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MaxInDHouse:
You don't hate us?
Of course you shouldn't if you appreciate it that there are certain things enjoyed within the family circle that outsiders can't benefit! Matthew 13:11

Jesus said he did not bring PEACE but SWORD to break families and cause division in many homes! Matthew 10:34-39

PRACTICAL APPLICATION!

Jesus' teachings will separate people who love the truth from those who love falsehood {John 17:14} lovers of truth will be united as one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers {John 17:20-23} they will always think alike on sacred matters {1Corinthians 1:10} they will only marry among themselves {1Corinthians 7:39} they will love one another to the extent of laying down their lives for the sake of their fellow believers {John 13:34-35} they will endeavour to help their neighbours to become part of the global family {Matthew 28:19-20} and throughout the earth they will first appreciate anyone who embrace the same line of thought as they do! Matthew 12:46-49 compare to Galatians 6:10

It's simple and logical that other people who can't benefit from this arrangement will definitely hate them out of envy! John 15:19

If you say you don't hate us know today that we also don't hate anyone too, you must have noticed that in my response concerning the evildoers around us and what we must do even when they hurt us {Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:28} so continue working for your God, we have our own God Sir!

I come from a family where people are free to follow their heart and conscience. We do not hate those whose opinions differ from ours. We show them love. We understand that at the end, it's love that matters.
The greatest commandment is to love. God created us to be different. We all have different ways of thinking and opinions. It's not worth hating ourselves because of that.
My chief, you are loved. I am sure if I knew you personally I would want to be your friend.
Yes, we argued and used strong words and at times forgot that our only duty is love. A gentle answer even when we feel the other is wrong.
We all would want to lead more people to our churches but if it's not a labour of love, it profits us nothing.
I told you before no one hates you. We disagree but no, I don't hate you.

MaxInDHouse:
Surely the TRUTH will disappoint you because it's not common! 2Thessalonians 3:2
For instance, you threw a question to the floor in this particular thread, the topic ~

Is Jesus Christ Jehovah?

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have come out to tell you NO! emphatically, neither Seventh Day Adventist, your friend who has been following from the onset nor others you kept saying "they're also unique" have come out to address your question just as JWs have done.

Certainly you must be highly disappointed in the one and only group that could come out confidently to address your question with their IDENTITY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Boss, this was not a popularity contest. The purpose of the post was not to gather supporters it was to show that indeed Jesus Christ /Jehovah is the very same person.
It was not about any particular church or religion. Remember you were the one who involved your church as you took it as an agenda to create PR for your chuch.
Most of the time, it was me against several of you guys. I put up questions that till this moment none of you could counter.
At a point one of you guys began to attack Christ of conniving with Judas to kill himself. I wonder what point he was trying to make.
Half of the time, you guys denied scripture. I receive enough abuse from your sect but it meant nothing.
But like I stated, it wasn't about gathering an army on Nairaland.
I was able to make my point and so where you. People can read and learn the 2 sides.
You guys seemed to take our discussions as a contest or a mini war. That was never the purpose.
Also this was never about JW or Seven days adventist. I brought up the adventist to show that there were other unique organization's who equally have a bible based doctrine that differs from yours. I wanted to let you know that you guys are unique but you are not the only ones out there. My brother, please stop seeing this as a battle.
I love this thread so much because of its richness in ideas. Anyone making a research on Jesus Christ /Jehovah can easily come here for information.
We all contributed to this. We should feel proud of ourselves. We did great.

achorladey:
The funny aspect of the whole discussion is he will still come and say there are SINNERS in every Christian denominations, JWs included and that they all still feel the INFLUENCE of satan in their own very denomination too.

In summary nothing special. All the doctrines they have come to preach, teach and believe came from different sources. One only need to go back in time to see how they have developed it over the years.

Reality says they share common denominators with every other Christian denominations in one way or the other.

The discussion had gotten to since you cannot accept what we CALL TRUTH go on with your LIES when they themselves have not shown the LIES in it.

I really found most of it funny. At first I thought our JW brothers would have so much more to offer. I am actually a bit disappointed

MaxInDHouse:
John 15:19

John 15.19
If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world,+ but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.

Oga.. I don't hate you.
We may not agree with each other but the issue of hate does not come up.
Nothing but love bro

MaxInDHouse:
At least you now agree that our organization is different, it's enough for JWs globally!

Good for you. Every organization is different. But if you feel that's a great achievement then my congrats sir.
You are doing well

MaxInDHouse:
Lord of the Sabbath taught his followers how to make the best use of their time in sacred service.
Today if we tell you we are the only group that's practicing it for benefit you want to argue, please how come Jesus ordered his followers to go out preaching and teaching throughout the earth. Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have a scheduled for this WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE FOLLOWERS OF THE MASTER WHO KNOWS HOW TO SCHEDULE TIME FOR SACRED SERVICES!

You keep boasting about your organization but from our lenthy thread I could summarize the JW.
You are basically an organization that believe they are special because of your personal interpretation of Matthew 26.52
That's basically what you are. Your entire claim to being unique is hinged to the verse. Remove your interpretation to that verse and you guys wouldn't have much of a leg to stand.
Now you must have noticed that I basically gave up the use of KJV version of the bible and used your church published bible in the course of our discussion.
I did it despite the fact that your bible is very different. Yet I could still teach much of the gospel of Jesus Christ using your own Bible. It should tell you something.
If we depended on KJV for our discussion we both know what the outcome would have been for you so I chose to take it easy and come down to your level and use the scriptures without personal interpretation. Still you guys could not show through the bible that any of your doctrines were actually of God. You had to start giving new meanings to basic scripture. Hopefully I would be able to go over this thread soon and do a summary of it. Pointing out every issue we have discussed.
Just so you know I really enjoyed doing this with you. It was so much fun.

MaxInDHouse:
Lord of the Sabbath taught his followers how to make the best use of their time in sacred service.
Today if we tell you we are the only group that's practicing it for benefit you want to argue, please how come Jesus ordered his followers to go out preaching and teaching throughout the earth. Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have a scheduled for this WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE FOLLOWERS OF THE MASTER WHO KNOWS HOW TO SCHEDULE TIME FOR SACRED SERVICES!

You and all these big claims without evidence. At least now you accept that Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath. This makes the Sabbath a real and living thing and not a dead practice that was killed by Paul as you claim.
I understand you want to argue that your organization is supreme but you have to do it with evidence.
If you can we would listen to you ok.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said he is LORD over the Sabbath simply means i am above the Sabbath law!
Before Jesus every Jew mustn't do any work on the seventh day (Sabbath) whoever is caught doing any form of laborious work on the seventh day will be exterminated according to the law! Numbers 15:32-35
But Jesus made them realize that nobody should be killed anymore for the Sabbath because now pure worship will be taken to distant lands {John 4:24; Act 1:8} where people living there and the condition of work there may not allow for true Christians to keep the Sabbath, so Christianity ended that law! Romans 10:4
Today true Christians pick days they'll use for sacred services and rest, that was the import of the Sabbath {Exodus 23:12} we know that our workers need time to rest, that's what ancient owners of slaves don't care about so God's law taught Israelites that whosoever refuse to keep this command should be killed. But today Christianity has taught us something far better so we are no more under such burden! Galatians 3:23-25

So if you feel you're here to teach anything know that your teaching has nothing to do with our own God!
You may now rest your case my friend, i can see that you're just not a member of the house of our own FAITH! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Thank you!

The point was not to discuss the Sabbath but you are very wrong. The Sabbath is older than the Jewish Nation and it started before the Jewish law. It was instituted by God himself when he set it apart from other days.
Now learn scripture. Jesus said, I am lord of the Sabbath not lord over the Sabbath. Two very different things.
Mark 2.28
So the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”+
Jesus Christ isn't the Lord of a dead practice.
The origin of the Sabbath has nothing to do with the Jews but with God himself. It was a day God set aside and blessed and rested.
Now let's look at the scriptures you miss represented as you always do.
The Sabbath was not the law of moses. It came before the law. It's an eternal law of God even before the fall of man.
John4.24..why so you love quoting verses that don't apply to what you say. It's very dishonest.
God is a Spirit,+ and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.
Acts1.8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in Jerusalem,+ in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.
Do you read this verses before quoting them?
I have noticed that you and your members on this thread dishonesty quote scriptures that have nothing to do with the topic. Is that also a sign of the best church on earth?
You guys keep claiming to be the number 1 church but all of you are experts in twisting the scriptures. I have called out you guys severally on this thread.
Maybe twisting scripture is a sign of the best church on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
You love deceit no be small Sir!

I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and i'm here telling you that i was a Muslim before i converted to Christianity. JW Organization is the one and only true Christian group today! Where are the members of all these religions that you're speaking in their behalf?
Your case to me sounds like a fugitive in a refugee camp, you're being called upon by the citizens of a specific nation who kept calling on you to come and take citizenship in their country for free, but instead of you to pack your luggages and follow them you start arguing and questioning them about other nations, saying this is what the other nations have been saying. Whereas you have remained a fugitive in the refugee camp!
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are here now talking, you can't even talk about your own Church and you're here arguing in support of religions that their members are not here yet none of those churches is your own!




You amuse me each time you try to shift the goal post childishly!
Now listen to yourself "God asked Moses to pull off his sandals and some religionists are going barefooted everywhere" did the Scriptures said Moses left that spot barefooted?
"God asked the Israelites to keep the Sabbath" did the first century Jewish Christians follow that old covenant?
For your information Sir, Paul is the Apostle sent to TEACH gentiles how to practice Christianity, he (Paul) emphasized that the Sabbath is not a Christian teaching {Colossians 2:16}
So to both questions about going barefooted and Sabbath the answer is capital NO God's word never brought these into Christianity.
But the order not to kill, carry weapons or learn wars could be deduced from the records of what happened to the first century Christians. They were running from one place to another while the enemies of Christianity kept persecuting them here and there. Come on if they can DEFEND themselves with weapons as you've been trying to refute our claim since why is it that only the records of their persecution and marthrs that we are reading and not a single record where the first century Christians put up a struggle physically?





Stop playing the hide and seek game Sir, it's not going to help you. It's either you uphold Christianity or you stand against it. If you can't speak of your own religious group as being the one and only true Christian group then it simply means you're an atheist.
ATHEISM is the lack of believe in any God, what the atheists are saying on the fence is "confusion is everywhere, we don't even know which one out of over 41,000 chuches is practicing Christianity, all of you are just claiming you're the best"
If you're a believer you should be able to stand on your feet and point to the Organization or group that's practicing Christianity, and with that you're condemning all others as false. That's what Jesus did that made the religionists of his time hate him, of course each group back then were also claiming they're the best but not outspokenly like Jesus and his disciples!

You were once a Muslim true, but it's no big deal every year millions of people move from one religion to the other. Everyone has his own reasons.
The difference between you and me is, while you come online to preach about your church, I am here to discuss specific doctrine, so our goals are different.
First the Sabbath day is a Christian teaching and Paul never and could not stop the Sabbath. You have again interpreted a simple verse to suit your believes.
But that was not my piont. My piont was that every church is unique.
And as I said earlier, while you are here to preach about your church, some of us prefer to talk about the doctrines of Christ. Our goal is to bring people to Christ. Just like the apostles of old.
Now to colossians 2.16-17
Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink+ or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon+ or of a sabbath.+ 17 Those things are a shadow of the things to come,+ but the reality belongs to the Christ
Paul was actually encouraging the colossians to observe the Sabbath. Paul really did not have the authority to stop what God himself began.
Jesus Christ taught that he is the Lord of the Sabbath not Paul.
But that's the point, I am not here to argue about the Sabbath.
You claim to be the chosen group and you claim to have evidence for this and you have spend time on this post trying to show but your evidence are very weak.
Matthew 26.52 is basically the evidence you hold on to that makes your church unique

MaxInDHouse:
That's why there's no room for various opinions on standard, we all must find out God's standard and uphold it. That's the only means of becoming perfect like the epitome of perfection JEHOVAH!
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are now saying they have discovered that perfect standard, but you are saying they shouldn't claim that because God never mentioned any group name so all groups are working towards God's standard, whereas JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are presenting evidence that all other religions are following human's mind.

Let me tell you today that people are running to America today not because there is no fraudsters, thieves, armed robbers, witches and so many other things from which our people are running away there, but because the policy there makes it possible for everyone to participate in building America. So each American child will wake up and say "God bless America" while other countries amassing nuclear weapons are planning to bring America down.
Spiritually you and i can see that there is no religion on this planet earth today where adherents will speak confidently about how perfect and well organized their religion is, rather all these Churchgoers (including you) are saying unpleasant things about their Church or refrain from mentioning their Church at all.
So what you're trying to say now is Jehovah's Witnesses should stop talking about their Church like the American citizens God has blessed our Organization!

Boss
I understand how you feel. It's easy for us to thing our organization is the best.
It's true your organization claim to be the best but they are not the only ones that make such claims. More that 10 Christian Organization's claim to be the only true church and each with its own evidence.
Some even have much stronger evidence than you from my interactions with you all.
I don't think I have been too fair on you guys on this thread. Maybe you guys should start a thread to teach people about your organization on Nairaland.
So the rest of us can ask questions and evaluate.
But so far the only unique doctrine you guys seem to have is the no war/neutrality policy which you back with Matt 26.52... to me that isn't strong enough.
It's just like a church teaching that people should go barefooted because God told Moses to take off his shoes.
One verse, directed to one person that seems to be what your biggest doctrine is hinged against.
To me that doesn't qualify you to be the only true church.
The seven days adventist also believe the same and the hinge their doctrine on sabbath day observance. That's even a stronger point. At least it's a commandment For God to the entire world that began with God himself observing it. Still I don't think the adventist havery all truths.
I agreed you guys are unique still there are so many unique Christian organizations.
We have the Catholicsame who also claim to be the only true church.
The latter day saints believe that God the church.
The church of Christ believe they are the only church recognized by God.
And a good number of other churches out there.

MaxInDHouse:
Perfection is not like that. When Jesus said "you must be Holy just as my heavenly father is Holy" some Bible translations (including the NWT) rendered the word HOLY as PERFECT, but the text rendered Holy or Perfect there doesn't mean the creature can't err in his thinking but having pure motives the same way God always have. Selfishness will make this impossible in the case of any creature because the one and only person who have the final say is JEHOVAH who knows the purpose for which he created all things.
So we can only learn how to be pure at heart (holy) like JEHOVAH, we can never know how to set standards for other humans around us, only JEHOVAH can do that!
Eve was the last creature so that means the order not to eat from the forbidden fruit was passed to her, she didn't get that order directly from God. That's why God's word said the perfect woman was deceived unlike Adam who knew the person that created him and got first hand order directly from his heavenly father.

Yea I Agee with about all you said. BUT even when you replace perfect with holy, you basically are saying the same thing.
Be holy just like our father in heaven.
Jesus Christ is telling us that our father in heaven is the standard of holiness for us.
That's as good as telling us to be perfect like our father in heaven is perfect.
Still I agree with your post here

achorladey:
When the message they want to pass across hits a wall. The way to go is, attack the personality or the abilities of such personality.

We it's a pity.. clearly some people don't believe in that others have a voice.
It's crazy to find people who think that their opinions must be accepted no questions asked.

DappaD:
It seems you’re too far gone to understand some really basic and mundane things. It’s no one’s fault if assimilation is a problem for you so please take full responsibility and don’t push that problem to others. All you need is to focus on one thing at a time.
Take the stress and time now and go through all those Scriptures before you say the scriptures don’t relate. Then you’ll see the very “bad” thing Adam did to all of us who are his descendants.

It doesn't even take skill, anybody can twist the bible to fit his teachings. The bible calls it, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men.
By the way, you blame Adam.. he without sin should cast the first stone. Have you never fallen under Satan's temptations?
But you expected Adam to be better than you? Someone that was yet to have the knowledge of good and evil?

DappaD:
It seems you’re too far gone to understand some really basic and mundane things. It’s no one’s fault if assimilation is a problem for you so please take full responsibility and don’t push that problem to others. All you need is to focus on one thing at a time.
Take the stress and time now and go through all those Scriptures before you say the scriptures don’t relate. Then you’ll see the very “bad” thing Adam did to all of us who are his descendants.

I don't know what to tell you. But I don't see why I would accept your funny interpretation of scripture. It's not like you wrote the bible. I understand, you have to defend your church's position but you don't have to do so by twisting passage of scripture.
I am noticing a pattern among your people.
And when one doesn't accept your twisted translation's you guys get aggressive.
One of you even boasted the the bible belongs to JW hence I must accept his translation.
I admire the JW for some reason's but like most churches out there, you don't have it all. So stop giving the bible interpretation's to suit your teaches. That is one thing that I don't do and I don't tolerate.

[quote author=haddeylium post=98621347][/quote]I am not too interested in what you say about me personally because I am not here to please you. I can only demand honesty from you. Be honest with the scriptures. And yes, like you said you guys are smart but please don't use your smartness to confuse others. Quote the verses and relate to them. I guess that was the interpretation they taught you in church but this isn't your church. This is Nairaland

[quote author=haddeylium post=98621347][/quote]Oga keep praising yourself. Please next time use a related verse.
When Christ said be not of the world, he was not talking about politics. You guys just came up with that.
When it comes to a public discussion, put your personal interpretation aside. Remember these are not the words of your church but the words of Jesus Christ. Some honesty is required here. You cannot be misinterpreting the scriptures and boasting of your supirior intelligence here. Haba.. e no nice na.

DappaD:
I’m not the one comparing Adam to Jesus. Go and ask Paul why he did so.
Romans 5:17-19, 1Corinthians 15:21,22,45,47
The main thing I’ve been saying is, if Adam didn’t know the difference between good and evil, then he’s not to blame na? Since yesterday you’ve been running from this claiming that the scriptures do not match meanwhile that’s just a subtle ploy of yours to deviate from the topic.

OK let's forget about your new Adam theory let's go back to topic, I am with you

DappaD:
I’m not the one comparing Adam to Jesus. Go and ask Paul why he did so.
Romans 5:17-19, 1Corinthians 15:21,22,45,47
The main thing I’ve been saying is, if Adam didn’t know the difference between good and evil, then he’s not to blame na? Since yesterday you’ve been running from this claiming that the scriptures do not match meanwhile that’s just a subtle ploy of yours to deviate from the topic.

Are you blaming him for your sins? What Bad did Adam do to you? Oh you wanted to remain in the garden forever? Sorry then
Adam played his role, Christ played his role... you and I have our roles to play?
So you created new meaning to a simple scripture just to blame Adam abi?

haddeylium:
Do you know you didn't provide answer to the question I asked you!
Which would you obey ?
The Authorities or Jesus?..
You can't give a middle stance.

This your reply shows you have so much to learn. But I'll only focus on one part.
Embarrassing history, really?
Maybe the first Christains are not so much a good historian like you. But this is their submission when the Authorities forbade their Preaching.
“We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” (Acts 4:19, 20; 5:29)
Do you think they're not a good citizen?
They know when to strike the balance and they identified God as the primary ruler.


@bolded
That's not what a genuine Christains do. Jesus already told his followers not to remain neutral in the political affairs of this world(John 15:19). Christains already know that this world is not going to get better as Jesus said. (—Luke 21:10-17)
Genuine Christains knows that the political affairs of this world is under Satan control (1 John 5:19).
Under Christ rulership, he's going to bring an end to the political affairs of this world (Dan 2:44).

Rather that invest in a business that it Doom to collapse, Genuine Christains know how wise it is to pledge total loyalty to God's kingdom and be the proclaimer .
They do so unitedly following Jesus' word to have love among themselves as an identifying mark.

TcWork, you cannot slave for two master. it's either you choose the STATE or JEHOVAH GOD.
You can compromise the two either and follow the ones that suit you.

You should know now that quoting is one thing, understanding and application is another!

First I answered your question go back and read. This was to your follow up question
Then I need to ask why do all of you quote a scripture that says nothing related to your points. I have noticed it with your members on this thread.
John 15.19
If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world,+ but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you
This to you is Jesus telling his follows to be neutral in politics?
Oga please let's remove religion for a while. If this where a court of law and this verse is admitted as evidence that Jesus was teaching neutrality in politics wouldn't it be laughed off?
One thing I can tell for sure is that you guys are very intelligent so stop playing on our intelligence.
Christ said be not part of the world, you attribute to politics. Why didn't you attribute it to NYSC or having a government job or living in a community. Christ was teaching us not to live by the standard of the world.
Nobody taught you to stay off politics.
And please this is a public discussion try to be honest with the scriptures you quote. You knew this had nothing to do with politics so why quote it.
Oga abeg you no try

DappaD:
If I should ask you what the relation is between what I’m saying and Acts 17:29, would you be able to give me a clear answer?
The words in highlight should answer your question and put a stop to this seemingly endless loop of debates. If we[including Adam] are all made in the image of God, then Adam also knew the difference between right and wrong. Come to your own conclusions from that.

That's exactly my point, you compare Adam to Jesus Christ and it does not even gel.
Yes all men know right from wrong after Adam ate the fruit.
Or are you now comparing all men to Jesus Christ also?
Please go back to topic. Do your research and come up with a good reason why the fruit of knowledge of good and evil isn't what the bible said it was.
Come oh you are actually looking for a verse to show that the tree of knowledge of Good and evil was fake?? I am actually laughin right now. You wouldn't see such in the bible. You would only find it in your church manual.
Your other brother said it was a spiritual meaning, a nice was to escape from the truth and you are bringing up verses that have nothing to do with Adam to show that he was a son of God?
We are all sons of God all created by God all offspring's of God but are we perfect.
Look good back to Genesis read again then ask your church leaders some important questions.
I would be here waiting

DappaD:
Revelation 3:14&Colossians 1:15-16 says that Jesus is Jehovah’s Firstborn and also that he is the image of God wrt to Hebrews 1:3.
Luke 3:38 calls Adam the “son of God” because he was created directly by Jehovah. Compare Genesis 2:7
Can you focus on the major points instead of always deflecting to minor details and complaining that the quoted scriptures do not match when in fact you’re the one who hasn’t taken out time to read and understand them?
Tcwork, this is social media I cannot spell out every single thing for you here. You’re going to have to keep up.

Acts 17.29
Therefore, since we are the children* of God,+ we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and design of humans.+
So what is your point here.
Yes this is social media you can make a clear point.
The issue was about Adam and the knowledge of good and evil but instead you have been giving me verses that talk about Jesus Christ
We are all in the image of God so what is your point sir

DappaD:
I’m trying to draw a line here between Adam and Jesus Christ but it’s sad that you can’t see it. As has been said already, they were both firstBorns. One in spirit and one in flesh and both are/were perfect.
Luke 3:38, Revelation 3:14

Like Adam was, Jesus Christ is also the image of the invisible God[Colossians 1:15-16 compare Hebrews 1:3]because he reflects Jehovah’s qualities of humility, compassion, love to the highest degree[Matthew 11:29, Mark 1:40-42, Philippians 2:3-5]
But he acknowledged that all that he knew and taught stemmed from his Father and that he didn’t possess them innately. John 12:49-50

Are you sure you understand the questions I asked? Please how does your answer fit into this discussion. Take your time, read and answer my questions

DappaD:
I’m trying to draw a line here between Adam and Jesus Christ but it’s sad that you can’t see it. As has been said already, they were both firstBorns. One in spirit and one in flesh and both are/were perfect.
Luke 3:38, Revelation 3:14

Like Adam was, Jesus Christ is also the image of the invisible God[Colossians 1:15-16 compare Hebrews 1:3]because he reflects Jehovah’s qualities of humility, compassion, love to the highest degree[Matthew 11:29, Mark 1:40-42, Philippians 2:3-5]
But he acknowledged that all that he knew and taught stemmed from his Father and that he didn’t possess them innately. John 12:49-50

Are you sure you understand the questions I asked?
These are the scriptures you referee us to...many of them don't even impact the topic in anyway
Revelations 3.14
“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa+ write: These are the things that the Amen+ says, the faithful and true+ witness,+ the beginning of the creation by God:
Luke 3.38
son of Eʹnosh,+
son of Seth,+
son of Adam,+
son of God.
Colossians 1.15-16
He is the image of the invisible God,+ the firstborn of all creation;+ 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created
Hebrews 1.3
He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,+ and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins,+ he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high
Oga most of the verses you quoted talk about Jesus not Adam.
And none address the question in any way.
It pains me that I had to read these scriptures one by one only to find that you were not even relating to the question

DappaD:
Refer to this earlier post of mine. The “tree of knowledge of good and bad” is what seems to be confusing you.

Now you are going round in circles are you saying Adam’s knowledge was same with God's or not.

What else do you want the bible to say before you understand.
You big point is because he was in the image of God he must have had such knowledge.
Still you agree that having the image of God did not guarantee him all of God's knowledge.
If you believe that the fruit of knowledge of good and evil meant something else, could you using the bible point to its new meaning.
If you truly believe that the tree of knowledge of good and evil meant something else and you are not justhe arguing for the sake of it, please show any verse that explains it your way. If you don't have any verse that shows your view then ask your friends to help you so we don't continue to go in circles

achorladey:
He is talking about the ROMAN CATHOLICS who came after the time of the apostles. He is using the history of the roman Catholics and perhaps the reformers too here.

The problem comes from the fact that the same people they tagged PAGANS and GRECIANS PHILOSOPHER compile the Bible they equally use today.

That is the point. Much good came from these so called evil people

achorladey:
Don't worry they have seen the post already. Only that don't expect them to accept it.

That's part of the protocol. To them you don't know the truth yet and you won't have the truth or be in the truth until you become a JWs.

JWs won't be the first to show loyalty to their church. Others were there before them even up till today

I understand, they must defend their ground. It's human nature

DappaD:
The REAL Christians never took up weapons to force anybody to convert. Matthew 26:52
Instead, they were intensely persecuted by the Roman authorities who claimed that the new Christians otherwise called “Messianists” were odd people, they didn’t mix in with the Greek culture and practice interfaith because of their stand and so were persecuted for that.
John 15:18-20, 2Corinthians 6:14-17

We have little or no record of the life's of the first Christian in fact o ly the book of acts gives a brief history of the early Christians.
Also, not every fight is carried outhe with guns. Jesus fought the leadership system of the jews. There are some many ways to engage. War is just 1 option
It's also possible that the early church was not equipped or organized enough to defend itself from rome.
Luke 14.28
to build a tower does not first sit down and calculate the expense to see if he has enough to complete it? 29 Otherwise, he might lay its foundation but not be able to finish it, and all the onlookers would start to ridicule him, 30 saying: ‘This man started to build but was not able to finish.’ 31 Or what king marching out against another king in war does not first sit down and take counsel whether he is able with 10,000 troops to stand up to the one who comes against him with 20,000? 32 If, in fact, he cannot do so, then while that one is yet far away, he sends out a body of ambassadors and sues for peace.
The early Christians where few and ill equipped for a war.

DappaD:
Jesus had to be taught by his Father because the wisdom and knowledge he portrayed wasn’t innate. John 7:16
Yet he did the will of Jehovah[John 4:34] something that his perfect human equivalent, Adam had failed to do. Romans 5:18

We get all this but what I need to understand from you is Adams perfection. Did Adam have all the knowledge and personality of God?
This had been the real discussion. You said Adam was perfect so he could not be lacking in knowledge.

achorladey:
It's not a case of trying to understand what you are stating or typing.

The agenda has always been you don't have the knowledge to go against what they have. They have told you repeatedly the only channel JEHOVAH is using is the governing body of JWs. You cannot be wiser than them. Are you? .

When they go out to preach they don't go to gain knowledge from you. The protocol is they can't exchange what they see as LIES from your mouth with what they see as TRUTH they have come to teach you.

Your guys are against the work of the early church but I am not. And that's a topic we can discuss. Your church and many others have a chance to blossom because of many of these good men who's work gave Christianity a chance
Als every child thinks his father's farm is the biggest. It's great to see that you are loyal to your church but that makes you just like every other Christian fighting for his church's agendas

DappaD:
You don’t have to put words in my mouth. I never said that Adam possessed ALL of God’s attributes. Only Jehovah’s wisdom is unsearchable. Isaiah 40:28, Romans 11:33
His firstborn Son, Jesus had to be taught from Jehovah himself so Jesus doesn’t even innately possess the knowledge that he dispensed to his followers while on earth. John 7:16
Adam, being created in God’s image meant that he is able to reflect, like you said, emotions, sense of justice, power etc. But he also has the free will to make decisions for himself and that’s why God told him the tree was off-limits.
Genesis 2:17
If you still insist that Adam was a dullard/baby, then he is not the one to blame but God is, right? Then that would prove Satan’s claim that God wasn’t straightforward with Adam&Eve[Genesis 3:5] and would also negate an important facet of Jehovah’s personality—which is honesty/uprightness.
Deuteronomy 32:4, Psalm 25:8

Wait are you now saying that it's possible Adam did not know everything Jehovah knew despite the fact that he was perfect?
If so the why have we been arguing. Now you should be able to believe the bible and what it teaches about the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
Sorry, I am not getting you, what lie are you saying God told Adam and eve?

DappaD:
After the first century, all those supposed “Christians” were all Grecian philosophers and pagan worshipers. How else would you explain the Inquisition? So-called holy wars and crusades? Most especially by the Catholic Church? Shame of you to even call such a dastardly act an “unstoppable force”.
Jesus told his own disciples that they must preach and teach others peacefully[Matthew 10:11-13, 28:19,20; Acts 1:8] so as to allow others make the truth their own[Romans 12:1,2] and not to go and threaten the lives of people, torture them and even burning many alive on the stake. They took time to christianize their pagan religions in the process that’s why you have all manner of false holidays springing from modern religions e.g. Christmas, Easter, Valentine and so on.
So indeed, what Jesus said at Matthew 13:24-30 took shape after the first century overseers[Paul, Peter, John etc] all died.
Compare Acts 20:29,30; 2Peter 2:1

You are free to condemn anyone. No one said the early Christians were perfect. Did you even understand my post

DappaD:
The real sense of the word “Perfect” is not a relative term from Jehovah’s standpoint . Deuteronomy 32:4-5 & Ecclesiastes 7:29 let’s us understand that Adam was created perfect but he was the one who became corrupt and imperfect. Jehovah even said, concluding creation of mankind: “It was very good” Genesis 1:31
Meaning that his creation was flawless but Adam chose to disobey and became imperfect. He never became like “God” in the actual sense at anytime. If not, which kind of “God” would grow old and die? Did he became immortal after eating the fruit? Becoming like “God” connotes him setting his own standards of good and bad since he desired independence but I guess that doesn’t make sense to you so try and relate to us how Adam became a “God” yet he underwent old-age and returned to dust at the age of 930.
Genesis 3:19,5:5

Please would a lion sin when it tears down his prey? No because they’re all acting on instinct and not with a conscience and intelligent mind like we have. Besides it was only after Adam and Eve sinned, that some animals became carnivorous. Before that, they ALL relied on herbs for food. Genesis 1:30



When it comes to imperfect human beings, that’s when “perfection” becomes relative in the sense of the word. After Adam fell to sin, all his descendants inherited error and fell short of God’s glory[Psalm 51:5, Romans 3:23] so it’s not possible now to be fully “perfect” in pleasing Jehovah since we are sinners[James 3:2]
What Jesus means at Matthew 5:48 is that our love and devotion to Jehovah must be “complete” and “wholesouled”—this is something that is within the reach of an imperfect human being.
compare Mark 12:29-30, Colossians 3:23

Are you saying that Adam was created in God's image so just as God in perfect, Adam was perfect?
That Adam was just as complete as God, having all knowledge like God, have a of God's attributes, emotions (the same mind as God) and power. Hence there was no way he could not have the knowledge of Good and evil?
Is this what you have been trying to say?
Also let me ask, was eve also a complete and perfect being Like God? Was she also in God's image.