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paxonel:
OK,
Do you have any basic knowledge about the bible, concerning Jesus Christ and his resurrection or anything at all?
For instance,

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

You can give me a brief of what you know about this scripture?, so that i will know where to fit in.

Because,this whole thing I'm trying to explain to you is like a curriculum of some sort

paxonel:
ohh!
Sorry, I thought you have read something atleast, in the bible before

You just want a little understanding of the bible write your book?

paxonel:
No,
Rather, heaven is new covenant

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved?(enter the new covenant) And he said unto them,
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up,...

The resurrection of Christ marks the entrance or gate of Giod's kingdom.
It is what separates the new covenant from the old covenant

paxonel:
the term fall from heaven was spoken metaphorically. It will take you to consider everything that happened during Jesus time on earth to understand that.
That also mean, you will need to sit down and read the whole story.

In the nutshell, the term fall from heaven does not implies anything falling from the sky.
Rather, it literally implies the old covenant falling way, and paving way for the new covenant to be established.

And the gospel of the kingdom which is the new covenant was the centre point of Jesus preaching that was assigned to his disciples at that time

MaxInDHouse:
He was ousted in the year 1914 so we are now in the last of the last days!

paxonel:
satan,in the context of that scripture refers to antagonistic religions(later referred to as the Antichrist) that were against the death and resurrection of Christ.
Remember, he sent his disciples to go and preach and convert people from these religions.
At the point the disciples came back rejoicing because they were converting souls to believe in Christ, that was when Jesus made the statement, i saw Satan falling...
Meaning, other religions were falling.

Examples of such religions were the Pharisees who never believed that Jesus was the Christ.
And the Saducees who never believed in resurrection of the dead.

This also is in line with Daniels vision.
If you have read the book of Daniel about the statue Neduccadnezar fore saw, that a tiny stone(representing Jesus Christ) erupted among the segments(representing other religions). That the tiny stone struck the whole statue, such that they were carried away by the wind, and the stone grow to become a great mountain.
Jesus explains that his kingdom like a mustard seed will grow to become a great tree such that fowls of the air from various places will come and take refuge on it

There is nothing prophetic there and all these have nothing to do with the future, they are events that occurred at the time Jesus was about to be crucified 2000 years ago as stated in the bible

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was talking about the future which is our time when the fulfillment of what God said will be done among Men of goodwill, the job jesus assigned to his disciples will go throughout the entire inhabited earth so what Satan said can't work will done in the gathering of imperfect humans then Satan will be ousted from heaven!

EnemyofGod2:


God is to be blame,God causes all the problem of mankind,God knew from the beginning that Adam and eve are going to eat the fruit,yet he still went ahead and created the tree 🎄 and put it in the middle of the garden, what did he expect ?

God created Satan in heaven and Satan disobeyed him and start a war with him in heaven, instead of God to kill Satan and end every nonsense that will emanate from him,he instead then throw Satan to earth, the bible make us to believe that the angels in heaven were so happy as Satan is no longer there with them,imagine the almighty heaven ooo.

Now do to his inability to kill Satan from the beginning, when the human start to the sin against him he begin to flex muscle 💪 and cowardly sent flood to distroy them .

That's not all.

After distroyed the earth, everything was going well smoothly, humans were living in a very peaceful way, they love themselves to the extent that they decided to build a big house which they will use to live in harmony,but the insecure and illegitimate God decide to distroy them by sending confusion to them and change their language,

as of them, no technology nothing nothing, even now with the sufisticated technology,human can't build house reach heaven, impossible. God knew there's no way human can build house reach heaven yet he went ahead and created problem for them by changing their language's.

I can go on and on but let me stop here.


Before I forget. God, Satan or Jesus Christ doesn't exist, there's no verifiable recognizable concretable approvable evidence of their existence, no man Born of woman has ever proof his existence.

For you to believe that God or Satan existed,It's a symptoms of primitivity of mentality primordial sensibility retrogressive discretion bankruptcy of ideology and cerebral sclerosis and you need to see a doctor with immediate alacrity.

MaxInDHouse:
Nollywood movies and false religions have finished you completely!

When did Paul travel to heaven?

Are you saying the spirit of all creatures go to heaven? Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Because according to God's word all souls are in the grave awaiting a resurrection! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

MaxInDHouse:
Paul will die and on the day of resurrection he will be with Christ not at the moment he died that's why he said:

those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16b-17a

Those who died as born again Christians will rise first and the remaining who are still alive will later join them immediately at death which means such ones will not stay unconscious in their graves for any reason.

If they're not dead they can't go to Heaven:

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Corinthians 15:42-44

So nobody is going to heaven without dying first, the corrupt body must be sown before the bearer can get the glorious one at resurrection!

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie even though you don't know you're lying!
The scriptures said:

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

The question is has the Lord descended?
When did the Lord descended so that the dead (believing in him) rose from the dead to be forever with him in heaven?
The scripture here is saying that all those that lived before John the baptist are not worthy of resurrection not until those who knew Christ rise first.
So when did they go to heaven?

paxonel:
what the scripture says is very true!
And it is also applied in revelation.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Meaning, everyone were judged according to their works, but no one was justified into heaven.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Then after that, the book life which was the second book was brought and there was a roll call from this second book.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This was done after the roll Call.

OUR DESTINY IS IN OUR HANDS

PCHC:
Replying to cancel or correct:



1. To reply your first paragraph:

Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.

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2. To reply your paragraph 2:

I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth.

Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, "See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it:

A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓

B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓

C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓

D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓

E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓

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*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted.

*** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace.

*** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?

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3. To reply your paragraph 3:

***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead.

***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation.

***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam).

***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God.

✓✓✓

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Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.

Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved?

God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written,

[Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe."

Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument.

That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out.

PCHC:
Replying to cancel or correct:



1. To reply your first paragraph:

Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.

---

2. To reply your paragraph 2:

I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth.

Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, "See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it:

A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓

B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓

C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓

D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓

E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓

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*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted.

*** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace.

*** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?

---

3. To reply your paragraph 3:

***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead.

***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation.

***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam).

***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God.

✓✓✓

---

Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.

Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved?

God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written,

[Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe."

Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument.

That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out.

PCHC:
Replying to cancel or correct:



1. To reply your first paragraph:

Making sense is not the goal, but giving understanding and Inspiration are the goals here. Whether it makes sense or does not make sense, let there be understanding and Inspiration of God.

---

2. To reply your paragraph 2:

I am not selling idea or selling truth, but giving understanding and Inspiration in truth. We buy the truth, but we don't sell the truth.

Nothing is false in the entire message written by me under this topic, "See Why God brought Adam into the Garden" Here is the summary of it:

A. Saved By What? " Saved By Grace through Faith ". ✓✓✓

B. Saved To What? " Saved To Work with/for God ". ✓✓✓

C. Saved By Work, "True or False"? False ✓✓✓

D. Saved To Work, "True or False"? True ✓✓✓

E. Is grace effected through faith and by faith? Grace does not need faith to be effected, but faith needs grace to be effective. Grace still works where there is no faith. ✓✓✓

---

*** Grace does not get wasted, but gets "used" or "unused." The lazy ones simply did not use all the grace available to them. He who had five talents and gained more five simply used all the grace he had diligently and faithfully. But the one with one talent did not even use the grace, and left the grace of God unused. But grace of God can never be wasted, unlike money that gets wasted.

*** Both help each other: Grace helps people do the will of God, and the will of God also helps people work with grace.

*** Who told you man cannot obey God as seen in the beginning, but grace helps us obey God? There's nothing in existence that does not obey, whether it has grace or not. When God commands, all things obey the Word of God, grace or no grace. Are you saying those who disobeyed God have excuse that there was no grace for them to obey God?

---

3. To reply your paragraph 3:

***If Adam was never saved, then no man was ever saved. Whatever God did not do in Adam, God never did it in any man that descended from Adam. Adam is the first man in everything pertaining man. The first partaker to taste of all the grace and goodness of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Your own salvation depended on the salvation of Adam first. People die because Adam died, and people shall live again because Adam was raised from the dead.

***Did Adam died despite the fact that salvation was available? Are you assuming the Salvation available was the Tree of Life, which if he had eaten he will never have died? But the tree of life was not made available to him so that he might die and be saved through death. The Death of Adam was the path to his salvation, not the lost of salvation. It's like saying the death of Jesus Christ is the path to our salvation. After Adam sinned in the Garden, the "Tree of Life" and the "Salvation of Adam (Mankind)" became two opposing forces because of the state of Adam. If God allowed Adam eat of the tree of life, Adam would live forever and never die; but that will also mean Adam will never be saved from sin or attain salvation. So God driving Adam away from the tree of life, to make Adam die, was actually God bringing Adam into the path to Salvation. Death is the way both the first Adam and second Adam (Jesus Christ) procured Salvation.

***Adam did not become the plan of God, but the Plan of God became Adam (Second Adam).

***Adam was made in the image of God, and never needed to grow into the image of God, but to grow in the likeness of God. Indeed those born of God cannot sin but they choose, because they have freewill; and so was Adam. Adam was not deceived as Eve was, when he sinned because Adam was in the image of God unlike Eve that was in the image of Adam or female to Adam. Adam's sin was not a doubt to his being born of God or bearing the image of God; rather Adam's sin was a deliberate choice of choosing to listen to his wife more than God. Adam, a son of God, chose Woman above God, just as the sons of God (Angels) chose the daughters of men (wives) above their holiness and estate in heaven. Again, being Born of God removes the excuse that one is weak to refuse sin or cannot do without sinning as fishes cannot do without water. Nevertheless, those born of God are not robots programmed never to sin, because they have their own minds, volition and choices, to have some degree of freedom or independence to express their love for God especially when they have to choose between God and some other things they really love besides God.

✓✓✓

---

Yes, no doubt that Faith simply means hearing and obeying the word of God. But there's error in saying, Adam heard the word of God but disobeyed it so he was not saved.

Moses heard the word of God, and yet disobeyed it by striking the Rock twice: does that mean Moses was not saved?

God saves sinners: Paul was a chief of sinners and yet God kept saving Paul (1 Timothy 1:15). God saving a man does mean the man is righteous or obedient, but means God is merciful and gracious. It's for His mercies we are not consumed, not for our righteousness or obedience. Infact, those God will destroy are those God once saved. There's no man or woman that God destroyed or will destroy that did not have a history of God saving him or her from something or some danger before. Including Sodom and Gomorrah, which God saved before God destroyed. As it is written,

[Jude 1:5] — "Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe."

Stop having issues disagreeing with the realities of God saving Adam. God began saving Adam as soon as God formed Adam from the ground and made him a living soul. He was not just a living soul, but a life saved which is known as Survived or Revived. Even after Adam had sinned and God cursed the ground for his sake, God still saved Adam there by making for him "Coat of skins" to save him from the harsh climate change he was to be exposed to after eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that exposed their unclothedness and vulnerabilities to high degrees. You don't know how much exposed to danger they would have been if God did not make for them those coats of skins. Try sleeping naked in an open ground without any house, building or shelter, but just your body on ground through out the night with cold freezing breeze at night and hot sun during the day, but you completely naked and exposed and alone among wild animals with no human beings anywhere on sight around. If you last seven days without God saving you, then you win this argument.

That was how Adam would have been immediately God made him, but God rather saved Adam by taking him from the ground and exposure being naked and put him into the Garden, where being naked did not mean exposure to any danger. That was act of saving Adam. Then again, when God would return Adam back to the ground where He took Adam naked, God saved Adam by clothing him before sending him out.

PCHC:
[John 8:33] — "They answered unto Him, “We are Abraham’s seed, and to no one ever have we been under bondage. How do You say, ‘You will become free’?”"

As soon as Adam became a living soul, he came alive but on a ground that had no plant or food because God had not caused Rain to fall, and so there was famine. Bringing Adam into the Garden was salvation or deliverance from the ground where he was taken from. It's like taking Israel into Egypt or Goshen to escape the famine during Joseph's era.

Workch:
Don't you think that an option of I don't know if it's true or false exist?
Don't be streamlined with the way you reason.

the topic is about evolution and not abiogenesis. They are two different topics.
Abiogenesis is a strawman that is not even the actual topic. The actual topic is evolution

Workch:
if you understand how supernova works, then you should not be asking me.
Since you understand how it works, can you kindly discuss the problems you have with the idea of supernova it can created a planet. I will love to hear from you.

I know that's where you are going to, because it's the only alternative idea most people, especially Christians who have issue with evolution or abiogenesis try to sell.

Bro, You will observe that I am ignoring a lot of people on this thread because they are just bent on baseless argument. The moment I observe that one is a foolish person who always argue baselessly and never stays in th topic, I will ignore the person. I am here to debate substance and not argue with scientifically illiterate people who will never grasp basic concepts.
It's difficult to win an argument with an intelligent but it's impossible to win an argument against a fooool. You know why? Fooolll don't change their mind, they are just bent on arguing and validating their opinion irrespective. So I don't even bother arguing with one.

The reason why I'm saying this is because you have started showing gross misunderstanding of the actual concept we are discussing and you are assumming that you understand it hence the reason you are asking me many irrelevant questions that do not really relate to the topic: the topic is evolution, you have taken me to abiogenesis and the formation of planet and supernova, I don't have strength for the endless back and forth you are about starting. I don't want to think that you re a foooll because the purpose of argument is to learn and not to drive your own opinon. If you don't know the difference between Evolution and abiogenesis, you can browse reliable sources on Google, we don't have to argue about it.

Since you will never agree with me on this topic, I want to know what you think about thr Adam and Eve story (which is still a topic related to evolution since its the alternative that biblical literalists from Africa see as an alternative) from the Bible, probably maybe you can change my mind.

After this comment, if you don't stay on the topic and discuss it exhaustive by actually researching about it on Google before you make any comment, you will observe that you may not get responses from me anymore.

Workch:
show me where I specifically said abiogenesis is a lie?

You re even finding hard to differentiate abiogenesis from evolution probably because you didn't get proper education

Workch:
the evidence suggest that CO2 was enormous. It's common sense.
Did you pass chemistry in school?
Do you understand how supernova works and formation of planers?
We have seen planet forming using telescopes. Try educating yourself on it

I'm just giving an example. If it's that's not how it Happened. It's still doesn't mean that Adam and Eve story Bible is true.
It's a lie and all evidence points towards that Adam and eve story never happened sir