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you can but other verses put in the lense of these, reveals them to be angels!
Satan is called a morning star🌟, he was mentioned as a cherub🤔. So, yes there's sample information to draw some inference.

Satan was not called a Son of God. I am sure the bible never referred to Satan as an Angel.

Jesus being called Son of God was used by his disciples, the Jewish context never ever expresses anyone as a Son of God! The part in Genesis when the generation of Seth began to seek the Lord and call themselves sons of God is an exception, probably due to Moses' first hand report.
Hence, context wise, those verse don't refer to men especially the one of Job. The verse in Genesis is still debatable.
Wrong again, Solomon was a son of God. Also, if your argument is that the old testament did not call any man a son of God, how come you don't extend the argument to Angels since you know that no where in both the old or the new testament were they called angels?

Heavenly beings in the Jewish context are termed Angels. The Jewish context doesn't have aliens😅, anything Extra terrestrial was classified as an heavenly being. This is expressly stated in the tanakh.

While it's "carnal wisdom" as you called it but it's the only answer the data suggests. The same way trinity was arrived upon by the available data. The historical context, Jewish context, doesn't warrant you imputing Sonship to men. That's why Jesus had to bring it up, by asking a rhetorical question, "how come they were called gods?"
Wrong again. The Jewish text never claimed that all heavenly beings are angels. Please prove your point.
In fact, cherubims in the old testament were never called angels.
The Bible treats cherubim as a distinct order of heavenly beings, not just another word for angels.

This is the major reason Jesus was killed—nothing less, nothing more. If the Jews had been so comfortable with humans bearing sons of God they won't have killed Jesus 🤨.[
You forget that Jesus reminded the Jews of their scriptures that declare men to be sons of God.
Let's read the Jewish scripture together.

John 10:34–36
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Summary
From reading the old and new testament, only man, not angels are referred to as Son of God.
Also there are other heavenly creatures such as Cherubim not only angels.

Gabrielshow24:
I am not guessing. From early Jewish context, men were not sons of God—They were sons of men. The appropriate word was servant etc.

The concept of "sons of God" was only applied to some certain heavenly beings, which could boast of direct inheritance from God.

While in the present church we are known as sons of God through Jesus Christ our Lord but at that time and context—No one was a son of God!

The context warrants such an intrepreation. You are looking at it with an anachronistic view, it's a chronological fallacy on your part. If it didn't apply to angels then it would have applied to gods but the general term heavenly beings, for accuracy is more befitting!

This doesn't change anything related to salvation but only brings clarity, if needed on such topics.

Wrong, Solomon was called the Son of God and God called the entire Israel his children. But no where did he call angels his Sons so there again you are wrong.
Now, let's assume that Sons of God as stated meant only heavenly beings, who decided that they are angels? You or God? My point is, stop making up scripture.
Below are some old testament/ Jewish scripture where God referred to man/men as his son's/ children.

Exodus 4:22–23
Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, “Israel is My son, My firstborn. So I said to you, ‘Let My son go that he may serve Me’...”

Deuteronomy 14:1–2
You are the children of the Lord your God. ... For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for Himself.

Hosea 11:1
When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son.

Isaiah 1:2
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth! For the Lord has spoken: “I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me.”

Psalm 82:6
I said, “You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High.”

2 Samuel 7:14 (God speaking about Solomon to David)
I will be his father, and he shall be My son

1 Chronicles 28:6 (David recounting God’s words about Solomon)
He said to me, ‘It is your son Solomon who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be My son, and I will be his father.’

Hosea 1:10
... in the place where it was said to them, “You are not My people,” there it shall be said to them, “You are sons of the living God.”

All these verses prove that your theory is false.

Gabrielshow24:
I am not depending on anything fits. Like I have said the bible is not unequivocal on angels. There are just glimpses of them here and there. The verses of "sons of God" have a context that doesn't fit man. The subjects or objects depending on the verse fit heavenly beings. Also, from scriptures angels/heavenly beings are called morning stars. The scriptural data suggests such an inference. Not me, scriptures. I am not making anything fit but rather relying on the bible to explain itself. Even from the tanakh, Jewish commentaries, sons of God were mostly used for angels, Jesus was crucified because he called himself a son of God🤔. Historical context along Jewish style and literature warrants such an interpretation.

Don't you see that all you do here is depend on human wisdom and not revealed truths?
Hope you know that angels are not the only heavenly beings? So Job could very easily have been referring to heavenly beings that are not angels.
As for genesis, it could very easily have been talking about human beings so why decide and teach according to canal wisdom.
I repeat again, no verse in the entire bible indicates directly or indirectly that angels are Sons of God. You need lots of scriptural gymnastics and even at that it still doesn't make sense.
In the bible, Son of God is only used in reference to Jesus Christ and Man. It fits much more to conclude that the phase as used in Genesis 6 was talking about man not angels. And yes the use in the phase on Job fits heavenly beings not necessarily angels.

Gabrielshow24:
Like I said before there's no sufficient data to conclude on this and biblical style only writes on important things, not extras.

Knowing such details is not important to salvation, it just brings clarity. Jesus said there are so many things(heavenly) that he can't tell them(disciples) because even earthly things they have not known. I am typing quickly hence my write-up will feel rushed...bear with me, by evening I should have proper time to address your concerns.

The same questions you posed can be said of men😅. I think Jesus made it clear that all must deny themselves, context in the case is man, I do believe such wisdom is applicable to Angels hence the more reason why the bible highlighted "fallen angels" that went out of their way. Overall, he that hath God has everything and his fulfilled.

Your first paragraph was very powerful and it has the answer to all these. Let me quote you.

no sufficient data to conclude on this and biblical style only writes on important things, not extras.
This is key. If angels are Sons of God, the bible did not say. No data so why guess? Please apply the wisdom to wrote here.

Gabrielshow24:
You are reaching. While yet it happened doesn't mean it still occur. Likewise the bible doesn't give an unequivocal statement about Angels gender but most of them from scripture are all masculine-esque in nature! This negates your allusions.

Angels are not men, they are generally expressed as heavenly beings. Although, the term angel, in the form of messenger, can be used upon a man.

Angels are not gays and there are no accounts of female angels👀 in the bible. All angels are perceived as male and biblical writers depicted them that way!

Again you said many things you don't know for sure. You claim that most angels are male, how do you know that? Guesswork?
Now you also claim to know the sexual orientation of angels. You said they are not gay and they have a thing for women meaning that you think they are straight. Again you depend on guesswork.
Lastly, if angels in heaven have an urge to have sex and we are taught that in heaven, angels are not married, that means from eternity to eternity, angels, (I mean the faithful ones) endure an unfulfilled desire.
Why will God have Sons, give them sex organs, give them a desire for sex and yet prohibit them eternally from sex. What is the use and need of their sex drive and hunger.
From your believe, it shows that in heaven there is no fullness of joy at least for angels because they have unfulfilled desires.
Does the theory even make sense?
Sir clearly, angels don't fit your profile.

Note
You don't know enough about angels to declare that most are male. In the entire bible, only 2 angels were named. Michael and Gabriel. That's not enough material to work with when making an emphatic declaration that most angels are male.

Gabrielshow24:
Yes, it does fit as I have subtly shown earlier, especially with kobojunkie😅, regarding the context of them—Such context align with angels except you shouted for your joy when God was creating the earth🤔👀?

So yes, it's not a "fill in the gap" but a declarative statement that doesn't "fit" man.

First, you have to show that angels are Sons of God in the first place but you have not. If you don't even know if angels are Sons of God how can you say they fit the profile?
The crazy thing here is that you are not depending on revelation but on guesswork. You are depending on anything you think fits. Human wisdom has never led to eternal truths. Using your methods, a 100 things will go wrong.
In summary, learn to depend on revelation and not what you think fits or not.

Gabrielshow24:
There are places where the context fits angelic beings. Job and Genesis comes to mind—Genesis 6:2, 6:4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, and Job 38:7. You might have a preferred disposition to such verses. Let us know what you think.

Not in any of these verses did the context fit angels. I don't think guesswork should be the standard for understanding scripture.
Just because the bible did not indicate who the Sons of God in these verses were doesn't mean we should guess and fill in the gap. As Christians we live by revelation not guesswork or the opinions of men.
It is an abomination to add to the word of God. We don't do that.

Gabrielshow24:
Books of Enoch—1,2 and 3. It's considered apocryphal by protestants.

I am not a protestant and it is not in the bible we all agree upon so let's just say, this incident of angels having sex is only for protestants.
Now are angels men?
Do we also have gay angels?
We're there no female angels who got pregnant for men?
Why did angels stop coming down to have sex. Have they become better at resisting women?

judewrites:
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
— Job 1:6

The sons of God here refers to angels.

My friend, I am not forcing you to believe my teaching, if you don't believe, it's your cup of tea. It's a free world.

Besides, salvation is personal.

Don't push your opinion down people's throats.

Lol but you are the one preaching your opinion in place of the word of God.
In all the verses you presented, no where were angels called the sons of God.
So why are you intentionally teaching incorrect doctrine

judewrites:
Thanks for your contribution.

But the sons of God in Genesis 6 refers to the watchers, a group of angels sent to observe mankind as at that time.

They choose to rebel against God by mixing with women, thus producing giants that were blood thirsty.

However, to this hour, a lot of demonic spirits still have sex with humans and produce Nephilim in the spiritual realm.

These Nephilim sometimes manifest physically as human beings, but there are not normal beings.

A lot of people today are Nephilim in disguise, but wearing human flesh!

Have you read the curse upon those who add their own teachings to God's word?

MaxInDHouse:
Where did the Bible says WATCHERS got enticed by women?
Who are angels that left their dwelling places? Jude 1:6

It is funny, both of you are teaching strange doctrines not found in the bible yet you ask him to show you where in the bible did whatever happen. Please mention one bible verse from Genesis to Revelation where angels are called Sons of God.
Again what gender are angels. Did any of them also sleep with the men? Did they have hormones? How did they acquire a taste for women in particular?
This teaching is very foolish.

judewrites:
It's was never written than satan tempted these angels...

They acted on their own volition!

It was first their leader who suggested it and offered to be the sole scapegoat if God punished them.

However they all took an oath and vowed to suffer together any punishment for their involvement with women.

You should write your own bible. None of these things are found in the scriptures. Please tell us your source.

judewrites:
Our physical minds can't fully comprehend spiritual things....

If God's WORD says it happened, who are we to question the Word of God?

God's word never said angels slept with women. It is a false addition by corrupt men. Please do not add or subtract from God's word. Never in the bible were angels refered to as the Sons of God.

judewrites:
📖 Genesis 6
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¹ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

² That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


The 'sons of God' in this scripture was a reference to a special set of 200 angels who presented themselves to God's service (Job 1: 6)

God appointed these angels known as the watchers to carefully observe the first race of mankind.

However the angels motivated by Samyaza their leader, betrayed God's trust by taking human wives and fathering giants with them known as the Nephilim.

Not just that, these angels taught mankind forbidden knowledge which provoked iniquity like weaponology, astrology, cosmetology, enchantments, magic, etc.

It was primarily because of the intermingling of these angels that God engulfed the earth with water: their offsprings (the Nephilim) polluted the earth with excessive bloodshed; they consumed animals, humans and eventually even themselves.

📖 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
— Jude 1:6

Despite desperate pleas for forgiveness, God imprisoned these angels deep underneath the earth in absolute darkness awaiting the white throne judgement. (Revelations 20:11-15)

What initially prompted these angels was their lustful desire for beautiful women.

Today, as a result of looking lustfully at women, (especially through pornography) a lot of men have fallen into all kinds of sexual sin that brings divine judgement.

As a man, you should be careful how you look at a woman (and vice versa) as lust is equivalent to adultery. (Matthew 5:28)

God didn't spare these angels as they willingly chose to disobey Him notwithstanding the consequences. (2 Peter 2:4)

If we continually choose to disobey God especially in sexual misconduct, we might end up as these angels. God forbid 🙏.

The marriage bed was, is and will remain undefiled. (Hebrews 13:4)

(Culled from the book of Enoch)

False doctrine, angels did not sleep with daughters of men. No where in the bible were angels refered to as Sons of God. Please teach the correct doctrine as found in the scriptures.

God1000:
Madonna’s message is powerful and compassionate. Calling on global faith leaders to act in times of crisis is exactly what we need now. Every effort to protect innocent lives, especially children, matters.


Israeli supporters in Nigeria should go and block Pope Francis from entering Gaza

Nlfpmod

The pope is free to enter Gaza; no one is stopping him, and no one is stopping Israel from destroying Hamas and taking over Gaza

Lazy9jaYouth:
- The maintenance cost for the state built airport is relatively affordable
- Asking China to build an airport rather than using Tax-Payer's fund has implications:
(1) China get total control
(2) China get ROI
(3) China dictates affairs of the management

The maintenance cost of any airport is extremely high. You are talking to someone who knows .
Again do you understand how businesses even work? If China builds, they pay tax to you and they take care of all cost. Yes they get return on investment but then pubic money is not involved in case it is a lose.
And about the management, what is wrong with owner of a property dictating it's affairs? If you build a hotel, does government dictate how it should be run? Let those that build dictate how it should be run. Your governor's have zero experience in running aviation so why should they dictate how an airport is run.

AlphaTaikun:
I didn't want to respond to this BUT I'm ONLY gonna do it so that others with short attention spans are not misinformed by your post.

STOP asking me "highly irrelevant" questions here! Go back and read the article again which CLEARLY states that it was a "targeted attack" as confirmed by the Israelis themselves against 1 journalist with alleged links to Hamas.

Paying attention to little details before leaping forward matters a lot. In my 20 years of using this discussion forum, I've seen a few like you overreacting to thread topics. You must learn to read properly BEFORE spewing insulting and baseless comments against others. Period.

Oga I asked a small question and you wrote an entire article. Honestly, Nigerians are going through a lot

XXLDICK:
He isn't a terrorist. Israel took him out because he was seen as a threat to them for exposing their atrocities in Gaza.

He was threaten to be killed by the IDF since last year because he kept exposing them.

His father was killed by the IDF in Nov 2023

Now they successfully eliminated him and labelled him a member of Hamas without any evidence to back it up.

He was a hero.

You guys ehh. Always in the business of making up stories. You have a very good imagination.

maasoap:
When will the world hold this nation of terrorists responsible for their atrocities including mass killings, targeted killings, mass destruction of buildings and mass starvation

When you become the president. When would we hold you responsible for spreading falsehood online.

AlphaTaikun:
That was a targeted assasination on a lone journalist BUT the unintended consequences was the taking down of 4 more totally innocent journalists!

How do you know it was targeted? Are you are military personnel. Where you at the scene? Or you are just another irrelevant rumour mill?

Watcharena:
BBC and CNN are also biased in their reportings are they also terrorists

Ok so you know they are biased

DeepSight:
It would be ethnic cleansing.

PS: Listen, lets try to have respectful conversations going forward.

i'd really like to see the other point of view.

Thanks.

Lol
Those are just words. And honestly, they don't mean so much in this case let me tell you why.
I have not heard you or any other Hamas fanboy discuss the ethnic cleansing that happened to Jews in Arab land in the 50s. The UN was silent, so telling me that sending the Arabs to live with their brothers is wrong shows that there are 2 standards, one for Jews and one for Palestinians.
When it happens to the Jews, it's just another Tuesday but when it's the Palestinians, it is ethnic cleansing.
Note. Jews have lived in places like Iraq long before the Arabs until the 50s.
Good night.

DeepSight:
What do you suggest the Palestinians do now, or where you suggest they should live.

Great question.
They have rejected a 2 state solution at least 4 times now.
Hope you know that Trump proposed a 2 state solution in 2020 which they rejected without even negotiating. The Arab world is 600 times the size of Israel. Let their Arab brothers keep the promise they made to them in 1948. Let the Arab world absolve them the way Israel absorbed all Jews that were ejected from the Arab world in the 40s and 50s.
You and I know that this will bring peace to that land but something tells me that you wouldn't support it.

Throwback:
Which war did the Palestinians lose that led to the creation of Israel in 1948?
And how is a refugee tribe seeking a place of succor the rightful owner of Palestine?

Who is the rightful owner of France, of England, of Egypt, of Australia, of USA?

The War of 1948. You can call the Israelis refugees but now we know who the refugees are. Would you say that because almost every Palestine is a refugee today that the land isn't theirs? So why apply a different law when it comes to Israel?

Daniel058:
. Haven't you ever read Proverb 19vs 17

Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward them for what they have done"

I have but I have never been kind toy friends because of Proverbs 19.17. I have only been kind because I love them.
Remember, your argument is that we follow God for what we would gain. I don't show kindness to friends for what I would gain. I don't love my parents for what I would gain. I do these for other reasons.

DeepSight:
There were other people there as well right from Biblical times, even before the Jews and like Throwback pointed out, the Jews only occupied the space by "biblical genecides."

As usual, your argument is shallow. You want us to do the impossible, to trace the descendants of those who lived in the land before Israel. But what do we have? We have more than enough record of the Jews, who lived in that land so why is it a big deal to return their land to them with an apology letter. Why shouldn't the Jews occupy the West Bank?
Again, if the argument is that since the land was taken from the Jews, they have lost their right to it, then apply the same to the foolish Palestinians. Do they still have rights to the land after they lost it in war to the rightful owner?

Daniel058:
I'm very sorry for Calling you a liar, please forgive me 🙏.

The Bible say you should honour your father and mother that your days may be long, it's also their right to be taken care of by you, because they had done that too you, they brought you into this world,took care of your need till you are old enough to be taking care of yourself . You see,You have something to gain by taking care of them.

Yes the bible says we should honour our parents but I really don't go back to that verse before I give honour to my parents. My only motivation is love. I have never thought about the blessings I would get before giving them honour. I can bet you that humans were honouring their parents before the 10 commandments were given. Many of us just do it out of love not because it is written.
I have friends that I help once in a while, I don't do it because I expect any reward. I do it because I love them.
Now don't you think there are some people out there who obey God more out of love than because they seek a blessing?

Daniel058:
You are lieing, knowing that your parents That Been taking care of you is even enough to obey them all your life.. why are you not following satan if you are not there for what you hope to gain?

Right now, I am the one who gives finance to them not the other way round. My only motivation is love not gain. Calling me a lier is going too far. You are assuming that you know me and you know my motives. That to me is arrogant, ignorance, and disrespectful.
There are 8 billion people on earth, assuming that you understand the motives of all 8 billion of us is reckless.

Daniel058:
over all you are following because you hope to gain , you can argue but you know the truth

Clearly, my point meant nothing to you. You keep repeating your talking point not minding the dimension I introduced. This way, we can't communicate.

AntiChristian:
MOST animals follow One another for what they'll gain!

We obey the creator and follow Him to gain His approval in both worlds!

That is a great reason to follow God. In fact, that's why we preach to others, to tell them of the rewards that come from living the gospel. But as our relationship with God grows, we follow Him out of love more than out of gain.
That way, we are not discouraged even when we feel the blessings are not forthcoming.

Daniel058:
Why do people Keep lieing that they don't follow God for what they will gain? Who are they trying to deceive?
Anyone following God is doing so because of what they are gaining/what they expect to gain.

Talk for yourself sir. I don't obey my parents because I expect something from them. I obey them because I love them and I have a relationship with them. If one has the right relationship with God, you no longer follow for profit, you follow out of love.

Brendaniel:
I've not really had any experience recently but I have heard testimonies of others...

It seems you live in a place where roadside preaching is not practiced.
Anyway I was hoping you will share a testimony, yours or someone else's to inspire us on the power of roadside preaching.