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DeepSight:
I repeat, I don't hate whites. I hate racism.

You also seem unable to understand that certain ideas become unsustainable at certain times. Not on account of the special nobility of white people but on account of a universal consciousness. If anything the West fought much to sustain things like apartheid as long as they could.

You chose to remain silent on facts like Mandela remaining on the US terrorism watchlist up till 2008.

I needn't go as far as still ongoing neo colonialism which is real and very serious.

You have shown repeatedly that you hate whites and to you, it's only a crime when it's whites commiting it.

So there was no universal consciousness against slavery. That's why it continued in the Arab world until 1962 when the white man forced them to end it.
There was no universal consciousness in the 1860s that's why the whites, the southern states went to war in the US. Your universal consciousness is just a lie built on nothing. You are only trying to cheapen the efforts real men put into ending slavery.
So yes Mandela was seen as a terrorist by the US how is that relevant. I am not getting your point. If your purpose of pointing it out is to show that the white man is not always right then I agree with you but if you have another reason, let me know.
As for neo colonialism, that's only going on in your mind. Singapore is not complaining of neo colonialism but the lazy black man will forever remain a victim. It's funny you call me the white man's slave when you are the one with the oppressed mentality.
I see the white man as my equal but you see them as your slave masters and colonizers. Bros please move on. China has moved on, hope you know that parts of china were under the British empire? The UAE and Qatar too. They have all moved on to become richer than the Brits but Africans have only become experts in the study of oppressor/oppressed science. Brazil was colonized by the Portuguese but today it has a much bigger economy. South Korea was colonized by both the Chinese and Japanese.
And every part of Europe has been colonized. Also, before the coming of the Europeans, Africans were colonizing themselves. From the Oyo empire to the Benin, Ghana, Fulani. So what exactly is your point.

DeepSight:
I specifically told you that my book takes note of the role of Africans in slavery.

Let your comments on Nairaland also take note of the role of Africans in slavery. Also talk about slavery in the Arab world, in Asia and the rest of the world. The Koreans used to be japanese slaves. Talk about that too. The only people you are happy to talk about are the only people that took action against their own slavery. And you call us slaves and say we worship the whites when we acknowledge that.

DeepSight:
Another thing you appear to do which betrays your subservience to and worship of white people is that you do not even acknowledge the role of black rebels in the fight against slavery. The amount of bloody slave revolts is an interesting story of itself. I could not help but notice that you even laid the successes of the movement led by Martin Luther King at the feet of white people. As I have said myself, I acknowledge and celebrate those white people who fought against those evils, but you are so far gone that not only can you not acknowledge black heroes such as MLK and Mandela, but you try to praise white people for their work.

That segregation lasted till the sixties and apartheid till the nineties speaks more than I can ever speak. That an openly racist Trump is in the white house today says even more.

Anyway, as I said, let us focus on Gaza. We will have occassion to revisit this white worship of yours.

So yes, blacks fought on the side of the whites and we acknowledge that. But I am much more moved by the actions of the whites, ready to give up their lives for the freedom of the blacks. If that doesn't move you, then nothing can.
For the case of Martin Luther, the whites had all the power, money and population. He appealed to their conscience. He appealed to their religion. This can't be said of any other race or culture. Give me another example where an evil was ended by appealing to the hearts and beliefs of the people. No bloodshed no cohesion. So why should I hate the whites when my own people are not better.

DeepSight:
Let us agree to disagree and focus on the discussion about Gaza.

We can do that but just so you know, my great great grandfather had slaves. They were most likely Igbos like him. Maybe I would have continued in his tradition it slavery was not stopped. But to you, only the white man is guilty. The rest of us are victims of the white man

Many times merely pointing out the absurdities of religious doctrines is seen as insulting the believers. I cannot count how many times merely quoting a verse from the Bible or Quoran which a believer does not like leads to the believer saying I have insulted him and his God - even when I only quote the verse without saying a word of my own!

I can quote you bible verses without saying a single word of my own which will immediately make you offended at me for quoting them.



The Trans Atlantic slavery was unique in its particular cruelties.


Oga, when you say things, make them make sense. How was the slavery to the west more cruel than the slavery of Africans in the Arab world? How was it more cruel than the Nazi concentration camps or the Uyghur slavery today. Don't just make outlandish statements for the sake of debate, make sense.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with any religion. I do it all the time. But you are comfortable mocking people for their religious beliefs and somehow feel you are better than a racist. You can openly mock the Gods others hold sacred but no one is allowed to say anything bad about the Palestinians. Does that make sense? Don't be a hypocrite.

DeepSight:
When you occupy and oppress a people and their land, you are triggering violence. You cannot call their reaction the start of violence. This is exactly what the West was doing in calling the ANC in South Africa terrorists. You violently subdue and oppress a people and any reaction from them, you then cast as the start of violence and terrorism. Thats propaganda.

I disagree with your premise. The Arabs are the occupiers not the Jews and they have had enough opportunity to create a nation but the prefer pity and violence. They have been spoilt and pampered especially by the West. That's the only reason why the war never ends. For the first time, Israel has refused to stop fighting until the nonsense stops and many western nations are going crazy. The Arabs claim that they have been oppressed for 80 years and yet they refused every opportunity to end their oppression, the last notable one was in 2020. Something is not adding up here. Stop carrying water for evil.

DeepSight:
Many times merely pointing out the absurdities of religious doctrines is seen as insulting the believers. I cannot count how many times merely quoting a verse from the Bible or Quoran which a believer does not like leads to the believer saying I have insulted him and his God - even when I only quote the verse without saying a word of my own!

I can quote you bible verses without saying a single word of my own which will immediately make you offended at me for quoting them.



The Trans Atlantic slavery was unique in its particular cruelties.



I appreciate those white abolitionists who fought to end slavery and especially someone like William Wilberforce who played one of the greatest roles. Also the Quakers deserve a notable mention. I also salute those white South Africans who laid down their lives and liberty in the fight against Apartheid in that country. They are vastly more honorable than black people who still engage in racist worship of white people.

However I must be clear when I tell you the following -

1. I do not award marks for abolishing a demonic system which you had profitted from for over three hundred years and which formed the bedrock of much of your wealth up till today. You cannot do something deeply evil, then cease to do it and expect to be congratulated for stopping.

2. I hope you know that in the abolition of the Slave Trade, Britain paid such a vast amount of compensation to the slave owners - NOT to the enslaved - that they only finsihed repaying the cost to their descendants as recently as 2015! Yet do they talk of reparations to the descendants of the enslaved? They will never hear a word of it.

3. If you think the American Civil war was solely about abolishing the slavery, then your knowledge, not mine, is the shallow one.

4. Slavery had already started to become uneconomical by the introduction of certain technologies for example in cotton processing. Further more studies had revealed that free men were more productive than slaves. There were thus multiple factors that led to the abolition.

5. The truth also is that with advancing time, certain practices become archaic. Look at the burning of witches for example, a thing which the whole of Europe was neck deep in for centuries. And thats not that long ago historically, just so you know, its relatively recent. Nonetheless the passage of time leades to universal enlightenment over some practices so its not a question of white people being specially noble enough to end slavery. Not at all. These same people implemented segregation up till the 1960s so that tells you alot. It took the Civil Rights Movement ignited by people like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King to fight it. That aslo led to the passage of the Voting Rights Act which removed impediments for black people to vote. For those things to last into the sixties speaks alot. Furthermore we all know how the US and Britain supported the apartheid govt in SA for decades until the outcry from the world became too great. How can you justify their categorization of Mandela as a terrorist?

I do not hate white people, I hate racism.

You by contrast, appear to worship them as well as the religion they gave you but have largely abandoned themselves.

Let's look at your points one at a time.

1. You really have zero understanding. If you will not award marks to the white man for putting an end to slavery then what will you do to the rest of humanity that also practiced slavery for thousands of years and did nothing about it until the white man stopped them?
Just think about that for a minute. By your standards the rest of humanity don't deserve forgiveness. Slavery stopped in Saudi Arabia in 1962. They were practically stopped just like other Arab countries.

2. You are angry that slave owners were paid as part of the bargain to end slavery? That is crazy. Was that a price to high to end one of the worst practices on earth? That was not the only price paid. Lives were given, white lives to put an end to the system. To show your hypocrisy, can you point to any group or race that compensated their slaves? How many Arab, Chinese or African slave owners compensated their slaves? How is that even a point. You are not requiring slave owners to compensate former slaves if they are not white.

3. Of course there are more than one dimension to every war but by far the main reason for the American civil war was slavery. So let us not deflect.

4. True slavery was getting out of fashion. But people did not shed their blood just to let the slave owners know that they could make more money if they used machines rather than slaves. People fought because it was an evil. It was not a war of economics. It's just like saying that a civil war should be fought because the car replaced the horse. That is just stupid reasoning. Let's stop bringing up unnecessary emotions here. The US civil war was not about replacing slaves with machine.

5. Ok, you left slavery and moved over to segregation and other forms of discrimination. Again, the whites you hate are still the major champions here. The efforts of Martin Luther and park would have been useless without the support of the white public.
The US for all it's crimes remains the first nation where a black man became president in a white dominated country. Today, discrimination is a way of live in the rest of the world compared to the white world. Apartheid in South Africa came to an end thanks to Europe and America not Mandela.
Till date, Apartheid thrives in the Arab world, in China and definitely in Africa. In Nigeria, they will tell you openly to your face that an Igbo man can never become president.

6. In summary, the white/Christian world have not been the first neither are they the only to offend but they seem to be the first to correct and to force the rest of us to do better

DeepSight:
Let us keep it simple.

Who has been the aggressor? Be careful in your consideration. For example, many people do not avert their minds to the fact that in 2023 before October 7, hundreds of Palestinians had been killed by Israel.

Who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed?

Who is the occupier and who is the occupied?

Who is the blockader and who is the blockaded?

Who has a state and utilizes every influence to deny the other a state up till today?

Are you saying that the Jews were the oppressors and aggressors in the 1800s and early 1900s? Wait oh, are you rewriting history? If that is the point, you are making, can you please present your evidence.
You talked about 2023. How did the Israel/Gaza battle in 2023 begin? Before October, thousands of Gazans crossed into Israel every day for work and for better health care. None of them was shot. Before October, the life expectancy of Gaza was 74 years. Life in Gaza and the West Bank was much better using the UN development index than in Africa.
Before October 2023, the number of Palestinian death from the almost 80 years Israel/ Palestine conflict was only 67 thousand. Let's put this into perspective. In an almost 80 years war, 67k Palestinians died. In a less than 2 years Ethiopian war 378,000 died.
So what is your grounds for the blame?
The Sudanese Civil War has 150k casualties in 2 years. The Yemen Civil War has almost 400k dead.
So claiming that Israel began the aggression is false. Hamas always begins the aggression.

In 2006 it was caused by the capture of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit by Hamas militants.

2008–2009 – Operation Cast Lead, it was triggered by Hamas rocket fire after ceasefire collapse.

In 2012 – Operation Pillar of Defence. It was triggered by the assassination of Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari after rocket fire.

In 2014 – Operation Protective Edge. It was triggered by the Kidnapping and killing of 3 Israeli teenagers, escalation of rocket fire.

In 2021 – Operation Guardian of the Walls. It was triggered by tensions in East Jerusalem. So Hamas the government of Gaza attacked Israel for something happening in the West Bank.

In 2022 – Operation Breaking Dawn. It was triggered by Israel targeted Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) leaders in Gaza.

I have presented to you 6 of the major wars between Israel and Gaza since 2004. 4 were triggered by your Hamas friends so what are you talking.

DeepSight:
Racism is one of my personal big issues in life. I detest it with a passion which I cannot explain. Anything racist makes my blood boil. That is why I have actually completed a book which is about the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. It takes cognisance of the role of Africans in implementing that trade though. Nonetheless the direction of the book is to draw out the deep evil in racist suppositions. Things like Segregation and Apartheid are therefore also big issues for me.

I firmly believe, like many others that the Israeli government implements a racist apartheid system quite similar to that applied in South Africa. This recognition informs South Africa's radical position against Israel and the case it filed at the International Court of Justice. It also informs the position of Ireland because of the domination they suffered at the hands and under the jackboot of the English.

Racist apartheid is a sin against God and a crime aganst humanity. This is why I am so passionate about the Palestine issue - along with all people of clear mind and good conscience. And you can see, that just as happened with the case of South Africa, a global concensus is coalescing against Israel. This is the real thing that will eventually break Israeli apartheid. It is the same thing that has always broken all oppressive systems - conscience and universal revulsion at the spectre of oppression - not military might.

By contrast I am a non religious person. The lies and deceits of religion are all too obvious to me. While I concede that religion does do some good in the world, its lies and deciets are so great that I cannot help but rail against them. In this, I must single out the Abrahamic faiths as the worst. Eastern religions such as Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism and Shinto tend to be harmless and even higher minded. I would have included Hinduism but for certain elements such as the caste system which is also racist in nature.

You just justified your bad behavior. So you believe it's ok to insult someone because of his religion but not because of his race. All you are doing is accepting one form of prejudice over another. You are no different from the people you condemn. Mind you, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the principles of a religion but when you mock me and insult my God and you believe that just because you didn't insult my race, you are somewhat better, that's nonsense.

Lastly, it's impossible to hate slavery without loving the whites you so much hate unless you don't know your history. First, hope you understand that the Arabs had more black slaves than the whites and slavery to the east lasted much longer than slavery to the west. It is funny you never talk about that.
While slavery was universal, all tribes and races participated in it, it was the whites you hate that ended it. It was the Christian world that stopped it. Think about that. In the US, white fought against white to end the slavery of the black man. If you don't understand the significance of the American civil war then you need to study more. It remains one of the greatest human stories. Whites killed whites to restore the dignity of the black man and to make the US a more equal society. Please learn your history. Stop your white hating. There was slavery in Africa before the white men came. There was slavery before Christianity but it was the white christians that bled and died to end slavery. Not the African, the Arabs or the Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism and Shinto

DeepSight:
Are you saying that Israel purchased all the land it holds today even and including the illegal West Bank settlements - which are still expanding up till today?

No, don't confuse my statements. I am saying that you guys supported the many Arab killings with the excuse that the Jews are Zionists hence they deserve it.

DeepSight:
@ Tctrills,

I shared your response with my friend and this is his reaction -

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To the half baked line. I don’t have to be an expert to disclaim lies. I don’t suppose this person is an expert in the field either.
Let’s just call ourselves students of history, especially the one that is unfolding right before our eyes.
I note that responses are either selective or non-existent! Nothing on B’T Selem calling it a genocide?
So you don’t suppose IDF soldiers posting tik tok videos of dancing in the bras of women in the remains of bombarded homes is not delighting in terror! I don’t need to slur them for their sick minds!
I will not dignify a response to him saying that Mohammed killed Jews as this is just a figment of his imagination. That is not an objective mind.

He’s right that antisemitism didn’t begin in Europe, but again he’s lacking insight as to where, when and who. Because if this person does his homework, he will discover that the ancient origins of antisemitism predates Christianity and therefore Islam.
Secondly, post Christian era antisemitism was by the Christians in Europe.

It is an established fact that really doesn’t bare repeating, the deliberate increased migration of Zionists from the late 19th century/early 20th century and the consequent unrest it caused.

He highlights reprisals during conflicts without context! What does he know of the Stern and Irgun gangs and their atrocities?

The Haifa market bombings

The Jerusalem market bombing

The king David hotel bombing

The Deir Yassin massacre

I will word it differently. 1948 marked the point of no return because that was when the state of Israel was established!
The Zionist project had come to fruition.

Teaching kids to hate and murder Jews?
Even now 64% of resident Israelis say there are no innocents in Gaza! He parrots that sentiment when he says “how many in Gaza are truly civilian”

He must think that the only active settler colonialist state in the world that enlists everybody into the military from age 18 do so out of kindness of their hearts!
Shouldn’t the question be, how many Israelis are truly civilian?

If this person can find footage of a Palestinian beheading an IDF soldier, he might call it proof that they’re savages. I am sure he prefers the advanced technological sophistication of blowing people into pieces with missiles and drones!

If he refutes that this is imperialism/colonialism.
Since he’s backing the genocide, I suppose Benjamin Netanyahu is his champion. He should listen to his champions vision of a greater Israel.

It is his prerogative if he wants to double down on illogical reasoning by smearing a people and calling them names!

I can only conclude that the Zionist indoctrination has truly reached this person.

It thus makes it nigh impossible for any type of constructive discourse.

Since you use your platform to promote your friend's view, I believe you share his opinions. So you also justify the genocides in the 1800s and 1900s against Israel and blame it on Zionists. Not that the zionists killed anyone or stole any land, all they did was buy and develop land in Palestine, and that is enough for you to justify their killing and the stealing of their lands and property. I keep telling you, you don't care about killings or war. You only hate and oppose Israel, nothing more. It is a shame.

DeepSight:
@ Tctrills,

I shared your response with my friend and this is his reaction -

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To the half baked line. I don’t have to be an expert to disclaim lies. I don’t suppose this person is an expert in the field either.
Let’s just call ourselves students of history, especially the one that is unfolding right before our eyes.
I note that responses are either selective or non-existent! Nothing on B’T Selem calling it a genocide?
So you don’t suppose IDF soldiers posting tik tok videos of dancing in the bras of women in the remains of bombarded homes is not delighting in terror! I don’t need to slur them for their sick minds!
I will not dignify a response to him saying that Mohammed killed Jews as this is just a figment of his imagination. That is not an objective mind.

He’s right that antisemitism didn’t begin in Europe, but again he’s lacking insight as to where, when and who. Because if this person does his homework, he will discover that the ancient origins of antisemitism predates Christianity and therefore Islam.
Secondly, post Christian era antisemitism was by the Christians in Europe.

It is an established fact that really doesn’t bare repeating, the deliberate increased migration of Zionists from the late 19th century/early 20th century and the consequent unrest it caused.

He highlights reprisals during conflicts without context! What does he know of the Stern and Irgun gangs and their atrocities?

The Haifa market bombings

The Jerusalem market bombing

The king David hotel bombing

The Deir Yassin massacre

I will word it differently. 1948 marked the point of no return because that was when the state of Israel was established!
The Zionist project had come to fruition.

Teaching kids to hate and murder Jews?
Even now 64% of resident Israelis say there are no innocents in Gaza! He parrots that sentiment when he says, “how many in Gaza are truly civilian”

He must think that the only active settler colonialist state in the world that enlists everybody into the military from age 18 do so out of kindness of their hearts!
Shouldn’t the question be, how many Israelis are truly civilian?

If this person can find footage of a Palestinian beheading an IDF soldier, he might call it proof that they’re savages. I am sure he prefers the advanced technological sophistication of blowing people into pieces with missiles and drones!

If he refutes that this is imperialism/colonialism.
Since he’s backing the genocide, I suppose Benjamin Netanyahu is his champion. He should listen to his champions vision of a greater Israel.

It is his prerogative if he wants to double down on illogical reasoning by smearing a people and calling them names!

I can only conclude that the Zionist indoctrination has truly reached this person.

It thus makes it nigh impossible for any type of constructive discourse.

So your friend is defending the killing of Jews by Arabs because more jews were returning to their fatherland and peacefully acquiring land and developing the area. He is clearly saying that it is ok to kill and discriminate against people for peacefully returning to the land of their ancestors. even if they are not forcefully taking the land. When it comes to Jews, the rule of law doesn't matter to you guys.

Next, the best your friend could do to prove genocide in a 2-year war is a video of DF soldiers posting TikTok videos of dancing in the bras of women. While I agree that it is stupid and embarrassing, is that what now counts as genocide?
Don't you see that your entire argument is based on sentiments and emotions? You saw some IDF guys putting on bra, hence genocide. haba.

Again, the argument that 64% should be supported by evidence if we are to take him seriously. But that is different from a UN agency printing an evil curriculum and spreading hate. If your friend is not deeply disturbed by a UN-funded body teaching hate, then h,e like the U,N has no morals. I can understand that after 80 years of war, Jews and Palestinians hate and suspect each other, but how is that equivalent to a UN body funding and promoting Jewish hate? Make it make sense? Why should anyone trust the UN?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkOPVXiTqoI?si=xRNPK1sps-7z3vFR

And yes, after the people of Gaza supported October 7th, it is not far from the truth that they have blood on their hands or that they are savages. October 7th was conducted by everyday Palestinians, not just Hamas.

I can't respond to the other things he said because they seem to be directed at you. But like you, he is a hypocrite who is comfortable in calling the Jews imperialist/colonialist and referring to those of us on the other side of the debate as Zionist indoctrinated, but call his favorite people savages, and that becomes a problem.

Also, when your friend says
"He must think that the only active settler colonialist state in the world that enlists everybody into the military from age 18 do so out of kindness of their hearts!
Shouldn’t the question be, how many Israelis are truly civilians?" I believe you understand him because I don't. I also happen to know that the IDF has properly documented its soldiers. So what exactly is his point?

These animals have been killing Jews since the 1800s, but your friend dismisses it and says they were only killing zionists. If you don't see everything wrong with that thinking, you are not being honest. How is it ok to murder people who were using all the good and honest means to return to the land of their fathers? Wow, to hate Israel means to support murder as long as it is the Jews dying.
Why should it be ok to murder Zionists whose only crime was coming to Palestine and buying and developing land? You guys are actually endorsing the genocide of Jews in the 1800s and early 1900s

In Nigeria, many Igbos say Lagos is their land. In fact, some call it the 6th Igbo state. So it is ok if Yorubas start murdering them and taking over their property? Make it make sense.
A short video for your entertainment
https://youtube.com/shorts/4DOnY8L0RVc?si=jBE4yETPPQ32EQ5p

DeepSight:
In fairness I dont deny the horrible tribalism our people display which is worse than racism and I detest it.
The Palestinian Issue is a global issue because it is one of the stand out cases of open apartheid left in the world today.

I have mentioned before that there is a reason South Africa and Ireland are particularly passionate about it.

Also, would you agree with me if I say that a white man on the streets of Nigeria is more likely to be harmed and kidnapped than a black man in the whitest town in Montana. If you agree which you should, why do you always try to make the white man as monsters and black haters? Would you also agree that these whites you hate have done more to repent and move away from the evils of their past than any other race? Not calling them perfect but compared to the Arabs, the difference is clear

DeepSight:
In fairness I dont deny the horrible tribalism our people display which is worse than racism and I detest it.
The Palestinian Issue is a global issue because it is one of the stand out cases of open apartheid left in the world today.

I have mentioned before that there is a reason South Africa and Ireland are particularly passionate about it.

Just one question sir, why is it acceptable to be prejudice against Christianity and maybe other religions but any perceived prejudice against the Palestinians is your breaking point? Why?

Shawarmagirl:
The poster above me has lost his senses. People they are fighting for is here supporting injustice. If the so-called Professors did not thought you well in school, will you have the gots to type in English and spell correctly? You need help. So teaching is not hustling abi?

You see why I always tell people to Japa, because when you travel and become more exposed, you'll hate Nigeria.

I want to disagree with you. The people voted for their politicians to earn billions, so why complain? If we as a people decide to vote only for politicians who vow to cut their salaries, we wouldn't have this nonsense.

They don't even campaign to cut their salaries because they know that the people don't demand it of them. Elections are in 2 years, we as a people could decide to vote only for politicians who campaign to cut down the huge wages.

DeepSight:
I might decide to respond in detail later but three quick points -

1. It is funny to keep saying "Israel gave back Gaza" - how do you "give back" a place and then keep it under a strict blockade and decide what goes in and what comes out thereby making it an open air prison?

2. It is absurd to call an agency of the United Nations a terrorist organization. This just shows the height of Israeli disrespect for the International Community and International Law. The link you shared only posed a question for parliament and proves nothing. It is inconceivable that a UN Agency does any such thing.

3. Israel is humaitarian? I guess thats why they are presiding over a famine which has emerged iin GAZA by blocking food and relief materials and thereby ensuring starvation and disease.

Israel Again Blocks Gaza Aid -
https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/05/israel-again-blocks-gaza-aid-further-risking-lives

How Israel's policies created famine in Gaza
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg4p90z1kxo

The IRC responds to Israel blocking aid to Gaza
https://www.rescue.org/press-release/irc-responds-israel-blocking-aid-gaza

Israel’s siege now blocks 83% of food aid reaching Gaza, new data reveals
https://www.nrc.no/news/2024/september/israels-siege-now-blocks-83-of-food-aid-reaching-gaza-new-data-reveals

No plans to allow any aid into Gaza, says Israeli minister
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/no-humanitarian-aid-gaza-israeli-minister-israel-katz-hamas

There you go. Just a snapshot of a few pieces of evidence of what Israel is doing. And you call this humanitarian? Are you okay?

Point 1,
Let me understand you, oh. Are you saying that if you were the prime minister of Israel, and after you give back Gaza, Hamas, a group whose only goal and purpose is to destroy Israel, take over power, it would be business as usual? You would not keep it under a strict blockade and decide what goes in and what comes out. That would make you Irresponsible, and it would only lead to more killings on both sides. Stop being naive. Let's agree to disagree that Gaza is a prison, but the key was always in the hands of the Prisoners, yet they chose to remain in jail? Imagine the prosperity and peace of Gaza if these people were not that dumb. They chose hate over a glorious future.
It is not a prison if the prisoner is given the key.
Still on that, the so-called prison had a much higher human development index than most of Africa, with a life expectancy of over 74 years. As a Nigerian, we expect you to die at the age of 56.

Point 2
As one who disrespects God, I understand what you feel. No one should disrespect or mistrust a UN organization. I understand why you believe that a body made up of nations like Iran and Nigeria can't be corrupt and wrong. There can't be a vacuum; you have made a manmade organization your God. But it was another UN organization, the WHO, that told us lies upon lies about the origin of COVID.
The WHO spent $234 million on travel and luxury hotels in 2015 and only $191 million on major health problems. These are the organizations that replace God in your life. If the link I shared was not clear, it is because you did not read it. Let me quote directly from it.
[url]https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/
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[b]WASHINGTON, March 14, 2023 — Teachers and schools at the UN agency that runs education and social services for Palestinians regularly call to murder Jews, and create teaching materials that glorify terrorism, encourage martyrdom, demonize Israelis and incite antisemitism, reveals a new report by two independent research and monitoring groups.

The joint report, to be presented today in a meeting at the U.S. Congress as it considers new legislation in the House and the Senate to cut funding for UNRWA, uncovers 47 new cases of incitement by UNRWA staff, in breach of the agency’s stated policies of zero tolerance for racism, discrimination or antisemitism in its schools and educational materials.

The report is a joint publication by United Nations Watch, an independent non-governmental human rights organization, and the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se), an international research and policy institute that analyzes school curricula through UNESCO-defined standards of peace and tolerance.[/b]

Point 3
This is war; you don't expect the Palestinians to be eating fried rice and chicken. Distributing food to a terror-filled society is difficult and dangerous work. So show acknowledgment instead of just condemning.

As of August 2025, A cumulative total of 1.9 million tons of aid (including food, medical supplies, sanitation products, etc.) has been delivered to Gaza via nearly 100,000 trucks. In the latest week alone, Israel coordinated the entry of 23,000 tons of aid via 1,200 trucks. Unless Israel is poisoning the food, no genocide is happening.

I am sure you did not know this because you source your info from one-sided sources.

DeepSight:
Racism is of course generally formally frowned at, but are you by the above suggesting that there isnt still much racism in the West? If you live in the Western world there is no way you can deny not just its existence but its mass effects in society and particularly in economic realities. Or are you one of those people who worship white people and believe in their innnate superiority? Are you an Uncle Tom?

Human beings everywhere show prejudice, but nowhere has a society done more to prevent it than in the Western world. The level of tribalism displayed in just one hour on Nairaland is greater than all the racism by whites on Facebook, Twitter, and other platforms in a year. I don't worship humans, but I am not a liar and would not pretend that we don't have so much to learn from their society.
Lastly, you carry water for Hamas yet accuse me of worshiping white people. Oga Hamas and Palestinians are not black.

Idaytesj29:
Engaging you is just pure waste of time and intellect. Enjoy your mentality of doom.

You are all the same; you all end up frustrated, and you start throwing insults and claiming a foolish superiority when you come face-to-face with the truth. You are only a clone; there are thousands like you on Nairaland. So I am not offended, I understand.

DeepSight:
The Jews are 90 per cent the same as White Imperialist Masters being mostly actually European in every sense and where they are not, they are representatives of Western imperialism still.

It is remarkable that black men who white racists call baboons and savages can join white men to call other people savages. That is the actual irony you should look at.

I am no hypocrite. My disdain for religion is well known and I criticize and blast Christianity as much as I do Islam. I don't see the hypocrisy in that.

You can call Jews White Imperialists, but we can't call Palestinians salvages. You can call Christians everything in the book, but we are guilty when we tell you what your friends are. I have never been called a baboon by a white, and I live among them. I have witnessed white men being banned for life from a stadium for using racist words against blacks. One of the fastest ways to destroy yourself in Europe and America is to use a racist word on a black person in public. They are scared to call you a Nigga even in their country.
But till tomorrow, do you know what the arabs, including all Palestinians, call you? "Abd" (عبد) Slave.
Oga, you make no point here

DeepSight:
@ Unbiased1,

A friend of mine has been reading our exchanges and sent me this response for you by Whatspp. He has asked me to share here -

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For the purpose of posterity it is important that we deal with facts.

Also, to be objective so let’s not voice sentiments like “in all cases, the Jews are right.
Understand that there is a distinction between “the Jews” and the Zionist state of Israel in spite of the indoctrinations by the latter.

Furthermore, to say any one party is “always right” is unrealistic and therefore not objective to the discourse.
It will only serve to betray a blind bias, which again is not objective!

In any case let’s move on

Fact number 1;

All of humanity are equal! It is racist to refer to Palestinians as savages.
You are a black man, and just because a white racist thinks you’re inferior to him doesn’t make it true. So I repeat, all of humanity are equal.


Fact number 2;

Since the subject matter is the current genocide in Gaza herein is a list of independent human rights and legal bodies that deem it so, based on their on the ground observations and analysis.

B’T selem; An Israeli human rights organisation who’s current executive director is a former IDF soldier

Amnesty international

Doctors Without Borders

ECCHR

Fact no 3;

Israel are committing several human rights violations and have banned all international journalists from reporting on the ground.

UNRWA exists to provide support for Palestinians whom are refugees in their own country, on their own land which in itself speaks to their occupation and oppression.

The strip is referred to as an open air prison because there has been a land, air and sea blockade on it for 18 years which limits the flow of essential goods and medical supplies!

Israel broke a cease fire and banned UNRWA from providing food aid! They confiscate baby formula from doctors coming in, and you call this one sided control over everything a war!

How is that objective?

Hamas has become the caricature villain that they blame for their massacres of innocents. But, they dehumanised and have been massacring Palestinians since long before Hamas. Those are the facts.

October 7th pales in comparison to the sinister cruelties that the state of Israel have subjected the Palestinians to historically.

The main reason why all the good people of the world know about Israel’s atrocities apart from the sick videos that IDF soldiers have themselves posted on tik tok, is due to indigenous journalists risking their lives to document their peoples plight!

And they have paid that ultimate price with the spate of assassinations of journalists in this conflict!

Fact no 4
A history lesson
Prior to 1948 Israel was not a state or a country, it was a people. The Semite people whom follow Judaism

Antisemitism, real antisemitism began in Europe!
Europeans, not Arabs were prejudiced towards Jews, (and Arabs by the way, except there were more migrant Jews in Europe) from the late 19th to early 20th century.

Another fact, Palestinians are Semites, so for antisemitism to only refer to Jews is a modern construct of exclusivity of victimhood .

In spite of the Arab Muslim majority, the Christians and Jews of Palestine had lived in relative peaceful coexistence.
Why? Because Islamic laws require that non-Muslim minorities be protected, the term for them was Dhimmi (protected person)

It is the gradual implementation of the Zionist ideology in the late 19th and early 20th century that gave rise to the instability in the region.

Also, you mentioned the intifadas.
for the record the provocateurs for both intifadas was Israel.
Your reference to the one gate system to the dome of the rock as some sort of unfair system totally ignores the fact that on the other hand it is virtually impossible for Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza to visit the Kotel (western wall) as they require permits which are never granted.
So you tell me which is better, one gate or no gate?

Fact no 5
At the core of this matter is the natural resistance to imperialism and colonialism.

Hence when 1948 came around the war of resistance to the UN proposed approved Zionist lobby for the partition of Palestine with 56% to Israel and 44% to Palestine

The victors in a war of unjust land appropriation are not the righteous.
Just as slavery was resisted in Africa the fact that the rape and plunder of Africa by Europe succeeded does not make it right!

You are right to an extent that if they wanted to obliterate Gazans with their nuclear power, they could. But they’ve chosen an even more cruel, slow death and extermination approach .
They want to continue to terrorise them, to psychologically wear them down so that they leave or die of hunger.
You talk about moving civilians from place to place like it’s a bit of fun. That is terrorism!

It’s sad that you do not understand that Israel is a proxy in the Middle East for the West’s continued imperialism of the world.

Is it imperialism that you support, or is it the misguided interpretation of scripture that you stand on!

If it is religion, do be reminded that for all religions, the key to salvation is goodness, not the selfish, self-centred, narcissistic, brutal pursuit of land and wealth in this finite world.

And if it the former, why?

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CC:

Kukutente23
Tctrills
Mikeapollo
IdaytesJ29

My first response was to your WhatsApp friend; now my response to you just on one issue, the first fact. The salvage name-calling.
I am surprised that you felt no pang of hypocrisy as you relayed your friend's message.
On Nairaland, I have witnessed you hurl insults, mockery, and ridicule at Christians, their beliefs, their God, and His Christ, but when it comes to the Palestinians, you develop a conscience; that is a bridge too far for you.
Let me ask you, what do you think would happen to you if you went to any Palestinian West Bank settlement as a Jew? You will be deleted in 5 minutes unless they choose to torture you first. It will be done in the open, to the cheering of the people, including their women and children.
But they are not Savages.
What do you think they did when the King and the people of Jordan welcomed them with open arms? But they are not Savages.
What do you think they did to Lebanon after the Lebanese welcomed them with open arms? But they are not savages.
If they were only this animalistic to their so-called white imperial colonizers, we could understand. But the tradition of evil and violence follows them everywhere they go. But dem no be savages.

Drop the hypocrisy, bro.

DeepSight:
@ Unbiased1,

A friend of mine has been reading our exchanges and sent me this response for you by Whatspp. He has asked me to share here -

----------------------------

For the purpose of posterity it is important that we deal with facts.

Also, to be objective so let’s not voice sentiments like “in all cases, the Jews are right.
Understand that there is a distinction between “the Jews” and the Zionist state of Israel in spite of the indoctrinations by the latter.

Furthermore, to say any one party is “always right” is unrealistic and therefore not objective to the discourse.
It will only serve to betray a blind bias, which again is not objective!

In any case let’s move on

Fact number 1;

All of humanity are equal! It is racist to refer to Palestinians as savages.
You are a black man, and just because a white racist thinks you’re inferior to him doesn’t make it true. So I repeat, all of humanity are equal.


Fact number 2;

Since the subject matter is the current genocide in Gaza herein is a list of independent human rights and legal bodies that deem it so, based on their on the ground observations and analysis.

B’T selem; An Israeli human rights organisation who’s current executive director is a former IDF soldier

Amnesty international

Doctors Without Borders

ECCHR

Fact no 3;

Israel are committing several human rights violations and have banned all international journalists from reporting on the ground.

UNRWA exists to provide support for Palestinians whom are refugees in their own country, on their own land which in itself speaks to their occupation and oppression.

The strip is referred to as an open air prison because there has been a land, air and sea blockade on it for 18 years which limits the flow of essential goods and medical supplies!

Israel broke a cease fire and banned UNRWA from providing food aid! They confiscate baby formula from doctors coming in, and you call this one sided control over everything a war!

How is that objective?

Hamas has become the caricature villain that they blame for their massacres of innocents. But, they dehumanised and have been massacring Palestinians since long before Hamas. Those are the facts.

October 7th pales in comparison to the sinister cruelties that the state of Israel have subjected the Palestinians to historically.

The main reason why all the good people of the world know about Israel’s atrocities apart from the sick videos that IDF soldiers have themselves posted on tik tok, is due to indigenous journalists risking their lives to document their peoples plight!

And they have paid that ultimate price with the spate of assassinations of journalists in this conflict!

Fact no 4
A history lesson
Prior to 1948 Israel was not a state or a country, it was a people. The Semite people whom follow Judaism

Antisemitism, real antisemitism began in Europe!
Europeans, not Arabs were prejudiced towards Jews, (and Arabs by the way, except there were more migrant Jews in Europe) from the late 19th to early 20th century.

Another fact, Palestinians are Semites, so for antisemitism to only refer to Jews is a modern construct of exclusivity of victimhood .

In spite of the Arab Muslim majority, the Christians and Jews of Palestine had lived in relative peaceful coexistence.
Why? Because Islamic laws require that non-Muslim minorities be protected, the term for them was Dhimmi (protected person)

It is the gradual implementation of the Zionist ideology in the late 19th and early 20th century that gave rise to the instability in the region.

Also, you mentioned the intifadas.
for the record the provocateurs for both intifadas was Israel.
Your reference to the one gate system to the dome of the rock as some sort of unfair system totally ignores the fact that on the other hand it is virtually impossible for Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza to visit the Kotel (western wall) as they require permits which are never granted.
So you tell me which is better, one gate or no gate?

Fact no 5
At the core of this matter is the natural resistance to imperialism and colonialism.

Hence when 1948 came around the war of resistance to the UN proposed approved Zionist lobby for the partition of Palestine with 56% to Israel and 44% to Palestine

The victors in a war of unjust land appropriation are not the righteous.
Just as slavery was resisted in Africa the fact that the rape and plunder of Africa by Europe succeeded does not make it right!

You are right to an extent that if they wanted to obliterate Gazans with their nuclear power, they could. But they’ve chosen an even more cruel, slow death and extermination approach .
They want to continue to terrorise them, to psychologically wear them down so that they leave or die of hunger.
You talk about moving civilians from place to place like it’s a bit of fun. That is terrorism!

It’s sad that you do not understand that Israel is a proxy in the Middle East for the West’s continued imperialism of the world.

Is it imperialism that you support, or is it the misguided interpretation of scripture that you stand on!

If it is religion, do be reminded that for all religions, the key to salvation is goodness, not the selfish, self-centred, narcissistic, brutal pursuit of land and wealth in this finite world.

And if it the former, why?

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CC:

Kukutente23
Tctrills
Mikeapollo
IdaytesJ29

Tell your friend to beware of half-baked knowledge.
It is not racist to call a people savage if they delight in terror. Polls show that most of them support the October 7th attack. They teach their kids to hate and murder Jews. Every single time a Jew goes unarmed into any West Bank community, He ends up dead. What more can they do before your dear friend agrees that they meet the definition of savages?

Fact number 2
I have learnt from the Covid times that no organization is truly independent, and it would be a grave mistake not to question your so-called independent human rights and legal bodies. So, since you represent them, what is their evidence of genocide? Do your international sources tell you of Israel's humanitarian efforts in Gaza, or that Israel always informs the people of Gaza where to move before an attack? It will be counterproductive to warn the civilians of your plans if you are looking to kill them. Your so-called independent human rights and legal bodies have fraudulently changed the meaning of genocide when it comes to Israel. Funny thing, none of them declared a genocide in the recently ended Ethiopian war.

Fact no 3
UNRWA is nothing but a terrorist organization. Palestinian textbooks issued by UNRWA encourage Palestinian children to sacrifice their blood to liberate Jerusalem and incite against Jews and Israelis.
[url]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-003199_EN.html
[/url]

Fact no 4
Before 1948, antisemitism was not limited to Europeans. Mohamed, the Muslim leader, was a top killer of Jews. Both the Arabs and Ottomans showed great antisemitism. The WW2 leader of the Palestinians was in the Hitler camp advocating the gas chamber treatment for all Jews. Educate yourself on the 1834 – Hebron & Safed Massacres (Peasants’ Revolt against Muhammad Ali of Egypt), 1838 – Druze Uprising (Galilee), 1847 – Jerusalem Riots, 1886 – Petah Tikva Attacks, 1891 – Jerusalem Anti-Jewish Demonstrations, 1892–1893 – Early Riots Against Jewish Colonies, Nebi Musa/Jerusalem riots (Apr 4–7, 1920), Jaffa riots (May 1–7, 1921), 1929 “Western Wall”/Palestine riots (Aug 1929),
Hebron massacre (Aug 24, 1929), Safed pogrom (Aug 29, 1929), Black Hand (Izz ad-Din al-Qassam) attacks (1931–1935), Arab Revolt (1936–1939), Tiberias massacre (Oct 2, 1938), Haifa Oil Refinery massacre (Dec 30, 1947), Hadassah medical convoy massacre (Apr 13, 1948)

With all these, do you still believe that these are not Savages?
If your argument here is that the word Semites can't be used exclusively by the Jews, you are correct, but we can't allow the play of words to deflect our discussion. It is not like anyone is confused when the term is used. Also, the meaning of words changes with time. The word Palestinian meant something different 80 years ago.

Fact no 5
This is just rubbish. Your imperialism and colonialism argument is dead on arrival. The Palestinians were given multiple opportunities to build their own nation and rule over themselves all were refused. The first was in 1948, and the last I remember was in 2020 under Trump. (2020 Trump Israel–Palestine plan) The Palestinians just walked away, no negotiation, nothing. They are not ready for peace. This has nothing to do with imperialism if your so-called colonizers are ready and prepared to make peace. Remember, Israel gave back Gaza, and what did they get in return?

Please tell your WhatsApp friend to get more education on the subject. Israel has conducted their war in the most responsible way possible. And they have continued to get better at not killing civilians as the war progressed.
The Nature preprint places the death toll in Gaza at around 84,000. About 40,000 died in the first 6 months of the war. This tells you that Israel is taking great action and getting much better at not killing civilians
Finally, how many in Gaza are truly civilians?

AntiChristian:
Geh geh is much better than many so-called clerics.

At least you're not forced to swallow everything he says hook, line and sinker!

I completely agree with you

MaxInDHouse:
Did you tell her you intended to become a pastor? Because it's rare for a lady today to turn down proposal of a prospective Daddy G.O o!

How many Young ladies would marry a man if he tells her that he intends to become a billionaire. Because it's rare for ladies to turn down proposal of a prospective billionaire

jesusjnr2020:
Acts 3:6 (KJV)

Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

So after being a pastor at the feet of Jesus Christ for 3 years and being put in charge of the entire ministry, Peter was not riding a private jet or living in a mansion.
Pastors of today have a long way to go.

CoronaVirusPro:
The US should just submit to China

BYD just nailed Tesla and now ByteDance started nailing Meta

….and guaranteed they will still nail the US in AI

Learn to look beneath the hood and not to follow the first piece of news.
Which of these companies had a more profitable quarter?
Just so you know
Meta made $62 billion in profit in 2024. ByteDance is not publicly traded, so its financials are not 100% transparent, but it is estimated to have generated to have a $33 billion profit in 2024.

Softmirror:
They can't eliminate the will of the people. Which is why till date Israel despite all of their so called sophistication have not been able to free Israeli hostages. Which indeed is a big shame!

The will of your people is to keep hostages.

malali:
First NATO country to call out Israel severing economic ties and banning Israel from their airspace.

No Israeli plane can land in Turkey.

No economic trade between Turkey and Israel.

Israel is slowly becoming a pariah state, everyone can really see them for who they really are

Please compare the economies of both countries.
Israel GDP per capita - $54,191
Turkey GDP per capita - $15,463
One is a rich country, and the other is a confused nation

DeepSight:
Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Enjoy.
Just because you have decided to support evil doesn't mean the rest of us should.
We know enough history not to be fooled.
Please fight for Nigerians. They are suffering more than these pampered fools

DeepSight:
So according to you Israel is suffering: and their suffering matches that of those they are torturing, caging, oppressing, starving and killing?

Now this suffering Olympics you are trying to create makes no sense.
You (Nigerians) are suffering much more than the Palestinians.
These evil Palestinians are pampered lazy goats who have refused peace and who love death more than life. They were given every chance but they said No. I don't know what you expect of Israel.
Honestly, Israel has tried. No other nation will tolerate such nonsense.