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jesusjnr2020:
Who Appointed Satan The Ruler Of This World?

This is in continuation of a thread I made last week, where I said not all leaders were appointed by God and proved it with scriptures, especially the teaching of Christ. Yet there were some here, including Christians, who strongly disagreed with that position and were arguing because they believed all leaders were appointed by God.

Hence this is to illustrate how erroneous that idea of theirs is, because if they indeed believe God appointed every leader, that means they also believe that Satan was appointed by God as leader of this world, because they can't possibly believe that all leaders were appointed by God but at the same time not believe that God was the One that also appointed Satan to rule the world He made in the beginning.

Then imagine teaching believers to consequently subject themselves to Satan's authority, because all leaders were appointed by God... wouldn't that sound as heretic and antichrist as they could possibly come?

That's how glaringly false and ridiculous the idea that all leaders were appointed by God is, because the God who created the earth and everything in it had never on any occasion appointed Satan to rule over everything He made in the beginning.

It was never God's plan A or plan B up to plan Z for Satan to become the ruler of this world.

The only person God intended to have dominion and to rule over this world was the man He made in His own image.

That was the plan of God before He made man.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)

[And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

That was actually the concept of God making man, to rule over His creation, so after God had made man (male and female), He officially appointed man the leader of the Earth and hence gave them charge, authority and dominion over everything He made in the beginning, to actualise His plan for making man.

Genesis 1:28 (KJV)

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Therefore it was man that God appointed the ruler of the world He'd made and gave authority over it, never the devil.

God bless.

Do you understand that the premise of your argument centres on the assumption that satan is not a man? And if satan is a man then your argument is as erroneous as the one you’re trying to counter.

I just needed you to put that into perspective bc just as you’re trying to claim to be right than others, certain people are looking at you like an ignorant person who says what he has not understanding of.

Overall, I do not have interest in this conversation so there’s no need to reply me pls, I just needed you to see your own bias so you can see that you’re only right in your own eyes but not right in reality. So take be patient with others to grow to you’re level of understanding bc there are many who know you’re making an unlearned argument who do not also call you out for it. Let’s all grow in Christ to a place of perfect understanding.

budaatum:
Show us one single religion with the Bible at it's core that the same can't be said about, and I bet I can point you to it's opposite.

True Christianity

I’m a devote Christian but I think this is dangerously hilarious

Malonny:
Lucifer is not who we think he is. We need to read the Bible carefully, forget the way church preaches. Yahweh and Lucifer. Enlil and Enki

Who is Lucifer? Why are you talking about a person you know nothing about? Do you think that’s reasonable?

jaephoenix:
Is being left handed natural? Or being able to roll the tongue?

I did what you didn’t want to do

jaephoenix:
Again, no one accepts violence. You get sent to prison for that. Everyone is capable of an amount of violence even the most docile person, but it doesn't make it acceptable. What's the relation with homosexuality?

The relation with homosexuality is that we can see that violence is as natural as homosexuality. If people get sent to prison bc of violence then they should be sent to prison for homosexuality too. The fact that you think it’s natural doesn’t make it permissible bc violence is as natural yet not permissible

jaephoenix:
Its psychological theories. Everyone has an element of violence, and have a trigger threshold. But by and large, no one accepts violence

Not accepting violence doesn’t mean you don’t express what’s inborn. People don’t like when they are at the receiving end of violence, but if they’re the one dishing it out, they love it.

jaephoenix:
1. I dont know the human psyche, only the body? Pray sir, are you a psychiatrist, psychologist or neuroscientist? Youre saying a physician doesn't understand psychiatry? Wtf? Are you for real?
2. This is the definition of violence
The intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation
And there is no mention of verbal aspect of it. I don't understand what you mean by thief and doctor expressing their violence differently. Please shed more light.
3. What is rational about stealing or kleptomania? Are they accepted by society? No.
4. You insinuated I'm gay with this…
So if you think none of these vices should be accepted, why should homosexuality be accepted over violence. [b]You need to study beyond your biases and desires to sleep with men. [/b]Violence is as natural as homosexuality, if you’ll fight for one to be accepted, then fight for the other too otherwise stop this nonsense pls.

… and I dont like it

Well if you say you know psychology, then you should know that certain perspective of psychology think violence is inborn and can be harnessed for social purposes.

And for insinuating that you’re gay , I’m sorry if you do not like it.

kkins25:
Reading your write again, You're drowning yourself in a diarrhea of words. what does it mean to obey the laws of christ? Law of christ are majorly Two.
love God,
Love thy neighbor.

"love thy neighbor" is an action statement. Not that you sit down and feel emotions.
If you love thy neighbor and see him on the ground wounded, and do not help, isn't that against the law-"love thy neighbor" ? The failure to practise the second negates the first. but not vice versa. because, the second fulfills the first.

This is great

Napata77:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZoyUrGMS4&ab_channel=TECH-TheEverydayChristian

Yes it worked on other platform for me but when I tried to change the this, it didn’t

TenQ:
We can describe Allah from the Islamic literatures of the Muslims. He's a shape shifting personality. Except if all these Sahih hadiths are LIES!

What do you think?

A shape shifting personality is a liar’s personality. Having a consistent personality is important especially if you want to be God.

If your personality is not consistent, no one will trust you and that’s even if you’re not regarded as lunatic.

Anything you can’t describe is a lie

tctrills:
Good and evil have always been from eternity to eternity.
They were not created and can't be destroyed.
When God created man, he hid the knowledge of Good and evil in a fruit 🍑.
By eating the fruit, man chose to have this knowledge.
Without the knowledge of Good and evil, man cannot become like God.
It was the first step in becoming like our Father in heaven.

This is lazy, unthinking and untrue. Might have been created out of boredom and seeking unnecessary and unhealthy attention.

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jaephoenix:
Discuss a myth? Lol. You take yourself too serious. I already have my answers, and you don't even understand English, talk less of engaging me

Ogbeni, go and sit down jo. There’s no atheist alive or dead who can stand an unbiased discussion with me. If you think otherwise then fine.

People with high level of suggestibility always make the loudest noise, just as empty barrels do. Just keep growing and learning, and better yourself bc I know if I quiz you on that English language too, you’ll not be able to say any meaning thing.

Do you think you’re the only atheist I have encountered? I have held a discussion with almost a thousand of your kinds at once and they couldn’t breath let alone a cheap atheist with mere qualification for such discussion.

Keep learning and growing, when I think you’re ready for intelligent discussion, I’ll discuss with you. So far you’ve not shown any sign of such level of intelligence as is needed for such level of communication. What will you even say sef?

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budaatum:
It kind of negates whether you think a person is an animal or not, don't you think? After all, it's you who thought it, and not the person.

I know you cannot think Buddha. You’re probably bored and seeking someone to argue with. I’m not interested in such directionless discussion.

jaephoenix:
1. Hold up!
The fact that God already knew he’ll sin doesn’t mean God expected it
What does this sentence mean? You mean Yahweh knew all how all the scenarios with Adam would play out but didn't expect him to sin?
That's just like me knowing my wife would stab me but I'm surprised she actually did stab me
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God did all he could to avoid Adam’s sin
Really? An immortal all powerful god got thwarted by a mere mortal he created? Lol.
By the way, yahweh aided Adam to fail the test. Planted a juicy tree right in the middle of the garden(where Adam could easily see it and admire it), gave him a beautiful sidekick who would easily succumb and whats more, created Satan and allowed him to tempt Adam via Eve. Looks like a open and shut case. Poor Adam was set up
See Techobey, leave cerebral discourses. You simply lack the mental adeptness to engage in them. Stick to crappy Youtube vlogging

I know you wish I’d discuss these things with you but I won’t. It’ll burn your heart that I won’t discuss Bible with you.

jaephoenix:
Humans can move on their own and are placed in the animal kingdom. Further, humans belong to the animal phylum known as chordates because we have a backbone.
Did you do biology at all bro? Or your own biology was the one your pastor taught you?

How does this relate to the topic on ground? Does it negate whether a person thinks they’re animals or they’re not?

tctrills:
Well I respect your opinions but I rather believe the word of God.

This is great. However, you must understand that the will of God is for all men to know the truth. Believing entails knowing the truth. If one sees a biblical fact and rejects it bc of their own self will, it shows that the person is struggling in disbelief.

So it’s fine if you refuse to accept what I say then claim what’s not there. It’s ok. You have your life to live, however you choose to live that life.

tctrills:
Now if you know something would happen then clearly you expect it to happen. It's not possible to know something and expect another. It's possible to know something and want another outcome but not possible to know and expect another outcome.

Again, I was hoping you would show me scriptural evidence that God did everything to prevent Adam from eating the fruit. Now let's use the scriptures.
Could you highlight some of the things God did to prevent Adam from eating the fruit? I would love to hear your views.
1. Who planted the tree?
2. What was the purpose of the tree?
3. If you know something is bad for your child, would you plant such a thing in your farm?
God clearly wanted the best for man and the Coming of Christ is the best.

Lastly, I don't understand the connection you are trying to make with Psalm 24:1-2.

This is why I try not to give reasonable comment on Nairaland. Did you means I wrote all that only for it to go to waste?

You mentioned that the Bible says that we have been chosen before the began and I did a short teaching explaining to you that “the world” in that context didn’t mean the universe but the activities in the universe. But here you are removing your statement and making it look like I spoke out of context.

Answers to your question:

1. God planted the tree
2. I wouldn’t tell you the purpose of the tree bc you will not accept, seeing that you’ve refused to accept that “the world” is not the universe which is something that you can easily check to see if I was right.
3. Everything God created is good if used within its purpose. Man sinned only bc he consumed what God planted for his own satisfaction.

Lastly saying that God wanted a better man to come do the jobs sound rather cheeky. It appears as though God set Adam to fail and then turn around to be complaining that Adam failed. Think about it, don’t you think it’s rather awkward?

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jaephoenix:
Assuming he's 9 years. There's children with higher IQ than grown ass adults. A child recently got inducted into the Mensa Society. Just maybe you're wondering(because I doubt you know what it is) , Mensa is an organization for high IQ Individuals. A 4 yr old kid, barely a toddler made his way there. I doubt you'll be able to go toe to toe with this boy, analyzing your youtube video content and your posts here.
So in a nutshell, stop denigrating children. You can't measure up to some of them
Source
https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-globally/four-year-old-boy-becomes-britains-youngest-member-to-join-mensa-8400784/lite/

Will you be able to go toe to toe with that boy?

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budaatum:
It is indeed your choice whether you discuss with buda or not. As for buda, buda chooses to comment on your threads and posts whether you discuss with buda or not. For it it not for you that one comments, but for the benefit of all those who choose to read one's comments.

Please consider empowering yourself instead of trying to control what others do.

Stop referring to yourself in the third. In psychology, it says a lot about you which I wouldn’t want to say. Kindly check pls

Horus:
To have the video in normal forma, simply replace the word "shorts" with the word "watch" in the url

Hi, I tried it, it still didn’t show that way

tctrills:
A few things here:
It's actually controversial to say God knew Adam would sin but did not expect him to sin as stated in your 3rd paragraph.

Next you say God did all he could to prevent Adam from eating the fruit. For this, I would say we don't know. It is not indicated that God did anything to prevent Adam from eating the fruit so you can throw more light.

Lastly, the bible states that Christ was a Lamb slain before the foundations of the earth. Can you please tell me how you understand the statement?

Please could you also add you understanding of the verse below.
Ephesians 1:4-5

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Hi dear, I must say this is one of the most respectful replies I have ever received on Nairaland so I really praise God for your behavior

Nothing is controversial of my statement, I think you might view that bc of your beliefs. If one knows will do a thing bc of the way that person behaves, that doesn’t mean one expects that person to do that way. This is why we get hurt by people even though we might have been seeing signals of that behavior.

If your girlfriend or wise, starts giving signals of wanting out, of course if you critically analyze their behavior, you’ll know what they’ll do. But that doesn’t mean your expect or want them to throw away the relationship you have. So there’s nothing controversial about that.

Also, I think it’s well plastered that God did all he could to prevent man from sinning. You saying “we don’t know” is just you trying to deny that. It’s how scientists who always claim to know everything say “we don’t know” when they don’t want to admit certain facts.

Lastly, according as he has chosen us before the world began. That’s something I was going to write about or talk on on my YouTube channel. So kindly subscribe to my channel to stay up to date.

The phrase “the world” has two meanings. In the Greek, it’s kosmos and kosmon. Kosmos means the universe, or the heaven and the earth as religiously put. But kosmon means the activity on earth (eons).

The world in that context is not cosmos its cosmon so it’s not saying that we have been choseb before the heaven and earth were created, it was saying we have been chosen before activity began on earth.

This is a very long topic I’ll like to take time to dissect bc it reveals a lot but I’ll cut it short bc of the length of my reply. I can’t let my reply be long than the article. Iyen o da na.

So kindly check it and confirm. Also read Psalm 24:1-2. Do you think the psalmist was saying that the universe was founded on sea? Are sea not a part of the universe? The world is in the heaven and earth, and the world which the psalmist was talking about is not the universe itself, it’s the activity on earth. It was established on the water in the beginning bc God said let the water bring forth ground, that began activity you see on earth today.

Here’s a link to my YouTube page. Kindly subscribe to it bc I’ll be teaching these things and more for proper understanding of the scripture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8-E6o7N6Xs