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DappaD:
Thank you! Now let’s use John 3:16 as a case study.
John 3:16 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

It is well known that Jesus came to the earth to give his life as a ransom in exchange for ours so that we might gain everlasting life.
Compare Matthew 20:28/1Timothy 2:6

But what is the “ransom” and why did he have to give his life in the first place? The basic understanding of the word “ransom” means a price paid for the release of one held in slavery/bondage.
How did we get into slavery? And to what?

We’ll do well to consider what transpired in the garden of Eden about six millennia ago. Jehovah created Adam, he was made perfect, given him a home, satisfying work, a spouse, nutritious food but he was given something even more precious—the prospect of living forever—on earth. Genesis 2:17

But this precious gift was to be gotten only through adherence to God’s simple command. As we all know, Adam&Eve sinned, lost the opportunity of living forever here on earth. They and their unborn children were thereby tainted by sin and condemned/made slaves to death. Genesis 3:19, Psalm 51:5, Romans 5:12

This brings us back to John 3:16. Jehovah had to send his perfect Son[Hebrews 7:26] to die in our behalf in order that we might regain that long lost promise of endless life that was promised to Adam. compare 1Corinthians 15:22

Since we are all imperfect[tainted] humans, no matter how much effort is put, we cannot erase inherited sin and death from themselves. Psalm 49:7-9
Several alchemists during the Dark Ages even tried to extend their lives, all to no avail. This comes as no surprise, after all we were all made with the desire to live forever. Ecclesiastes 3:11

That’s why Jehovah did not leave humans to their fate, otherwise we are all dead men walking. So in order, not to die anymore, one must take in knowledge of Jehovah, exercise faith in and obey Jesus Christ. John 6:40, 17:3
Anyone who refuses to obey Jesus Christ is already condemned to death. John 3:36

P.S. Everlasting life is not to be confused with immortality, since that’s a different ball game.

I would read tomorrow. Sleep don catch me

haddeylium:
TcWork.
Do you know the person you rubbing palm with think Trinity doctrine is an unreasonable one and of pagan origin

This is not a war bro.

achorladey:
In simple terms accept what I have said without questions because

1. I belong to the organization God is using to save people today

2. All others don't have accurate knowledge of the scriptures like JWs

3. I don't have to support my assertions scripturally, if you are humble enough even if you don't understand what I have said. Accept it without doubts or raising questions.


That is their mode of operations!!!

He is being overzealous I get that. I hope he learns in time.
We don't only preach love. We show love.

achorladey:
Na only cornered you see, you never see freekicked to one side. David even spoke concerning the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ Acts 2:31 and the good news Peter, Paul and the rest suffered for was to proclaim the resurrection of Jesus Christ and you are still saying they don't have faith in Jesus Christ

DappaD has continued to show rudeness. He thinks this is a fight. I just hope one of his people would call him to order.

DappaD:
Ahh, I thought you said those faithful men and women already have “eternal life”? You’re speaking from two sides of your mouth now?

I will requote my earlier comment for you to see again.



Just admit that you’ve already been cornered with no way out and go to bed.

Now let me help you a bit before you get carried away.
You have been trying hard to prove that the prophets of old did not know Christ. But the you read Hebrew that tells you that they where men of faith and the received that promise that you and I and still working to obtain.
Don't you see?
And of all your members, you seem to be the most rude. Some of the others are rude but you are way up.
You just told a grown man to go to bed. Are this discussion we are having means nothing if we can't show example of believers.
Our discussion wouldn't take us to heaven, our actions would.
You can't be I'll mannered for Christ.

DappaD:
Ahh, I thought you said those faithful men and women already have “eternal life”? You’re speaking from two sides of your mouth now?

I will requote my earlier comment for you to see again.



Just admit that you’ve already been cornered with no way out and go to bed.

What is eternal life
John 17.3
This means everlasting life,+ their coming to know you,* the only true God,+ and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Every old testament prophet knew God and Jesus Christ.

DappaD:
You keep mulling over insignificant details. Can I ask the reason why? It seems I need to be more succinct with my replies to you.

Stop giving insignificant details

DappaD:
Before it was “the scriptures I quoted do not support my points” now it has come to you misconstruing a simple and direct statement made by Paul at Hebrews 11:39-40
You’ve been saying that the faithful men and women of old have already gained everlasting life, can you please provide the scripture?

Because as we know, even David was given a promise that his offspring[Messiah] would rule in a Kingdom that God would set up[2Samuel 7:12-13] and David put faith in those words yet he never saw the fulfillment of it in that he never got to be part of the arrangement. Acts 2:29-34
That’s the import of Hebrews 11:39-40.

Yes I said so. Jesus was the first fruit of resurrection. Before the resurrection of Christ these faithful men where yet to rise. But the parable of Jesus and the visit of Elijah and Moses tells us where they where. These righteous men lived as spirits in paradise awaiting the resurrection of Christ

achorladey:
I believe he does not understand what you mean by the part he coloured

He is not happy because I said that I have donated money for their publication. He thinks I am feeling proud

Mr DappaD
Now you are over doing it.
What does Hebrew 12.1 add to this talk...
So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us,+ and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.
We have over 2k views on this thread not all are as brilliant as you sir. I agree, you know the bible very well but help us by explaining and showing how what you write relates. Please

achorladey:
Colouring the conversion with REMARKS about you everywhere rather than face what is before him. Hoping those remarks will make you back off

I believe he is trying to express something but does not have the right words yet. He should calm down and collect himself. He is all over the place.

DappaD:
Be careful not to allow pride becloud your reasoning. Matthew 6:2

Pride kwa...ok sir I heAR you

DappaD:
Hebrews 11:39,40 NWT
“And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us”

I know this scripture will be giving you severe headache by now but this is strong proof that not one of the faithful men and women before Jesus Christ are yet qualified for everlasting life. Paul refers to all of them as the “great cloud of witnesses” meaning they are also if great value to Jehovah but are not qualified to receive the gift of everlasting life yet. Hebrews 12:1
Just take your time to digest it slowly so you don’t run into further problems.

Claim down but like I said you quote does not in any way indicate that. First your quote shows that these were men of faith. They had faith in christ and because of that they where promised eternal life. But they could not obtain it yet until Christ came and paid the price. How does this scripture have a bearing with anything you are saying.
He never said that they were not qualified. That's your addition

achorladey:
He is not ready to accept that. Their must be something called SCRIPTURAL ABUSE

He is confusing me

DappaD:
All this one just to dodge the discussion abi. You won’t just admit that there’s nothing else you have to say on the matter. Indeed, the wisdom—which God gives[James 1:5]—is vindicated[proved righteous] by works/actions. Matthew 11:19

Honestly sir
You say something but quote something else.. for example you quoted
Hebrews 11.35
Women received their dead by resurrection,+ but other men were tortured because they would not accept release by some ransom, in order that they might attain a better resurrection.
This verse speaks about women receiving their husbands who died as martyrs. Ok?

How does this relate to anything you said.
I only want you to make yourself more clear. Ok
I may not be as smart as you are and many others on the tread may not be that smart so do us all the favor and show us how these scriptures reflex your views

DappaD:
There’s actually no need for much deliberation. Paul has already summarised everything about this discussion in Hebrews 11:39.

Moreover, those going to heaven to rule along Jesus are partakers of the new covenant.
Luke 22:28-30, Hebrews 8:8-12
And if I can remember clearly, Moses, Samuel, David, Solomon etc were all under the old covenant when they died. Exodus 19:5
So what’s the essence of God establishing a new covenant that is completely different from the former if those under the old one will still benefit from the new one? Jeremiah 31:31-34

All you need to do is understand what “everlasting life” is, so that you’ll stop mistaking it for life in heaven.

None of the scriptures you use correspond with your points.

achorladey:
And you got no response to the above because the CONTRADICTIONS made by Max to whom the post is meant for has been laid bare for him to see . In reality JWs are not PACIFIST. He had only made another confirmation


We can only go to war against non Christians. We are allowed to kill those who do not worship the same God.

My brother I am really having a great time with our JW friends.
I have received insults and ridicule from many of the yet the claim to be the ones facing persecution.
But really I am enjoying myself.
At a time I had an entire horde of them on me
MaxInDHouse has been mostly decent but many that came and fell by the way had been not as nice.
Overall, I study human nature and I know how defensive people are when it gets to religion

MaxInDHouse:
All those prophets are not yet qualified for everlasting life!
First think of how they were all anticipating the arrival of this Prophet, they were filled with high expectations but they never had the opportunity to listen to what he is coming to TEACH whereas Moses whom they all had respect for told their forefathers that whoever wants to gain everlasting life must listen to the Christ! Deuteronomy 18:19
So nobody can say this is how those prophets will react to the counsel from Jesus, even John the baptist whom Jesus himself declared as greater than all those prophets began having doubts whether Jesus could be that promised Christ! Matthew 11:2-3
That's why all of them are not better than their people who hated Jesus for the utterances of his mouth and his unpalatable counsels. Apostle Paul made it clear that people must hear the teachings of Jesus before they can be in line for everlasting life! Romans 10:14
So it's after the resurrection of all the dead that Christians on planet earth will TEACH all those people from Abel to John the baptist what Jesus taught us, by then angels will be moving around to write down the names of those who respond positively to what the Christians are teaching {Malachi 3:16} they must all BOW to Jesus' counsel or they are doomed! Revelations 20:14-15

If I get you. You are saying that these prophets did not know the teachings of Jesus Christ?
Could you kindly show me one verse that says so.
I pointed out Rev 19.10
10 At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that!+ I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus.+ Worship God!+ For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy
The last sentence teaches that their prophecies were inspired by the witness of Jesus Christ. So just one scripture to show that they did not have his words please.
These men had the testimony of Christ just like you and I. I would believe all that you say if you have just one verse of scripture that shows that these prophets did nothe have the word of God as quoted in Romans 10.14
Pleas no longer your opinion, just one scripture and I believe you and I would follow you.
One scripture to show that the prophets were ignorant of Christ.
Galatians 3.8-9
Now the scripture, foreseeing that God would declare people of the nations righteous through faith, declared the good news beforehand to Abraham, namely: “By means of you all the nations will be blessed.”+ 9 So those who adhere to faith are being blessed together with Abraham, who had faith.
Abraham had the gospel of Jesus Christ and he is being bleased for it. Abraham had faith in Jesus Christ.
With just one scripture, direct, no bending of scripture show me that Abraham did not have faith in Jesus Christ. That the good news was not taught to Abraham and I would become a JW.
Jesus Christ was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. It was not until he came to earth that men had faith in him.
Just one verse and I would follow you.
But if you don't have the verse don't beat about the bush and waste our time.

MaxInDHouse:
So you're the one to teach us what hatred means shey?
Guy the people who killed Jesus often invites him to come and eat dinner with them in their homes {Luke 7:35} of course you have no reason to hate us if not because of the teachings that makes us different from all of you! John 15:19
The man Jesus told that he must become one of his followers weighed the price and walked away not because he hated Jesus as a person (otherwise he wouldn't have come to Jesus) but the idea that there is no way he can enter God's kingdom without joining Jesus' group of humble and lowly hearted Jews! Luke 18:18-23
From that very day he will hate the man who gave him a condition that doesn't sound palatable to him as what he must do to gain everlasting life {John 6:66} do you think if it's just to donate money this man would decline?

Relax no one is killing you

Marine54:
https://dailytrust.com/i-am-a-fulani-herdsman

Oga don't worry about us and how we would get our protein. It's not like we have been getting it for free.
Nations that don't have herdsmen have not been going hungry.
What bloody arrogance.
Open the border and see if imported beef from Brazil would not come in cheaper in container.

DappaD:
Even the Jews who listened to Jesus liked his manner of teaching and they were even astounded by the wisdom portrayed in his words.
Matthew 7:28-29, John 7:46
But how many of them were willing to follow the Messiah even if it meant facing opposition from family and society? Matthew 16:24
John 12:42-43 says that those men though, they knew Jesus was the Messiah refused to acknowledge him publicly because of fear of the oppressive religious leaders in their day. So if you want to REALLY follow Jesus Christ, you must be willing to break free from false religious ideologies and teachings. Revelation 18:4

DappaD D
We are talking about many things at the same time. Let's take it one by one. You said the prophets did not have much faith in Christ. Please could we disuss that first.
And please stop using scripture that don't apply to what you are saying.

DappaD:
Even the Jews who listened to Jesus liked his manner of teaching and they were even astounded by the wisdom portrayed in his words.
Matthew 7:28-29, John 7:46
But how many of them were willing to follow the Messiah even if it meant facing opposition from family and society? Matthew 16:24
John 12:42-43 says that those men though, they knew Jesus was the Messiah refused to acknowledge him publicly because of fear of the oppressive religious leaders in their day. So if you want to REALLY follow Jesus Christ, you must be willing to break free from false religious ideologies and teachings. Revelation 18:4

You need a mirror. Your words really apply to you

DappaD:
I’m very very very, very busy today but I’ll give you a suitable reply nonetheless.
Yes, all those ancient Hebrew prophets all had a thing or two to say about the Messiah.
See Deuteronomy 18:15, Psalm 2:6, Isaiah 42:1, 53:8-12, Jeremiah 23:5, Daniel 9:26, Ezekiel 21:26-27, Micah 5:2, Zechariah 9:9 etc
BUT none of them saw the fulfillment of those prophecies. Hebrews 11:39
So how could they have exercised faith and obeyed someone that had not come at the appointed time? Galatians 4:4-5

I intentionally used John 3:16 because it is a popular scripture used by your churches. Most of you people think “everlasting life” means going to heaven but fail to realize that Adam had the same prospect if he had remained obedient.
Genesis 2:17

No one ever said those prophets are lost and forgotten, Jehovah will surely remember and resurrect them to perfect human lives here on earth. John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15




So let me ask you now. During the WWII, when the Axis and Allies powers were pitted against each other. Didn’t we see German Catholics kill Italian Catholics, German Protestants kill Italian Protestants and so on? Which Lord approved of those churches going to war to slaughter their members please?



Moses and Elijah were long dead.
Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
They were represented in the vision but only Jesus Christ was literally present. Most people like you don’t know the real meaning of 2Kings 2:11. You assume that Elijah went to the “heavens” when there are actually different types of heavens such as the sky. See Genesis 1:8
Elijah couldn’t have gone to the spiritual heavens for the following reasons in John 3:13, 1Corinthians 15:36 & 1Corinthians 15:50 but that’s by the way.
If the latter part of Luke 16 is to be taken literal then you’ll have no problem explaining these?

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What is your point.
You stated that the prophets of old did not believe in Christ I have showed you that they did. What more do you want to say.
You claim they are not entitled to eternal life. But that is your opinion. The bible never said so.
So what is your point?
If they did not have faith in him, they wouldn't have prophecied about him. Did the bible ever say that they did not have faith in Christ or is it your opinion?
I respect your opinion on the visit of Moses and Elijah but it's your personal opinion. And please could you give scripture that correlate with what you say. Not one of the scriptures you give correlate with what you say. It's really unfair.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course everyone love Jesus {Luke 4:22; 11:27} it's the utterances from his mouth that's causing trouble for him {Luke 4:23-29} if we also keep quiet without saying a word and you're just observing the way we do things, no one will hate us but due to the gbangbajous message Jesus infused in our brains that we're uttering out most people hate us! John 17:14

Nevertheless we love everyone including those who pose themselves as our enemies! Matthew 5:43-48

Baba calm down no one hates you. No need to feel that important.
Not everyone would accept your message doesn't mean we hate you. Some of my best friends till this day are JW members. I have contributed to your books and have visited your church a number of times.

smith1985:
were u in exile when obj and TY Danjuma carried out genocide in bayelsa? anyways even ICC know they are just blabbing.. Buratai and co will not be touch the earlier u know this the better for u.

And you think I supported the genocide against the bayelsa people.
I don't know if anything would happen but I am on the side of the nigerian people and anything to make these vagabons pay

supportnija:
This ICC FUNNY, AMERICA killed General Quasem Soleimani , when was ICC useless people.

Oga are you for or against this country. The military has killed thousands of innocent nigerian. I don't care about America or Iran. I want justice for my people.
I want nigeria to be a safe place not a place where it's military murders it's civilians.
Let American and Iran do whatever they like. My interest is nigeria.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm feeling for the guy, he is fighting really hard the same way i did some 24 years ago when i first discovered that JWs are one and only group worshiping the true God!

I was totally devastated, bitter and angry.

DappaD if you know me back then you will think i've run mad because i keep confronting anyone i know telling them to stop going to Churches of Christendom because it was clear to me that they're all on the road to destruction.
Thanks to the sister that studied with me back then, she said "I know you truly love them? So calm down and explain to them" 1Peter 3:15

Boss, I just laugh when you talk like this. You may not believe it but I actually like you guys and I understand why you are coming from.
Half the time, I laugh when I read your responses especially when some of you get abusive.
But generally I like you guys

DappaD:
All those aforementioned, though servants of Jehovah according to the understanding they had then, do not qualify for everlasting life yet that’s why Peter said David was still in the dust of the earth! Acts 2:29,34
So how many of them saw Jesus Christ and exercised faith in him? John 3:16
Those faithful men will be resurrected here on earth since they DO NOT qualify for everlasting life yet. Acts 24:15



Try and connect Matthew 26:52 and John 18:36 you’ll see the point I’m driving at. I do not need to spoonfeed you.



My own Bible said that what Peter, James and John saw was a vision. Matthew 17:9



So where is Abraham’s bosom please? You called it a parable yet you want to interpret it literally. If you want to miscontrue the latter portion of Luke 16 you’ll run into a number of problems because for one, what wrong acts did the rich man clothed in purple do to suffer torment and what good acts did Lazarus do to go to Abraham’s bosom?



You’ll not find a single verse in the Old Testament—Not ONE—where Jehovah ever promises anyone going to heaven. Whenever his faithful servants were about to die, God usually said: “You will be gathered to your people” that is, they are to return to the dust not heaven. Compare Isaiah 26:19



Jesus asked his disciples to BUY those swords so that he would teach them a lesson on meekness. Read Luke 22:36-38 carefully.
Please stop twisting the scriptures to fit your own thinking it won’t augur well with you. 2Peter 3:16

So because David did not have eternal life you believe that Abraham and Moses and Elijah suffered the same faith. Pls quote for me. I am listening.
Now you quote John 3.16 to show what really. In case you don't know, every single prophet knew and testified of Jesus Christ. You are not the first to know Christ.
Please read
Acts 10.43
To him all the prophets bear witness,+ that everyone putting faith in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”+
Even before the birth of Christ the prophets believe in him read your bible.
The old testament testified of Jesus Christ
John 5.39
“You are searching the Scriptures+ because you think that you will have everlasting life by means of them; and these are the very ones* that bear witness about me.
Still quoting your bible, you learn that the prophecies were all inspired by the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelations 19.10
At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that!+ I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus.+ Worship God!+ For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.
So never you think that these holy prophets did not believe in Christ and are lost?
Next you try to connect Matthew 26:52 and John 18:36 but still the scripture do not share your view. Again I wouldn't spoonfeed you. Go and read again.


Your Bible said that what Peter, James and John saw was a vision. Matthew 17:9. Please what is a vision. A vision does not mean they saw things that do not exist. You could just use you dictionary to find the meaning of a vision.
Now you don't understand the meaning of a parable. A parable is not a fable.
Don't forget Elijah went to heaven as a living man. Think about that. That alone proofs your teachings wrong.
Go back and read the old testament. There is nothing you know about Jesus Christ that the prophets of old did not know double.

DappaD:
None of those persons you mentioned above—whether Abraham, Joshua or David[active men of war] are qualified for everlasting life yet since the Law is meant to lead to the Messiah who will rescue people from sin and death.
Galatians 3:13,24, Romans 8:21

That’s why we must listen to Jesus Christ if we want to gain everlasting life. John 3:36
So stop becoming wise in your own eyes sir it won’t do you any good. Romans 12:16

Have you forgotten that Peter is a very controversial character?
Ordinarily when Jesus and his disciples go on their preaching tours they only carry a staff for support and not even swords for any reason whatsoever. Mark 6:7-9

But on this occasion, Jesus asked his disciples to buy swords, not for defensive purposes but to teach his disciples[especially Peter] a good lesson that would be imprinted in their hearts and minds. Luke 22:36-38

Jesus knew that Peter acted on every impulse and was presumptuous in his conduct so when he struck the ear of the slave Malchus, Jesus used that avenue to further buttress the point to his disciples that they must never resolve conflicts in that manner and they must remain neutral concerning political and social matters of the world since God’s Kingdom is not of an earthly source. John 17:14-16,18:36

Oga wait you say Abraham Moses Samuel and Elijah do not qualify for eternal life? But you qualify right?
I don't know the bible you use but in my bible these men are all balling in eternal life. The verses John 17.14-16, 18.36 do not speak about politics talk more of political neutrality. How do you people even come up with these things.
Your bible did not teach you that Elijah and Moses visited Christ and Peter witnessed.
Even in a parable the good lazarus was in Abrahams bossom .
So if these holy prophets according to you, would not gain eternity, who would, you?
Now you got many things wrong. Why would you call Peter controversial, hope you know the meaning of controversial.
When Jesus Christ asked for swords, they already had 2 swords. Meaning that the Apostles had weapons during Christ ministry with them not only staffs.
Now you claim to know the mind of Jesus Christ that the swords was to teach Peter and not for defence. Well that is a very personal opinion.
I believe all you wrote is just your personal opinion and has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Learning is great and humility is a key but those proving obstinate will not get anything out of the message of Christ. When Abraham and other servants of God engaged in bloodshed
were they fighting against people worshiping the same God?
what was the name of the God worshiped by the enemies that God's people engaged in battle?
was God supporting some of his worshipers against others who are also his worshipers?


I'll use the case of Israelites and Egyptian army, before the war when JEHOVAH proved to be the God of armies destroyed the Egyptian forces, what led to the battle?
Well i'll remind you, JEHOVAH told Pharaoh "let MY PEOPLE go, so that they can WORSHIP me" {Exodus 5:1} note those two key words!
All the wars JEHOVAH has ever led HIS PEOPLE to win was based on WORSHIP and place where he was protecting from Invaders so that his own worshipers may practice pure worship in peace. So JEHOVAH is not a bloodthirsty God who just feel like seeing people killing people Sir!


You love deceit more than anything!
I've told you "if you're not ready to worship our own God there is no wahala, go and worship the God of your choice"
I was a Muslim and i know what happens when Islam gain the majority anywhere, Muslims will not leave the minority to practice any other form of worship, once they gain upper hand in the affairs of any community it's a faceoff with all other religionists. I told you i was an agent with the intelligence, the last time i spoke with a fellow agent about the condition of things in China she told me so many secrets about what what their government is planning to do so that no religion can overrun others in China, Muslims are intolerant towards other religions that's why China quarantined over 1,000,000 Muslims as people infected with insanity so you have no point Sir!

I am so happy, you are coming around.
Now your point has changed. So according to you. We can only go to war against non Christians. We are allowed to kill those who do not worship the same God.
Also we can fight to protect our worship and our homes.
At least you are begining to shift that's a good one.
Now to what's happening in China. Sorry to say but your agent friend is ignorant.
The Uyghur Muslims habe been one of the most peaceful groups till date. And the abuse by the Chinese government is one of the worst in 100 years.
There organs are being harvested. Entire communities have been converted to concentration camps.
Oga you need to read on your own to understand what is happening to the Uyghurs. Just forget your agent friend.
If you want I would send you some links. They really need our prayers.
Well thanks for your need stand. At least you now agree that some wars are righteous.
I am ok with that. Now you see that in Matthew 26.52...Christ was not talking to Abraham or Moses or Samuel, he was talking just to peter.
Now so you know Abraham went to war to rescue lot.
Samuel killed an unarmed, defenseless king whom Saul had spared.
Moses went to battle to revenge a tribe that refused to give them passage.

MaxInDHouse:
All you need to do is humble yourself and learn otherwise Satan's cobwebs will continue to blur your insight from perceiving grasping what is happening around you.
For instance take a look at two Nigerian Churches Deeperlife and RCCG, both of them claims that Jesus is left right back front and center yet the tenets of Deeper's Jesus totally contradicts that of RCCG. You will not ask Adeboye why he permitted makeups, earrings, hairdos and nail polish for the females in his church neither will you ask Kumuyi why he forbids all these in his own Church, you won't pester them to tell you if it's the same Jesus or Holy Ghost that's teaching them contradicting things like that. But JWs who upholds the command to drop weapons and learn war no more {Matthew 26:52} you want to see where Jesus asked JWs to stop supporting wars!

Well if you must know it's not the same Jesus or Holy Ghost that's interpreting the Bible to these Churches, that's why i said "each religion claiming Christian have her own Jesus, it's the teachings of our own Jesus that we are following strictly"



Persecution comes in different forms, true Christians are still facing persecution globally but that's not the issue now so let's leave that, just know that America made it a crime for any nation to KILL anybody for his/her faith. That's what i'm saying not that persecution of God's people has been totally eradicated!

Funny you... I ask you these questions because I am interested in learning your views. But I love it when you use the scriptures and not your own view.
Jesus Christ told Peter in just one instance, not you or I to keep his sword. That obviously was not a commandment for all.
You very well know many holy prophets took part in war and blood shed. Abraham had to save lots from captivity. So if your interpretation is right Abraham should be burning in he'll along with Moses and many other.
Maybe you guys should review your stand on Matthew 26:52

At other times in the bible, Jesus Christ /Jehovah had led the army of Israel.
He is the prince of peace yet mighty in battle.
I am actually surprised that the biggest doctrine of your church is based entirely on a personal one time message to Peter.
Like I said wars did not begin on earth. The hostiger of heaven are not new to fighting wars hence it is no sin.
But if that verse is what defines your religion, then good for you.

And don't think your organization is facing any persecution. Have you heard of the Uyghur Muslims of China.
If you think it's bad for you just read about the Uyghur and you would be double grateful to be Jw

tesppidd:
Rubbish.

Is there anything mentioned here that wasn't happening in this country for the past 30 years?

It is called corruption perception. Most people don't even know this;
It doesn't necessarily mean that the country has become more corrupt..

Why the corruption index rises is that corruption activities are making the headlines much more than before.
That is due to Moore exposure.

The number of corruption cases with the EFCC and in the courts is unprecedented in the history of this country.
The number of EFCC prosecutions and convictions is also unprecedented in our history.

A lot of people are so ignorant, they didn't know how this corruption index works.

It's people like you that would come in defence of our leadership... using the little education that you have while the people are dying.
You want to give the perception that things are not getting worse in nigeria when we all know the truth.
Why are you against your own people. Why take sides with the dishonest leadership.
I hope you one day realize that your education has become a disservice to your own people