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The last time I took ABC luxury bus was in early 2011. The bus departure was supposed to be 3pm but we left Abuja at 6pm only to stop at Gwagwalada for about an hour and another one hour at Lokoja.
The AC was making a noise like a diesel engine. The bus was moving at about 80kmph and had difficulty climbing hills.
The driver almost stopped at a robber ambush but for the well alerted and agitated passengers who shouted on him to fire on
My trip with a good luxurious bus wouldn't have been more than 8 hours from Abuja to Ibadan. Got to ibadan around 8am instead of 11pm.
I believe their fleet of buses are not being well managed. I was really disappointed & informed my friends never to enter ABC.
It was after this I got to know of many more sad stories about the company. Unknown to us that our bus was not filled up because people were avoiding ABC. Let the management fix the company

bobbyhenry:



Oh okay...thanks but one more question b4 I proceed.
What if I transfer at least 700k from her account to my own personal account and submit my own SOC without her own? I'll do it this way...1st week, I'll transfer 350k and 2nd week, another 350k....hope this will help?

@ bobbyhenry
This is a public forum pls be mindful of your comment. Many people in and out of the country monitor lots of things on Nairaland

[quote author=youngbilly1]wait hold on, are you ok sha, shey i ask you question ni, abi i ask make you dey insult me, shey because say they don scam me 60k or i can't get my passport nah the end of the world, come watch it when you post on here. I never asked you...i asked the poster! Whats with the "Gullible pple like you will
never learn until visa agent" his the same person who did my friends visa and got him a ghanaian residence permit and his leaving january for southy...i came on here to ask for advise not. Abi your father dey crazy ni.. See me see wahala ooo[/quote


@Youngbilly
No visitor to this thread should have dealing with agents.
concerning SA visa. some of these agents are even semi illiterate who are only interested in their our commission , not bothered about the implications of their actions.
I advise you to go through this thread from page one and learn to do the right thing.
Many have testified of the usefulness this thread, Collins and others are always ready to give advice.
I advise you modify your comment.

[quote author=hardbody]In this era of mishaps, why people still dey fly from short distances such as Ilorin to Lagos. I am not so certain, but i am almost sure i can do that distance in 3 hours at regular driving. ANyways, i thank God for their lives. [/quote

Ilorin to Lagos is a 5 hours journey but considering the hassles of the road it will take 7 to 8 hours.
At times it may take 2 hours for the car/bus to get filled up at the park, hold up at the lagos -ibadan expressway, traffic problem inside ibadan especially iwo road. The road through osun and some part of oyo is bad.
This route is infested with robbers. I will rather risk going via air but there are very limited choices of airlines.
Ilorin is not a good place to be stranded because of the limited choices. Most times I have to land in lagos and use over 5 hours to get to ilorin or take the very bad road from Abuja.

Thanks be to God, got my study permit today at SAHA,Abuja.
I appreciate u guys, @ collinsfbi et al.
Got most of my information from this thread and friends in SA.
3 Gboosa for SA thread .
@dpeereal, thanks for replying last night. Your reply made me take a flight today and fortunately got my permit. I submitted on Nov. 13, issued on Dec. 14 , collected on Dec. 20.

Many applicants who submitted since October/Nov were really agitated when they couldn't get their passports back since the embassy is closing for holiday fro 21 Dec to 2 Jan. The applicants were not given any concrete reasons for the delay.
My observation was that most of them were given admission to schools that were not highly rated and do not have SAQA evaluation cert. This may be the reason for the delay( my thought)

My guys don't give up. Get right information, submit correct documents and prayer hard.

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dpee4real: I obtained my visa 2day. Exactly 3wks. 4m my experience,abj is less demanding than lag.generally,if u meet d requirements 4 sa visa,i bliv u'l surely get it. Cheers

Congrats. Does the SA high commission Abuja return passports on Tuesdays. I thought the submission is on Monday to Wednesday while collection is on Thursday to Friday? Take care.

I understand this has been a practise for the past 6 decades of RCCG to bless the Lord for kids delivered during the annual congress and most RCCG families cherished delivering during this period at the camp. It is for the spiritual cover that most deliver there.
The camp has a good health facility and kids are delivered every day on regular basis it is not just during congress.
Why celebrate it? People never appreciate that the most risky health issue which is a necessity that can result in good or bad is pregnancy. Those who have lost their loved ones during pregnancy or child birth will appreciate why u need to thank God and celebrate Him if u believe in Him and His little mercies.
Don't let us keep critisizing everything around the Nigerian churches. You need to understand where this started from and the background. Our standard should not be the West. I don't celebrate things but as a practitioner I celebrate child birth especially in Nigeria which has one of the worst maternal and child health statistics.
I may not be 100% correct. I comment as an outsider, not RCCG member but a friend of the mission.

Wale Oke chides politicians…says stop playing politics with the “blood of Christians”
On December 13, 2012 · In News
9:00 am

BY SAM EYOBOKA, BOSE ADELAJA, OLAYINKA LATONA & PROVIDENCE OBUH

NATIONAL vice president of Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria, PFN, in charge of South West, Bishop Francis Wale Oke Wednesday, commended the Nigerian press for its vibrancy in reporting and exposing the various ills in the society.

The PFN leader also charged President Goodluck Jonathan to be more courageous to take a decisive decision on the security challenges destroying the nation, appealing to political leaders of the North to exercise constraint and stop playing politics with the blood of Christians.

“ They should allow peace to reign so that they can have a one Nigeria to rule over in the future, maintaining that no Nigerian should be exposed to untimely death.

“And we want to speak to the political leaders in the North, that this violence is destroying the economy of the North. People that are sustaining the economy of the North are fleeing the area, because their lives are no longer safe. What they (the leaders) think they are gaining on the short term is bitter nothing, on the long run, is a major loss,” he said.

He, therefore, appealed to the northern leaders to have a rethink, noting “if we let Nigeria be, then there can be a Nigeria we can go back in the future, but if we bring Nigeria down, then there will be no Nigeria to go back to in the future.”

Bishop Wale Oke at the Vanguard Media annual Christian fellowship


Bishop Oke, however, lamented that the violence in the North did not add to the value of the nation, but destroying the economy and has succeeded in discouraging many investors from coming to the country.



“A lot of our brethren in the North are returning home. I was in Ogbomosho recently where I met a man who escaped being killed in the North, for no other crime, but for being a southerner and a Christian. The man escaped but lost five daughters who were killed while the parents watched. Every body from the South, is being labelled Jonathan’s children. It is politics mixed with bitterness and religion—can you imagine that”.

Please let’s not keep quiet, and it looks to me like the northern leaders are playing politics with the blood of Christians. They cannot claim they don’t know who and who are behind Boko Haram”.

They cannot claim they don’t know who are their sponsors. They cannot claim they don’t know the ring leaders and you see what ever their leaders say they listen and take.

How long is four years, Jonathan will soon leave, even if Jonathan wins 2015, eight years very short years, but Nigeria will be there for all of us.

“I rejoiced when Jonathan won because I saw a new era for Nigeria when you don’t have to belong to a majority tribe before you become anything in this nation; no matter where you come from, whether Itsekiri, Urhobo, Isoko, Tiv, Ijaw. That is the Nigeria we want— Nigeria that gives equal opportunity to everybody no matter your race or where you come from.


Let’s join efforts together and shame Boko Haram.

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christemmbassey: PASTOR? PASTOR?? PASTOR Is pastor ur alias or u are called of God? Ur posts is making mokery of ur tittle, remember withnesses are abound here o especially the acuser. Pls be civil. Be blessed.

@ kunle or Kun
Ignorance is not an excuse. It is better to be quiet than opening ones mouth and be committing sins.
winners chapel never teach the members not to seek medical attention. For your information the church has Gilead medical centres in some of the major cities. There is also medical units in the churches. Mrs. Oyedepo illness was well documented in her book ”Escape from Destruction”. The church never contributed for her treatment.

Many at times member bills are taken care of by the church. Most issue of welfare are taken care by the home cell group without even the input of the pastor.
Life is in phases and men are in sizes, I could not feed myself when Covenant University started but now I can afford to send many there today. If it is easy to gather people and tell them to give offering for ordinary coaster bus, just go ahead and try it even with rituals and fraud. If you are in that church for 3 months and you are still the same then u better leave.
many have been there for years with no change while a new comer have testimony of new birth and turn around. I have seen members who turned out to be fraudsters but it never changed the fact that God is good. Am a big testimony so also my wife and family, so nobody sit down and tell me nonsense. If I need to move out ,Holy Spirit will be the one to lead just as he brought me.
The bible says do not let your right hand know what your left hand is doing, when you go to the air to announce what you are giving as charity then u hav receive your reward which is the praises of people. do u know how many students who are on bursary & scholarships. Go to the winners campus fellowships around u to confirm.
You are not the registrar i/c righteousness, so how do u know those who are on the way to heaven. Who appointed you the all knowing judges how do u know how much is been stolen. Is it because many of your former sect members have moved to the other side and now have an empty hall ?
Get your information right. BEWARE OF THE CURSES OF THE LORD. It looks like a joke but it is a reality. Having liberty to post any nonsense on NL should not be taken for granted.
Do you know some did this same thing 30years ago when the church was less than 100 and it was never stopped her growth. Do u think thousands of people going there are fools.

[quote author=rusher14]Question: is it right for a professed MOG to seek medical attention for himself or spouse while presenting faith healing to his congregation? [/quote

winners chapel never teach the members not to seek medical attention. For your information the church has Gilead medical centres in some of the major cities. There is also medical units in the churches. Mrs. Oyedepo illness was well documented in her book ”Escape from Destruction”. The church never contributed for her treatment.

Many at times member bills are taken care of by the church. Most issue of welfare are taken care by the home cell group without even the input of the pastor.

Get your information right.

stagger: it is u who has a demi god. I pay people like you salary every month. Come to my office in Abuja let me give you chop money for xmas. Hungry man!

Mr Stagger, your statements are not of a genuine winner. You are tarnishing the image of the ministry you are trying to defend with the use of unfriendly and vulgar words.
Your statements shows a proud person yet to be broken. If u are indeed a winner, u represent badly.
Are u really following Shiloh? If u have been following what of the warning to stay focused. Did you listen to Mrs. Oyedepo message yesterday. Where are the fruits of the spirit. Please answer with maturity or just ignore the comments. Oyedepo is the most abused pastor around here but u never see him replying anybody. A word is enough for a wise.

Logicboy03: lol...I have shiloh employees that go every year. Same life no, result. Some have stopped

Hannah has been going to Shiloh for years without achieving her aim until God visited her after many years. .
Another issue is the heart of your employees. Are they right with God. Many came to shiloh to steal, chase women/ men, cause havocs and to do fraud. It doesn't have to be shiloh,God is a covenant keeper if u do your part He will fulfil His own.
Many xtians do compromise, can't invite their colleagues in office for programmes because their lifestyles are worse than that of the devils. There won't be any change in their lives. Some are thought God is a magician.

stagger: Then why are you on this thread if you are not going to Shiloh? People go there for SPIRITUAL REFRESHING, not for money. If I want money, I have businesses that give me that. Anthropoids like you think we go there simply to collect money as if God is a slot machine. For someone like me, I need other things and not money because money has ceased to be my problem.

If your eye dey pain you say people dey go Shiloh, you can look for the nearest high tension cable and kill yourself, because Shiloh will not stop, it will not end, and people will keep getting blessed.

AND THERE IS NOTHING YOUR MONKEY BRAIN CAN DO ABOUT THAT!

Brother you don really vex. If u have to reply all these NL comments you will lose focus. I like you opening statement, many thought attending Shiloh is to go and look for an ATM god.
Pls take it easy, stay focused and forget about them
Only a FOOL doubts a PROOF.

adultebony: To all the Winners in the house, it is futile trying to convince folks here about what Shiloh is all about. Don't bother.

By the way, Shiloh is neither an event nor a place. Shiloh is Jesus Christ in prophecy. Read Gen.49:10.

To all saying unprintable things about Shiloh, I believe the mercies of God abound for you while there is still breath in your nostrils so enjoy it, maximise it.

Preach it. I was one of those who critized many ministries those days. Some of my school mates travelled all the way fro Zaria to Lag for the first Shiloh and I was like is God not everywhere but when they came back with proofs I stylishly started asking for materials from them. I was in the event 2 years later when we left school.
At times I can't blame many because the gospel is already merchantised and many don't trust the pastors again. Reading comments on NL needs maturity
Only a FOOL will doubt a PROOF.

alexleo: Yes all of you are excited about shiloh and i ve got no problem with that. Only make sure that you also prepare your soul for heaven. I ve watched most of your shiloh dvd and the messages you people are saturated with there are mostly of earthly gain. Sermons that talks about preparation for heaven are very scarce in shiloh. Whatever you are acquiring in life, preparation for where you ll spend eternity remains the uppermost. From all i can gather from your posts here you people are excited about shiloh because of one earthly gain or the other you have been blessed with through it. Remembrr, Jesus is coming soon. Spend more time to pray for heavenly preparation in this shiloh than praying for all these earthly gains. God bless you all.

Thank you for your comment. Just like Chosen ministry always say Heaven At Last. That should be our goal in this life because there is another one after where we will be judged accordingly.
The devil has succeeded in dividing xtians - most denominations see themselves as better than others just as we see non xtians. This is a sin on it own- we lack love and are ignorant of what happens with our brothers and prefer to believe hearsays.
Some people viewed Winners as people running after the only good things of life. Not so. I have been opportuned to follow the activities of many xtian ministries for many years and I want to tell you that it is only in RCCG annual convection that I have seen more people giving their lives to Christ than in Shiloh
Every session in Shiloh is rounded up with altar calls with thousands coming out at Faith tabernacle while same at various viewing centres all over the world. I have witnessed this in Nigeria, Kenya and South Africa. Likewise there are miracles galore everywhere. I don't believe in getting to heaven to get what is prepared for me to access here on earth, so far it godly.
No service is completed in winners chapel without altar call. Only God knows His own

Our leaders are presently molesting this country with full force
Nigeria is in a one chance bus with her molesters taking turns and the driver encouraging his cohorts.
It was never this bad.
Let those who thought they are standing take heed, only one wrong policy decision may lead to an uncontrolled and uncoordinated revolt.
Nigerians are close to the breaking point

Jonathan Spendthrift: Enough is enough - Punch Editorial



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Jonathan Spendthrift: Enough is enough

December 3, 2012 by Punch Editorial Board ⁠48 Comments

NOTHING typifies the frivolous, insensitive and completely inept leadership troubling Nigeria currently than the recent approval of a N2.2bn banquet hall for Aso Villa by the Federal Executive Council. Coming at a time when the country is buffeted by serious security and other challenges, it demonstrates that this government is not a thinking one. Just one of the dozens of eye-opening government expenses, President Goodluck Jonathan is proposing to build a party hall in the palatial Aso Villa while millions of Nigerians are hungry and jobless. Like the fifth Roman Emperor, Nero, Jonathan is fiddling around while the nation is burning. This disgustingly lavish lifestyle must be curbed. 

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The justification is as galling as the project. The FEC hinged its decision to award this contract mainly on its belief that smaller countries have better banquet halls near their seats of power. The Federal Capital Territory Minister, Bala Muhammed, who briefed the press on the issue, added that the existing hall was inconveniencing and that the proposed 150-seater hall would have such facilities as “security, hall conveniences, technical room and press briefing room that are more and more enhanced so that national broadcast can be done from there.” This has taken profligacy in public expenditure to absurd lengths.

Jonathan probably expects Nigerians to give him and the other FEC members a standing ovation for initiating the project. But he is greatly mistaken. This is as reckless as it is feckless. With all its wealth, the United Kingdom houses its Prime Minister modestly at 10 Downing Street.  Its State Dining Room accommodates just up to 65 guests and is also used to host the PM’s monthly press conference.

Other reasonable leaders, including the Presidents of Malawi and Uruguay, have demonstrated good leadership values by their modest lifestyles. As soon as she came to power earlier this year, Malawian President, Joyce Banda, decided to sell off the country’s only Presidential aircraft and a fleet of 60 Mercedes Limousines. She prefers to use private airlines. Banda’s predecessor, Bingu wa Mutharika, had defended the purchase of the jet as a “must” for a national leader in 2009. The same woman recently announced a 30 per cent cut in her salary. This means that Mrs. Banda’s salary will drop from the reported £37,000 a year to £26,000.

On his part, the Uruguayan President, Jose Mujica, not only drives a 1987 Volkswagen Beetle, but also stays at his wife’s farmhouse. Besides, he donates 90 per cent of his monthly salary to charity.  “I’m called the poorest president”, he had said, “but I don’t feel poor. Poor people are those who only work to try to keep an expensive lifestyle, and always want more and more…This is a matter of freedom. If you don’t have many possessions then you don’t need to work all your life like a slave to sustain them, and therefore you have more time for yourself.” 

Also, the King and Prime Minister of Norway reportedly fly commercial airlines. The interesting thing about Norway is that it produces almost the same amount of oil as Nigeria. But while it has successfully navigated through resource curse to be among the richest countries in the world, Nigeria, in spite of its abundant natural resources, is among the poorest. Norway’s success is not by magic but by prudent management of its resources.

Jonathan government has continuously demonstrated that the interest of the larger Nigerian citizens is not its priority and that profligacy is its cardinal principle. There are many depressing examples.  In the 2011 budget, N18bn went for the maintenance of presidential planes, which could provide decent accommodation for 18 million people going by the UN-Habitat estimates. In the 2012 budget, it set aside N1.9bn for the purchase of an additional aircraft for the already bloated Presidential fleet and N1.5bn for guest houses for some senior lawmakers.  This is happening in a country where a prized possession for many is a generating set.

Nigeria is buckling under the weight of Jonathan’s propensity for the absurd. Allegations are flying everywhere about the monumental level of government ineptitude in responding to insecurity. Almost on a daily basis, bandits and Boko Haram terrorists are killing scores of innocent Nigerians.  A recent report by the British-based Economist Intelligence Unit ranked Nigeria as the worst place for a baby to be born in 2013. Nigeria is 80th out of the 80 countries surveyed. Infant and maternal mortality in the country is among the highest in the world. Life expectancy for a child born in Nigeria is 51.9 years whereas, for a small country like Gabon, it is 62.7 years; Mauritius is 73.4 years; and Libya, 74 years.

The 2011 Human Development Index report by the United Nations’ Development Programme placed Nigeria 156th out of 187 countries surveyed. UNDP says, for almost a decade now, Nigeria has been recording consistently high economic growth rate that has not produced commensurate employment opportunities and reduction in poverty among its citizens. Poverty is endemic in the country as over 70 per cent of the citizens live from hand to mouth. An estimated 11 million Nigerian children of school age are out of school. Out of this number, about 7.5 million are girls.

With a GDP Per Capita of $2,500, malnutrition wracks 46 per cent of the population, unemployment rate was 23.9 per cent in 2011 and youth unemployment rate was as high as 46.5 per cent in the same year.  It is insulting that the President is creating an atmosphere of wealth and luxury for himself.  In the 2012 Mo Ibrahim Index for African Governance, Nigeria was ranked 43 out of 52 countries assessed. The country’s overall score of 42.0 did not even match up to the West African average score of 51.9. Smaller countries just emerging from the ravages of war, such as Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda and Angola, are relatively better in development indices. Poor infrastructure and harsh economic environment have led to the shutdown of many companies. Some of these companies have relocated to these same smaller countries, leading to massive loss of jobs in Nigeria. This is a grim reminder of North Korea whose leader lives in opulence while the entire populace live in abject poverty.

Regrettably, the Jonathan administration is no longer evincing any hope. The cavalier attitude of the National Assembly is also regrettable. In the life of this administration, corruption has assumed a monstrous status. According to SUNDAY PUNCH investigation, over N5tn in government funds has been stolen through fraud, embezzlement and theft since President Jonathan assumed office on May 6, 2010. Sadly, as The Economist puts it, “Many Africans are ambivalent about their leaders’ extravagance; disgust at profligacy mingles with pride at the display.”

The Jonathan government has demonstrated complete lack of judgement in initiating this project. The citizens, through civil society groups, should rise up to salvage what is remaining of this country. Nigerians should wake up and demand modesty from their rulers. Leadership is about self sacrifice, assertiveness, service, prudent management and the ability to think and galvanise the populace towards achieving the vision of the leader for the common good of all.

Jonathan should curb this regal lifestyle and lavish spending of public money. He should step aside if he cannot do this.

dvdami: Shiloh 2012- I cant wait.

I am a fool for Christ. It is better to be foolish for Christ than to be wise for the devil.

Can anybody give me the location of some of the satelllite viewing centres in Lagos.

I work on Lagos Island but I live on the mainland. Pls drop the location of any satellite viewing centre around Yaba, Mushin, Palmgroove, TBS, Marina or anywhere close and I will so much appreciate it.

Dont know much about lagos arrangement but knows all winner chapels will be a viewing centre. Look for a winner around town to tell you about lagos location.
Can watch online or via free to air satellite (my TV).

eldoradoxx: Pls those around abuja where do u ve shiloh viewing centres inside town?

All winners chapels across Nigeria and Abuja will serve as viewing centre. There are winners chapels all over Abuja. Look for the one closest to you. You can also watch it online and on the newly launched Breakthrough Broadcasting Network on intelsat 7,10 ku satellite (same as my TV cable satellite dish) free of charge in the comfort of your house.
Bless you.

dpee4real: Hi folalekan,
I ws told to call 4 update in 2-3wks,dt all my docs&payment wil b verified b4 getin d permit.i gt admitd 4a phd.lol

@dpee4real. I submitted my documents at Abuja for study permit on Nov. 13th and was given two phone nos to be calling to know the status but the nos have not been going for the past 2 weeks. 094624200, 094624201.
I have used the first no in the past to make enquiries few weeks ago.
Did they give u separate phone no apart from these two?
Is there any particular time one should call
What day of the week can one collect the passport back
Thanks

moredendisc: @fittty

@Adesiji77

Zoo? zoo?

fittty's zoo recommendation would have been OK but University of Ibadan zoo is past its prime, it is a shadow of itself;

No more gorilla, no more crocodiles, no more lions etc

Don't waste your time and entry money visiting the zoo

Adesiji77, the only think you'll remember about the zoo after leaving, will be the midges that bit you when you were there

Ibadan is a lackadaisical city and sadly hasn't like Lagos got a galleria, mega plaza, The Palms etc

Ibadan is usually quiet by 7 - 9 pm, you can check out amala joints etc though

It is sad how people just sit down in their room and write wrong things as facts. When was the last time you visited UI zoo?
Please stop giving wrong information about Ibadan. The zoo was renovated few months ago. The lion and other animals are still there.

Places of Interest
1. Moving round the UI campus which includes the zoo
2. Mapo hall
3. Olubadan palace
4. Bower hill
5. Agodi botanical garden, behind secretariat
6. National museum, aleshinloye
7. Cocoa House and Kokodome
8. Ibadan Poly
9. Drive round Alalubosa, Bodija, Oluyole, Ring Road areas
10. Visit Mokola hill at night for fun fare( must be careful)
11. Jogor centre for a show
12. Many clubs like Option 24 for nite crawlers
13. Lead City Univ
14. Visit research centres like IITA,NISER,NIHORT -they look like places out of this country
15. Many Amala joints.
16.UCH. - if u do not have hospital phobia

When you visit the palace, national museum they will tell u some other places of interest.

Take care.

I understood that this story was culled from Daily Trust and was written by one uniformed journalist. The NUJ should do something about this hungry news men that sleep all day in their room and ended up sending unverified information to their editors. May be some of this so called committee members just sit in their hotel rooms and wrote unconfirmed information or the journalist made a typo error of writing 569 instead of 5.69 student per toilet facility
Am very conversant with ABU, Zaria and since inception the female medical students always have the best treatment unlike their main and kongo campuses ladies.
The main campus hostels have a lot to cater for but each floor has up to 10 toilets each.

What's d latest pls

cjrane: Next time don't pass through their state.
And stop posting fake pictures from the internet.i thought you had a real picture of the event.

Nairaland is filled with negative immature commentors, overflow of hatred and jealousy.

Chief Akinjide interview on Splash fm lbadan - Voices with Edmund Obilo
Highpoints
1.The judgement was a fraud because the ICJ presidency was changed and a french man took over when France has a vest interest
2. Nigeria had formidable team comprising of lawyers and profesors of law from Nigeria including Cross River, Cambrigde,Oxford,Egypt
3. Gowon never gave out Bakassi
4. Nigeria need to go ICJ because Cameroun claimed Nigerian boundary from lake chad to the atlantic. All the Nigeria off shore oil deposits would have gone.
5. No other Nigerian leader would have vacated Bakassi for anything except------+-(he was silent on who actually gave it out but we know who did it).
6. Nigeria should go ahead to take it back because we have one of the strongest force in Africa but must be careful because of other interested party who are the one behind cameroun particularly France and Britain who actually caused the whole thing and never supported Nigeria during the case.
7. He hopes ? GEJ has the gut to take it by force or any other way.
8. No wise country or senate would actually ratified giving away of ones land and should never do that

There are many things to look out for here. As a medical personnel the first thing to do is to make sure that the patients life is saved no matter what his offence was.
The students should know that they are going to pay for everything destroyed. The innocent ones should go ahead and identify the looters. From the pics above one can even identify some of the looters.

Why Saudi Arabia moved against Nigeria

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Written by Hassan Ibrahim, Regional Editor Northwest Saturday, 29 September 2012
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To many observers, irrespective of religion or creed, the embarrassment meted on hundreds of Nigerian female pilgrims in Saudi Arabia who were there for the 2012 Hajj pilgrimage, is not only a diplomatic breach, but a challenge to Nigeria’s integrity as a sovereign state to them, the action is.

It is no longer news that even as the National Hajj Commission of Nigeria (NAHCON) stood on the defensive and reiterated its position that all the affected pilgrims, who were packed at the Kingdom’s airports in prison-like camps before their deportation, had valid visas obtained from the Saudi Consulate in Nigeria before embarking on the fateful trip, the Saudi authorities had denied the pilgrims, especially those within the youthful age, entry into the holy land.

The age-long tradition that each female pilgrim should be accompanied by a male chaperone (Muharram) in accordance to the Islamic provision, was also relegated to the foreground by the Saudi’s themselves. What had always been observed during Hajj because of the high pilgrim turn- over, particularly from oil rich states like Nigeria, was that trained indigenous Hajj officials should guard and guide a number of female pilgrims on the holy journey within a prescribed period that covers the Hajj.

All these, for incomprehensible reasons to millions of Nigerians and their friends international community, were not taken into consideration by the Saudi authorities who, without notice, reneged and subjected the unsuspecting Nigerian women to series of trauma, psychological imbalance and worst form of human humiliation rarely seen in the 21st century. Reports had it that some of the affected were still being hunted by the nightmare, while the loss of appetite due to poor feeding and inadequate toilet facilities, kept doctors busy in Kano and other airports where the pilgrims had arrived.

Intensive diplomatic effort and lobby by the Nigerian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Alhaji Abubakar Shehu Bunu and his team, could not soften the heart of the Saudi authorities. They watched helplessly as the women were bundled back to Nigeria, while the aged among them were allowed to proceed after serious search and scrutiny. Sadly, even couple whose names could not tally, were turned back with little or no care about the implication of such action.
For now, the question is: What could have made the Saudis to take such a harsh decision on Nigeria in spite of their cordial relations that span many decades? Looking back to history, the countries, especially in 1960s, were the best of friends, who relied on each other in many ways. The mutually beneficial relationship between the then Premier of Northern Nigeria, late Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna and the Saudi monarch then, led to the influx of many Nigerians into the Kingdom who provided cheap labour and did engaged in menial jobs. With time and as family, hundreds with Nigerian blood were born in the Kingdom, often times of mixed parenthood.
Crime is a universal feature of all human societies, but because of the preference being enjoyed by Nigerians in the holy land, other blacks who found their way into Arabia claimed to be Nigerians subsequently, internal contradictions of life and hardship associated to poverty in some African countries led to criminal tendencies and such Africans, consciously or otherwise, imported these negative behavours into Saudi Arabia. Sadly, anything bad became a Nigerian phenomenon in Arabia, perhaps due to Nigeria’s strength, population and super power potentials, which were envied by other countries.

On March 14, 2003 or thereabout, for example, the Saudi authorities deported over 3,000 Nigerians who overstayed in the Kingdom after performing the lesser Hajj, Umrah. It was reported that the deportees, who included 500 women and 255 children, were arrested in Makkah. The Immigration authorities had also imposed fines on companies that brought in the pilgrims at SR3, 000 per person for failing to inform the authorities about their disappearance.

“During the holy month of Ramadan between early November and December, the police arrested about 20,400 foreign nationals for staying illegally in the Kingdom. According to Interior Ministry officials, Saudi Arabia deports more than 700,000 illegal immigrants every year. Illegal foreigners are deported while landlords renting accommodation to them face prison terms and fines,” they said.

Although restriction on the movement of these illegal pilgrims is oftentimes, relaxed during Hajj, Saturday Tribune was told that women were not spared as it was a regular feature to see the Askars, Saudi policemen, on a hot chase to arrest black women, Sadly, some were born and bred in the holy land and when eventually deported, they found it extremely hard to reintegrate and would consequently indulge in whatever that was humanly possible to return to the Kingdom. According to Sheik Gumi in an interview he granted in Mecca, these Nigerians or blacks are called Tukar and were not ready to back to their countries because life is good in the Kingdom. Food in varieties are readily available and affordable.

It was not uncommon that such women were always on the move with their precious belongings such as gold and other valuables. This is because if they were eventually arrested and deported, the chance of getting their belongings, which they toiled to keep over the years, was almost zero. They were hardly taken to courts, and as soon as news spread of their arrest, there were always a notorious gang of black boys called the Angula, who, it was alleged, vandalised such abandoned property.For those women with athletic prowess that escaped arrest, they often escape into the mountains and joined several other blacks where they formed a colony.

From Shaharmansur, an area in Mecca with a large population of blacks, one could take a trip to the colony of illegal immigrants in the Kingdom through Goshen Bukar, where second-hand clothes and other items, were sold. In fact, life in that area is just like life in Kano and many pilgrims from West Africa often have a respite on a visit to the area because African dishes of all varieties, including yam and bush meat are available. At twilight, the blacks will disappear one after the other and could only be found on the mountains where there are kingpins who constitute themselves as leaders of the colony and must be obeyed.

According to Ibrahim Tikari, who claimed to be born in Saudi Arabia, the Askars are not good mountain climbers and are afraid of scorpions and other reptiles. So, the blacks capitalise on that to take refuge on the mountains. “The colony has everything one could need and even marriages and naming ceremonies are conducted there. There are petty crimes and women-of-easy virtues who dot not only associate with their fellow blacks but often have links with some powerful sons of the soil, who had devised several ways of reaching them at a fee,” he said.

When Hajj is at its peak, disabled children will be sent from the mountains to seek for alms, singing melodies that touch the heart near the Holy Ka’abah, but under the watchful eyes of their mentors who continue to play hide-and-seek with the authorities. Immediately after the Hajj, they often rush back to the mountains with enough food and other provisions that will last for a year. The very few that are lucky will hide in the houses of affluent Arabs for years where they work like jackals, receiving meagre wages that has no equivalence in the Saudi civil service or its military. Anytime such Tukars are tired of solitary life, they often make themselves available for arrest and are deported either by sea or air to their home countries in Africa.

The Nigerian President, Dr Goodluck Jonathan was in far away United States when the current diplomatic row broke out, but the country has since announced that the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Aminu Waziri Tambuwal, will leave for Saudi Arabia to meet with Saudi authorities over the contentious issue. Already, the Speaker had met with the Saudi Arabian Ambassador to Nigeria, Mr. Khalid Abdrabuh, in Abuja where it was assured that the matter would soon be resolved. It was learnt during the meeting that officials from the Nigerian Ministry of Foreign Affairs were deliberating with their counterparts from the Saudi Ministry of Hajj with a view to resolving the impasse.

The matter which to many, was the first of its kind in contemporary Nigeria had really caused upsets in the Presidency and Goodluck Jonathan has approved the constitution of a presidential delegation to interface with the Saudi authorities over the issues. Tambuwal, sources said, would get briefings from the Nigerian officials, who were already in Saudi having talks with the Arabs.

For now, the airlift to the holy land from Nigeria had been suspended and might be resumed depending on how persuasive the Speaker and his team would be with the Kingdom’s officials who have a strict adherence to the dictates of the Holy Qur’an, the words and teachings of the Holy Prophet of Islam and the consensus of Islamic clerics in Kingdom.

The spokesman of the National Hajj Commission of Nigeria (NAHCON), Uba Mana, had assured that the ongoing discussions would resolve the impasse, even as Sheikh Tijjani Bala Kalarawi urged that Nigeria’s offence, if any, should be made clear and not an unwarranted detention of its female pilgrims and subsequent deportation. Sad with the detention of the female pilgrims over Muharram, he said “the issue of Murraham is untenable given the tradition that pilgrims from Nigeria are always under the care of government officials throughout their stay in Saudi Arabia.”

The Sultan of Sokoto and National Amirul Hajj, Alhaji Muhammadu Sa’ad had condemned the Saudi action, which he described as an insult to Nigeria and to this country’s millions of Muslims.”The Saudi action came as a total surprise to Nigeria’s hajj authorities because during the numerous meetings held between Nigerian and Saudi officials to prepare for this year’s hajj, the issue of muharram for female pilgrims was never raised,”he said.

According to the monarch, “they never raised this issue and never demanded that the female pilgrims must have a muharram. They did not make this a requirement for issuing visas. They issued visas to all these pilgrims, only to embarrass, detain and threaten to deport them when they arrived in the holy land. How can they do this to us? The chairman of the National Hajj Commission assured me that the Saudis never asked for this during all the meetings they held. This is very unfortunate. We have done a lot over the years to improve on our hajj operation and we do not deserve this humiliation.

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abiamone

Gowon was too young, too immature and very uneducated during the Nigeria-Biafra war. He was no match for Ojukwu in any way. So as head of state, afraid of losing a part of his country, he had every reason to do anything to win the war, and ceding Bakassi to Cameroon was one such option. After the war he went to Warwick University in England where he obtained a PhD. What is baffling Nigerians now is his total silence over this issue. Have we Nigerians no right to ask him to tell us what exactly happened?
We have never read or heard of a sovereign nation who happily gave away its territory. President Jonathan is older than Gowon when the latter was head of state. President Jonathan is more educated as at the time he became head of state. There is no break-away war facing Jonathan. Why, then, shouldn't Jonathan understand that Gowon gave away Bakassa under duress?

Naijaa

May be there wont be much to loot in Bakkassi

ogunjobi

Brothers and sisters the people should decide, the best solution is memo, nobody knows how much money our corrupt political leaders received and gave to Cameroun.what a shame

From Dr Prof Ogunjobi

Villageboy_75

It's a matter of legal principles! Nigerian counsels depended solely ab initio on the following three legal principles of international law to argue our case at the ICJ and are still relying on them as the fresh facts the Bakassi indigenes claim to possess show, (1) the principle of historical consolidation (2) the principle of effectiveness (effective & undisturbed administration) and (3) the principle of critical date; but unfortunately since the Burkina Faso v. Mali case of 1986 (see ICJ Law Reports 1986 p. 554) the court has permanently adopted the legal principle of "uti possidetis juris" informally called "the Burkina Faso Principle" (which states that agreements concluded by colonial powers in maritime delimitation and cession of parcels of land are legally binding on the colonies even after independence) to the 'nearly total exclusion' of other legal principles in land and maritime delimitation;

Cameroun relied heavily on the Anglo-German Agreement of 1913 to prove the "uti possidetis juris" principle and won! And by established practice the ICJ "can only" consider the other three principles of International Law as the basis of its judgement in the absence of the principle of "uti possidetis juris''! The only blunder we made was that our legal counsels should have been wise enough to advise the Federal Government not to acknowledge the jurisdiction of the ICJ and in this case the legal suit wouldn't have been filed initially unilaterally as before such cases are heard and determined the two states parties to the litigation in question must explicitly acknowledge the jurisdiction of the Court in delimiting their borders (see ICJ statutes); this is the same thing the then Ambassador of the UK told OBJ during the Press Conference in Abuja following the pronouncement of the judgement (reported by ThisDay Newspapers two days after the judgement in 2003) that Nigeria shouldn't have agreed to go to court in the first place and that now that the judgement has been pronounced that Nigeria doesn't have any other option than to comply else Cameroun may petition the Security Council which will be bad for our national image!

Our only weapon now is to prove that the Anglo-German Agreement of 1913 which the ICJ used as the basis of its "uti possidetis juris" principle to judge in favour of Cameroun was forged as the indigenes of Bakassi are now claiming, and if proved would secure us our victory and if not would be another national embarrassment for us!

PAPII

I will considered Jonathan Traitor if he fails to appeal this Judgement,The next thing he will make arrests and say the actions of the protesters are capable of causing unrest while at this point he refused to listen to reason even if he has conceded to give up Bakassi at-least he shld put up a fight by appealing and continue the process until a capable hand is voted in by 2015 because conceding Bakassi easily shows weakness and lack of direction as our leader . Nigeria should act now and avert this shame , all over the world Nigeria is a laughing stock deported at any little act and considered as rouges not minding our hardworking nature . We need a Passionate Leader a True Nationalists who loves Nigeria to Lead not the Weakling Jonathan whoes only agenda is how to return to Aso Rock by 2015 but time will tell nd history will remember him a the weakest leader in the world.

omokaro1

Inspite of these evidences that bakassi belong to nigeria, there is still no sign of reclaiming it back by jonathan. But if it were to be bayelsa for example, i suppose the president would have long acted with no delay.

omokaro1

Inspite of these evidences that bakassi belong to nigeria, there is still no sign of reclaiming it back by jonathan. But if it were to be bayelsa for example i suppose the president would have long acted with no delay.

pobiokor

The idea to cede Bakassi to Cameroun ultimately lies in the hands of the Bakassi people. Here is why.

Nigeria has played hide and seek with Bakassi on the heels of the British. The Caerounians seems enthusiastic about owning Bakassi but have been overly cautious because of the disenfranchisement of the Germans in World War II. But Nigeria, all along, was confused by the miasma of British colonialism with regards to Bakassi. So here is confusion! A confusion deeply ingrained in Nigeria's phychi about whether or not Bakassi should be a constitutional part of Nigeria. If that is the case, then Nigeria should make herself clear and move to close ranks with Cameroun on Bakassi at once. If not, Nigeria should announce it's lack of interest.

Too much is being said about Bakassi already. The question is what do the Bakassi people want? Nigeria, Cameroun, or total independence?

I don't think anybody, and certainly not the Bakassi people should be put in position of uncertainty. IT IS WRONG!!!


Yeswecan Collapse

Please can somebody explain to me why Aja Wachukwu's name is being bandied about here. Is he not from the East?


Haneah X

There is too much bukuru and legalese in these opinions. It is irrelevant. A portion of our territory was given away under false pretenses. Let's just get it back. For those in power who are being misguided, please remember that Bakassi is 4 times the size of Lichtenstein ( a country in Europe) and 10 times its population. It is rich in oil - much richer than Lichtenstein so their future is not limited to the options of either being in Cameroun or Nigeria. They could choose to be independent. The world has changed since 2002. Such a move for independence could be concluded very quickly even in the face of military incursion by Cameroon. Let's do the right thing.

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