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haddeylium:
Are you implying that
The fact that you're a citizen is nothing to you;
You will disobey the Authorities of the land?
and you carry passport

The simple answer to your question can be found in history.
The disciples of Christ continued to spread his words despite opposition yet they continued as good citizens. Soon the nations of the west became Christians. Today Christianity i's the world's biggest religion.
Christianity did not spread because a group disassociated themselves from society and citizenship.
Instead, it became mainstream and was an unstoppable force.
As christians we have a right to fight to make a community our society a better place.
That was what people like Martin Luther Did laying the foundation for people like you to preach without persecution in most parts of the world.
Christianity blossomed, human rights and the Rights of Man sprang forth and the world became a better place for us all because of the efforts of many great Christians.
When Jesus Christ was on Earth he was also pushing the agenda of change.
He sought to make he's Nation that's the Jewish Nation a better place he wanted to free the people from the Burdens placed on them by their religious leaders. That shows you that a Christian is an agent of change in society.
Jesus Christ was very mindful of his Jewish community. His gospel was for the jews, his people first before the rest of the world.
He even referee to a non Jewish woman seeking his help as a dog. Jesus Christ loved his people the jews. He kept Jewish customs yet he fought against corruption like trading in the temple. As christians, we fight to make our country a better place

MaxInDHouse:
The mosquito was not created in God's image my friend!
All the animals, Birds, fishes and inspect also rebelled against man after they left the garden of Eden (God's presence)

Oga I think I finally understand your view. Let me are to be sure. Are you saying that Adam was created in God's image so just as God in perfect, Adam was perfect?
That Adam was just as complete as God, having all knowledge like God, have a of God's attributes, emotions (the same mind as God) and power. Hence there was no way he could not have the knowledge of Good and evil?
Is this what you have been trying to say?
Also let me ask, was eve also a complete and perfect being Like God? Was she also in God's image.

haddeylium:
I said claiming to be in the possession of a spiritual language is not enough. Do you think mere saying it without nothin to show for it rendered it ungenuine.

In your past discuss with DappaD. He asked you a question that you didn't provide answers to.

Jesus instructed his Disciples to Preach, make followers and bear witnesses
But, the Authorities in the first century decreed against this.

If you're to be alive then, what would be your position on this?

The right thing is always to follow Christ

DappaD:
The real sense of the word “Perfect” is not a relative term from Jehovah’s standpoint . Deuteronomy 32:4-5 & Ecclesiastes 7:29 let’s us understand that Adam was created perfect but he was the one who became corrupt and imperfect. Jehovah even said, concluding creation of mankind: “It was very good” Genesis 1:31
Meaning that his creation was flawless but Adam chose to disobey and became imperfect. He never became like “God” in the actual sense at anytime. If not, which kind of “God” would grow old and die? Did he became immortal after eating the fruit? Becoming like “God” connotes him setting his own standards of good and bad since he desired independence but I guess that doesn’t make sense to you so try and relate to us how Adam became a “God” yet he underwent old-age and returned to dust at the age of 930.
Genesis 3:19,5:5

Please would a lion sin when it tears down his prey? No because they’re all acting on instinct and not with a conscience and intelligent mind like we have. Besides it was only after Adam and Eve sinned, that some animals became carnivorous. Before that, they ALL relied on herbs for food. Genesis 1:30



When it comes to imperfect human beings, that’s when “perfection” becomes relative in the sense of the word. After Adam fell to sin, all his descendants inherited error and fell short of God’s glory[Psalm 51:5, Romans 3:23] so it’s not possible now to be fully “perfect” in pleasing Jehovah since we are sinners[James 3:2]
What Jesus means at Matthew 5:48 is that our love and devotion to Jehovah must be “complete” and “wholesouled”—this is something that is within the reach of an imperfect human being.
compare Mark 12:29-30, Colossians 3:23

You obviously don't understand, Adam being perfect has nothing to do with the fact that he did not have the knowledge of good and evil.
The birds were also perfect yet they did not know good and evil.
There was a big difference between God and adam

MaxInDHouse:
He is just battling with his conscience to prove obstinate, no doubt he has gotten the message clearly!
He now know God's people are practicing pure worship before his nose while he's been dancing around picking and dropping one sect after another. He can argue in favour of any religion as long as it's called religion even when he is not worshiping with them.
Let him continue tormenting himself with deceit, at least he is please with the idea that so many religions around him have erroneous teachings and he can't find any that's accurately practicing Christianity. So he can forward his own opinion and welcome ideas from different sects.
That's enough for him!

I totally agree with you everything God created was perfect. The lion, the ant the mosquito. So saying Adam was perfect does not really come in here.
The mosquito was prefect yet it did not know good from evil.
Man did not know Good from evil like the bible said.

haddeylium:
You're right!
Of course, anyone can claim to have a spiritual language.
But, can they show they do?..NO!


Maybe your eyes skipped this 'DappaD's'

Jesus instructions to his Disciples is that 'They must preach and bear Witness of his name'.
But the Authorities decreed against this

What would be your Position on this?

Let's see the application

I am not sure I get the question

MaxInDHouse:
I can see that you're battle prepared to continue arguing but that's not what we were sent to do Sir, our assignment is to make presentation of the pure worship before everyone, once we notice that you're trying to pitch your own tent we will leave you alone, one thing we must make clear ~
God is one, his worshipers must worship him the same way so if you're not ready to worship the same way we do and we aren't ready to join you it simply means WE (JWs) ARE NOT WORSHIPING THE SAME GOD WITH YOU. Period!

You obviously did not get my point...
I was actually warning against pointless arguments like you claiming to be the chosen group a thing you can't prove

MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah, Jesus' words should have meaning and those practicing it should be noticed everywhere they are nah! John 13:34-35

We can argue from now to burst who are those practicin his words. The best we can do is what we are already doing.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=98587347]He was a perfect creature directly made by the most high God {Genesis 1:26} any defects in him must have been the inefficiency of his maker.
So if you don't believe that Adam already know good and evil in a literal sense then you're blaming God!
When Jesus Christ said be ye perfect even as my Father in heaven, he was not talking of Adams kind of perfection the type that came without knowledge of good and bad.
He meant the perfection of the all knowing father.

MaxInDHouse:
He was a perfect creature directly made by the most high God {Genesis 1:26} any defects in him must have been the inefficiency of his maker.
So if you don't believe that Adam already know good and evil in a literal sense then you're blaming God!

Perfect is a relatively term. I don't get your logic Blaming God for what? Perfection is relative to function. When good created the lion, it was also perfect but that was relative to its function.
I can't blame God. It was he who told us that after Adam ate the fruit, he became like God.
So when you say perfect, yes I agree but perfect to perform what function?

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you several times "you are not our type" there is just one language that help us to know our type, many are out there love the language but are earnestly looking for the people speaking it!

The language is spiritual! The first thing we will hear to identify them is their interest in knowing the one and only religion that's approved by God and those practicing it.
Whenever, wherever we find anyone asking such a question whether verbally or through their actions we are under obligation to speak the language to them.
Note that such a person will not start arguing in support of religions that he himself is no part of the way you've been doing, rather our lost brother will be asking for proof to ascertain that he has found what he's been longing for!
Our lost brother will not start comparing Islam, Buddha, Krishna, Deeperlife and RCCG with what we're presenting to him. He already knows that our one God must have just one form of religion he approves. So all we need is proof that we have found that one and only pure worship!

That's why we will quickly refute the claim that you're one of our brothers, but even if our lost brother is a member of Boko Haram as long as he is fighting for the one and only pure worship in his heart Jesus will locate him. Act 22:4; 1Corinthians 15:9

So the type of questions you're asking has revealed to us that you're not one of our lost brothers!

OK I am not you type. Your type asks questions that you have answers to.
Let's not deflect. We were talking about Adam

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying Jesus don't know what he is saying or all the 41,000 different religions claiming Christian with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are for the man who said those words?

I am quoting you not Jesus. Anyone can say Jesus words.

MaxInDHouse:
Let them come out to present themselves!

We are the light of the world, a city built on the mountain top can never be hidden! Matthew 5:13-16

Every one quotes that verse.

MaxInDHouse:
We are his Witnesses!

So we must question him before we can go and DEFEND his WORD with efficacy before people {Exodus 3:11-14} because if we failed to defend his word efficiently then it will just be as if anything anybody say should be taken and there should be NO QUESTION whether it's WORKING or not, that's an insult on our heavenly father.
So we must be fully competent and completely equipped to defend his word before those who are already looking for the TRUTH. 2Timothy 3:16-17
But when we discover that you're already contented with the contradictions on ground, we go WAKA PASS {Matthew 10:13} our Ògá pátápátá sent us out in search of the lost sheep of the house of Israel (those who feels like knowing the one and only pure worship) Matthew 10:6

You want to question God but you want everyone to accept your interpretationstory without question.
Repeat the question again I have a few minutes

MaxInDHouse:

Its not my position. To question God's intentions. I follow his words. You do the questioning

MaxInDHouse:
Even our Ògá pátápátá (Jesus Christ) God's word didn't just say the scriptures belongs to him but that "Jesus is the WORD of God" {John 1:1} upon all his wahala and explanations how many of his contemporaries agreed that his explanations was clear and understanding? John 6:64-66, 10:19-20

So we are not surprised, if the word of God himself can only get few that will understand his utterances, how much more we that we're just his messengers? John 15:20

As long as we're able to reach all lands and fish out disciples for our Ògá, the rest is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

Every church is fishing their disciples. That isn't the topic for today.

MaxInDHouse:
James 2:18-26

Says if you can't find any fine WORKS in the faith you profess, then know that your faith is DEAD!

I showed you an interpretation of what the Bible is saying, you're agitating that you've never heard it before, the ones you've been hearing ever since you were born can you point to its positive as in unique effect on those adhering to it?

Now read James 2:18-26 again!

Oga abeg are you still talking about Adam here?

MaxInDHouse:
If you find any other interpretation that's working out something tangible please! please!! please!!! don't forget to inform me, but for now i completely agree with the interpretation that's WORKING! James 2:18-26

My friend, the Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, no matter how you read it the understanding has been given to a group {Daniel 12:10} all those who oppose that group are on their own! Matthew 24:45

If the bible belongs to you then explaining it clearly shouldn't be a problem for you.
Talk is cheap, anyone can claim anything.
When you say stuff like the the bible belongs to Jw, it means no one has the right to ask questions we should just accept anything you give to us.
Christianity crossed that stage years ago with the coming of the reformers. You now want to take us back after so much progress has been made

MaxInDHouse:
If you find any other interpretation that's working out something tangible please! please!! please!!! don't forget to inform me, but for now i completely agree with the interpretation that's WORKING! James 2:18-26

My friend, the Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, no matter how you read it the understanding has been given to a group {Daniel 12:10} all those who oppose that group are on their own! Matthew 24:45

Oga James 2.18-26 does not reflect anything you have said unless you want to make another spiritual translation.
James 2.18-26
Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.+ 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?+ 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works,+ 23 and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah,* and it was counted to him as righteousness,”+ and he came to be called Jehovah’s* friend.+
24 You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same manner, was not Raʹhab the prostitute also declared righteous by works after she received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way?+ 26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit* is dead,+ so also faith without works is dead.

I copied the whole thing for all to read. Let's find the verse that says Adam knew good from evil before eating the fruit.
You shouldn't just be giving me bible assignment when you know it's not important to our discussion. Not fair.

MaxInDHouse:
My friend it is all spiritual language!
The good and evil means God's sovereignty, only God can make rules for humans, the rulership of mankind doesn't belong to us but to our Creator! Jeremiah 10:23
So knowledge of good and evil connotes the right to set standards and only JEHOVAH can do that perfectly, mankind has been on this issue for thousands of years trying all forms of government all to no avail, the present system the world is propagating now is DEMOCRACY, it's still about how to set standards within ourselves whereas only God can do that!

You and i agreed that killing is evil but how are we going to end it? You're saying until Jesus announce it whereas JEHOVAH has passed the message through his son (Jesus) Jesus has passed the message through the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and so far so good people from all nations have agreed to live by it.

Yet you don't want to agree even when you know it's perfectly OK if all of us agree!




It's just a demand for privacy/Independence, only JWs can expatiate to help you with that, if you go out there they will just continue to twist the account here and there, nothing tangible will come out from Churches of Christendom on the topic!

A deeper life could claim that they have the right interpretation, a redeem could say the same. I don't accept private interpretation.
I prefer to follow the bibles interpretation.
If you had a verse or 2 that express your position, that would have been something else but you have no verse that says that God meant something else when he spoke of good and evil.
Yet you insist on creating new meaning for a simple verse, why?

MaxInDHouse:
Spiritual language my friend!

It simply means

Adam wants absolute freedom (in the flesh) but don't allow him to remain in my presence where life sustaining info is because that's what they needed to continue living {Matthew 4:4} i'm ready to disengage him
So it's the words from JEHOVAH'S month that they're not getting again that made them began deteriorating gradually until they expired!
Had it been they were still in his presence they would have lived till today!
Whenever you read about the water flowing from God {Revelations 22:1:17} it connotes timely information that perfect humans need to live forever! John 4:14

So calm down and learn from us, we are not arrogant neither are we better than you but we are connected with the only source of spiritual nourishment today the GOVERNING BODY of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Any body can claim anything using[b] 'Spiritual Language' [/b]as an excuse. We all can claim to have PhD in spiritual language.

MaxInDHouse:
The language JEHOVAH, Adam, Eve and Satan spoke in the garden of Eden was Spiritual Sir, so don't take it literal otherwise you will mix up everything.

What Adam meant by

"we are naked" is

"we need privacy/independent"

That's why Jehovah asked his angels to drive them out from his garden after all he is prepared to give them the whole earth {Psalms 115:16} but they must leave his presence if they truly want to be independent of him. That's why you can see anywhere God spoke or had a dealing with Adam and Eve till they expired!

So you mean they actually knew good from evil but the bible was trying to be spiritual by saying the opposite,?
And again I can't depend of your private interpretation of Adams unclothedness.

MaxInDHouse:
There is just one single difference between Adam and Jesus, one was created as a spirit being while the other was made to live in flesh both of them are God's perfect sons! Matthew 17:5; Luke 3:38
Jes8us said "of all those born by women, there is none greater than John (the baptist)" {Matthew 11:11} because imperfection began outside the garden of Eden, according to Jesus Adam was the greatest man who ever walked this earth because God made him directly he was not born by any woman he weighed the same as Jesus before God! {1Corinthians 15:45} that's why only Jesus (another perfect human) can redeem mankind from the curse the first perfect man brought upon innocent mankind! Romans 5:12

Yet he did not know good or evil until he ate the fruit.
Genesis 3.22
Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad.+ Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life+ and eat and live forever,

DappaD:
Adam’s mental powers were fully active. In fact, his human nature and his brain was the most glorious because he was personally molded by Jehovah God. Genesis 2:7, Luke 3:38
Moreover he was made in God’s image so he could think, feel and make decisions. Genesis 1:26

Adam was not stupid if not it would mean that God was being dubious on his part by telling him the tree of knowledge of good and bad was off limits. Genesis 2:17

Jehovah needed to put an object of authority before Adam to let him know his freedom is not absolute else there would be chaos since there will be a great number of his intelligent kind who would come after him. So the tree was just symbolizing God’s authority over Adam because Jehovah should be the only person who should set standards of good and bad for all humans. compare Proverbs 3:5-7
But Adam and Eve after eating the fruit became wise in their own eyes and started trading blames.
Genesis 3:10-13
That’s why Jehovah condemned them to death(Genesis 3:19)and promised that their own children would be set free from the sin and death that Adam brought upon them. Genesis 3:15

Not only Adam we all are all made afterm Jehovah but Adam lacked the knowledge of right and wrong. That's what the bible says.
You said he wasn't stupid... I guess not but like every child he did not know he was naked. There was so much more he did not know until he ate the fruit.
It was the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. Planted by God himself in the midst of the garden.
Without knowing good from evil you cannot sin
Deuteronomy 1:39
And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

DappaD:
If Adam had not sinned, would Jesus have come down to do anything? Please answer me.
Adam was meant to be the Eternal Father of the human race and pass on instructions for us to follow so that we might live forever on earth but failed miserably because of a very terrible and detestable sin that he committed.
Genesis 3:19
That’s why Jesus Christ replaced him.
Isaiah 9:6,7; 1Corinthians 15:45,47
Ever since then, all of Adam’s descendants fell short of the glory of God meaning we were no longer perfect like Adam was. [Romans 3:23]

In the future when death will have been defeated[Isaiah 25:8, 1Corinthians 15:26], that’s when we will be able to enjoy life without end here on earth. Notice what is said at Revelation 21:3-5, the promise is for “mankind” and not spirits.
Compare Psalm 37:29, Matthew 5:5


P.S. You don’t want to listen to Jehovah’s Witnesses so there’s no need explaining what “heirs” mean in the context of Romans 8:14-17.

Again Adam could not have sinned. He lacked knowledge of Good and evil.
Just like babies can't sin because they lack knowledge of right and wrong

DappaD:
If Adam had not sinned, would Jesus have come down to do anything? Please answer me.
Adam was meant to be the Eternal Father of the human race and pass on instructions for us to follow so that we might live forever on earth but failed miserably because of a very terrible and detestable sin that he committed.
Genesis 3:19
That’s why Jesus Christ replaced him.
Isaiah 9:6,7; 1Corinthians 15:45,47
Ever since then, all of Adam’s descendants fell short of the glory of God meaning we were no longer perfect like Adam was. [Romans 3:23]

In the future when death will have been defeated[Isaiah 25:8, 1Corinthians 15:26], that’s when we will be able to enjoy life without end here on earth. Notice what is said at Revelation 21:3-5, the promise is for “mankind” and not spirits.
Compare Psalm 37:29, Matthew 5:5


P.S. You don’t want to listen to Jehovah’s Witnesses so there’s no need explaining what “heirs” mean in the context of Romans 8:14-17.

Sorry I am not giving elaborate replies. I am at work.
Jesus was the lamb slain before the world was create. His eternal role is beyond Adams earthly creation.
He had this role and destiny before Adam set a foot on eden.
And I made a mistake in some of my post yesterday I would correct it hopefully today (Eternal life comes after resurrection).
But resurrection isn't eternal life. Every human being would be resurrected but not everyone would have eternal life

MaxInDHouse:
To himself and his friend the only truth is calling Jesus' name and trying to be nice from one's perspective. The idea of subjecting oneself to a form of rules with others sounds like subjection to the organizers of such a group.
So to him JWs are cool but it's not necessary that everyone must be submissive to the GB!

Baba take it easy na. Forget about my person. I am not the topic of discussion na.

achorladey:
No correlation with the post you respond to. Diverting as usual

I see everyone on this thead and respected people.
I don't know if MaxInDHouse has issue with you but I think he is getting distracted. He thinks both of us are old friends. Please if you can, make up with him so that he stays on points.
We can do away with the personal attacks.

DappaD:
I don’t think Tcwork even knows what he’s doing to himself. Even Jesus Christ had several other forefathers, yet he’s constantly called the “Son of David” Matthew 1:1, Luke 1:31-33, John 7:42
The reason because David is described as the man agreeable to Jehovah’s heart(Acts 13:22) meanwhile Tcwork is here saying something else. Notice how he keeps shifting goalposts, he’s even repeating his usual phrase
“I generally like you guys” as a subtle way of saying “What you’re saying makes sense but my own is what works for me”
So all that’s left for him to do is humble himself before the truth. 1Peter 5:5

Yea that was why David was a big disappointment and why he did not receive the salvation others got.
And Mr DappaD once I am off duty, I would explain to you what eternal life means, Adam did not have eternal life in the Garden. Eternal live is the life God has. The life he promised to all those that overcome. Not a garden life, something much more glorious.
Remember we are called heirs. What do we inherite, the Godly nature much superior to what Adam had

Doraty1:
https://dailypost.ng/2021/01/30/lgbt-despite-anti-gay-law-homosexuality-rises-in-nigeria-few-days-into-bidens-presidency/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Haba which kind of article is this, Biden has not even been in power for 2 weeks and someone is claiming to have statistics of nigerian homosexuals.
Please stop being sensational and speak to facts.
How did you carry out your research to determine the growth in homosexuals.
Or you just felt bored and wrote up an article.

DappaD:
Tcwork has already chosen to be blind to the facts because I noticed how he was fumbling and fidgeting when I brought David’s case to the fore.

My brother David was a murderer he is not in the standing of the Holy prophets. So using him as an example is not really the best. We are looking at upright men who works of faith (believe in Jesus Christ ) gives them a hope in Christ's glory

DappaD:
Tcwork has been extremely sentimental in his approach so far as he’s not even ready to listen and obey Jesus’ own words on moral issues.
Luckily for us, Jesus said only those listening to him are on his side so there is no middle ground.
John 18:37 compare Matthew 12:30

As the other one who is fuelling Tcwork’s ego, I just treat him like he’s nonexistent.

Chief this is not a war.
I understand your overzealous nature. But you way of seeing things is just one way.
I am sure the JW teachings makes sense to you. But it may not make sense to billions of other's. JW has so many unanswered questions. I would give answer to your last post but I am still at work.
Truse me I really like you guys. I am not offended by you. I enjoy the discussion with you. So take it easy. God created us differently so we can't believe in the same doctrine. You just make your points and I make mine. We can't continue to love each other despite our differences.
The major issue I was having with you is when you write a scripture, I take the pains to read it only to see that it has no link with our topic. I feel like that's a waste of our time so I wanted you to use scriptures that fit to topic. But generally I find you very ok. I am sure you are a nice guy