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fuckJones:
you are wrong sir, Jesus coming to die for our sin was not God initial plan for the earth, Jesus choose to die, God did not create Jesus to be killed, but rather, Jesus, through his own will and as part of God's plan, chose to die to save humanity from sin. This sacrifice, made out of love for humanity, was intended to provide a path for people to have a relationship with God after sin

Please explain the highlighted verses from the bible. Because it seems you know more than the bible.
2 Timothy 1:9

"He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,

Revelation 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

Ephesians 1: 4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having[b] predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself[/b], according to the good pleasure of his will,

1 Peter 1:20

"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.

Do we believe the bible or do we believe you?

MaxInDHouse:
He can't answer this simple question as he doesn't believe God's word but what he fabricated in his own crooked mind {John 8:44} according to God's word the original plan was for humans to live forever on planet earth:

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

From the above it's evident that God is using humans as caretaker of planet earth {Genesis 2:15} which means we are care for the planet and use our God's given wisdom to make life sweeter to our own taste!

So what is man going to do in heaven?😂

The question is a distraction. The discussion is not about living with God in heaven or living on earth. And it is not about man being in God's image. It is about Adam and Eve eating the fruit and God's original plan to save man through Jesus Christ.

Nwaikpe:
If you were a graduate, you wouldn't use the word "most."

But he is correct; he has built a business and a brand that most graduates would never dream of building. His personal brand is about the most recognizable among pastors. He has developed a unique messaging system that sets him apart on all social channels.

MaxInDHouse:
The word of God doesn't support what is not reasonable, God Himself said He doesn't know what is in the hearts of men until they began displaying their crookedness and it pained Him! Genesis 6:6
So claiming God planned everything in the beginning is a lie against His holiness!

So you disagree with your bible that God fore ordained Christ to save us even before the world was formed. Oya na, argue with your bible.
Also, your bible clearly states that God knows the heart of man
Psalm 44:21 – Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.
Jeremiah 17:10: I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.
1 Chronicles 28:9: And you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts.
Acts 1:24 And they prayed and said, 'You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
Hebrews 4:12: For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself God never planned to send Jesus in the beginning it was Adamic sin that warrants sending a redeemer otherwise mankind doesn't need Jesus to come and die for anyone's sin.

That's the absolute truth!🙂

Lets agree that you know more than the word of God. Have a nice day

MaxInDHouse:
What of Satan rebelling against God so that Adam and Eve joined him then many angels also joined Satan to rebel against God?
Are these all not part of the script plan?

Oga stick to your bible and what has been revealed. Leave guesswork alone. We already know that the sacrifice of Christ for our sins is God's plan. That is clearly stated in your bible. So these other abstract questions are distractions.
Hope you get it now?

fuckJones:
My question now is what was God original plan for man, was it for man to stayed with him in heaven or to stay here on earth?

Let us stick to what is revealed. I never spoke about man staying with Him in heaven or staying here on earth. I only said that Jesus Christ coming to die for our sins is the original plan according to the bible.

fuckJones:
You are wrong sir, Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.”​—GENESIS 1:28.
The first man and woman could explore the entire planet and enjoy everything on it, they was no were in the bible were Adam was thinking of going to heaven to stay with God,

I don't even understand how anything you wrote relates to the topic. I advise we take it slow so we can understand ourselves. I never said the bible stated that Adam was thinking of going to heaven to stay with God. So what is really your point? What I said was that according to your bible, Jesus Christ was foreordained to sacrifice Himself for us even before the creation of Adam. Hence, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is God's original plan for man.
Hope you understand me now?

MaxInDHouse:
At least you have missed the meaning of biblical EARTH and misconstrued it with WORLD that's enough amusement for today!

Lol, we both know you are only trying to waste both our time with nonsense. Have a great day

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ continue with your audience after all you too need to feel like a teacher so don't let me pour sand for your gari!🙂

Lol, your logic always fails. The pattern always repeats. We have gotten so used to you and your system. But its ok bro have a great day

MaxInDHouse:
You don't have to worry because even if i show you the truth it has always been your way to argue on and on.

There is a difference between the earth and the world.

So foundation of the world is not the same thing as foundation of the earth!🙂

This is why I love you. You have an incredible ability to say crazy things.
So tell me, when was the foundation of the world made?
You are about to hook yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is what i disagree with but if your audience is satisfied there is no need going back and forth with you on the matter that's your own opinion!

You are free to disagree with the word of God. But did you not just read that Christ was choosen to save us even before the foundation of the earth? So why fight with the word of God
I only speak the written word of God not my opinion

Dtruthspeaker:
Repeating yourself proves you have No Thing.

I have pointed out the issues in Revelations 13: 8, and you could not answer, so you ran to 1 Peter 20, and I showed you that 1 Peter 19 showed you that you are wrong as that phrase is always separate from the silly thing you think.
What exactly is your point. Do you disagree with the bible that Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?
None of the verses support it and your thinking is fuelled by your wishes and by your pastors constant restatement of error.

The phrase only seeks to remind us of John 1.

Oga wait oh, you at least went to school.
Don't all these verses teach you that Christ's mission is much older than Adam and Eve? Can you understand that the sacrifice of Christ is the original plan?
Haba, if you can't read or understand, how can I help you sir.

MaxInDHouse:
And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it. From the founding of the world, not one of their names has been written in the scroll of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered. NWT

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All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. NIV‬


Everyone living on earth would worship the beast. These are all the people since the beginning of the world whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life. The Lamb is the one who was killed. ERV



And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. KJV

Do you think what this place is saying is that God already killed Jesus before Adam and Eve committed sin?
Because according to the Bible it was the sin Adam and Eve committed that warrants the sacrifice Jesus made!😟

It teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was God's original plan from the foundation of the world. Hence, God clearly knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, and He already made provision for that even before they came to earth.
Has this answered your question?

Dtruthspeaker:
See Ësù changing post to Peter and Timothy since he cannot answer Revelations 13:8.

Instead of you say that your head could not process the whole information arising from the leading questions and analysis because it points out that you are talking rubbish, you decided to change post and return the exam question to me.

Even at that you are still a failure else you would have seen that verse 19 of your 1 Peter 20 still Said "as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:" which was even placed first

But, since you don't read, in case you have passed common entrance then read

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world but was manifest in these last times for you,

And where this verses should have reminded you that they were affirming and confirming John 1, but in your blindness as a result of being a son of Sathan, you cannot see it especially as none of them say that from the foundation of the world Jesus was to die.

In all of the verses, the phrase from the foundation of the world is always separate but as a child of Sathan, you can never see it.

And this is even with the word "but was manifest in these last times for you", in your Ësù mind last means original.

Oya find another verse so that I will be breaking them down and teaching you like you a toddler learning A is for Apple 🍎. Ah for Apple 🍎

1 Peter 1. 19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Revelation 13.8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Read and stop making noise. Even before the world was created, it was decided that Christ was going to die for us.

Dtruthspeaker:
Who or what is "from the foundation of the world"?

A Is it the lamb?
B Or the slaying?
C Or the book of life?
D Or all that dwell upon the earth?

Revelations is about the beginning of the world to the end so that verse is taking about shows that it about "all that dwell upon the earth from the foundation of the world" as it clearly said at the beginning of the verse.

Please read and answer your question. I believe you have at least a JSS 3 education so you shouldnt have any problem answering your question. You don need me to teach you every thing.
But to guide you, let me give you hints.
1 Peter 1.20
2 Timothy 1:9
You are welcome.

MaxInDHouse:
Please can you quote the highlighted in the Bible?😟

I just did Revelation 13:8.
You guys should stop asking questions like kids at this stage, you should know how to find verses in your bible.

Dtruthspeaker:
You do not want to go to helfaya, yet you say this.

That aside, right next to your babies are gas burners, knives, forks, electric wires, freezers, glasses and other dangerous, stuff. Even you keep dangerous animals like dogs,cats, snakes yet those babies grew up from babyhood to adulthood, going on to make their own homes for another set of babies to live in.

Not to talk of your adult relations whom you bring from your villages to live with you in the city where they too finally left to their own houses.

So, clearly you have proven God right that it is very possible to live with dangerous items and not be harmed.

And anyway this is not the topic so stop trying to CHANGE POST!

And thank God you have admitted that they would have lived forever if they had not disobeyed, which is the point.

So you put dangerous stuff around your babies. Wow

fuckJones:
You are wrong Mr, God original plan for man is to stayed on earth and take care of the earth according to the bible

Actually no.
The bible clearly states that Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the earth. This shows that the original plan even before the world was created was for Jesus Christ to come and die for our sins. This wouldn't have been necessary if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not read the word "lest you die"? Does that word not tell you that if they had never eaten the fruit they would have lived forever?

You are right if they had not eaten the fruit, the would have lived forever. Also, if God had not created the fruit and placed it in the garden, they would have lived forever.
No good parent will place what will end up hurting their kids just right next to the kids. And God, being the greatest parent ever knew and expected Adam and Eve to eat the fruit despite Him telling them the consequences. It was clearly part of His plan, not to hurt the human race but to bless us with salvation through His Son Jesus Christ

nairalanda1:
LOL...he should write to his bank, especially to the Bank of Agriculutre, who will give him a loan easily, if he wants to farm.

Stop that right now. Have you ever tried getting a Kobo from the Bank of Agriculture? Stop giving people false information. He wouldn't get anything from that bank. I am talking from personal experience. Please stop wasting people's time

Oga, just mark her test and move on with your life. It is not up to you to do the job of her parents.
Don't waste your time overthinking foolishness. I believe as a teacher in a private school, you are overworked so don't add any more burden upon yourself.
If she fails, she fails. Don't make it your problem.

Judolisco:
you're not reading what I'm saying... I never said the thief was baptised.... The thief was not even born again, yet he made heaven... He made heaven because jesus said he could come... That's the only thing that matters.... Faith and repentance... But without faith, it is impossible to please God

Please let me add a few more words. It was Paul that said without faith, it is impossible to please God. Same Paul taught that faith without works is dead. Lastly, you can continue in whataboutism and keep asking about everyone that died to know if they were baptized or you can simply believe Jesus Christ. Which do you go for.

Judolisco:
like I said we are saved my grace not by works... Baptism is an example or work....it is faith and repentance, not physical water that brings salvation..... For example baptism of the holyspirit came after jesus left the earth.... Some believers like lazarus died when jesus was still on earth and had no opportunity of having the holyspirit.... Are you saying they are all in hell?

You claim you are saved by grace are you think it is ok to regard the Savior's instructions as unimportant. Sir that is not how grace works.
Jesus Christ never gave us an instruction that was not needed for our salvation.
If He told you to be baptized, it's because it is needed. It is not just some fun stuff.
He did not come to earth to make jokes.
We can continue to ask about every single individual who ever died. Or we just believe the Saviour when He says that you can't enter the kingdom without being born of water and the Spirit.
Being born again is part of the grace of God.
Again I ask, Jesus Christ says without baptism and the Holy ghost you can't enter His kingdom, you say He is wrong, who do we believe.

Judolisco:
you're not reading what I'm saying... I never said the thief was baptised.... The thief was not even born again, yet he made heaven... He made heaven because jesus said he could come... That's the only thing that matters.... Faith and repentance... But without faith, it is impossible to please God

I am saying that you don't know if the thief was baptized or not and all analyzing is not important. Jesus Christ has instructed all those that believe to be baptized. If you fail to obey it shows you have no faith in Him and his words and you know the consequences.

So do you prefer we continue to argue over the baptismal state of the thief that we both don't know or we follow Jesus Christ instructions that every creature that believes should be baptized. Make your choice.

ocnovakmichael:
Though in that text Jesus wasn't the one doing the baptism but his disciples. Yet, it is on record/history/scriptures that during the time of John the Baptist and Christ, it could be infered that over 95% of the populace were baptized: even the Pharisees and Sadducees, who were leaders, did baptized, and as such, influencing many to also baptize

Matthew 3:7
[7]But when he (John) saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

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It's funny that so many people out there don't know these things.

ocnovakmichael:
Thank you brother. It was even infered in the book of Mark that it's plausible that that thief on the cross got baptized
Mark 1:4-5
[4]John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[5]And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.


Notice that text says, "And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him ( John)."

So it's highly plausible from my inference that that man was baptized of John

We also learn in John 4
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Orlandoo:
Imagine what a rich old man is dragging himself with a teenage girl in public? A senator of the federal republic for that matter. A man that should be relaxing at home with his grandkids.

Just pray that your own marriage and relationship works out.

BlackDuke:
Romans 9: 15-16 God says I will show mercy on whom I will, and compassion on whomever I choose.

if you expect the Lord to have mercy and compassion on you, then follow His instructions. You expect mercy and compassion, but you flaunt the instructions of Christ. Not fair at all.