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ocnovakmichael:
Brother it was not stated specifically but it was infered in the book of Mark

Mark 1:4-5
[4]John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[5]And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Notice that text says, "And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized..."

It is plausible and could be infered from that text that that thief was baptized of John before his death on the cross

Good. I agree

Judolisco:
For by grace you have been saved through faith… not of works.... Ephesians 2:8–9
That's why I asked is baptism a prerequisite for making heaven? Who baptised the criminal on the cross?

Again, my guy, you are of the school of thought that as long as there is grace, you can flaunt the instructions of Christ. Jesus Christ clearly taught that everyone who believes should be baptized, but you are saying it isn't needed. Again, I ask, should we believe you or do we believe Jesus Christ?

Mark 16:15-16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...

Judolisco:
jesus didn't make it a prerequisite... Who baptised d criminal on d cross? ....or was jesus also lying when he said he'll be in paradise with him?
God cannot lie....

A few things here.
Let's first check the bible to know if baptism is a prerequisite.
John 3:5"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God
Mark 16:16, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved
So, you lied; it is clearly a prerequisite.

Now over to the thief. How do you know he was never baptized? I know many kids who were baptized but grew up to be bad. In the gospel of Jesus Christ, we don't discover the truth by guesswork. You don't know if the thief was baptized or not, so stick to what you know.
I hope I have answered your questions.

Now to my own question. Please, how do you know that the thief was born of the spirit and received the Holy Ghost?

femi4:
What about the thief that was crucified? How would you defend that...except you want to tell me that you can baptized the dead

Please state how you know the thief was never baptized? I know some bad boys who have been baptized. I really need to know how you came upon the knowledge that the thief was never baptized

Judolisco:
For by grace you have been saved through faith… not of works.... Ephesians 2:8–9
That's why I asked is baptism a prerequisite for making heaven? Who baptised the criminal on the cross?

If you are saved through grace according to your understanding of that verse, then you don't need to be born of the Spirit to be saved, grace with just do it all for you. Secondly, you make Jesus Christ a liar because He said that baptism is a prerequisite for making heaven. Should we believe Jesus Christ or do we believe you?

femi4:
That’s because baptism of the Holy Spirit isn't a physical demonstration

So when did he baptise the thief that was crucified with water?

Baptism of th

Yes, I agree with you, it is not physical, even though we have the fruits of the spirit that everyone can see or observe. That's why you don't know if the woman was baptized in the Spirit or not. So just as you don't have any evidence of water baptism, you have none of her being born of the Spirit. Same thing for the thief on the cross.

So you would rather argue on the grey areas (the things you don't know). You don't know if the thief or the woman was baptized or if they received the Holy Ghost or not.
But you refuse to believe the black and white (the very clear truths). Jesus Christ clearly said that you can't enter His kingdom without baptism. No argument here.
Do you see your problem? You argue over things you don't know instead of accepting what you know.

femi4:
So what happened to the thief on the cross n the woman that was saved by faith?

Jesus forgot to baptized them with water?

And you know the thief was never baptized because?

Judolisco:
I've updated the post, u quoted... Pls read it again sir...

Do you understand the meaning of the word fulfill? It means to bring to pass, to make something happen. E.g., I fulfilled my dream of being a doctor. Baptism is needed to bring to pass all righteousness. If you are not baptized following the example of Jesus Christ, you will not bring to pass all righteousness. Hope you understand the statement now?

Racoon:
Nice one for them. No wonder the were better countries comparable to those colonized. Ethiopia has the oldest and biggest carrier in the whole African continent - Ethiopian with many A380 in its fleet.

The unfortunate ones conquered by the western imperialists were simply exploited and treated as their fiefdom vassals with political crisis in their aftermath.

The US was colonized, no wonder the great Ethiopia is much more developed

Judolisco:
why are you mentioning catholics.... Baptism is to fulfil all righteousness according to jesus meaning it's not a prerequisite to make heaven....the most important thing is to be born again

How do you understand language. Baptism is to fulfill all righteousness, which means that without baptism, righteousness cannot be fulfilled.
Even Jesus Christ, with no sin, needed to be baptized to fulfill righteousness. What can you learn from that?

femi4:
Baptism of the spirit doesn't need water...what evidence are you looking for

Yes, it doesn't need water, so do you have any evidence that she was baptized in the Spirit? The answer is no, you don't know if she was baptized of the Spirit. You assume, but you don't know.

Now, let me say something very controversial, I am sure you would not agree with me. Every instruction and commandment Jesus Christ gave us will lead us to the Kingdom of God, and disobedience to any will prevent us from entering the kingdom unless we repent.
The instruction to baptize was not just a nice but needless suggestion. It was the word of God to man. We live by every word that proceeded from His mouth.

I understand you prefer to look out for people whom you think somehow made it to His kingdom without obeying His words. But me, I rather obey instead of looking for excuses.

prinsam30:
I don't need to explain anything to u, all the explanations giving to u by other
commenters ur still arguing with them so why will I add my own and u will still get confuse, abeg make we live am like that ooo

Young man, I understand you have a pressing need to contribute but not every discussion is meant for everyone. Now you are more of a distraction. Please give way to those who are taking the effort to teach from the bible and explain the Christian doctrine so we all can be enlightened. Allow the intelligent people, that way, even you can learn if you humble yourself.
Just take it easy you hear. Don't contribute anymore unless you are doing so from the word of God.
Thanks
Will love.

femi4:
This woman got saved without evidence of water baptism. She got saved right there

2 things, you said, no evidence of water baptism but that doesn't mean she did not get baptized just because you did not see any evidence.
Again in her story, there was no evidence of baptism of the spirit. So according to your doctrine, one would not need to be born of the spirit because the woman you mentioned showed no evidence of being born of the spirit.
Do you now understand how wrong you have been.
Let's go back to gospel fundamentals. The Savoir said you cannot enter His kingdom if you are not baptized. It goes for you as well as the woman in the verses you quoted.

prinsam30:
My friend go and read ur Bible buh this time in a more calmly manner, stop quoting the Bible out of context pls

Nairaland boys the moment someone calls out your falsehoods using the bible, you start to claim the person was not calm. I assure you, I was very calm.
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Again you claim I quoted out of context. Over to you, explain what Jesus Christ meant when He said that no man can enter the kingdom of God if he is not born by water.

gohf:
baptized in what? Cele water or living water?

The choice is yours. Remember, there is also Sapele water.

femi4:
Be careful how you interprete his words. You certainly doesn't have the right interpretation.

Lk 7 : 48 -

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Please can you show how these verses have anything to do with our discussion? No need of distractions the question is not if Christ can forgive din, it is if baptism is needed for salvation and according to our Saviour, the answer is capital yes. But to you, the Saviour is wrong.
Jesus Christ Himself has no son yet He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness so even with the woman saved from her sin, she still has not fulfilled all righteousness. She most definitely needed baptism to enter the kingdom of God.

femi4:
Was the thief beside Jesus on the cross born of water

I don't know, it was not stated but all I know is that Christ doesn't lie. If He says without baptism you can't enter His kingdom, I believe Him. I have no need to believe you over Him.

Mark 16:16 – “lHe that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

D4gmail1:
Stop sharing knowledge about what something you are less knowledgeable about.

Baptism has not spiritual significance in anyway. It is a ritual done in the old days to show submission to a school of taught (What you call admission today). It is usually done by teachers who are accepting new students who wants to learn in the line of their master teacher. This is why John the Baptist baptised. This is why Jesus was baptised because he submited to John's school.

Fast forward to today, Baptism is not longer needed because of way of schooling and learning has changed. We now have admission instead of baptism.

How would you think the creator of the Universe (think of the stars and the far planets beyond us) would care about how some person in a tiny dot called Earth should immerse themself in water before he is one with them? It is the hight of foolishness and delusion.

Well, if you believe the words of Jesus Christ, you will have a mighty change of heart. He says, except a man is born of water and the Holy ghost, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Jesus Christ doesn't lie. I admonish you to believe Christ.

femi4:
Water baptism is good but not mandatory.

There were more emphasis on holy ghost baptism by the apostle especially in a scenario where water baptism couldn't be conducted

Except a man be born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. It is mandatory for anyone hoping to enter the kingdom of God. Christ doesn't lie.

DeepSight:
How is this false?

Is Barack Obama a white man?

So I have to explain to you that such a mixed race person is obviously neither fully black nor fully white?

Nah wah oh.

Oga if you say that Obama is not black your fellow leftists will eat you up and you are completely wrong.
Obama is a black man. He remains the first black president of the US. Please just Google who was the first black president of the US. Then come back and thank me.

Now to you point, if I am from Enugu and my wife is from Aba, according to you, my kids are neither fully from Aba or from Enugu.

So the only get half rights in my village in Enugu. Please make it make sense.

DeepSight:
Please pause a minute. You cant be serious. Or there is a real problem here. This is a matter of genetics we are discussing. And to a limited extent, rights, and I will explain that part from a legal angle. But lets start from genetics.

First and foremost, just to be clear no, your kids are never to be denied their FULL rights as Igbos and also their FULL rights as (wherever your wife comes from). Just to let you get that straight. But here is the simple genetics of the matter. And this is science, not emotion:

If a full Yoruba Man marries a Full Chinese Woman, their Child will be half Yoruba and half Chinese by blood/ ancestry. This is incontrovertible. Do you deny this? You cant unless there is something seriously wrong with you. Or are you saying the child will be ONLY Yoruba or ONLY Chinese by blood/ ancestry? Thats utter nonsense. No, he is half Yoruba, half Chinese. Mixed race, if you prefer that term.

Now if he marries a full Indian, their child will be one quarter Yoruba, and one quarter Chinese and half Indian.

Now is that child marries a full Spaniard, their child will be one eighth Yoruba, One eighth Chinese, One Quarter Indian and half Spaniard.

And on and on it goes like that, and this is what I was describing by dilution.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RACIST ABOUT DESCRIBING THIS NATURAL PROCESS WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY OFF YOUR R/OCKERS!

if such inter-marriage continues especially over extended periods, the per centage imprint of some ancestors will be so diminished as to be intangible.

For heavens sake when you do DNA Ancestry Tests, they give you percentages of your genetic ancestry in like manner - and what on Earth is racist about that! It looks like you have become utterly emotional about this conversation and your determination to brand every simple thing I say as racist. This is just normal or do you also want to say that the results of DNA Ancestry tests which break down percentages as above are also racist? Wetin dey do you?

Now moving on to the matter of rights. Its a matter of the laws of each country. Most countries limit citizenship up to at least one grand-parent, some go as far as a great grand-parent or two, but hardly any ever goes beyond that. I am sure perhaps only Israel with its right of return laws and perhaps a few others do that. I am talking about citizenship based on ancestry here. There are other types - such as citizenship based on birthplace, naturalization, registration, marriage or even by award. So I trust you understand.

So calm down, your direct kids, even grand kids will always have full legal rights as your descendant. And they should also, from wherever your wife is from, and her parents as well.

I hope you get it now.

Stop throwing tantrums.

Oga, come to think of how racist you are becoming. There is beginning to be very little difference between how you sound and how Hitler sounded about race. For someone so obsessed with race, you have become the very thing you claim to fight against.
You have become the black Hitler, talking about the dilution of race just as Hitler did. He would be very proud of you.
Hitler, like you, believed that mixing with other races would lead to decline.
In Mein Kampf, he wrote that all great cultures of the past had perished because the original creative race had become corrupted through mixing with other races.
He saw racial purity as a matter of natural law, comparing it to breeding in animals, saying that strong breeds decline when “mixed” with weaker ones.
This is what your hatred for the Jews has made you become.

CoronaVirusPro:
They are fake Caucasian Jews with stolen identity. With common sense, you can easily tell they are not creations of God.

Revelation 2:9

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Oya na continue to use your common sense to fight a war that is already over. And you already lost.

Dpsychologist:
Swipe left. Swipe right. Repeat.

For every one genuine-looking profile on Tinder, you’ll find fifteen more selling something — a fantasy, a body, or a lifestyle. Let’s be honest: what used to be a dating app has quietly evolved into a digital marketplace.

A guy once said, laughing,

“Bro, na hookup site be dating site now.”

And he’s right.

Because these days, “Let’s hang out” usually translates to “Pay to play.” Conversations that used to start with “What’s your favorite movie?” now begin with “What can you offer?”

The romance has been replaced by negotiation.
The affection, by transaction.
And the connection? Well, that’s usually temporary — gone as soon as the bank alert hits.

Hookup culture has flooded the streets — and the screens — so badly that genuine dating feels like a lost art. Everyone’s performing; few are connecting.
You’ll see bios that say “No hookups” but read like price lists in disguise.

It’s a strange new world where beauty is currency, and emotions are collateral. People are no longer dating — they’re bartering.

And yet, no one seems surprised.

Maybe it’s because we all secretly know that the line between “dating” and “deal-making” has long disappeared. What we’re left with is a culture where affection has a price tag and love has become a luxury item few can afford.

So the next time someone says,

“There are no real dating sites anymore…”

Don’t argue. Just smile and ask,
“Who did this to us?”

Do you want a real relationship!? Don't go searching online. Learn to build and relate with the people you have contact with. Learn to increase your network of people. Make every encourage meaningful and impactful.
It's that simple.

DeepSight:
I wasn't denying that either. Recently you appear to be eager to misread me every time.

Because you are on a mission to cartoonize me.

I have no mission against you.

DeepSight:
What you are saying is just like saying that Nigeria would not exist without Britain.

Yes, true for the mere legal contraption called Nigeria.

But false for the many ancient tribes, nations, kingdoms and people which constitute Nigeria.

His point was simple: Israel would not be anything militarily without the backing of the USA. Do you deny that?

I don't know where you get your news from but without the military power of the Brits and Americas, Jordan, Saudi, Syria and more wouldn't have ne liberated from the ottoman empire in ww2. On the other hand, in the 1948 war, the Jordanian were both trained an equiped by the British.
Please know your history before typing. It helps safe our time.

DeepSight:
Please pause a minute. You cant be serious. Or there is a real problem here. This is a matter of genetics we are discussing. And to a limited extent, rights, and I will explain that part from a legal angle. But lets start from genetics.

First and foremost, just to be clear no, your kids are never to be denied their FULL rights as Igbos and also their FULL rights as (wherever your wife comes from). Just to let you get that straight. But here is the simple genetics of the matter. And this is science, not emotion:

If a full Yoruba Man marries a Full Chinese Woman, their Child will be half Yoruba and half Chinese by blood/ ancestry. This is incontrovertible. Do you deny this? You cant unless there is something seriously wrong with you. Or are you saying the child will be ONLY Yoruba or ONLY Chinese by blood/ ancestry? Thats utter nonsense. No, he is half Yoruba, half Chinese. Mixed race, if you prefer that term.

Now if he marries a full Indian, their child will be one quarter Yoruba, and one quarter Chinese and half Indian.

Now is that child marries a full Spaniard, their child will be one eighth Yoruba, One eighth Chinese, One Quarter Indian and half Spaniard.

And on and on it goes like that, and this is what I was describing by dilution.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RACIST ABOUT DESCRIBING THIS NATURAL PROCESS WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY OFF YOUR R/OCKERS!

if such inter-marriage continues especially over extended periods, the per centage imprint of some ancestors will be so diminished as to be intangible.

For heavens sake when you do DNA Ancestry Tests, they give you percentages of your genetic ancestry in like manner - and what on Earth is racist about that! It looks like you have become utterly emotional about this conversation and your determination to brand every simple thing I say as racist. This is just normal or do you also want to say that the results of DNA Ancestry tests which break down percentages as above are also racist? Wetin dey do you?

Now moving on to the matter of rights. Its a matter of the laws of each country. Most countries limit citizenship up to at least one grand-parent, some go as far as a great grand-parent or two, but hardly any ever goes beyond that. I am sure perhaps only Israel with its right of return laws and perhaps a few others do that. I am talking about citizenship based on ancestry here. There are other types - such as citizenship based on birthplace, naturalization, registration, marriage or even by award. So I trust you understand.

So calm down, your direct kids, even grand kids will always have full legal rights as your descendant. And they should also, from wherever your wife is from, and her parents as well.

I hope you get it now.

Stop throwing tantrums.

So you are confused as always. You claim that most countries limit citizenship to a certain generation and it is the right of each country. But you don't give that same right to the Jews to determine who is Jewish and who is not. What is wrong with you?

Elusive001:
That guy is in severe pains. You won't understand bros. You won't understand what bitterness is and what it can do.

All his hopes against israel has been dashed: iran, Hezbollah, hamas, Islamic Jihad, muslim brotherhood, houthis, ICC, UN, etc

I am just Afraid of what his bitterness and wickedness will lead him to.