but faithless researchers claiming scientists trying to discredit God's word.
Right from the creation God says the life of all creatures is in their blood and it's not transferable {Leviticus 17:11,14} here God is teaching us what scientists later discovered thousands of years later.
So what exactly is the lesson learned?
Everyone must be mindful of his or her health and most importantly blood which is the life in each creature. Jehovah's Witnesses have lots of alternative measures at our disposal to build and increase the blood level. Most of which are from herds! Psalms Psalms 104:14

As regards taking it into our bodies, our God says "blood from other bodies is UNHEALTHY" {Act 15:29} so we are not against Science that's is taught in our book, we are only standing firm for the wisdom found in God's word which surpasses all knowledge! Ephesians 3:19

Like I said early, you obviously know nothing about the science of blood transfusion. And you showed your ignorance in the topic. You have a right to be against any researcher. But the thing with science is that it is no respecter, of persons.
1+1=2 not minding if it's done by a faithless researcher or a faithful researcher. Scientists can argue but the science is universal.
You don't need to go to church to understand gravity.
So no one cares if you agree with science or not. With science, it's not about what you agree with but what you can proof.

Janosky:


Does it change the fact stated in the newspaper headline, 95% donor blood units unsafe"

When you transfuse 95% unsafe blood to say, for instance, "about 65%" of pregnant women in Naija, what would be the outcome?

Where I come from, intelligent people don't depend on headlines, rather they read to understand the story. Now let's discuss science, when you say 95% of blood transfusions are unsafe, what does it mean? Does it mean that 95% of blood donors have infections? Or does it mean that we as a country only have 5% capacity for safe transfusion. 2 different things.
If 95% of all donors have blood infections, it simply means that almost every Nigerian has an infection because 19 out of every 20 that donated blood had an infection. Also, the newspaper report never pointed to any study. So my advice to you is
1. stick to religion if you do not understand science.
2. You should never depend on a new headline for your source.
3. You should ask for data when percentages and numbers are thrown at you.
4. You should be able to point to the source of your news, if not, don't quote.
5. You remain grossly unqualified to discuss the science of blood transfusion. Reading a few news headlines does not make you qualified.

Lockup shops not mall.

MaxInDHouse:
Just know that when it comes to the word of God Jehovah's Witnesses will stand on the side of God's word against anything you're trying to raise above the scriptures.
For instance, how many people know that the COVID-19 vaccines comes from different makes? We have done our own research to know which is safe for us unlike misinformed Churchgoers who are spewing gibberish about what scientists prepared to help combat the pandemic.
So if you want to talk about science you're free but never come to JWs and place what scientists say above the word of our God!

Like I said stick to what you know. If you want to talk scripture, don't bring pseudoscience into it.
Like I said in science, we use data and facts not argument.
We can argue with the bible but we can't argue with mathematics.
1 + 1 is always 2

Janosky:
According to the proven evidences in the screenshots, blood transfusions CAN KILL, may cause death.
"95% of donor blood is "unsafe" in Nigeria.
Oga,is your LYING scientific fact?

now I was able to read your newspaper article. Let me send you extract fromy that same article which I know you never read.
Everyday, 537 women in Sub-Saharan Africa die from pregnancy-related complications. Many of these deaths are due to lack of blood. Half of the maternal deaths from severe bleeding in the world occur in Sub-Saharan Africa. About 65 per cent of these deaths occur in the post-partum period, according to reports.[color=#006600][/color]

The source you quoted is actually in support of blood transfusion. It is advocating for more blood donors and safer transfusion.
Please read before you screenshot

Janosky:
According to the proven evidences in the screenshots, blood transfusions CAN KILL, may cause death.
"95% of donor blood is "unsafe" in Nigeria.
Oga,is your LYING scientific fact?

Now let me explain what science is to you since you clearly don't understand.
What you have done is very unscrupulous and unscientific.
You went to look for every failed case online and posted.
That's not how science is done.
Then you posted a screenshot that says "95% of donor blood is "unsafe" Who conducted the study? At least you wrote a higher education project. You should have learn to sight your sources. Anybody can claim anything it does not make it science.
Don't send me screenshots, send me links.

Kobojunkie:
The same Interviews that claimed he spent approximately N 1.4 million a month - and average of N100 per person per day - feeding all those in house hold?

His children are mostly grown and responsible. I would try to send you a link. There is this interview were his kids were interviewed alongside him

Kobojunkie:
From what you learnt from whom?

His BBC interview and other interviews for the local radio station.

DubaiLandLord2:
This is a good news, by this time next year e go don drop to 1.5%

So when we say inflation rate dropped, it does not mean that prices came down. It only means that prices rose at a lower rate.
When prices fall, we call that deflation.
15% inflation is still one of the highest on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
I told you from the beginning that SCIENCE must stay on it's own while GOD'S word must stay on it's own, if you choose what SCIENCE say about human health over what God says i'm not in any position to query you just as you have no right to tell me how my own treatment should go simply because you choose SCIENCE over God's word.

Once someone doesn't believe in God then such a person is not qualified to treat me.
Even if such a person believes in Ifa, Sango or Orunmila so far the person believes in the supernatural i will go for treatment in his place but never will i entrust my wellbeing in the hands of someone who gives no glory to God!

I have no issue with your opinion. I just wanted the science to be clear. I am happy you are beginning to see things my way

Kobojunkie:
The man left behind over 300 potential screw-yous to society.

I don't think having kids screws society. Many of his kids are grown and responsible from what we learnt.

TimeTraveller:
He was so powerful, yet Enugu Ezike still looks like a desolate shithole and wasteland.

With all his powers, he could not attract development to his region, only wives and bastard children.

There is something diabolically wrong with the black man. This is not a racist post, it's the fact. We are either getting screwed by pastors, imams or native doctors. Everywhere we turn, we are screwed. No hole is spared (pun intended).

Did this man screw anyone? He is not the government that should be responsible for infrastructural development? That's the thing with black people, always blaming the wrong people.
This was just another man with his own interesting believes.
It's not particular to African. In the US, we have the church of satan. We also have many devil worshippers across the US and europe.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just running around like a clown in the circus!

My question to you again!

Doctors always write this in all hospitals:

"WE CARE BUT GOD HEALS "

Then i asked you:



Your response clearly shows that you're trying to lie in behalf of those who said they rely on God as healer.

I'm not arguing with you about science because everyone believe in science but when it comes to treatment the professionals themselves rely on God.

So if God says "ABSTAIN from blood"

Each person must choose how to handle that statement, you're not in any position to impose your own interpretation on me be you a scientist or not. I'm not saying you should not go for a blood transfusion but all i'm saying is "since it doesn't guarantee life then each person has the right to accept or reject it" i believe that as a health professional you should know that each patient has the right to the treatment of their choice!

Doctors always write this in all hospitals:

CARE BUT GOD HEALS You only find this in religious, mostly Nigerian Christian hospitals. It has nothing to do with the facts. If the doctor was nonreligious, you would not find this written in the hospital.

I'm not arguing with you about science because everyone believe in science I am happy you have finally decided to stay away from science and stick to religion.

Each person must choose how to handle that statement, you're not in any position to impose your own interpretation on me be you a scientist or not. This is the beauty of religion, you can give it any interpretation but you don't try that in science.
My point was to stick to what you know. You obviously have some experience discussing religion. stick to that but you clearly don't understand how science works so don't even try.
I have no problem with your beliefs. I wouldn't teach you what to believe but when you began teaching pseudoscience, I felt the need to correct you.

MaxInDHouse:
Well you failed woefully!
Because i never said blood transfusion doesn't keep the patient alive for more days but what is the end result after decades?
Most patients that have undergone blood transfusion surely develop illnesses in the future of course they can't connect such illnesses with the blood taken due to the timeframe. When God said abstain from fornication does it mean all fornicators will contact deadly diseases? NO!
But even though some may die after contacting deadly diseases through it all those engaging in it will later suffer either psychological or emotional crisis in the future.
So when our God says "abstain from blood" {Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 3:7; Deuteronomy 12:23; Act 15:20,29} there's nothing any faithless, hopeless and worthless researcher can say to make us turn against what the greatest healer (God) say in the Bible.

We will put God first then anything else may follow! Matthew 6:33

There is zero scientific backing to your statement that Most patients that have undergone blood transfusion surely develop illnesses in the future. What sickness do they develop? What percentage of people develop such sicknesses? This is where science comes in. You need to show me the data. I am very open to learning. Just point me to the data.
I keep saying we cannot discuss this topic on 2 fronts. choose one, do we discuss science or religion.
Abstain from blood could mean
1 Abstain from shedding blood
2 Abstain from eating blood
3 Abstain from touching blood
4 Abstain from seeing blood
In fact, there was no blood transfusion at the time the bible was written so it clearly wasn't talking about that.
But then, if you want to talk science, show me, studies, facts, and data.
We can argue religion but we can never argue science. It's based on evidence. Provable evidence. In science, we don't just open our mouths and spew out things that are not verified. We do that in religion but not science.

Ihuomanice1:
The breast no dey move any man for 9ja again...
And beside what is there to showcase again when Davido has dangle left right centre of the breast finished.

Girls body-shaming girls. You forget the boys that have manhandled your own breasts. Not fair.

MaxInDHouse:
"A particular discipline or branch of learning, especially one dealing with measurable or systematic principles rather than intuition or natural ability" Oxford Dictionary

Science connotes what is WORKING not what isn't producing fine results. So if there is still ongoing debates on the end result of a system then such is better referred to as experiment not accurate knowledge.
Many died after blood transfusion while some survived the process, many also died without blood transfusion while some who got alternative non-blood treatment survive.
Therefore no scientist can confidently say that it's due to blood transfusion that lives were saved.
Remember the motto of all medical practitioners:

"WE CARE BUT GOD HEALS"

So do you think any right thinking professional in that field will ignore what the true HEALER says regarding the care for life?

Well when it comes to KNOWLEDGE we know that everyone has gotten it because KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information

But

WISDOM is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of accumulated information which is for LASTING BENEFITS

Real Scientists think about the LASTING BENEFITS of what they will do regarding human health, it's the faithless ones among them that are hasty when it comes to the treatment of creature in God's image!

I don't think you are qualified to talk about science. From your writeup, you have shown that you don't understand the basic scientific method.
Now allow me to teach you. The scientific method is a process of determining what is and what is not. We use what is established to determine what isn't.
saying many have died after a blood transfusion is like saying many still die after taking malaria medicine. This doesn't mean malaria medications do not work. I beg you to stick to the bible and leave science for those of us that do it for a living.

You again said So do you think any right thinking professional in that field will ignore what the true HEALER says regarding the care for life? The answer to this is yes. No science is established based on what any religion feels or believes. The scientific method had nothing to do with your religious inclination. That is why we have had amazing world-changing science coming from people of all sects.
Now, what is the science of blood transfusion?
Blood transfusions replace blood that is lost through surgery or injury or provide it if your body is not making blood properly. You may need a blood transfusion if you have anemia, sickle cell disease, a bleeding disorder such as hemophilia, or cancer.
This is an established process recognized by every single medical body.
so unless you come up with new findings just keep to the bible.
The good thing about the bible is that anyone can claim to be an expert without being challenged. But in science, you don't just say anything.
Again, science is not a democracy, it's about proof of concept not about what is popular. So when you quoted a newspaper opinion piece as your science it shows you are not really serious about your science. We do not argue with science. We prove science using empirical data.

report to your school's SUG or students affairs.

MaxInDHouse:
Chai see confusion all because you want to accuse God's people!

Who told you there are no scientists among Jehovah's Witnesses?

Well what i meant is faithless Scientists (not all Scientists) because Luke was a physician and also a believer. So learn to be quick in listening and slow to speak! James 1:19

You want to discuss science or religion? Because if you want to discuss the science of blood transfusion you cant be quoting some silly newspaper.
And stop being afraid and defensive, I have never accused your church of anything in any of our conversations.
If I recall, you are the one accusing everyone.

benjackugo:
Despite contracting COVID-19 while being pregnant, a Nigerian woman celebrates as she welcomed her baby and also bagged a PhD, IgbereTV reports.

The woman shared photo of herself and her baby with the caption;



https://www.instagram.com/p/CXen3oJtgnP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

She is young and I guess healthy. Contacting covid wouldn't be a grave danger for her. Over 80% of those that contact covid don't even show symptoms.
Come to think of it, thousands of Nigerians had covid but never knew.

NGpatriot:
It won't get good for Nigeria because I love Nigeria? Or the only way to get good for Nigeria is if I hate Nigeria like you hateful and bitter ipobs?

This makes sense to you?

You people are just too sad and pathetic.

You are just a tool so I don't blame you. The fault is with those feeding you.

damosky12:
Witnessing a robbery isn't watching porn. You don't "witness" porn. You watch it. No one is calling you an indecency star because you watch porn. But the fact that you watch porn means you have no moral right to criticize the indecency star. You are both morally faulting, albeit at different capacities. They make the materials. You consume them. They work for you. You enjoy their products. It's lucid.

Well our opinions differ.

achorladey:
That is one of their mode of operation. They scavenge for anything that suit or support their preconceived agendas and impressed it upon people as genuine even when reality says it is filled with FAKES.

When caught in their use of FAKES, denials and lying set in.

The guy should have made some research. It's lazy of him to come up with that crap and the moment I opposed him, with real science, he began playing the religious card.

achorladey:
Point made passed across well enough.

The guy just pulled out some newspaper and started preaching like it was the bible

damosky12:
Lol. Opening your phone and watching porn is not watching a crime scene. Stop bringing the wrong scenarios into this.

Child porn,for instance, is illegal. Since it is illegal, both those who watch (or are in custody of) it and those who produce it are culpable before the law. They won't say he watched it but didn't do it.

It's seriously laughable that you are trying hard to justify yourself for "enjoying" the video while you're criticizing the person in it. Is this reasonable to you?

Your point is that wathing is the same at participating and I disagree with you. Both are different things. I have witnessed robbery take place yet I am not a robber.
I watch movies that doesn't make me an actor.
If I watch porn, it doesn't make me a IndecentStar.

damosky12:
It's not even religion here. It's simple, fluid logic.

If you watched and enjoyed the same video you're criticizing her for, you're hypocritical. It's lucid thinking. You can't contest that intelligibly.

So your logic states that if you watch a crime take place, you should be jailed for the crime? I am thankful that you are not in charge of our Constitution. The jails would have been filled up.

NGpatriot:
Not for me.

Good for Nigeria

God for Nigerian workers

Good for Nigerian businesses.

We pray it gets good for nigeria but with you guys it's not going to happen.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry for you!

claiming scientists have caused enough damage to lives simply because they don't want to believe (trust) in the Bible.

So if your life depends on what they're telling you it's up to you, as for God's people we only take their medical advices when it doesn't go against God's word. Once it does we will say NO! NO!! NO!!!

If you kept your comments to religion that would have been great but you venture into a field you know nothing about.
It's these same Faithless researchers that have made the world a better place. I would rather take medical advice from the Faithless researchers than a bible student

achorladey:
Many of their beliefs are based on assumptions, speculations. Na person wey understand their mode of operation go know.

My point is, don't make medical argument's without scientific facts.
Discuss the religious aspect but forget the science if you know little or nothing about it.

damosky12:
Your analogy shifts the goal post. But here is an answer:

Both the footballer and the football fan have something in common. It's football. If football were a sin, they are both guilty.

No sin is bigger than the other. Seeing porn and doing porn are basically both immoral. You can't defend judge the actor if you are a secret watcher. It's called hypocrisy.

Your opinion of sin is based on your religion. We all don't share the same religion. Waching is not equal to doing.

NGpatriot:
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Stop lamenting and foaming at the mouth just to convince us that you hate Nigeria, we know this already and this is not about your hatred and bitterness or your depressed existence, this is about Nigeria standing up for a Nigerian business, Nigerian workers, Nigerian economy and Nigerian jobs.

If this news saddens you or if it's giving you nightmeres, that is your own personal problem, not mine.

God Bless Me

God Bless My country, Nigeria

God Bless Air Peace

God Bless PMB.

good for you have fun

MaxInDHouse:
Blood Transfusions?
Well this is for you!

Baba, you quote an unscientific newspaper report. https://www.who.int/news-room/facts-in-pictures/detail/blood-transfusion
This is from the WHO, not some confused doctor.
Your article says 'Blood transfusion may cause death' which is not a scientific statement.