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jasmine21: She & Clement had a huge argument today. I can help post d video for you guys and if MTN uploads d extended version later I will also post that for u guys.

dats the crippled guy abi... She likes d guy but seems the guy is not giving her face.

cococandy: A remand home is like a form of juvie right?
As long as it is legal and recognized,
Totally cool.

yea I think so.. Heard its a place for stubborn kids under 18 so we were told when we young..

Me don't think the punishment was extreme if its not detrimental to his health. When I was growing up their use to be these family friend we use t have their son was just extremely stubborn all methods proved abortive. The parents was frustrated, when it was too much they took him to remand home at yaba or so they left him there for 3 days una when he came back the guy brain reset. Now the guy is one responsible dude now. Me self I don't chop some kind beatings that when I remember self I just thank God say them beat the devil comot. Shebi its the bible that says in the heart of a child is madness but with better cane it would be chased out(modified)

AjanleKoko: Electrical Engineering: Aspirants and Practitioners

Though have read the thread before.. Thanks for your time.. I really appreciate. Enjoy your week. If there are any questions you are just a mention away.. Thanks again..

AjanleKoko: Of course control and instrumentation is very good. Excellent in fact.
But you would need to be working in high-end manufacturing or energy to maximize your potential. The opportunities are very very limited in Nigeria. In fact you can apply the same type of scaling I did for the ICT industry, only that the barriers to entry are steeper for control engineering.

oh thanks very much.. Its really been great time with you today. Since you have a broad knowledge of EEE. Sir, can you tell us we upcoming guys in EEE others areas of EEE that are also viable and we could also make careers out off.. Apart from the general ones we know like ICT, Power, Electronics, control and instrumentation. these hopefully should be the last question for the day .. Sorry for taking your time. Thanks again.

AjanleKoko: OEM - Original Equipment Manufacturer.
Otherwise known as Microsoft, HP, Cisco, Ericsson, Alcatel-Lucent, Huawei, and so on.

control and instrumentation - interesting. My Msc dissertation was focused on industrial control electronics.
Though finding a job in that line will require a very good degree at Bachelors level, and a lot of grace

hmmm now that's scary.. Talked to some people and they were like its a very good area of specialization.. But you saying something different and very scary. So which area in EEE requires just a good degree and grace. No lots and very good.. I hope you understand.. Thanks in advance

@ajanlekeko. Oh thanks very much... Well I did elect elect in FUTA and doing ma NYSC. Am not the certification person. Just decided to ask the questions to help some others who wants to sojourn into the ICT sector. As for me, I don't have interest the ICT sector for now thinking of the control and instrumentation or power sectors. Sorry but what's OEM?? Thanks for your time again..

Aprime: Hmmmm all this long post without paragraph na wa woo.

so dats all u can see... What would someone not see on NL..

AjanleKoko: Good question.
My recommendation should be that you focus on getting into a category 2 company, worst case category 1. You need to get the skills, even if you go for training or acquire any vendor certifications.

My personal experience: I graduated with a 2.2 in the 90s.
You might think that it was easier back then, but in my opinion it was a lot more difficult. And there was little or no certification to speak of.
When I completed NYSC, I tried to get into some of those category 3 companies, with very little success. They only recruited top students of EE, CE, and CS (first class and 2:1).

I eventually was able to squeeze into a category 2 company, specializing in software development at the time.
While at that organization (earning a shi.tty salary), I started my masters degree in EE during that period. But more importantly, I did a development project that exposed me to biometrics and chip-card technology. That proved to be invaluable experience, as I was able to get a job not long after, with the only payment system provider in the country at the time.

I stayed with them until GSM started in 2001, following which I moved to telecom. However, the very important difference that made for me was that, I got enough training (local and international), vendor certifications (paid for by my company), and exposure (various hi-tech projects). When the GSM companies arrived in '01, people like me easily picked up positions. In fact I got jobs at both the two players that were licensed at the time, within days of each other. Probably that is why I don't think certifications worth the trouble without experience.

My advice to you is: Don't think about the labour market too much. Focus on where you want to go, and be realistic about how you're going to get there. There are really no short cuts. It's either you do the work in school, or after school.

Thanks very much for your time sir. More grace to your elbow. Sir, you have really explained some very cogent points. Sir, what will say to some considering M.sc after school would that in any way broaden their chances for companies in category 3 - 5. I know for a fact from reading and surfing online that some industries prefers M,sc holders in some cases e.g oil and gas. Would you say the same for the ICT sector. And what are the area you would recommend with the current trend in the sector. Thanks again. Sorry for the many questions.

GboyegaD: Been abusive is very wrong and I find it amusing when in some cases we support it in the name of corrections. I'm so sure you feel the lady who asked the household to sit on an electric cooker last week is wicked and all sorts but truth is she is not in any way worse than this lady as well. Parenting styles differs no doubt nonetheless, inhumane treatment should be frowned at. My opinion though.

I think we belong to different school of thought as regards these maybe because of my growing up and where I did grow up. The one about the maid to me is extreme. And I don't have problem with your school of thought but with your statement of her not been fit to be a mother. Your use of words.

AjanleKoko: Why don't you answer? Thought you knew it all

Anyway . . .

The ICT Industry in Nigeria (note I modified the term to include communications)has a reasonably wide scope. There are different categories of ICT jobs in Nigeria. I'd broadly classify under 5 categories:

1. In Computer Village, selling accessories, doing basic installations, repairs, etc., for the consumer and SME market. This could even be an itinerant freelance computer engineer or software developer doing basic stuff by himself/herself.

2. In small IT companies, doing system installation, cabling, LAN/WAN, helpdesk services, software development, implementation and support, for small and medium companies.

3. In medium and large system integrator-type companies, doing essentially the same thing as 2. Difference however is that the medium and large integrator companies have a lot of OEM relationships, and they typically manage the bigger projects, and work with bigger clientele (medium and large organizations).

4. Working in service providers (telcos, ISPs), managing their infrastructure, which they use to provide their services. Fixed or mobile voice, or Internet, or nowadays even cloud services.

5. Working for OEMs as sales/pre-sales technology people, account managers, system or software engineers, etc. Generally in Nigeria OEMS do not have a lot of in-country technical manpower, they employ mostly pre-sales, sales, and account management people.


To 'break into' the IT industry, you will need to 'break' into any of 1 to 5.
It's probably easy to decipher that 3-5 hold the largest career prospects, which include remuneration, training, exposure, and career progression. 1 and 2 are necessary evils that sometimes you need to pass through, in order to get to 3-5.

Now for what qualifications (or experience) you typically need to 'break' into 1-5:

- For 1: No qualifications required, just somebody willing to take you on in some sort of apprenticeship. Or if you are a self-starter, you can learn by yourself. In these days of YouTube, there are tutorials on just about anything.

- For 2: You need to have some level of experience or knowledge with 1, to be considered for employment in 2. That's the usual practice, because people here are very cost-sensitive and need people that can immediately add value to their bottom line.

- For 3: You need the following here usually: (a) A relevant tertiary qualification. (b) Evidence of experience in 2.
Certifications are definitely complementary here, but without a or b, you will struggle to get a place in a Telnet, or Resourcery, or Computer Warehouse, or WECO Systems, etc. Those are typical category 3 companies.

- For 4: This one is very interesting. It depends on the type of service provider. But generally you need (a) A relevant tertiary qualification. (b) Evidence of experience in 2 or 3, or particularly 4.

Certifications are not very relevant here. For example in the service provider where I work, you have a CCIE reporting to someone who has no
vendor certification. Experience is the most important currency in the telco or ISP environment.

- For 5: It usually gets worse here. You need a very good relevant tertiary qualification, plus experience, usually in 3, and certification is an added bonus. However, many of the OEMS in Nigeria don't even have large technical teams, as they have channel partners who are in category 3. Most OEMs presence in Nigeria is to generate business, not to execute.

Now let me attempt to answer your question after all the long turenchi.
Most people see IT as some kind of getaway route, and they can just use certifications to augment and jump into a job. Actually this has worked in the past, in the 90s. When MCSE was virtually unknown, people actually used MCSE certifications to land foreign jobs from Nigeria. But that time has passed, and IT is way more structured. That's why I went to all that trouble of outlining 1-5 for you.

If you are in school the first assignment for you is to get a good degree. The very good opportunities in ICT in Nigeria (categories 3-5) are very highly competitive. They typically expect the best graduates from CS or electronic engineering, and people compete fiercely for any entry positions available. Certification without requisite experience means little to these guys, for two reasons. One is, they are top-heavy with OEM certifications. Secondly, they only value experience, in the absence of which they need really smart guys that they can train.

If you are out of school, then you have to think a little differently. Technical career path is not the only career path in ICT. You can also explore either a project/program management + IT Governance route, or you can explore a career from a purely sales perspective. It all depends on what is available to you.

From this thread, it's quite apparent that most Nigerians do not really understand the makeup of the ICT industry in Nigeria. That's understandable, if you're forming impressions from outside, and also from hearsay. The truth is that ICT isn't fundamentally different from any other industry. In fact, basic ICT skills are now an integral requirement for many professionals all over the world. I hope all of this info actually helps someone.

thanks sir... Had to read and is still re-reading.. What's happens to those that have gone to a tertiary institution and came out with a 2.2 or lower credit. What's happens?? How do they move from your candid experience.

oluwabukunola: what! Is he insane or what oops! Sorry about dat. Ahn! Ahn! Which kain man be dat. Hmm God is your helper o.

madam we don't do these here.... Are you sure you have an husband??

D way you guys are attacking the man self I don't understand oo. Mr Ajanlekeko has been on the forum a long time and has got the experience I give that to him. If he says something you not comfortable with been aggressive is not the solution. Let ask him the way forward not been aggressive and a lil disrespectful. Sowi for the epistle. Mr ajanlekeko pls help with ma question..

AjanleKoko: I was in IT long before some of you guys got admission to school.
And I am still waiting for your response re the below

So sir, what would you advise a young graduate who wants to break into the IT industry. Which way to go during those days when employment is not forthcoming

How about we look at from the angle that the woman might have some attitude problems. Like making him feel less of a man, over riding his decisions in the home and the likes because she has more money than him. It could cause resentment too..

GboyegaD: @Snazzylove,
Your friend isn't fit to be a mother. If both kids at that tender age exhibit such character, she should sit them down and find the root cause of where such habit was learnt that way, she can handle it in a better way. What the kids need is help to get out of such habit as I do not believe they know what they are doing and I an sure they get no pleasure nor relief from such.
Applying pepper to the kini makes no difference and it is only an abuse to the child.

Sir, I find it distasteful telling someone she is not fit to be a mother. Is there a criteria for been a mother?? Please give advise if you want to. And stop throwing jabs at the woman. I remember vividly when I was younger and my mum caught me gambling she beat so te I can remember asking if na she born me. But am a better person for it today. Everyone style of parenting is different the fact that hers does not align with yours does not in anyway make her less of a mother. But to these post me don't no what to say oo.. Brain is still loading. But am sure they must have caught or seen someone doing it.

toba: That was an error. I knew immediately they mentioned the 4 potential evictee, that Daniella would be saved and for the sack of balancing things up, the Ghanian would also be saved. Due to Shola's popularity, he was going to be saved by the contestants. Taiwo is better than Shola.

This is what you get when biased fans that knows nothing about Music are to determine the fate of the contestants. Debbie that was poor, should have been on probation

me too.. Taiwo was already saved once so in order to be fair I knew shola would be saved. These voting system is beginning or will begin to affect the performance sooner or later. When the contestant bring their C game knowing fully well that Judges no get say for the matter and on eviction night bring their A game. But all in apart from christian and geoffrey none was spectacular jawe. Shola self just dai try.

I kinda agree with jasmine the contestant these year are a lil below par than that of last year. I think its time flourish goes home. The guys are really killing it. Most of their performances apart from christian, jeff and sentimentally add the one legged guy I think others where just there. A non Nigerian can't definitely win it. If a non Nigerian was going to win it. It should have been nicholas from SL or Ghana can remember. I hate to sound pessimistic. In these season, the people with the best performances Most times goes on probation and its killing the vibe, I just hope christian(ghana) and geoffrey(idontknow) does not go on probation next week.

joywendy: it has always being like that, I'm surprised you are just finding out.Never trust reality shows.

mehn I just did ooo... So annoying..

jasmine21: Not Debbie oh! It was Daniella that was on probation NOT Debbie.

thanks for the correction..

joywendy: it has always being like that, I'm surprised you are just finding out.Never trust reality shows.

mehn I just did ooo.. So annoying

AriDsexy: One could see the disapointment written all over Taiwo,it even showed in his performance today.Yes,Daniella is good!

I feel the organisers of the show are beginning to manipulate the result because I don't understand how some one would perform so well and still be on probation. Its making the show annoying. Its not about how good you are anymore..

homesteady: Poor Christian! always on probation!
I thought I read Daniella was on probation?

oh sowi... The girl that came in through wild cats.. I wonders what's happening to christian the guy gets all the cheers but he is still always on probation...

homesteady: Only Taiwo? how many were on probation? who saved who?

yes only taiwo... Judges saved debby, faculty saved christian, housemate saved shola... Taiwo had only one vote from the house mates

Taiwo was evicted....

Emioga: @krystal101 looooool and my palour too na my territories be dat and i never overstep them.i even have another entrance into d house(my own entrance)i sweep my side of d house they sweep theirs.like a poster said desperate times call for desperate measures i cant kill myself

That's the spirit madam... Now that you have created boundaries and you seem to have found peace and happiness within yourself, I think you add lot of prayers to it and be proactive about getting a source of income. The lord be with you and makes his peace to rest upon you. Don't forget if their is anytime you want to let of steam. These thread is just a click away. God bless your marriage. Enjoy your weekend.

akitijackson: I'm final year student of the English Language(B.A). In my 1st year in the university, I was a first class student, bt I drastically dropped to 2.2 in 300level. As I discovered d level at which I dropped, I lost interest in the degree, nw I dnt knw my fate. My plan nw is as soon as I'm done, I'm gonna apply for a 2nd degree nd dis time ntin will stop me frm attaining what I've always desired. Now my dilema is if it's gon be a gud idea for me to start afresh or shld I jst continue onto masters? I really want to make things straight cos the worst result I've eva had is dis present 1.

. bross.. If you have really evaluated yourself and you see there is no problem physically... Bros consider the spiritual side of it... Speakng from experience...

Saraha1: Common! This year programe is not that difficult. The lord is your strenght.
Our effort shall not be in vain in Jesus name.

amen

Y are people making it sound like if a marriage goes south.. It is always the man's fault.

In dis scenerio there would always be a reason to justify what the woman did. But the truth the man and woman are not on the same page. They have issues in their marriage that been said the woman messed up.

Saraha1: Yes oh!


Habi you dey partake for our 70days fasting and prayer ?

. Oh yes... But you know sometimes the spirit is wiling but the flesh is weak... Hop u dai run am sha...

joywendy: lolz thanks
But sincerely I'm very far from that,I personally hate prolong argument. I was just trying to bring up a point, I just don't like it when I say something and someone misinterprets it to mean something else.

I just had to put the lady in her place and make her understand what I was saying.
That's just it.

Pls edit that last post, too much mistakes.
Thanks

oh my my... U c na.. U very articulate... Done

joywendy: Did you even read my other posts before coming here to talk?

U would pass for a very good lawyer or debator..

. Done... I like dis question that is why am goin to be leaving it... Question for critical reflection...

Saraha1: Yes oh, mfm for life.

na prayer city sure pass be that..