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Kobojunkie:
1. Satan did not summarize scripture. What he instead did was quote scripture out of context like the churchians do. There is a huge difference between summarizing what is written and quoting verses out of context.

Anyways, I see you aren't really interested in dissecting what is in fact written but in something else so I will leave you to it then.

Satan quoted quite already and his intent was to deceive, but you too are trying to deceive so you and Satan are in the same WhatsApp group my dear friend.

Kobojunkie:
1. Go read the books mentioned first to find out whether what I have told you here is what I think or instead a summary of the facts presented in the books in question. Don't be in a haste.

2. I am afraid this is all you will get from me on this as detest writing meaningless epistles when the words written can more than speak for its own self.

I have studied what you said and I concluded you don’t know what you’re saying. Why do you think I’m certain you and Max and every other person sticking their mouth into this don’t know what you’re saying?

It’s bc I have studied it. So feel free to tell us why you think that place is saying Satan is an angel.

No where in Job realistically says Satan is an angel. Even the Revelations doesn’t say Satan is an angel. It’s you people who have learned from satanists that say Satan is an angel but the bible keeps saying Satan is a “man”.

Mind you, if anyone asks me why I say what I said, I’ll give clear cut analysis of the scripture revealing that Satan is a man.

Albert Einstein says if you can’t explain it well enough, it means you don’t understand it and I agree. Your inability to explain what you’re saying is born of lack of understanding of what you’re saying.

sonmvayina:
How possible is that?

How’s what possible? Recreation of personality? That’s easy. You and I have the power to change our personality. That’s the power God gave Adam.

You can decide to be a good person today and can decide to be a “not good” person tomorrow. You have the power to make yourself to a state contrary to what God created.

God created good but you can become evils if you so desire. God allowed man freedom which is the very nature of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Please back this with the scripture, because the Bible clearly stated that there is no activity in hell (grave) Ecclesiastes 9:10

Wherever they’re, they’re bound and restricted there. The focus is not the place but what’s happening to the angels there. Hell is a description and not a place in this context.

I know you’ve been looking for a way out, you can’t run from this max. Hell is a description for a state of agony and lack of freedom: you think I’m lying, Marry bad woman then you’ll find out.

So now show me where the bible says Satan is an angel. Stop running from discussion. Sebi you see how it was easy for you to quote when you knew what you are talking about, that’s I want you to quote a scripture showing me where the bible says Satan is an angel.

Kobojunkie:
1. I didn't interprete any of what was written in that passage though. I simply summarized it in my own words with the meaning unchanged. Scripture is written in human language and meant for human comprehension through application of basic human language comprehension skills. It requires no interpretating and so should be approached as is written.

● Jesus Christ clearly said that the devil was a murderer from his beginning. How can that mean that Jesus Christ did not say that the devil was a murderer from his beginning?

2. Again, Jesus Christ said the devil was a murderer from his beginning and since it was by Jesus Christ that all was created, how can Jesus Christ not mean that the devil was in fact a murderer from when he was made?

3. What people are doing is not same as creating but instead remoulding that which has already been created. God alone can create and all things that were created were created by Jesus Christ, the Word out of God's mouth.

That’s what a false prophets and a deceiver will do. When devil was tempting Jesus, all he did was summarise the scripture. Had it been Jesus wasn’t grounded in the books, he would have been deceived. So keep summarising but I’m sure you can’t deceive me, you can only deceive yourself.

Kobojunkie:
● in Job 1, you are informed that Satan is able to gain an audience from God meaning that Satan is not a human who has to go through loops to get to the presence of God. In the same book, we learn that Satan takes orders from God as far as what he can or can't do.
● In Zechariah, we learn that Satan can only be rebuked by the authority of God- not even the angels have authority to rebuke Him
● In the Gospels, Jesus Christ rebuked Satan
● in the same Gospels, Jesus Christ revealed to Peter that Satan has requested that he, Peter undergo testing. Jesus Christ the assured Peter that He, Jesus Christ had already prayed for Peter to pass the test..

From the above, we can safely deduce that Satan is not God nor is he a God like Jesus Christ but he is also not a human man. So?

Telling us what you thinking without proper analysis of why you think that ways I rather deceptive my dear friend. If you can’t quote the verse and explain why you think whatever you think then don’t enter this discus pls.

You can’t be too lazy to explain yourselves and expect people to accept the roughly put together conclusion in your head.

When you’re ready for proper and realistic analysis of your opinion, quote me.

MaxInDHouse:
This is really pitiable!

So when God's word says those angels were (bounded in chains of darkness) you've concluded that it's a literal chain, shey?

Well it simply means they can no longer get any direct information from God who is the source of spiritual light just as humans are said to be in spiritual darkness while Jesus' disciples are the light. Matthew 5:14

That's why those fallen angels (demons) are trying to listen to whatever comes out of the mouth of true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) because they know that we are the only source of spiritual light in the world. Matthew 5:14
You may have wondered why all other religionists always talk about whatever JWs believe well it's because the fallen angels you people are worshiping are worried everyday knowing fully well that it's only from us they can know when they will be destroyed! 1Peter 1:12

So the DARKNESS simply means they don't know God's program and time of their judgment anymore {Matthew 8:7, 29; Mark 1:24} and the CHAINS connotes their helpless situation, they have to rely on what true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) says!

Shut up Max, that’s not what the place is talking. You and your JW don’t have a clue what’s in the bible.

Adam was cut from God and God never spoke to him after he left the garden but it was not recorded that he was bound in chains of darkness.

To be bound in darkness is to be bound in darkness Max. It’s to be held bound and freedom restricted. That’s what bound means. The Restriction of freedom.

Maybe you’re reading the Bible with your nose but you’re definitely saying gibberish. The angels were held and restricted in hell. They are not on earth olodo.

Those demons you see roaming around, especially the ones that possess you and your kinds are not angels. If I catch any of them, whether physically or in my dream I go beat madness comot for their brain.

Satan is free and roamed about bc he was not bound, and he was not bound bc he is not an angel. If he is an angel he would have been bound like the rest of the angels who are bound.

It was when Jesus came that a stronger man came and overcame the strong man of this world.

I know you and your religion like to cause fear and panic. i remember when I was lost and I believed your lunatic religion that 2000 was the year for rapture. Today I know the truth. If you like say Satan is an angel or he’s God, na you sabi, I know Satan is a liar and his major lie is that he’s an angel.

I know you are a satanist and your motive is to deceive bc of the spirit that dwells in you. The devious spirit of “man” and the evil nature of “‘man” is present in your heart. You can’t deceive me Max, I know the truth.

I repeat it Satan is not an angel, if you say he’s. Provide just one verse of the scripture that says so. Or did JW not teach you that? I think you people like to quote many verses to confuse people, why can’t you quote the verse in this case? Pls get away if you can’t show biblical proof for your delusion.

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Kobojunkie:


Satan works for God, and since he is not himself God's equal, it only means he is an angel, one who works for God. The book of Job highlights this, so also mentioned in Zechariah, and Jesus Christ also made this known when he handed Peter over to Satan to be tested.

This is a lazy interpretation of the scripture dear friend.

Show how you say these books highlight that Satan is an angel.

So bc I have nose and hand and can think that means I’m white right? Stop sounding this way. Sit yourself down and be realistic. If you don’t have a fact, just watch and study pls.

Kobojunkie:
1. You are still not making any sense to me.

By the way, attacking my person will not change what is clearly written there in human language in that passage I quoted of Jesus Christ explaining the beginning of the devil.

With due respect to you dear friend, I didn’t attack your person. I’m deeply sorry if you feel that way.

What I thought I attacked is your interpretation of Jesus’s statement. What you said is not what Jesus said, you only interpreted it based on your line of thinking which is contrary.

Jesus did not in any way infer that Satan was created that way. But he only said Satan has had the intention to be devious from his beginning.

Everyone create their intention by their will. So I don’t know how you arrived at your conclusion that God created Satan to be evil. Satan recreated his personality in a way different from what God created.

Now that people are adjusting body shape and even height. If a slim person becomes fat by their own creation, would you say that’s how God created that person? Even so, people can recreate their personality.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't understand your question.

It’s a rhetorical question pls. I know you’re not reading from the bible and what you said in their other reply is just gibberish that the world has sold you.

Kobojunkie:
1. Maybe you simply have a wrong idea of what an Angel is then.

No you don’t, you’re just sticking your mouth into things you don’t understand. Angels are angels and the devil is not one of them.

If you think he’s then quote one verse of the scripture to support your claim. Let’s see if that’s what that part truly says.

orisa37:
You are a Demon.

I believe you’re talking to me here. Are you that lazy that you can’t even quote me so that Nairaland will notify me? If you can’t do something this simple, how do you think you have the mind to speak in discussions that require diligent studies?

Pls get away jo. I think you need an evaluation and I have a few psychologists that I can refer you to.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn!

The Bible revealed that some of God's heavenly Sons (angels) sinned {2Peter 2:4} that
means this angels (God's spirit sons) became demons from that time since God never create demons in the beginning.
Now use your brain instead of arguing blindly:

Where did Satan come from since everything God created in the beginning was GOOD?

Max you’re the proud one who refuses to learn in this instance and it’s pitiable that you keep trying to project your ignorance on me.

Do you think I’m like one of those whom your religion can oppress? Learn to behave like a person of Christ and stop behaving like one of the devil’s.

Peter mentioned that some angels left their office, however, Peter completed this information by stating that God has bounded these angels in chains of darkness.

If God has bound those angels, why was the devil roaming about when he appeared before God. Is God not able to bound the devil with those angels? But your ignorant mind says “that means blah blah blah” shut up Max bc it doesn’t mean shit. Go back and read it within context and you’ll see that it doesn’t mean that thing on your mind.

I believe whatever JW did to your mind can be undone if you’re willing to learn. I do not want to say how you sound to me.

Like I keep saying, you blabbing but will never give me just a single verse that realistically says that the devil is an angel. Why do you keep blabbing? Are you sure you’re Ok Max? Is everything alright with you? Why are you saying so many things instead just quote a bible reference from where you established this your false belief from?

And for the record, demons are not angels. But that’s another talk beyond your level of thinking and assimilation. You keep saying so many things like your mind is possessed but nothing you’ve said is true.

This is how your false religion causes fear in the heart of people by lying to them and devils and the chief devil are angels, and making people feel powerless to creatures they’re supposed to oppose that beat whether in the physical or in the dream.

orisa37:
SATAN, CHRIST AND GOD ARE ALL "SPIRITS ".
THEY'RE UNSEEN BEINGS WORKING IN CONCERT.
BUT GOD IS THE SUPREME SPIRIT.

FROM ORUNTO27 ORISAORUNTOSPEAKS.

Another one on the loose again. Where did Seun get all of you people from? Chai, many Nigerians need psych evaluation. Especially the ones on this Nairaland.

Mr whatever you’re, pls get lost!

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Ezekiel 28 vs 4 - 17 is instead a dirge sung by God to the King and Prince of Tyre and Siddon. Try to always pay attention to context when reading from scripture.

But you are right that Satan is an angel, after all, he seems to occupy the role of quality assurance manager as far as the souls of men are concerned. This is particularly evident with the examples from the book of Job, Zechariah, and from the Gospels where Jesus Christ hands Peter over to be tested by Satan.

Get away from here pls. You don’t know the path to the truth. What right that Satan is an angel? What nonsense right is that’s?

How’s that right? Where does the Bible says that. All you people have turned yourselves to your own God and have created your own word of God. See your mouth that you jumped into a discussion and be saying “right”.

Where’s he right?

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid the statement says absolutely nothing of what you claim. Rather it describes God, and not God's creation as perfect and righteous. God is perfect and righteous and this perfect and righteous God created Evil.

2. Again, this conclusion is wrong given that what Jesus Christ instead made clear in that passage you quoted is that the devil has been, from his beginning, of evil.
If the devil has been a murderer from the beginning, it implies his beginning may have indeed been of evil and not of good, as you instead wish to assume.

3. He may have chosen to stand for evil as far as the affairs of men, but it does not mean he was not made for evil from his beginning.

I don’t think this your quote is coming from Jesus’s statement. I think you saying your own thing here.

Jesus says the devil has been a liar from his beginning. A lie is an intent to deceive. So the devil by his own intentions had been deceiving all of humanity. That’s what Jesus was saying. I don’t know where you got your funny idea from.

Are you sure you’re reading the Bible or reading physics? Obviously you’re not reading from the bible. You’re making a something out of your own mind.

Look at Jesus’s statement without all the bias in your mind pls.

Hope88:
you do nt know d bible. just blabbing. ezekiel 28 vs 14 describes satan has an higher ANGEL

I know you don’t know what you’re saying you’re blinded by religious belief so when you see someone that challenges you, you become offended.

I know you didn’t even understand the comment you responded, so it’s not gain saying that you do not understand what the bible says. Bc you missed the word “realistically”.

So why do you think that Ezekiel 28:14 realistically says Satan an higher angel? That’s bc you were already blinded by biases so when you read Ezekiel 28, you just looked for where supported you bias, where the bible mentioned cherub, so you didn’t try to understand the overall proverb. Did you read it from verse 11?

Look at Ezekiel 28 again. And tell me if it “realistically” says Satan is an angel.

Let’s discuss the facts, start from verse 11
1. God “placed” the person he was talking about in the garden of Eden.
2. God anointed the person he was talking about there to “guard” the Eden.
3. The person God was talking about there was perfect when God created him until he sinned and became the emblem of sin.

Are these cues realistically talking to an angel? Do you think God was talking to an angel or a man? If you have an problem with accepting the truth, you can also check Isaiah 14. If you read down you’ll see that it says “man”.

It’s only man that’s ascends to heaven. Angels don’t need to ascend into heaven. Man determined that he’ll ascend to heaven and he did. He ascended above even angels.

Jesus also ascended into heaven as man and he’s seated as man in the seat of power of God.

I pray God helps you see this. I know religion has killed the mind of many people but I pray God helps you.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you don't know where Satan come from yet you want to preach and teach others who will ask you how evil began, shey?

When next you see studious Bible students talking just keep quiet if you don't have anything tangible to say we teach not by quoting word for word but REASONING from what the scriptures say {Isaiah 1:18} that's why Jehovah's Witnesses are zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word while all others aren't organized to work together as a Christian group {Luke 11:23} and as for fruit go round the world and ask of Jehovah's Witnesses we are doing the work globally {Act 1:8} it's not just by quoting word for word but meditating on what was written in God's word! Proverbs 2:1-5

Thanks!

Just shut up Max, just shut your mouth pls. You’re the one who has been quoting the bible like Satan in this conversation. Go look at my replies, I don’t quote bc the word dwells on me.

I speak as someone who has become one with the word but you in every of your replies which are not well thought btw, you quote as many vers of the scripture you can, many of which are taken out of context.

I have asked you a simple question Max, you’ve quoted at least 4verses for this your defensive and childish reply but you couldn’t quote any verse that support your false belief.

If you are sure that the bible says that Satan is an angel, show me just one verse that realistically says so. Why’s this hard for you to do? Why are you doing too much shalaye? So you wrote me this long reply without any verse to support your satanic religious beliefs? I don’t need your aimless talk, I just need you to show that what you’re saying is in the scripture.

I’m still waiting, Sebi you said you Jehovah witness people meditate, an aimless talk btw bc even Ecanker sef dey meditate. But I’m still waiting for you. Find me just one verse in the scripture that supports your lie. Why are you blabbing? Just show it. Let’s not get unnecessarily defensive when we can just provide a verse to show that what we said is the truth.

MaxInDHouse:
There's no need getting annoyed over this just present your rebuttal if you want to challenge God's word do it openly.
God created everything and it was all GOOD, it was in heaven and earth God created intelligent beings, angels in heaven and humans on earth.

So from where did Satan come? Proverbs 2:1-5

You see? This is exactly what had left Christians unfruitful. When people start using logic to teach the word.

You claimed that Satan is an angel by your own religious beliefs and did not care to know what the Bible says. Now I asked you to show me a single verse that supports your religious belief and you can’t say just one.

I’m not here to refute what you’ve said, I know you don’t know what you’re teaching, I just wanted to call your attention to your false narrative so you might go back to look into the book.

The religious beliefs is false Max, and that’s why it’s just religious and not the truth. The ancients Babylonian were satanist and they exalted him and made him a powerful angel but that’s all lies. The Israelites join their delusion bc they never believed what Moses wrote. The satanist belief is prevalent in the world today bc the world is a world ruled by Satan. Unless you’re a satanist, you shouldn’t be telling me that Satan is an angel bc he’s not. If you think he’s, then find me just one verse of the scripture that supports your claim.

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MaxInDHouse:
After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day! Genesis 1:31

God created EVERYTHING and all was GOOD!


Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them! Job 1:6

God's sons (angels) took their positions before him and Satan decided to take his own position too in the midst of God's spirit sons! Job 38:7

You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie! John 8:44

After God created Satan he chose to alienate himself from God and he began recruiting others to join him, sadly Adam and Eve were Satan's first recruits.


So where could this evil genius have come if he is not one of God's creation that was GOOD in the beginning! Genesis 1:31

I think you don’t know what you’re teaching. I just ask you to show me biblical proof that Satan is an angel but you chose to blab.

I’m waiting for you pls. If Satan joins the sons of God, does that mean Satan is an angel.

See this example: when all the black kids gathered, a white kid joined them. Does that in anyway say the white kid is a black?

Stop peddling false narrative pls. I’m a Christian but I don’t like when people like you propel false narrative and cause unbelievers to question the authenticity of the word.

Kindly take time to learn pls. If you find the fact I asked for, kindly reach out.

Jokanem:
Did God Create the Devil?

The Bible shows that God did not create the Devil.

Instead, He created the person who became the Devil.

Regarding God, the Bible says: “Perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:3-5)

From that statement, we can conclude that Satan the Devil was at one time perfect and righteous, namely, one of God’s angelic sons.

At John 8:44, Jesus said that the Devil “did not stand fast in the truth,” implying that Satan had at one time been truthful and guiltless.

However, like the rest of Jehovah’s intelligent creatures, the angel who became Satan had the freedom to choose between right and wrong.

By choosing a course in opposition to God and inciting the first human couple to join him, he made himself Satan, which means “Resister.”—Genesis 3:1-5; Revelation 12:9.

How do you know it’s an angel that became devil? Is there a single biblical proof that’s realistically establishes that?

budaatum:
I was tempted to subscribe, but felt I better stick to here instead of cluttering your channel.


I don't write books, David. What I do is discourse with people real time here. That way, I can be challenged in real time here.


Did you used to play who can piss the highest on a wall? I never did. Rather than compete, I reason.


David, there is a crowd here, and if they were to be the judge, you'd win the popularity contest. I'm not competing with you for popularity. Reason here where everyone can see.


No, I shall not. Though it's under consideration. You have not in any way shown me here that anything you've written is worth my consideration, so I'm unlikely to find anything of interest on your channel.

Consider. Those who wrote Genesis 3 are using a story of emancipation to enslave. God, we read, created "mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground", then some people want to make you a naked ignorant unnourished by the fruits of knowledge gardener in some tiny garden.

Would Christ tell you to not nourish yourself with knowledge?

How the heck do you intend to "rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground" if you are not nourished with fruits of knowledge?

Is it not to lands of people that eat fruits of knowledge that many Nigerians want to japa to to enjoy those fruits too?

Yet, you would claim the Adam who ate the fruits of knowledge and went on to populate the entire earth with humans, died when he ate the fruit because that is what you have been taught to believe!

I dare you David, to open your eyes and read.

I guess it’s scary to enter the big stage because it’ll definitely show whether you have what you say you have. The local man prefers to stay in his comfort zone where he’s like a god. No problem anyways. Enjoy your life.

Study what they call echo chamber and see how damaging it can be.

Maynman:
This is a proper channel that doesn’t get his “truth” from a single source.
If you do a breathtaking extensive research even people will donate to it.
Not just rambling what you read in a book that you “believe”.
Don’t worry your fellow “believers” will be the one watching your videos.


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Well I don’t need donations, at least not for now. I’m a man who has decided to walk the path of Christ and suffering the flesh and its desire gives me joy. Just subscribe and I’m fine.

If I need money for anything, I’m sure it’ll surface by the power of God. Kindly subscribe, that’s all I need.

budaatum:
David, in case you are not aware, no one is "supposed" here. We all say whatever we want and those who dislike it can ignore us while some consider what's said.

It's after all not church where you get to stand on a pulpit preaching to sheep who dare not question you.

What you need is mindless Adams. What you've found is use our brain Eves. Or don't you just like us using our minds to challenge you like Christ taught us to do?

https://www.nairaland.com/7348804/those-read-only-one-book#117279798

Now that you know my name, I know that you’ve checked my channel so I appreciate that, and do not take if for granted. Thank you. I encourage you to subscribe.

Also, I’ll be open to reading a material that you write. I mean a book and not some loosely put forward article. Take your time, create a material that can be read even internationally, I’ll read it and see if you have as much substance as you claim to have within you.

If you want, I can do the same, let’s see if following God has benefited me and whether not following God has also benefited you. Do you think you can do that?

Let’s all grow beyond Nairaland. If you have substance and you know what you’re saying, Put yourself on the scene. Face the crowd and speak boldly. Any kid can hide behind their keypad to rain insults on people and claim to have insights, but coming out to needs bravery and intellect.

Still kindly subscribe on my channel pls. I need it to grow the channel.


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budaatum:
Can you imagine, lol. Yet that is what we read God told Adam to do, and what most believers are telling us all to do here, "just believe what we told you what you read means", instead of use your brain.

That's why they can redefine "you will surely die" to mean, 800 years later, I guess, without realising they are "thinking awkwardly and they’re not honest with themselves to accept that their thinking need broadening".

Budda get away jo. When people are talking, you’re not supposed be joining. Shebi you’ve eaten of tree of knowledge of good and evil. Why then are you talking with those who haven’t?

Pls whenever I’m discussing with intelligent people, don’t do pim bc you cannot think and your pride is on Nairaland. You can’t handle an intelligent conversation, you and your terrorist cohorts on here who have turned yourself to mini Nairaland gods.

Pls get away I don’t need sophism here, I need people who can think maturely and come up with rational opinion that we can establish.

sonmvayina:
My dear...God created everything..

Both the choices man makes and the ones he did not....

Both good and evil.

Light and darkness..

You just still don't understand anything..

Just believe what I just said above..

It will free you from ignorance..

“Just believe what I said” do you have a voodoo power or something? So you think you can make me believe your faulty, lopsided and not well thought argument? This is witchcraft dear friend, wanting people to just believe nonsense is witchcraft.

You know that your argument is unreasonable but you can’t accept this so you want me to just believe. Do you have that freedom from just believing your illogical argument?

Many people on this Nairaland need psych evaluation. I have watched as many people think awkwardly and they’re not honest with themselves to accept that their thinking need broadening.

This is sad!

sonmvayina:
You are still not getting it..

God created everything..both good and evil.

Everything is for a purpose...

Understand that and you will grasp everything..

You’re the one not getting it dear friend. God created everything good, evil is of man’s making.

Did you see anywhere in the Genesis where the bible said God created evil? Evil occurs when men do things outside the good things God has created. I really don’t know the reason behind your philosophy but I know it’s not progressive.

I asked you if I give you 1million and tell you how to spend it to multiply it so you can grow into multimillionaire, and I also warned you not to squander the money so you don’t become poor and die. Does that mean that I presented you with opportunity to die? Why can’t you answer this simple question, is it bc it sinks your logic?

Your premises are not well thought dear friend and it’s becoming somewhat circular. You keep claiming I do not understand but what’s there to understand in a circular argument?

Try to answer the question I posted about me giving you a million, if you do then compare that to the situation in question. Thank you. I’ll be waiting for a different line of thought from you.

sonmvayina:
1.The long and short answer is yes...

2. Like I explained, God created everything in two's....it is left for us to choose..

3.Adam is not wrong, the choose he made is one of the choices created by God...To eat it or not eat it..He choose to eat it and man lost the chance of eternal life on earth..

4. Adams nature was created by God...except you are telling me God made a mistake. Then we can start that conversation..

The nature God created is good and can grow into perfection. What Adam chose to become is his own creation.

If someone gives you a million naira and tell you how to invest it to multiply it and warns you not to spend it aimlessly so you don’t ended up poor and die.

Did the person provide you with the option to become poor and die? Would that be a reasonable line of thought? Can you say that to any reasonable human being?

Maynman:
Did the father child know that the child will burn his hand YET still put him in front of fire?
Did God know that adam would disobey YET still put him in that situation?
What a sadistic omniscience god you serve.

Each time I see your text, I see so much hate, I see pain. All I can only do is pray for you to get healed. You can’t be of good service to yourself and humankind with all this hurt. Why not let go and see a broader view of life. I know it’s difficult to let go, I know it’s difficult to lose the pride you’ve gained for calling yourself an atheist or whatever, I know you think you’re cool and probably better than others but believe me, anyone, even a well trained psychologist will see so much hurt just by reading your text.

Let me walk you through another reality of life dear friend. I hate to see young men suffering and hurting. Bc it does show. It shows in your address of other people, it shows in the way you text and articulate your comment. I’m really sorry you’re hurting. I wish I can help you but I know God will visit you someone.