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 Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 11:32am On Apr 06, 2023 |
I think I've made my case. Any reader will see how Islam cannot defend their faulty Qur'an. Questions: 1. What do the Arabs call the Samaritans? 2. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 3. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can Muslims tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? But as usual, I expect turning and twistings as it that will solve your massively big dilemma! Cc: LegalWolf , AntiChristian |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 10:15am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:What then is this: 2. Are you aware of the Samaritans version of their own history, which significantly differs from the account you just gave? 3. As you rightly said that Samaritan is an exonym. Does that in anyway detract from the fact that this people have been existing before other Jews gave them the name Samaritan ? 4 . Are you also aware that these people consider themselves guardians of the law and date their own presence to the time of Moses? Proof my dear proof |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 10:11am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Just answer the questions! Is the answers EMBARRASSING!? Questions: 1. What do the Arabs call the Samaritans? 2. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 3. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can LegalWolf tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? But as usual, I expect turning and twistings as it that will solve your massively big dilemma! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 10:10am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Questions: 1. What do the Arabs call the Samaritans? 2. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 3. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can LegalWolf tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? But as usual, I expect turning and twistings as it that will solve your massively big dilemma! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 10:10am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Just answer: Just prove that the Samaritans existed at the time of Moses! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 9:45am On Apr 06, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Indeed Allah is the best Deceiver! The darkness is so much that Muslims will sacrifice their lives to defend it. We can only pray for God to have mercy on them as they are being educated on deceptions of Islam |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 9:41am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:You CLAIMED with no proof! LegalWolf:Just prove that the Samaritans existed at the time of Moses! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 9:39am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Just answer the questions! Is the answers EMBARRASSING!? Questions: 1. What do the Arabs call the Samaritans? 2. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 3. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can LegalWolf tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? But as usual, I expect turning and twistings as it that will solve your massively big dilemma! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Killing Verse You Should See! What Is The Context? by TenQ: 9:35am On Apr 06, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Read from Chapter 8, was this a VISION of Ezekiel or not? SMH! Instead of defending Islam, he is playing away game. https://www.nairaland.com/7642140/divine-historical-error-samaritan I'm waiting for you! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 9:33am On Apr 06, 2023 |
[quote author=LegalWolf post=122327924][/quote]Talk is cheap bro! Back up your words with proofs! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 9:00am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:FxMasterz was your target but TenQ, your Nemesis managed to enter your post!? I gave you proofs didn't I? Please where are your proof? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:58am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:You always make my case! You'll never answer! It is embarrassing to you! Sorry, it wasn't an intentional blow from me! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:57am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Even if I give you ten years, You'll never ever have a reasonable answer dude! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:56am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Just answer the questions! Is the answers EMBARRASSING!? Questions: 1. What do the Arabs call the Samaritans? 2. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 3. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can LegalWolf tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? But as usual, I expect turning and twistings as it that will solve your massively big dilemma! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:54am On Apr 06, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:He needed authentication from Jews and Christians to be able to promote Al-Lah the Arabian Deity to the status of the only Tru God Yahweh! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Killing Verse You Should See! What Is The Context? by TenQ: 8:47am On Apr 06, 2023 |
AntiChristian:I feel honestly sorry for you. Why!? You didn't know that this was a VISION given to Prophet Ezekiel. He was merely retelling what he saw. Ezek 9:1-11: "He cried also in my ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lies toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brazen altar. And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; And the LORD said to him, Go through the middle of the city, through the middle of Jerusalem, and set a mark on the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the middle thereof. And to the others he said in my hearing, Go you after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man on whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. And he said to them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go you forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell on my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! will you destroy all the residue of Israel in your pouring out of your fury on Jerusalem? Then said he to me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD has forsaken the earth, and the LORD sees not. And as for me also, my eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way on their head. And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as you have commanded me." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:37am On Apr 06, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:I think Mohammed got his stories from several incompatible sources 1. From the Jews 2. From the Christians 3. From the Sabians 4. From Arabian Tales Etc. He got bit and pieces from all over. He only built his foundation from Judeo-Christian views. His followers are desperately trying to duck tape the obvious errors in the perfect book of Allah! His lack of historical train of sequence is evidently betrayed in his composition of the Qur'an |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 7:14am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:At least from your text in quote, you are not denying the "Samaritan" in your Qur'an. You are only contesting that this group existed probably long before Moses! I gave you proofs didn't I? Please where are your proof? 1. The issue is about History. Did Moses exist in the Qur'an and the story of the Golding calf? 2. Can you kindly give a proof that the Samaritans have any story proving that they exist at the time of Moses? 3. Just give us the History of the Samaritans and this would be put to rest. 4. Just give the history of how the Samaritans got their laws from Moses! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 7:07am On Apr 06, 2023 |
FxMasterz:I can bet it with you that he would never truthfully answer the questions. Muslim scholars way out was not to translate "the Samaritan" f om Arabic into English so that the meaning would be lost. However, I've bursted their lies from at least three different sources. Watch LegalWolf say EVERY OTHER THINGS except to answer the questions! I told you that with respect to Islam, he is as predictable as the sun! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 7:02am On Apr 06, 2023 |
FxMasterz:God never spoke directly to Mohammed, but he spoke to Alexander the Great! A religion of LiES for LIARS! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 7:02am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Do you need to? Even if I give you ten years, You'll never ever have a reasonable answer dude! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 7:01am On Apr 06, 2023 |
LegalWolf:1. What do the Arabs call the Samaritans? But as usual, I expect turning and twistings as it that will solve your massively big dilemma! Questions: 1. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 2. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can LegalWolf tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:56pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
advocatejare:Of course! Any new thing he hears, he put it inside his Qur'an. This was exactly how Alexander the Great became a Prophet of Islam! SMH!! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:45pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
Details and References One of the biggest errors in the narration of the Qur'an is the apparent lack of recourse to time, sequence and history of real events. One example is the mix-up of Mariam the Sister of Aaron and Mary the mother of Jesus . The difference in time between the two is almost 2000 years. However, the Qur'an mixes their personalities up in Qur'an 66:12 and Quran 3:35-37. This mistake is for another day's discussion. Today, we will like to discuss the Samaritans , their place in history and Allah. Crash Course: Who are the Samaritans? 1. The Samaritans split from Israel after the reign of Solomon king of Israel. The 10 tribes of Israel rebelled against Rehoboam son of Solomon because he wouldn't listen to them. 2.The Samaritans trace their origins back to the ancient Israelite tribes who inhabited the region of Samaria in the 8th century BCE, following the split of the Kingdom of Israel into the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah 3. The ten tribes of Israel were exiled by the Assyrians in the 8th century BCE, and their fate thereafter is largely unknown. The Samaritans claim descent from the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh, who were among the ten tribes exiled by the Assyrians. 4. Over time, because the only temple was in Jerusalem and it was the only place where animal sacrifice was allowed, the Samaritans developed their own religious traditions and practices which though an offshoot of Judaism, it differed from those of the Jews in significant ways. Enter Mohammed, the Qur'an and Allah: The Qur’an says that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at mount Horeb after their escape from Egypt was molded by a Samaritan. Qur'an 20:85-86, 95 85. (Allah) said: “Verily! We have tried your people in your absence, and As-Samiri (the Samaritan) has led them astray.” 86. Then Moses went back unto his folk, angry and sad. He said: O my people! Hath not your Lord promised you a fair promise? Did the time appointed then appear too long for you, or did ye wish that wrath from your Lord should come upon you, that ye broke tryst with me? 87. They said: "We broke not the promise to thee, as far as lay in our power: but we were made to carry the weight of the ornaments of the (whole) people, and we threw them (into the fire), and that was what the As-Samiri (the Samaritan) suggested. 88. "Then he brought out (of the fire) before the (people) the image of a calf: It seemed to low: so they said: This is your god, and the god of Moses, but (Moses) has forgotten!" 95. (Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri (Samaritan)?" The problem is that 1. The Samaritans did NOT exist till about 1500 years after Moses. The Samaritans came well after Solomon the king of Israel. 2. Modern Muslims recognised this problem , therefore they started mistranslating ٱلسَّامِرِىُّ (the Samaritan) as As-Samiri in English so that the Arabic meaning will remain hidden. 3a. Therefore, I first went to ChatGPT to ask the questions: What do the Arabs call 1. Samaritan 2. A person from Samaria The answer is presented in the attachment b. I then went to Google translate to ask the question: What is Samaritan in Arabic ? The answer is also presented in the attachment c. I then looked at Islamic commentary of Qur'an 20:85 by Al-Jalalayn Jalal - Al-Jalalayn But those he supposed [to be following him] had remained behind, for He, exalted be He, said, ‘Indeed We tried your people after you, that is, after your departure from them, and the Samaritan led them astray’, so they took to worshipping the [golden] calf. d. Direct Quote From Muslim English Translation of Qur'an 20:85 DR. GHALI Said He, “Yet surely We have already tempted your people even after you; (i.e., after your departure from them) and As- Samiriyy (The Samaritan) has led them into error.” Now that I have preemptively bursted the Islamic Taqqiya (deception) at least from four different sources, I can now ask them these simple questions Questions: 1. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 2. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can any Muslim tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? As usual, I call my Nairaland friends for this exciting discussion Cc: LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood 1 Like
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:30pm On Apr 05, 2023*. Modified: 9:05pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
Sorry for the lengthy post : The Qur’an says that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at mount Horeb after their escape from Egypt was molded by a Samaritan. Qur'an 20:85-86, 95 85. (Allah) said: “Verily! We have tried your people in your absence, and As-Samiri (the Samaritan) has led them astray.” 86. Then Moses went back unto his folk, angry and sad. He said: O my people! Hath not your Lord promised you a fair promise? Did the time appointed then appear too long for you, or did ye wish that wrath from your Lord should come upon you, that ye broke tryst with me? 87. They said: "We broke not the promise to thee, as far as lay in our power: but we were made to carry the weight of the ornaments of the (whole) people, and we threw them (into the fire), and that was what the As-Samiri (the Samaritan) suggested. 88. "Then he brought out (of the fire) before the (people) the image of a calf: It seemed to low: so they said: This is your god, and the god of Moses, but (Moses) has forgotten!" 95. (Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri (Samaritan)?" The problem is that The Samaritans did NOT exist till about 1500 years after Moses. The Samaritans came well after Solomon the king of Israel. Questions: 1. Could an all-knowing God make such a silly historical mistake? 2. Let's even assume the modern Islamic Taqqiya is accepted: Can any Muslim tell us who the As-Samiri are in history? As usual, I call my Nairaland friends for this exciting discussion Details and References Next page if you care: Cc: LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Divine Historical Error About The Samaritan by TenQ(op): 8:01pm On Apr 05, 2023*. Modified: 8:48pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
One of the biggest errors in the narration of the Qur'an is the apparent lack of recourse to time, sequence and history of real events. One example is the mix-up of Mariam the Sister of Aaron and Mary the mother of Jesus . The difference in time between the two is almost 2000 years. However, the Qur'an mixes their personalities up in Qur'an 66:12 and Quran 3:35-37. This mistake is for another day's discussion. Today, we will like to discuss the Samaritans , their place in history and Allah. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 1:21pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Face the OP and clear his questions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 1:19pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf:? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 12:27pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That Allah Surely Want Us To Be SINNERS!? by TenQ(op): 12:24pm On Apr 05, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:I agree with you 100% |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 11:16am On Apr 05, 2023 |
advocatejare:Muslims have said to themselves: "Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind"! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 11:13am On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Pathetic! |
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