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LegalWolf:
LOL! Potential thief!

cc: TenQ

This is your best!?
LOL!

LegalWolf:
LOL! 'Nemesis' that is a potential thief.... What exactly is your point for one to avoid?

This is your best punch!?
LOL!

Islam is a big fat scam!

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ

I think Nairaland BOT is in love with me. They just keep banning me for reasons that do not make sense. And I think one think one thing this forum can work on is an appeal procedure. When you get banned by a BOT, there should be an avenue for that to reviewed. I gave a detailed response to this post before I got banned and do not have the strength and time to detail it again.

That said, and from all the dodgings so far, this is the substance of our conversation:

1. Atonement of sin in Judaism - progenitor of your faith - could be done by sacrifice of animals. I will call this Jewish understanding of sin.

2. However, there is NO where in Judaism which recognizes that Atonement can be done by sacrifice of humans.

3. Christianity rests on the sacrifice of 'Jesus' for atonement, something fundamentally different from Judaism understanding of sin . I will call this christian understanding of sin.

4. Jesus is human according to your bible and reason . Your bible contains three inherently contradictory genealogies of Jesus. Or is it spirits or gods that have geneologies?

5. One more point - you made reference to suffering servant verses in Isiah 53 to buttress Christian's understanding of sins. But Jews disagree (I would have posted links but im afraid I may get banned again) that Isiah talks about atonement. In fact, they believe the entire servant songs talks to 'IsraEL' as a nation and not about one Messiah dying for their sins. Now I ask you: why should we take Christian understanding above Jewish understanding here. Just one logical explanation from you will help, please

6.Conclusively, you have not demonstrated WHY any sane human human should believe the Christian understanding of sin above jewish understanding. So again, to the very fundamental question - WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THAT CHRISTIAN UNDERSTANDING OF SIN IS CORRECT??






I intend my comment above to be my submission. However, I needed to respon to the underlined for posterity sake. Which 'twisted' narrative am I forcing on you? To the contrary, you are the thug attempting to force your whack understanding of faith on others. Or what am I missing?



See above!

I've been waiting for this so that I can serve you exactly your response to my questions.

Quoting your kind of response:
I still fail to the reason for these questions


LOL!

LegalWolf:
Lol! They know.

cc: potential thief TenQ

Ah, they know !?
I didn't know that! LOL!!

Respond to your Nemesis if you DARE and stop your AVOIDANCE strategy!

LegalWolf:
You think these folks don't know brother?

cc: potential thief TenQ

No, they don't know brother!
LOL!

Of course, Allah doesn't have a Son, he only has three daughters!

AntiChristian:
Secondly, this part of the satanic verses proposed by Salman Rushdie and Ibn Katheer and other have condemned it as false.

There is no saheeh isnaad (i.e chain of transmission) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning this report, which says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) “recited Soorat al-Najm to the mushrikeen until he reached the verses (interpretation of the meaning) ‘Have you then considered Al-Laat, and Al-‘Uzzaa (two idols of the pagan Arabs),And Manaat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?’ [al-Najm 53:19-20 – interpretation of the meaning]. Then the Shaytaan put words into the mouth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said: ‘they are the exalted gharaneeq, whose intercession is to be hoped for.’ The kuffaar were pleased with this praise of their three idols, so they prostrated.”

This report is undoubtedly false on a number of counts.

1.Its isnaad is very weak and is not saheeh.

2.The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was infallible with regard to the conveying of his Message.

3.Even if this report was saheeh, for argument’s sake, the scholars have stated that it is to be understood as meaning that the Shaytaan caused the kuffaar to hear these words, not that he put them in the mouth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so they heard them from him.

See Ibn Katheer’s refutation of this in his tafseer of Soorat al-Hajj 22:52.
And Allaah knows best.

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I can understand that as Muslims, it is natural that you want to distance yourselves from this embarrassing history, unfortunately it's not up to you or me or what you would have loved the history to read.

The claim of lack of chain of narrators is extremely weak.

1. Since when do we require chains of narrations for Tafsirs?
2. Are you insinuating that Al-Jalalayn is a LIAR who fabricated the stories?
3. Are you disregarding The books of Occasions of Revelations of Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi as a FRAUD?
4. Can you explain how Al-Jalalayn and Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi seem to totally agree with the historical perspective of Qur'an 22:52

Knowing Muslims, if Al-Jalalayn or Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi wrote this kind of EVIL against the greatest prophet in the Universe, they would have been slaughtered!

Can you justify why Muslims still use their books of commentaries of the Qur'an if they contain such a monstrous audacious allegation against Mohammed?

Thank you

AntiChristian:
Checking the Qur'anic context of Qur'an 53:19-23

Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs)
And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?
Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
That indeed is a division most unfair!
They are but names which you have named - you and your fathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

From the above colored text every one of your lies fall down flat!

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Thank you for at least showing up in defence of Islam. May Allah reward your piousness! Amin!!

First, your coloured highlight doesn't explain WHY Mohammed bowed down to the three daughters of Allah?

Secondly, there is NOT one early Islamic Scholar that disagree with Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi nor Al-Jalalayn.

Thirdly, your highlight doesn't explain why Allah will remove whatever satan manage to put inside the Qur'an.

Finally, I gave you two solid Islamic references.

Are you saying that
1. The books of Occasions of Revelations (of Quran 22:52) by Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
AND
2. Tafsir from Al-Jalalayn on Qur'an 22:52

Are both telling lies?
These two are undeniable Islamic scholars aren't they?

You may wish to respond to these sir.

Dtruthspeaker:
We are waiting.

I guess this is too hard for them.

How long will they keep on whitewashing a sepulchre?
How long will they keep on duck taping unfixable cracks?

NairaLTQ:
I just checked up the references from the internet. This is amazing. I wonder what AntiChristian and Lukuluku69 say about this.
Is it that Muslims don't know this?

Of course the references are from authentic Islamic sources. Muslims cannot deny it.

They can only feebly try to justify it. I won't be surprised is none of them show up

Good morning bro!

References:
1. The books of Occasions of Revelations (of Quran 22:52) by Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
(Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee…) [22:52]. The commentators of the Qur'an said: “When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, saw that his people were shunning him, he was aggrieved by their rejection of the message he brought them and he secretly wished that Allah, exalted is He, reveals something to him which would bring him and his people closer to each other , keen as he was to see them accept faith. One day, he sat in one of the congregations of Quraysh which attracted a huge number of its members, and he wished that Allah, exalted is He, does not reveal to him on that day anything that might repel them from him. Allah, exalted is He, revealed to him then Surah al-Najm (By the star when it stetteth…) [Surah 53]. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, recited it but when he reached (Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza, and Manat, the third, the other) [53:19-20], the devil put on his tongue what he had secretly wished and hoped for and said: 'These are the mighty cranes (gharaniq) and their intercession is hoped for'. When the Quraysh heard this, they were very pleased. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, carried on reciting until the end of the Surah and then prostratedb. All the Muslims followed suit and prostrated, and all the idolaters who were present prostrated too. All those who were present, whether Muslim or disbeliever, prostrated except al-Walid ibn al-Mughirah and Abu Uhyahah Sa'id ibn al-'As who were too advanced in age and could not prostrate, but they both grabbed a handful of dust and put their foreheads on it. The Quraysh then dispersed, happy with what they heard. They said: 'Muhammad has mentioned our idols with complimentary terms. We know that Allah gives life and takes it away, He creates and provides sustenance, but these idols of ours will intercede for us with Him. Now that Muhammad has associated them, we are all with him'. That evening, Gabriel, peace be upon him, went to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, and said: 'What have you done? You recited to people that which I did not bring from Allah, glorified is He, and you said what I did not say to you'.



2. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn on Qur'an 22:52
And We did not send before you any messenger rasūl — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet nabī — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited the scripture Satan cast into his recitation what is not from the Qur’ān but which those to whom he the prophet had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet s had during an assembly of the men of Quraysh after reciting the following verses from sūrat al-Najm Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt the third one? 5319-20 added as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his the Prophet’s being aware of it the following words ‘those are the high-flying cranes al-gharānīq al-‘ulā and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’ and so they the men of Quraysh were thereby delighted. Gabriel however later informed him the Prophet of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was subsequently comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured of God’s pleasure thereat God abrogates nullifies whatever Satan had cast then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned Wise in His enabling him Satan to do such things for He does whatever He will.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn, trans. Feras Hamza
© 2021 Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, Amman, Jordan (http://www.aalalbayt.org)

Mohammed, Jubril and satan: How Was There A Mix-up?


Do not be One who says to himself:
"Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind"!


Qur'an 22:52
Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:

This verse may be confusing until you go to the Tafsirs for the reason for the verse, it's explanation and interpretations.

A little History:
When Mohammed saw that his people were shunning him, he was aggrieved by their rejection of the message (of Islam) he brought them and he secretly wished that Allah reveals something to him which would bring him and his people closer to each other,

In summary:
1. Mohammed thus went to an assembly of the pagan Quraysh people to convince them for Islam.

2. Mohammed recited Surat al-Najm to them and Satan made him insert the following words with the Qur'an
"Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā ? And Manāt the third one? Those are the high-flying cranes and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for."
Note:
Lat, Uzza and Manat are the names of the three daughters of Allah
3. Mohammed continued reciting the Surah until the end then prostrated to the three idols and the Muslims with him also prostrated: the Quraysh idolaters also prostrated too

4. All who were present there prostrated in worship to the three daughters of Allah except Al-Walid Ibn Al-Mughirah and Abu Uhyahah Sa'id ibn Al-As (who was too old to prostrate). However, they both grabbed a handful of dust and put their foreheads on it.

5. The men of Quraysh were thereby delighted that Mohammed recognised their idols (the three daughters of Allah) and they were pleased with him as he not only recognised these idols, he worshipped with them.

6. Later Jubril came to him to correct Mohammed and explain that it was satan who inserted those words in his mouth.

7. Mohammed was then assured by Allah that he will abrogates/nullifies whatever Satan had cast into the the Qur'an as his revelations.

We can see the commentary from at least two different Tafsirs of Qur'an 22:52
1. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn on Qur'an 22:52
2. The books of Occasions of Revelations (of Quran 22:52) by Ali ibn Ahmad al-Wahidi (d. 1075 CE). Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi



My Questions:
1. Since it is obvious that Mohammed COULD NOT distinguish between Jubril and Satan, how are we sure that satan is not the one who revealed Qur'an 22:52?
2. Is there in Existence any other prophet or Messanger of God in history whose words from God had satan insertions in the words into their scripture?
3. How come Mohammed was so gullible as to believe that Allah has three daughters who intercession is to be desired if it is NOT true that Allah indeed has three daughters?
4. How come Mohammed didn't know that the insertion was not from Allah UNTIL Jubril came to correct it?


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zoer:
You didn't ans the Tenq ànd you are changing the topic...is it that what he said is true?...I now believe you guys know Islam is fake but just want to defend it at all cost...

Don't mind him.
He knows that the standard Islamic narratives are full of holes, thus his best tactics is to divert topic and argue over nothing in particular.


The Muslims general mantra is:
"Don't confuse me with the truth because I have already made up my mind"!

LegalWolf:
Lol! You keep rambling unintelligently. Please be coherent.

The caps! OMG TenQ!!! This is the reason I call you a future thief. Please go back and read your post I responded to.

Lol. No one is disputing this with you. What I’m asking you is to tell us in Judaism where the atonement of sun is through sacrifice of a human being. Shikena! All your grammar doesn’t speak to the issue.

Since you are not disputing with me on Atonement, then you've lost all grounds of your argument for the core of the issue is atonement for sin

Just show me a place where it says ANY,/ALL living things can be used for sin sacrifice, shikenan!
Since you also failed to comprehend that ONLY God determines what he would accept for sin offering, your case is irrevocably nonsensical

LegalWolf:
You’re not talking to your congregants who have no functional brain. The question was not whether Muslims believe Jesus died on the cross or not. Rather, I’m asking for clear unambiguous biblical texts of the OT which says the death of Messiah/God/etc. would atone for humanity’s sins.

You quoted the suffering servant verse in Isiah. This has nothing to do with the historicity of Jesus being killed. You used in the context of salvation. And I asked you that Jews understand that verse differently from Christians. I ABSOLUTELY believe Jewish version, then I ask: why should I believe yours?

Since you delight in endlessly rambling around, I oblige you t same wise waste your time.

You cannot show me that Islam and Judaism (both acclaimed Abrahamic religions) must agree, yet you choose to force your own twisted narrative on me. SMH! Please continue. Once you show me the perfect agreement of Islam with Judaism, I'll likewise show you anything you desire.

You can start here:
-Who was Abraham instructed to sacrifice, Isaac or Ishmael?
-Where is Atonement is sin in Islam as it is in Judaism?

LegalWolf:
Lol. According to Islam - Jesus is like a man like Legalwolf. But you’re the one claiming Jesus is not a descendant of Adam. TenQ these are your words not mine …. do you want to forge lies again ? 🙆‍♀️

So how on earth would you claim Jesus is not a descendant of Adam if YOUR BIBLE contains at least three contradictory genealogies of Jesus. Or is it spirits that have genealogies? 🤣🤣

I want to assume that you agree with me that Mary is a descendant of Adam and she’s also the mother of Jesus. So how would you say he’s not a descendant of Adam? Or can one descend from father alone? Ehn TenQ? Lol!

According to Islam, is Jesus a descendant of Adam?

LegalWolf:
I still fail to the reason for these questions

To respond to simple questions is now a massive problem for you!
What ever you mean by this!?

For the last time, will you now answer my Questions !?
1. Do you agree that the Hadiths presented in these post are true hadiths?
2. Do you agree that Allah has destined the number of Adultery a man should commit and there is no escaping from it?
3. Do you agree that Allah delights in SINNERS who will ask for forgiveness rather than a man who will NOT commit sin?

LegalWolf:
Lol! I rate imb.eciles ahead of you folks. Simple question and no cogent answer!
Lol!
Misrepresent Islam? What do you mean?
(underline mine)

Read my original post again: what are the ways in which it didn't represent Islam?

LegalWolf:
Lol. There’s no Christian version of sin, but you went ahead to discuss “original sin”…isn’t it?

Let me break it down for you. “Salvation” - one of the ultimate messages of Christianity - has a conception of sin that is unique to your religion. This is called “original sin”. You and I agree that original sin is unfounded in Judaism, the religion Christ followed to the latter.

So, pray mr TenQ, why we should believe Christianity’s concept of original sin when IT IS NOT founded in Judaism.
Not a single text that you quoted tells us that every single one of us has committed an original sin and we need the blood of messiah to atone for us. None whatsoever! Lol

I didn't even remotely mention anything about ORIGINAL SIN! Where did you read that?

I mentioned the fact that in Judaism, the solution to the problem of SIN is Atonement through sacrifice!
SMH!!

LegalWolf:
Jews disagree with you folks on the suffering servant text you quoted (and I agree with them).So tell us why we should believe your own interpretation. Are you aware of their reasons?

No single text of the OT to support this. So why should we believe you?

Exactly like Muslims refused to believe that Jesus died on the cross!
Since the Jews claimed to have killed the Messiah contrary to your religion, does it infer that you are wrong?

How Muslims think is so amazing!

LegalWolf:
You’ll eventually deny Christ. Mark, Matthew and Luke gave three contradictory genealogies of Jesus. Is it spirit that have genealogies?

Again, you and I agree that Mary is the mother of Christ. Is Mary not Adam descendant?

According to Islam, who is the Father of Jesus?
Who impregnated Mary (who blew something into Mary's Vagina)?

So will you now answer me!?
1. Do you agree that the Hadiths presented in these post are true hadiths?
2. Do you agree that Allah has destined the number of Adultery a man should commit and there is no escaping from it?
3. Do you agree that Allah delights in SINNERS who will ask for forgiveness rather than a man who will NOT commit sin?

I just asked some simple question, I did not compare man with Allah in anyway. But then so that you know that that cliche from your standard Islamic narratives has holes, I'll prove the comparison of Allah to you.

1. Didn't Allah compare himself to man in Qur'an 6:101. Only humans need girlfriends!
2. Didn't Allah compare himself with Baal in Qur'an 37:125. Is Baal not an idol?
3. Didn't Mohammed compare Allah with the Da'jjal in Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4320. Is the Da'jjal not a man?

Encyclopedia1:
You and I know we can’t compare man to God.
And also the Bible says, the foolishness of God is …….

My Questions again

1. Are you concurring that Allah created us humans for the purpose of sinning against him?

I asked you some simple non-islamic questions
My non-Islamic Questions:
2. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!
3. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?


Can you thus respond to theses
4. What can a human being do to UNDO his sin against God?
5. Are you agreeing that Allah created us to sin against him so that we can ask for forgiveness according to Sahih Muslim 2749

Encyclopedia1:
Allah is will forgive sins so far you ask. What’s the essence of our existence if not to sin and ask form forgiveness? Mind you, he will not forgive “all” sins if u don’t ask.

Are you concurring that Allah created us humans for the purpose of sinning against him?

I asked you some simple non-islamic questions
My non-Islamic Questions:
1. "How serious is it for a person to Slap the President of North Korea during his National Broadcast?"
I guess it's not worth a death sentence, after all it's an ordinary slap not assassination attempt!
2. How can this person above UNDO his Crime of slapping the President of North Korea?


Can you thus respond to theses
1. What can a human being do to UNDO his sin against God?
2. Are you agreeing that Allah created us to sin against him so that we can ask for forgiveness according to Sahih Muslim 2749

First,
Can you respond to these questions?

1. Do you agree that the Hadiths presented in these post are true hadiths?
2. Do you agree that Allah has destined the number of Adultery a man should commit and there is no escaping from it?
3. Do you agree that Allah delights in SINNERS who will ask for forgiveness rather than a man who will NOT commit sin?

4. Therefore, In what way has this my post misrepresented Islam?

LegalWolf:
Just two quick questions:

1. Tell us why the Christian version of sin is the “correct” version.

There is no Christian version of the definition of SIN.
Sin is missing the Mark God designed for us to make. Take it to the moon, it remains unchanged!
All Unrighteousness and all Violation of God's Rule for man is SIN!


Even though Islam does not understand the GRAVITY of Sin, Is Islamic definition of sin different from this?

LegalWolf:
2. It is indisputable that Judaism is a progenitor of Christianity right? And even Jesus was a Jew…if that js correct, please give us a logical explanation on WHY we should take a latter view (christianity) of sin from that of its predecessor (Judaism)? . After all, judaism does not believe in the human sacrifice of salvation you folks hang on.

We are waiting…

1. Unfortunately for you, the ordinance for sin is from the Torah: to avoid the penalty or Consequence of Sin is that a sacrifice for sin is presented.


Exo 30:10:
"And Aaron shall make an atonement on the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement on it throughout your generations: it is most holy to the LORD."

Lev 4:3:
"If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he has sinned, a young bullock without blemish to the LORD for a sin offering."

Lev 4:24:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering."

Lev 4:29:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering."

Lev 4:33:
"And he shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering."

Lev 5:7:
"And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he has committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, to the LORD; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering."

2. The Messiah was to be an Offering for the Sin of God's people
Isa 53:10:
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."


3. EVERY human being is guilty of sin. It is impossible to pay for the sin on others if you have a debt of sin to pay for yourself.

4. Jesus is NOT a descendant of Adam, is He?
Technically, even though in human flesh, Jesus is NOT Human!
John 1:1-3,10-14:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. … He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."


Jesus is SINLESS therefore he Can be

advocatejare:
You forgot to add that it was Allah that programmed Adam to commit the sin in the garden 40 years before Adam was created, yet Allah punished Adam for the sins the same Allah made him do!


Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.

Thank you so much.

Allah created Adam to commit sin: it is consistent with Destiny in Islam (40 years before Adam was created)



Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:The Prophet said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.


There is only one being whose purpose is to force people to commit sin.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
🙌

No argument intended my sister!

I do NOT hate you Muslims one single bit. In fact, I pray for you that the veil covering your eyes will be removed through the truth.

It is not about any arguement: I quoted, TWO hadiths for you, are they UNTRUE?


Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.



Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.


Are these two hadiths fabrications?

AbdulMagaji:


Catching them young!

Movies that were used to tell us that Jesus Christ was a white man

Really!?

Tell me more!

EriMma1:
Sorry . It wasn't you I wanted to ask. I was asking TenQ

Of course, I am Born Again: Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb of God the Messiah Jesus Christ who remain eternally my SAVIOUR and my LORD!

EriMma1:
Yey!! I found it.

Here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa-GsrB9W9k

Will see it after service.

Thanks!
I just found it too on YouTube, currently downloading it.

Shalom

Here is a passionate word from a person who care for you. It would be disastrous to die only to know that you've been deceived!

FxMasterz:
Amen to all the prayers.

The Taqqiya issue is in itself a sell out. What person in his right mind would profess allegiance to a god that permits you to deceive people on his behalf?

Muslims should wake up and open their eyes to see the errors of their ways. Hell isn't a sweet place. I beg my Muslim brothers and sisters to allow God reveal Himself unto them. Those that have died already have their fates sealed. There's no repentance after death. Let no one deceive you. No amount of prayers for the dead can change the fate of the dead. Once dead, the next thing is judgement.

I appeal to all Muslims out there to consider the destination of their souls much earnestly. Hel is not a sweet place.

All the lies they're telling you about Jesus Christ, Christianity and the Bible are arrows of war against your souls so that you can be completely alienated from salvation.

Jesus came only to save. He didn't come to do anything else. Find out the truth with an unbiased mind. When you meet the true God, you'll find out that He's extremely loving, patience, kind and too Holy. Please be wise and save your souls from the grip of satanic deception.

Jesus saves, and Be saves totally.

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FxMasterz:
There's a converted Muslim brother here on Nairaland called Speaklove. He has all the vivid experiences of being a Muslim. He knows how the ordinary Muslim views the gospel of salvation. He has tasted God, and has had encounters with the Holy Spirit after giving his life to Christ. I don't know why he is never at the forefront of helping his Muslim brothers come out of darkness. He's more concerned about atheists than he is about Muslims. Speaklove should wake up!

All souls are important before God. God didn't create hell for humans. He created it for Satan and fallen angels. We must strive to ensure that more souls enter heaven instead of hell.

Nice to know Brother Speaklove : I hope he is reading this too.

In spite of this, a person no only need to know Islam as a Religion, he needs to have a good understanding of the Gospel of Salvation and the ability of conveying the information to others to reach out to Muslims
Step 1:
Show Muslims the Failure and Deception of Islam
Step 2:
Answer Muslims misconceptions about the Messiah
Step 3:
Explain the Gospel of Salvation
Step 4:
Give them the opportunity to accept the Messiah's Lordship and Salvation
Step 5:
Help them to grow in Faith, Knowledge and Purity

Step 2 and 3 are the most important and they require some preparations

EriMma1:
Yeah.. I think. It's a long time now but I think it is.

I got Born again after watching this movie: do you know if it is available for download?

Maximus692:
God dwells in heaven of course He could see everything if He chooses to but presently He's not everywhere and He doesn't wish to see everything for a reason!

Where is Heaven please?
Is it a physical location?
Thanks

EriMma1:
I watched it but in the comfort of our home.

The only movies we saw lol Ike this was one other christian rapture movie where two guys were riding on a bike, had an accident and went to hell.

Another film show we watched in this form was Charley Chaplain and we sat on benches, not on bare floor

Was this movie " the Burning Hell"?

Bintdawood:
From your writeup, you are full of hate.
And In sha Allah no Muslim brother or sister will argue with you.
You need deliverance, may Allah guide you to the righteous path amin!
🚶 🚶

Thank you My sister.

I do NOT hate you Muslims one single bit. In fact, I pray for you that the veil covering your eyes will be removed through the truth.

It is not about any arguement: I quoted, TWO hadiths for you, are they UNTRUE?


Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.



Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.


Are these two hadiths fabrications?

FxMasterz:
God called them His sons and daughters but Satan told them they're his slaves and they rejoice for being Satan's slave without knowing what they're doing.

I honestly pray that GOD have mercy on their souls. If my parents were Muslims, probably me too will be a Muslim exactly like LegalWolf, Anti-christian, Lukuluku69, Empiree, Rash4ductluv, , Haekymbahd, motayoayinde OR drlateef IGNORANTLY deep in the lies and fabrications called Islam.


In Islam, they practice TWO sets of Taqqiya
1. One level of deception for themselves as Muslims
2. The other level of deception to non-Muslims

They wish that these truths will never become public because they are damaging to the religion of Islam.

They are indeed Slaves of an entity called Allah who they do NOT know!

orisa37:
NO.
HE WANTS US TO BE SAINTS.
HE WANTS US TO GRADUATE FROM SELFISHNESS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS.
THAT IS WHAT PEACE IS ALL ABOUT.
ALLAH IS GOD OF PEACE(ALLAH IS CHRIST).

I can understand that that is what you in particular desire Islam to be in relation to Allah, however, your prophet says otherwise.

However, Are the two hadiths I quoted TRUE or UNTRUE?


In Sahih Hadith Muslim 2749, Mohammed claimed that
1. Allah desires people who would be SINNERS but who would always return back to him to ask for forgiveness.
2. Allah would destroy people who choose not to commit sin

As an example, Allah has DECREED the number of Adultery you, orisa37 will commit to which you cannot escape.

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.




Unfortunately, according to Mohammed the Prophet of Islam, Allah desires that People will commit sins

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.


Are these two hadiths fabrications?

FxMasterz:
Satan mixed truth and lies together to confuse his victims. He is not easy to decipher except by the work of the Holy Spirit.

It's amazing how much dirt is under the religious books of Muslims. They have told so much lies that it is now haunting them.

Thank God for the internet, many of the lies cannot be hidden again. Unfortunately, it's about slavery of the soul and spirit rather than intellectual failure.

We shall continue to expose the hidden things while we also pray for them.

zoer:
This is huge.....is the passage you quoted in the Quran?

The passage is not the Qur'an but the hadiths.

*The Hadiths are the words of Mohammed
*The Qur'an is the supposed words of Allah
*Tafsirs are commentaries to the Qur'an.

The Hadiths referenced are both Sahih (authentic/strong) and Muslims cannot deny them.