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sonmvayina:
You are missing everything...

Try and understand before you start typing.

I am not missing anything sir.

Just as some people's God is the sun, you have expanded the scope of your God to EVERYTHING consisting in the Universe.

So, for you, your God is EVERYTHING seen and unseen and thus he isn't an entity

You are a Pantheistic or at best practice Stoicism or Hermeticism

sonmvayina:
God is not a person. It is the totality of existence....we are part of It/him/ she..and it/he/she is part of us....
Comprende?

You have just said that he doesn't exist as an entity. Your God is the Universe itself just as some people's God is the sun!

No difference!

sonmvayina:
God is not a person. It is the totality of existence....we are part of It/him/ she..and it/he/she is part of us....
Comprende?

In other words, he doesn't exist as an entity!

sonmvayina:
No my God is not a spirit neither is he a Jewish man up in the sky.
My God is the universal divine consciousness...it encompasses all spirit. He is sovereign to all his creation. He is indivisible. He is one Lord...

What does it even mean: Universal divine consciousness?

Is he a "person/entity"?
Can you describe him?

tctrills:
If the war ends today and all sanctions are removed, the Russian economy will immediately start bouncing back. Russia has very little foreign debt and don't forget that the west ceased about 600 billion dollars of Russian money.
When this war ends, Russia would go back to making money.

It is worse than that sir,
Russian is a net importing country and their manufacturing industry doesn't really exist. Once they exit the war economy, there would be a massive inflation and political unrests. Putin will be replaced. Russia has lost too much from this war

Expanse2020:
But if you aren't blind, you can vividly saw the tafseer you posted that the sanda was a custom and was abolished and replace with the 80 lashes but your blindness as made your heart blind.,

When did Tafsir become the word of Allah?

So, show me where Allah replaced the abrogated verse with something similar or better?

tctrills:
You just said that Russia is many times bigger than Ukraine. They have all the advantages compared to Ukraine.

Let's see what happens in one month. Then we can restart this debate.

It means they need much more resources to survive. They don't have many Allies like Ukraine funding them.

Thus by 2026, you will see another soviet style economic collapse in Russia. They've been struggling to keep inflation under control because they are running a war economy where money is the main form of inducement for men joining the army.

It will take a minimum of ten years for Russia to recover from their destruction if USA does not bail them out

EXOUSIAng:
I just provided superior point of view.
That's how people talk.

Dogs go about barking.
That's what you are doing now

I can see that you are pained.
Sorry!

If you had showed a little intelligence, you would have been spared.

Sorry ehn!!

Lamasta:
Judge without wig well done o

Na you be judge with secondhand wig bought at Ojuelegba market!

tctrills:
All these you wrote are not the point. In less than a month, we would see if your friend Zelensky has made the best decision for his county.
It will not take time to see the result and to know whether he is an arrogant fool or a wise leader. No need to argue endlessly.

You said LESS than a month!

Will you call me then?

Then we can talk.


Russia is actually in a big shit too but you seem not to know because Russia is at least 8 time bigger in every respect than Ukraine

tctrills:
All the best to Zelensky, let's see what he gets.
Let's have this discussion in few weeks time after he has gotten all he wants.

I am sorry for US-EU relation!

Russia too is loosing big in this war!
Except Trump is ready to bail out Russia.

What I see is that EU will step up aid to Ukraine. It will not be enough, but it will help Ukraine to continue to bleed out Russia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3RFzX4AW4

Unfortunately, it could even escalate.

If North Korea can join the war without consequence, what stops UK or Germany joining this war?

If Ukraine is sacrificed, I bet it with you than in 14 months latest, China will invade Taiwan.

EU members will stand to watch Trump at this time.

Bye-bye also to NATO as a formidable force, thanks to Trump child-bully tactics!

Highnesscfr2030:
High Chief Emmanuel Uduaghan, Senator Natasha Akpoti Husband , the Alema of Warri Kingdom Speaks

I personally met with the Senate President and respectfully urged him to extend the courtesy and respect my wife deserves, while also honoring the friendship between us. We reached an understanding and agreed to resolve the issue amicably.

This man has intelligently indicted Akpabio.

1. He has spoken with Akpabio on this matter
2. He expected the matter to have died as matured men
3. Unfortunately, the matter hasn't died because of Akpabio
4. He is behind his wife's defence.




If the two men have actually spoken about this, then Akpabio is GUILTY as charged!

tctrills:
Explain what you mean by security guarantee?
Are you asking the US to promise to fight Russia on your behalf if Russia starts the war again?
Why will the US promise WW3 on behalf of Ukraine.
The biggest guarantee Zelensky can expect is the mineral deal agreement. If the US financial interest is involved, that is guarantee enough.
But the US promising to fight on behalf of Ukraine would even make Russia less likely to negotiate.

What does Ukraine want
A Robust Security Guarantees that after the negotiations, Russia will not invade Ukraine again.

Security guarantees are too easy: Any one of these FOUR would have been sufficient
1. Ukraine accepted into NATO
2. Trigger to activate Ukraine joining NATO if and only if Russia attempts another invasion
3. Robust foreign Army in Ukraine for Peace keeping
4. Arming Ukraine to the Teeth with weapons as deterrents to invasion from Russia


Any one that is accepted will work

What Trump is suggesting is that after Ukraine's capitulation, from their remaining land not taken by Russia, they will still owe USA $500billion aside USA owning 50% of the proceeds of the rare earth minerals in Ukraine indefinitely with ZERO security guarantee


Zelensky said NO to these terms and he formulated a more balanced trade agreement and this was to be signed in the White House.

Unknown to Zelensky, Trump was not ready to sign the new deal and their plan was to insist on their initial plan and humiliate him if he refuses.




If you were the President of Ukraine, will you sign Trump's deal and what will your country gain from it?

Krismas:
Then, where did Russia ask for unconditional capitulation of Ukraine?

Check Russia's conditions in 2022/23

EXOUSIAng:
What reality am I out of touch with.
Did you read anywhere in my comment where I said he doesn't have the support of the Ukrainians.
Some of you are just daft.
You can't comprehend basic sentences but you want to respond...
Where did I say he doesn't have the support of the Ukrainians?
Don't be mentioning me with your empty skull.
Says I am not in touch.
E be like say your brain dey touch

Your daftness is exceeded only by your ignorance!

tctrills:
You were going round in circles.
Let's be honest there are only 3 possible options here.
1. Russia gives up the captured land for peace

Ukraine already stated that it may be impossible to get back all their land from Putin

tctrills:
2. Ukraine accept to leave the lands occupied by Russia for peace

Same as 1. Zelensky already stated that months ago

tctrills:
3. The war continues without end.

Both Zelensky and Putin want the war to end. You can check their speeches online

tctrills:
We know no 1 cannot happen so you choose, which you prefer. Be practical and honest to yourself.

Ukraine is only asking for a Security Guarantee that this war will not start again after a few years after this negotiation.


Is this too much to ask?

EXOUSIAng:
Trump should take it easy on this idiot abeg.
Na the Ukrainians I pity.
When they elected a comedian for president they didn't know things will get this funny

Zelensky's approval rating in Ukraine says otherwise dude.

You are out of touch with reality!

tctrills:
You are right. Ukraine must not stop fighting until Russia is destroyed.

This is what YOU chose to hear: I never implied this

You couldn't answery question as usual!!

tctrills:
What's your point exactly? You want the war to continue forever?

No!

1. I want the war to end in such a way that it wouldn't repeat itself right year down the line like
A. The failure of the Budapest agreement
B. The failure of the Minsk 1&2 agreement

2. I want a just ending to the war where any strong nation like America or China cannot just annex Nigeria or Cameroon just because they can do so militarily


Is the way out for you and unconditional capitulation of Ukraine with ZERO security guarantees?

Krismas:
LIES
1. Minsk and Istanbul agreements prior, were never unconditional capitulation for Ukraine.
2. All the four oblasts have not even been completely overtaken by Russia. Battle line is merely required to freeze along points of hostility, which is to become the new border
3. That was the old agreement.
4. Ukraine can join EU but not NATO
5. No such request ever made by Russia.
6. Lies. With Donbas gone, Russian language, Church or Culture is no longer necessary in Ukraine.

b. What Zelensky wants is for NATO going to war with Russia.

1. Russia nukes Ukraine
2. Russia nukes Ukraine
3. Foreign troops unacceptable to Russia.
4. 500billion USD already spent to arm Ukraine to no avail

What happens if Ukraine breaks the agreement? No one talks about dat?
They are the ones who broke Minsk, not Russia

If u make nuke Russia will nuke u
Taiwan does not exist
Japan does not need American security

Like a broken record you just went off tangent to spew off your pre-recorded narration!

Where did you see Minsk agreement anywhere in my post?

fxexperts:
Now you just stated your problem, you are only concerned about your belle right, hungry greedy mofo.

for how long is the question, maybe 6 months, then of what use.

You are right every country should be tolling this path by now.

Hope you gave the enmey your wife, children and everything you won too. ode.

Unfortunately, Trump doesn't want Ukraine speaking of any guarantee. He thinks a just peace is the unconditional capitulation of Ukraine with USA also smiling to the bank by a stupidly granted concession to rare earth minerals by Ukraine

Expanse2020:
I can see where your problem is..
When you can differentiate between the initial custom and the law that replace it.
Toor.
May you get well soon

The question is Mr Muslim, show us the replacement by Allah

Expanse2020:
You need to see the doctor alaye....

Allah's words are in the Qur'an or from the mouth of your prophet!

Where is the better or similar verse did Allah replace the original verse with?

Except
1. It is another error in the Qur'an
2. Another lie in the Qur'an
3. Another error in Islam

tctrills:
What is wrong with you? How is it betrayer if the US stops given their money and weapons to Ukraine. Someone has already given you hundreds of billions yet you accuse him of betrayal when he stops given you money? You are wicked and ungrateful.

Sorry,
According to Trump, was the military support a gift!?


Have you noticed how USA has suddenly become the next good thing since fried rice since Trump?

Have you noticed how NATO is no more the enemy of the great Russia?

It shows exactly how you think!

Expanse2020:
If your brain is working perfectly you should see what I highlighted for you in the same tafseer

What better or similar verse did Allah replace it with?

tctrills:
It's ok, continue fighting. Let's see how it will end.
I am sure his actions will make Ukraine win the war in no time.

You think it is about Ukraine winning the war !?

Sorry to disappoint you!

Ukraine is fighting to defend themselves against a very strong bully.

Even if they lost, it is due to nothing else than BETRAYAL from an USA

MERCHANDISER:
The War must end one way or the other...
I live in east Europe close to Ukraine...Most Ukrainians are already tired of the war.

Zelenzky should negotiate directly with Putin.Thats the only solution.

Unfortunately, the first thing is to review what Putin wants
1. Unconditional capitulation of Ukraine
2. Formal recognition of annexation of all the four Ukrainian oblasts including Crimea by Russia
3. Ukraine to limit it's army to a maximum of 50,000 and dismantling of any long range weapon
4. Formal rejection of ever joining NATO or EU
5. Surrender of the Political leadership of Ukraine permanently to Russia
6. Adoption of Russian language and culture back to Ukraine

What does Ukraine want
A Robust Security Guarantees that after the negotiations, Russia will not invade Ukraine again.

Security guarantees are too easy.
1. Ukraine accepted into NATO
2. Trigger to activate Ukraine joining NATO if and only if Russia attempts another invasion
3. Robust foreign Army in Ukraine for Peace keeping
4. Arming Ukraine to the Teeth with weapons as deterrents to invasion from Russia


Anyone of these would have worked. But to say no guarantees is to cause another war in future .





If I were Zelensky, I will order my scientists to start work on testing out Ukrainian made Nukes within the next two years


If ai was Taiwan, I will be thinking of negotiating with China!

If I was Japan, I will assume I have no friend in USA

epainos:
Lol. Why don't you give such guarantee if e dey pain you like this?

So, you want the US to stand as a guarantee for another country. That if Russia should attack again, they will attack Russia. Are you serious? You called almost 200billliin usd nothing..you are funny. I would do same bro. Sebi him get resources to use. Trump is saying the cost we will go into it with him is $500billion if he wants to say he is stubborn. But he can't do it. So, screw him. Do you know what $200b is? More than the gdp of some nations. Are you serious?

If the whole of Ukraine is saying they are a sovereign nation...is their worth only $300b they cannot put such forward in addition to the $500 they habe collected? Nope.. he doesn't want to do it. Do you think Trump won't provide him bombs to shell Moscow if he gives him what he wants? He's taking $200B already. So, pay another $300B to be rest assured you can go on for another 4 years and give me my previous $200B...shikena. How is he cheating him? Yet, Zelensky has it but doesn't want to release it. Lol. You think if he releases it Trump is going to send Putin papa? Dey play.

Let me go back to what I stated earlier. Get your money. Period. If Ukraine had its money to fight, and Russia tried rubbish the first time, and it attacked Russia...would Russia return? Ok. Let say it is even now...if Zelensky has his money, would he even bother to go to Washington?

You are funny. The case is like this. You are fighting your neighbor who you know better than me. And that neighbor is shelling you badly. I decided to help you confront the neighbour but there is violent in the neighborhood. Na you dey pay me or feed me to come demand that I should be your guarantee that your neighbor will not attack you again? Just imagine what you are saying. I would simply withdraw everything and let's see how you can move ahead na. Just exactly what Trump has done. Does it mean I am supporting Trump? Nope. But it is their money...not mine, not yours, and not Zelensky's. OK. You should go and give him such guarantee na.

Do you think there will be world war III the way things are going presently? No way. Russia will crush Ukraine and there is nothing anyone can do as long as the EU has shown that they are useless. Period!

Go and give him such guarantee na since Trump has refused. Go.

We are telling you the truth here. Money talks. If Zelensky offers the US billions to buy weapons, do you think they will not sell? If the US does not want to sell, the EU will sell. But the nation has no money to spend. So, you should go and guarantee him that Russia will not attack again. You should go.

ICC and other international law enforcement things go after those they can rough handle. If the US decides to shell Delmark and Grenland today, do you think anyone can do them anything? You can do them something if forces like Russia and China put money together to fight them, but it's their money. If they don't want to spend their money on the fight of another nation, so be it. And you dey ginger like say the US must give such guarantee. Lol. Even after providing about 200 billion usd, you still want them to give guarantee. Meaning, they will spend more and more if Russia attacks again. Na dem fight? Jeez!

My comment still doesn't mean I support Trump the way he goes about it cos there could be better ways. But this is the reality. So, tell the UK. France, and Germany to take over from where the US stops na. Or when dem suppose boycott Russia's income and stop buy their oil...did they do it? Cos they can't. They cannot. So, let's be guided.

Guarantee my as.s.

I can see why it doesn't make sense to you that a nation who gave up her nukes should insist on a guarantee for a lasting peace!
Birds of the same feathers, flock together they say!

MERCHANDISER:
Biden is Ukrainian asset?

Give it to Zelensky, he represented Ukraine extremely well. A man of steel and iron balls that would not bow down and submit to tyrants.

If indeed Biden is a Ukrainian asset, Ukraine must be either extremely witty and intelligent to pull it off.
Give it then to Zelensky who facilitated how a US president became a Ukrainian asset!

tctrills:
I think you are confused. The only arrogant person yesterday was your man Zeelensky.
He was a guest of the white house yet he chose to make a spectacle in front of the media. He showed no respect for his host and he is not ready for peace.

He should have kept quiet like a mumu isn't it.

Then you folks would still have come out to say that Zelensky is a clown who doesn't know what he was doing in the white house.

Trump is a Russian asset!
I do not know who did the jazz for Putin as the charm is working extremely well.

epainos:
It is not yet over if Zelensky is smart
Zelensky should have gotten the signal that Trump isn't ready to spend a pence on any war without getting much more back. Israel paid the US big time for the missiles they bought. If Ukriane is also paying Trump billions, I am sure he will blast Putin, welcome Zelensky very well like he honored Natenyahu. But Zelensky still went ahead to persuade them to give him more fund to keep fighting. That's not wise.

This war isn't over yet as the next face is 100% politics and diplomacy. If I were Zelensky, I would meet with the EU as soon as possible to see if I could still use their financial support to quickly negotiate a cease-fire, and more importantly, to hold elections so that he could run for another term or fix his man there. The next election should be his concern to shut up most critics since he doesn't have his own money to keep fighting. One year preparation should be announced fast. He is buying 1 year to quickly write his legacy rather have it rubbished. Believe me, Moscow will stop everything cos they also will want to participate so as to install their own. Zelensky should use this strategy to buy time for him to save his integrity instead of being disgraced. EU will rally round him to fight the next war which is now internally and fully politically.

Zelensky might even get away without negotiating with Russia if he quickly organises an election. Moscow definitely will welcome the idea because they will want to eject him finally, and Zelensky can outsmart them and win or put his own there. And if he doesn't still win, he should move quietly out of Ukraine a man who refused to back down, but lost an election honorably. The next president can do whatsoever he pleases while he spends his life in EU with his honor intact and still pressing buttons as one of Ukriane's hero..rather than allow Trump mess him up. I don't even know maybe it's Biden that messed him up by providing him too much. Can't say.

Personally, I think the argument should have been done indoor, and then, all parties can just pretend with whatever they want to tell the press. Or maybe, Zelensky could even boycott the press to show his annoyance. I can easily say I dont support Trump and his vice for this, but who knows what Zelensky had pulled indoor initially? The other issue...this boy called Vance needs to be careful cos na so Pence did his "gra gra" with Trump, and they fell out with each other later. This boy has just started his career and is lucky to be the US VP, and Trump is already rounding up. This boy will just allow himself to be hated.

Well, he has fought a good fight, but we must learn from this issue. Get your money, if not, you will be talked down even in your family meetings. Get your money. And if you are temporarily getting help, avoid anything called argument or confrontation with sources you are getting help from. As soon as you see 'sh.ts coming your way, quickly change direction.

Zelensky needs to act fast and smart. It is not yet over.

There was nothing Zelensky could have done with Trump or his vice president to change Anything. Trump had decided his outcome even before he became the president.

What does Trump want?
1. A total capitulation of Ukraine for Russia because, he sees the war with China within the next five years to worry about. He doesn't want to fight a combination of Russia and China.
2. In the process of capitulation of Ukraine, Trump want to recoup everything America ever spent on Ukraine and more, hence his over inflated spending of $500billion and $350billion when in actuality, what was spent was about $150billion.
3. It is easier to break Ukraine than Russia, thus, for bragging rights to have ended two wars at his instance, Ukraine needed to be sacrificed.

What does Zelensky want?
Zelensky only wanted ONE thing: Security Guarantees

The argument of Zelensky is that IF
1. Russia violated the Budapest agreement and
2. Russia violated the Minsk agreement.
What will prevent them from Violating this new Peace Deal

Can USA stand as a guarantor for this new Peace Agreement to settle this war?

The problem is that Trump vehemently refuse to offer ANY.

othermen:
Trump’s position is that the continued conflict is unsustainable. He talks about the lives that are lost and all the irreparable damages. Trump’s position is that compromise is a necessity.

Zelenskyy wants outright victory. That Putin gets the Gaddafi treatment. And Russia becomes subordinated to Europe, with their weapons and army all disbanded as was done with Germany after WW II. This is the only way Ukraine sovereignty is guaranteed.

Trump don’t see how this is possible without a full blown war in Europe and perhaps, in the world. Trump thinks a better route is diplomacy. Zelenskyy sees Trump as a direct obstacle to this goal.

Zelenskyy’s rhetoric is not dumb. His body language, his positions may be intended at actively driving a wedge between himself and the US.
It is some strategic maneuvering. It’s calculated.

Zelenskyy could sever ties with the US, in the hope that this pushes Europe into assuming greater responsibility for the war effort.

European leaders already signaled they also desire the end of Putin. But rhetorics and actions are different things.

And Zelenskyy might be overplaying his hand in appealing to Europe’s fraught ego.

The EU is an organization that is willing to use Ukraine as a pawn in their effort to increase members commitment and become an actual dominant power. In reframing the US as an unreliable ally, alliances are reshaped that benefits the EU tangibly.

But the EU might be overplaying its hand.

In all, there are pawns, knights, rooks, bishops, kings and queens. As you read, people are dying in the war.

Zelensky only wanted ONE thing: Security Guarantees

The problem is that Trump vehemently refuse to offer ANY.

The argument of Zelensky is that
1. Russia violated the Budapest agreement
2. Russia violated the Minsk agreement.

Can USA stand as a guarantor for this new Peace Agreement to settle this war?



Is this too much to ask or you think the Capitulation of Ukraine will solve this problem?