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DeepSight:
You didnt show me jack beyond joking around with a comical but distasteful absurdty.

Human beings. Una dey try. You have become a specialist is defecting blame. As I told you earlier, this is a game to you. The Palestinians mean nothing to you. They are just a tool in your blame game against Israel. You will continue to look for articles upon articles and videos upon videos that side with you.

DeepSight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iasa4Anfccw

It is funny that you are still on this. Even after I showed you how you and the rest of you are the problem, you are still bent on making Israel the bad guy here. I will watch your video but here is a video you should watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8bkqqvoGpc?si=0PGXxPITywBqlJgf

DeepSight:
Noted. I'll pass. Good morning.

Lol.
Oga face your guilt.
Ask yourself, did your actions and that of many like you make it impossible for women and children to find safety?
You say you did it to protect the land so ask yourself, do you value human life at all?
After answering these questions, do you think you are a hypocrite for continuing to attack Israel when you have much more blood on your hands?

CleverStudent:
This visa issue will affect many people. Nigerians, let's join our hands together to build our own country.

It is impossible for the citizens to build the country when the government is actively destroying it.

Silasworld:
USA shakara is becoming too much. People should just boycott traveling to USA

Yes, let them come to Lagos instead of US.

DeepSight:
I'll pass. Thank you.

Oga, your guilt would not save you. You need to accept the consequence of your actions
You stood with the group that closed the doors of safety on women and children for the purpose of politics.

DeepSight:
I mentioned three cities and besides Israel had crossed that mark long long ago, we are not talking of two years. Most importantly, do you know the size of Gaza? Do you know how tiny it is? And yet it has received more than the German blitz on London. Look I dont want to be drawn back into this, your comments last night were repugnant enough to make me feel physically sick, and I am not exxagerating.

Oga are you thinking? Don't you know that the Germans would have done more if they could? The royal air force made their jobs very hard.
The comparison you made makes no sense.

You can choose to be physically sick by my comments if you like but that only means that the truth makes you sick.

You happily encouraged the closing of Egypt's border to women and children knowing the consequence. I gave you a chance to explain and you replied that Russia did it too.

I will not stop remaining you with every opportunity I have that you and others like you are the cause of the greatest tragedy of this century. The tragedy of forcing women and children to remain in a war zone.

DeepSight:
This is an upside down view of what happened. Who told you Palestinians are insisting that their family remain, which is the analogy you are giving. You are ignoring the ones shooting at them and blaming the neighbours who have locked their door, forgetting that the bigger doors are locked by the one shooting at them.

You callously ignore the instance when Israel directed civilians to leave to southern Gaza / Rafah and then went there to bomb them when they were cornered there.

More weight in bombs on that tiny strip than London, Hamburg and Dresden during WW2 and you are still blaming the neighbours.

I can't stomach this, let's forget it. As I said I will call you to the racism thread.

You spoke about Dresden Yesterday. Now, let's get some education about Dresden. The bombing of Dresden lasted for just 3 days (February 13–15, 1945) during World War II. So you are dishonest to compare 2 years of fighting to 3 days of bombing.

In Dresden, about 25,000 people were killed in just 3 days. That is an average of above 8,300 souls lost each day. In Gaza, the daily average is 90 deaths per day.

Dresden was not a genocide, but somehow, Gaza is?
Do you see why you lack integrity?

DeepSight:
They are the ones shooting. They are the ones occupying a people. They are the ones bombing.

Again I ask, if your wife, mother and kids were in Gaza, would you have insisted that Egypt close their gates on them? Answer honestly.

But as long as you have no skin in the game, this is ok.
If it did not happen, how else would you blame Israel for genocide.

DeepSight:
They are the ones shooting. They are the ones occupying a people. They are the ones bombing.

I repeat, you and everyone like you has a hand in the death of every Palestinian that would have been saved by moving to Egypt.

DeepSight:
This is an upside down view of what happened. Who told you Palestinians are insisting that their family remain, which is the analogy you are giving. You are ignoring the ones shooting at them and blaming the neighbours who have locked their door, forgetting that the bigger doors are locked by the one shooting at them.

You callously ignore the instance when Israel directed civilians to leave to southern Gaza / Rafah and then went there to bomb them when they were cornered there.

More weight in bombs on that tiny strip than London, Hamburg and Dresden during WW2 and you are still blaming the neighbours.

I can't stomach this, let's forget it. As I said I will call you to the racism thread.

I never said that Palestinians are insisting that their families remain. I am saying that you and others like you are insisting that their families remain. You are insisting that they become land shields to somehow prevent Israel from winning like the Russian did.

Yes civilians have been killed. Israel's logistics have many times been messed up. This is called war. But people like you knew all these and insisted that the Palestinians are not allowed to live. You say you are protecting the land with civilian bodies.

You saw more weight in bombs on that tiny strip than London, Hamburg and Dresden during WW2 and you made it impossible for the Palestinians to escape it. Are you a monster?

DeepSight:
They are the ones shooting. They are the ones occupying a people. They are the ones bombing.

Oga take responsibility. You are the ones that prevented all civilians from finding safety. You blocked their only safe border.

You are everyone like you have a hand in every death that could have been prevented if the Palestinians just moved to Egypt

DeepSight:
I dont think I can stomach this conversation with your statements. You have said many intolerable things, but this one I cant deal with.
I will see you when I open the racism and oppression thread.

A big focus for me will be your bizzarre claim that neo-colonialism is imaginary. Shows how far gone you are, but we will address it - not for you - but for others.

60,000 deaths could have been prevented but if we did, how can we blame Israel? I understand it's very comfortable to put the blame on Israel even when this was all you ever wanted.

DeepSight:
I dont think I can stomach this conversation with your statements. You have said many intolerable things, but this one I cant deal with.
I will see you when I open the racism and oppression thread.

A big focus for me will be your bizzarre claim that neo-colonialism is imaginary. Shows how far gone you are, but we will address it - not for you - but for others.

Put yourself in other's shoes. You mean if there was a fight for land between your community and another, you will insist that your wife and kids remain even unto death?

We know you wouldn't. But Palestine women and children are good to go so we can come online to accuse Israel.

DeepSight:
I dont think I can stomach this conversation with your statements. You have said many intolerable things, but this one I cant deal with.
I will see you when I open the racism and oppression thread.

A big focus for me will be your bizzarre claim that neo-colonialism is imaginary. Shows how far gone you are, but we will address it - not for you - but for others.

If you gave me the answer that you didn't expect civilians to die in the war, I would have called you naive but I could still understand.

But you answer is that the Russians forced 30 million unharmed, defenseless people to die in WW2 and that is the template you choose to follow.

My brother, you have blood on your hands. And that is the only genocide here.

DeepSight:
Your problem is truly deep. You say you have never seen a time in history where people chose land over life? You have to be joking for sure. Because almost every defensive war in history is a case of people choosing land over life. People lay down their lives for their land and country ALL the time. Are you seriously suggesting that the natural reaction to an invasion is to run away and give way to the invader? Sorry that has not been the reaction of most people throughout history - their natural reaction for the most part has been to fight to the death rather than surrender to an oppressive invader. Do you know how many Russians died to push back Hitler in his search for "living space" on Russian land? Amost 30 million people! Andy kept coming.

But now I am begnning to get genuinely frightened. Beacuse the fact that you can turn your eyes away from the aggressor and look to other nations and begin to blame them for the genocide because they didnt open their borders (a thing that would have played into the hands of the aggressor), is just chilling. It makes me feel cold chills over my body. I had hopes that we could have a balanced converstaion but this statement alone has dissauaded me. You are willing to gloss over those who have dumped more weight in bombs on that tiny strip than was dumped on London, Hamburg and Dresden combined during the second world war. You are willing to praise these ones as "humanitarian" and condemn Egypt as the one responsible for the genocide.

I am sorry but with such an attitude I dont think our discussions will be useful.

No you started with a lie. I have seen people choose their lands over death but I have never seen people being forced by others to die to protect the land. Do you get me now?

And yes, the natural reaction to war is for civilians to move out and find safety. We call them refugees. We have them in every war.

Are you saying that defenseless Russian pushed back the Nazi? Are you saying that Stalin prevented unharmed Russian civilians from moving out of danger? If yes, is that also your standard. You mean that somehow, the tables were turned against the Germans because of unharmed and defenseless Russian? Please I honestly don't know, educate me on that.

We do not measure genocide by comparing the number of bombs dropped on London, Hamburg and Dresden. But we measure genocide by knowing civilians would die and blocking your borders to them.

I asked you, would you prevent people in Benue communities from living their lands so the Fulani can occupy? Answer this honestly.

You claim that Israel is commiting a genocide and you believe it's better to give them access to all the people they are planning to kill so that you can stop them? Make that make sense.

How isn't this a tragedy? Oh, I forgot, Stanley did it.

I am accusing you and all the people with this mindset of commiting the genocide, not Israel and not even Hamas.

You hate Israel more than you love the people of Gaza.

DeepSight:
Your view is very one sided and just as you say that with people like Mehdi, Israel is always wrong, with people like you Palestine is always wrong, if it even should exist at all.

There is a clear reason why Arab States will not admit Palestinians and it is because that would amount to handing over the rest of Palestine to Israel and represent the final victory of Zionism with its agenda of ethnic cleansing. Someone like Trump said that he wanted Gazans to leave Gaza for him to build "Trump Gaza" there and even callously shared a musical video with his gold statues in Gaza. That is what is callous - not the words of a sensible person of conscience and integrity like Norman Finkelstein.

If Egypt opened its borders at the height of the slaughter, Gaza will empty into Egypt and Israel will seize it permanently, along with the USA.

Oh, by the way, I just smiled when I saw you write that less than five per cent of Trumpists want people to "go back to Africa." You are drinking Kool Aid my friend, you are wearing rose-tinted glasses. You are deeply, deeply lost in this matter, far far out at sea and unable to see the reality right in front of you.

1. Let me first ask you, if you were the Prime minister of Israel, would you have refused to rescue your people because of the risk of civilians dying. Please answer honestly so we can know the kind of person Mehdi Hassan is.


2. Let's talk about the great tragedy of not given the people of Gaza refuge. To me, this is the greatest evil of the 21st century so far. The decision to choose land over life.

You, Norman, and everyone hailing this as a great justice knew on October 8th that many innocent Palestinians would die as a result of the war. You all knew that death would be coming from their northern and eastern border. We all knew from every other war experience (We have been fighting wars for thousands of years now) that it is impossible for an army to invade a city without high civilian mortality. We accuse Hamas of using human shields but you all did the very same.

You felt it was better to choose the land over the people. I don't recall this ever happening in human history.

You did not even give the Palestinians the choice. I believe some of them might have choosen to die in the land. But you took that choice away from them and applauded while Egypt lock it's border..This action was the real genocide.

Why couldn't the people of Gaza decide for themselves if they choose to protect the land as you claim or if they choose a safe place?

The people of Afghanistan had Iran and Pakistan. The people of Sudan have Chad.

Imagine telling communities in Benue that they won't be granted refuge during Fulani attacks because that would amount to handing over the rest of their land to the Fulani.

I keep asking, are you guys after the welfare of the Palestinians or is this just about hating Israel.

To me, this remains the greatest and unspoken tragedy of our time.

Countless times, you have referred to Israelswar effort as a genocide. Now you are telling me that when genocide is being committed against a defenceless people, it is better to leave them in the land to be destroyed for fear that the genocidal army would take over the land without killing them? Is that your point? Because that is Norman's point.

DeepSight:
You mean you don't know Mehdi Hassan? Or Bassem Yousef?

I know everyone on your list, I only commented on my favorite. I have listened to each of them talk. Mehdi Hassan even went as far as condemning Israel's rescue of 4 hostages in June of last year because innocent Palestinians died in the crossfires. With men like Mehdi Israel is always wrong.
The comedian Bassem on the other hand blamed Israel because members of his family in Gaza could not attend his wedding in Egypt, forgetting that Gaza has a land border with Egypt. It's funny Egypt is never mentioned when talking about the open air prison.
And it is tragic that Egypt refused to give refuge to the people of Gaza and they were hail for it. Imagine how many lives would have been saved if Egypt opened it's doors to Gazans. To me, this is the biggest tragedy of this war. No one cares about the Gazans the only hate Israel. I heard Norman Finkelstein celebrating Egypt's refusal on a Candace Owens interview. He even mentioned that Egypt was promised billions of dollars by Biden's administration and the government of Israel but refused. Norman is one of the most callous human beings to appear on TV.

DeepSight:
I don't like the reference to influencers because I am not really the kind of person that is "influenced" easily. You can bear witness to that once you see my unorthodox views on existential, philosophical and religious matters. Nonetheless I will play along. I believe you should hear out the following people on this matter:

1. Norman Finkelstein (who is a Jewish Scholar himself)

2. Mehdi Hassan (Zeteo)

3. Dave Smith

4. Piers Morgan (who spent about the first one year or more of the "war" rigidly supporting Israel but has now switched in light of how far they have gone).

5. Abby Martin

6. Liam Cunningham

7. Bassem Youssef

8. Joe Rogan (he turned down Netanyahu's request for a session recently)

9. Cenk Uygur (TNT)

10. Francesca Albanese (U.N Special Rapporteur on Palestine).

Are you familiar with these people?

If you need links just search for these people's pages on YouTube or ask me and I will send.

Did you ever see the debate between Dave Smith and Douglas Murray on Joe Rogan?

Ps: Honourable and Post Humous Mentions -

Nelson Mandela

Bishop Desmond Tutu

Pope John Paul II

Pope Francis

Kwame Nkrumah

Mahatma Ghandi

Malcom X

Che Guevara

Muhammad Ali

- - - - - All supported the Palestinian Cause.

Norman Finkelstein, Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur are people I listen to but don't agree with. I think Norman is an idiot, just my opinion though.
The Joe Rogan experience is actually very neutral. He loves to ask questions not necessarily giving us his opinions.
Cenk Uygur believes eliminating the Yemen government that has prevented international trade on the Red Sea should be a war crime. I often listen to these guys to get a balanced view
I would find time to send you 5 to ten videos that express my opinion on the Israel/Palestine crisis. Hopefully today.

And you are right about those who supported the Palestine cause. But you know who did not support the Palestine cause? Hamas and the Palestinian people who kept refusing deal after deal and the opportunity to have their own nation rather preferring to be the world's most pampered refugees and embracing death and violence.

DeepSight:
The point is to show you how deeply racism and certain backward ideas have been drilled into even children from decades ago. These kids will be adults now, probably far right Trumpists and Zionist Supremacists who believe people like you should be sent back to Africa.

You are being very myopic here and you think the little video tells you all you need to know. I have met enough so called Trumpists and Zionists, no one wants to send blacks back to Africa. You would not find up to 5% of Trump voters with such a view. So just because you found some racist video shouldn't be the basics of deciding what Trump supporters think.
Anna of the TYT used to be like you. She used to think that Trump supporters are racists and evil until she began toeet them and know them. Again, it is prejudice to call people racist when you don't know them. How are you different from a racist if you have bad feelings towards others just because they don't share your political opinions?

DeepSight:
Its gonna be an epistle, beacuse there is so much to say to anyone who worships a race, such as you do.
Nonetheless, ahead of that, I would like you to take a look at this clip -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTmMSkwiysU

Can we do something really interesting? On the Israel Gaza conflict, give me links to the videos or writeups of some of your best influencers on the issue and I will give you 10 of mine and then we compare notes.

monteriza:
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While it's ok to have a great CV, it's more important to build trust in your advertising. You can't make the claim that you work on only 50 cvs a month to create scarcity and again claim to have worked on 10000 cvs since 2012. The 2 statements can't be true.
Again, I don't see you engaging to resolve the concerns people are putting up. Please discuss all the concerns and try convince us why we need to love-vendor up our CVs.

DeepSight:


For what it's worth I have enjoyed your robust contributions in the last few days. That's the way to go. Let's bury the hatchet and do more of that.

I have never been angry at you. I understand your position. Your opinion on Israel and Gaza is the modern in fashion thing. So I understand. Many of my friends share your position and I have been in lots of arguments. On the Africans are oppressed debat, I also understand your position even though I think it's a dangerous one for young Africans to harbour. When you create the thread. I will fully express my position.

DeepSight:
Its gonna be an epistle, beacuse there is so much to say to anyone who worships a race, such as you do.
Nonetheless, ahead of that, I would like you to take a look at this clip -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTmMSkwiysU

I am not sure I get the point of the video. Please do some explaining. It seems to be a race discussion. Why do you think it is relevant?

DeepSight:
Interesting. It's not that you don't have some points, you do. But you are also gravely wrong on some other points. I will like to create a separate thread to thoroughly discuss this matter. Cool?

No problem do what you do. I dey wait you.

DeepSight:
I am sure Messrs Tctrills and Unbaised1 will be having a fit at this news.

I am sure this is the best news you are getting this week.

Okoroawusa:
There is genocide currently going on in Gaza. Every free mind on the surface of the earth is currently of that view. Are you of a free mind? Search your conscience and answer that. question

Free minded people do not get offended and defensive when their views are opposed and questioned. The free minded south Africans are not comfortable with someone with a different view. Do you even know what it means to be free?

DeepSight:
If it helps to show you that you are wrong, my second book which I started a year ago focuses on Arabian racism and the Trans Saharan Slave Trade.

I repeat, I hate racism.

PS: If you say neo colonialism is only going on in my mind, then obviously you have not met a country called France and studied its relationship with its West African former colonies.

For purposes of the time when I fully revisit this issue with you, do I understand you to be saying -

1. There is no problem of racism in the world anymore, especially from the West.
2. There is nothing like neo colonialism, it is imaginary.
3. We must thank the white race for their high selflessness and nobility which singularly accounts for the end of slavery, segregation and the gift of civil rights in the USA.
4. The exploitation of Africa is unremarkable and we should get over it already as all parts of the world have been exploited.

And so on.

1. There is definitely racism. But in Europe and the US, it is mostly an individual choice not systemic. Blacks have the same rights as whites in these countries.

2. Yes, many academic professors teach that in schools but in the real world, neo colonialism really is not there. You gave the example of France's former colonies in Africa that still keep very close relationship with France but we see Nigeria republic and Burkina Faso breaking off from France without any meaningful convenience. That goes to suggest that the strong hold was never present in the first place.

3. Actually yes, From antislavery to human rights as we know it today, all these came from the Judeo-Christian west or what we all call western culture. These were introduced to the world by the West. Democracy, free speech, freedom of worship, and a free society in general. These was not African culture, Arabic culture or Asian culture. These was the Judeo-Christian culture. Unfortunately as Europe and America are moving away from this culture so are their freedoms reducing. We are begining to see people go to jail for speech in Europe and the government lock down churches. Shame.

4. All parts of the world have been exploited. Nothing unique happened in Africa. On the other hand, Africa has been a top recipient of western aid. Blaming the west is just laziness and stupidity and an excuse not to get on our feet. Our leaders are the ones exploiting us not Europe. Since Nigerian independence, your leaders have stolen over 600 billion dollars. Money that would have transformed the country. So let's happily blame neo colonialism and not our corrupt leaders.
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.