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jaephoenix:
Lol. Your ignorance of science and logic is pathetic. Stick to religious mumbo jumbo. It suits you better

Science Major, LOL!
Let me remind you Professor jaephonix.


My Simple Question was about your comprehension of Physical Properties of Matter

TenQ:
....
Abegi Science Guru,
What Properties are not physical but measurable?
I hope your physical properties are not restricted to just mass and length?
...
Again Mr science guru,
What Properties are not physical but measurable?
...

I agree with you that I don't know how science works but at least you are terribly worse off than me.

Your Proud ignorant self responded with

jaephoenix:
2. Yes, my boy, there are non physical entities that are measurable. Examples are wind, gravity, time, microwave, Bluetooth etc. We know their properties and they can be measured

I think I'm wasting my time with you. But let me help you with something to educate you. You will find a list of physical quantities

https://www.thoughtco.com/physical-properties-of-matter-list-608342

jaephoenix:
4. Again leave the scientific arguments alone. You're clueless on how they work

Unfortunately, you are the ignorant one here. No wonder your best examples of non-physical quantities are
Examples are wind, gravity, time, microwave, Bluetooth etc.

Did you attend secondary school at all?

Please, go learn a little more. You are a time waster.

Again, to help you:
https://www.thoughtco.com/physical-properties-of-matter-list-608342

Let me help with another lecture from your eminence Professor jaephonix.

I asked you a very simple question!

TenQ:
.....
1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever?
...

You remember your response?

jaephoenix:
...
Now for your questions
1. Entropy increases as life continues. Entropy too has limitations
...

Remember my response to you?

TenQ:
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Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero.
...

It's okay I don't know any science maybe because I'm self taught. However, you seem to be like an ignorant babbler making noise like the sheep in George Orwell's book "Animal Farm"
"...Four legs good , two legs bad..."

I guess, you never read such a powerful book before, always doing cut and paste.

If you had kept quiet and learned, your gross ignorance would have been kept indoors and with time you would have aquired some knowledge.

Don't you have shame!?
If you are not, I am so ashamed for you wanabe atheist jaephoenix!

Good night.
There is no need to respond please except you are incurably shameless!

I have used exactly what you wrote: check!

LordReed:
I explained why and even simplified it so I dunno whatelse you want. You read what I said then declared that I wasn't saying no, that I was saying yes. Reread my posts giving the explanation, I am not going to repeat myself.

Your response again broken down!

Your Initial Response;
NO!

Implication:
You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!

The Question of WHY?
Should give us REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!

Your WHY you WON'T Dismiss the Experience of People who saw UFO?

LordReed:
1. Because the claims are often mundane. Someone saw something flying but they don't know what it is hence the Unidentified in the acronym.
2. That's not very much information in determining anything significant about what the person saw. It could be any number of things.

Your Summary on UFO:
1. You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs because the claims are often mundane. ....
2. You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs because there's That's not very much information in determining anything significant about what the person saw

Please check if this makes sense to you


Your WHY you WON'T Dismiss the Experience of People who experienced NDE?

LordReed:
1. As for NDEs they are also somewhat mundane claims
2. much like dreams they cannot be verified as having occurred nor is there any way to find out if they are linked to real occurances outside of what is in our reality.

Your Summary on NDE:
1. NO, You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE because they are also somewhat mundane claims
2. NO, You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE because they cannot be verified as having occurred nor is there any way to find out if they are linked to real occurrences

Can you check the logic of this as correct?


Your general comments on both NDE and UFO

LordReed:
1. So I say OK somebody saw a UFO or had an NDE, now what?

Your Summary on NDE and UFO:
NO, I WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE now what's special with that if they had such experiences (literally you said: so what!?)?

If you won't dismiss their experiences , doesn't it mean you respect the fact that their experiences may not be a hoax?
The now what statement actually trivialises their experience therefore, you probably mean YES rather than a NO!


Your conclusion:

LordReed:
1. I don't need evidence to accept that someone had an experience they didn't understand.
2. It's the attempt at understanding that requires evidence.

1. It is understandable if you DON'T need evidence to accept that someone had an experience. However, If you didn't have the experience the SUBJECT had, how can you claim they don't understand what they've experienced?

2. Attempts to comprehend the Experience is in two parts
a. The SUBJECT:
Who has the Experience: it cannot be disproved that he doesn't understand his experience since his experience is SUBJECTIVE to him except he tells you he doesn't understand his experience
2. The SKEPTIC:
Who did NOT have the experience CANNOT claim to understand anything since he never experienced the SUBJECTIVE experience UNLESS he somehow personally receives the same Subjective experience.
2. Since you don't even have this SUBJECT'S experience, how can you require



Check Again!


1. Did you give me REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!?


2. Did you explain WHY you took the position THAT you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE when you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES?




I believe this is now explicitly clear!

advocatejare:
The one obeys a command is below the one who gives the command.

It’s a pity

A prophet under the control of satan!

The initial Questions

TenQ:
Even though I don't feel responding to you, however you have used a terrible set of STRAWMAN questions. Why?
These are ALL fictitious and known examples.

How about this:
1. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL UFO sightings and experiences as a Hoax?
Note:
-You've personally never seen a UFO
-No government has shown us any clear pictures of a UFO

Your answers should be YES or NO!

2. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL NDE as Hoax?
Note:
-You've never experienced one
-Recorded Experiences seem to be slightly different
-some kind of OBE and NDE can be simulated with drugs

Your answers should be YES or NO!

This is closer to religion than your Unicorn and Mars STRAWMAN examples!

You may after stating YES or NO justify your position.

Your Initial Response

LordReed:
I'll bite.

No to both.

LordReed:
You ask why and I tell you why and you interpret it as yes? LoLz. Ok.

You said NO!

NO meaning that:
If I get you right, you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!

If you had said YES!

YES meaning that:
You WOULD unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!


Since your answer was a NO, then your response to WHY ..?
Should give us REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!
AND
Explain Why you took such a position when But you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES?

1. Did you give me REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!?


2. Did you explain WHY you took the position THAT you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE when you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES?




I believe this is now explicitly clear!

LordReed:
So it was not you who asked:

1. If your answer was An UNEQUIVOCAL NO,
Then
a. Why did you choose this position
b. Why take such position when But you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES?

2. If your answer was An UNEQUIVOCAL YES,
Then
a. Why did you choose this position
b. Why take such position when you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES?


It seem that Your response after the initial statement NO was not to strongly affirm it but to dilute or mabe even oppose your initial NO position!

jumper524:
Ireti was never the choice of the FCT people.
The Obidient movement took advantage of the people's love for Obi.
They took the FCT people for granted. The people of FCT were blinded by the Obidient crowd movement, and just like how celebrities felt betrayed on banky w, that's how the FCT locals felt on Aduda.
If election is to be reconducted again in Abuja, my friend yahaya who own a block industry would try as much as possible to denarket the labour party he once admired.
He had a positive intention of thinking obi is his candidate while Aduda of the PDP for senate, little did he know that the Obidients had an agenda of voting Eluu p from top to buttom.
Despite the voters education being melted out by the PDP in my ward, the LP party had over 300votes for presidency while having 263 for senate. The locals were betrayed, they were used and dumped by the crowd mentality.
Funny enough the APC came second with over 83 votes there. My vicinity used to be a pdp stronghold in the past, not even in 2015 did Apc win there.

You speak as if
1. There was a pact between citizens living in FCT and the Locals
2. You forget that ALL people living in FCT have equal rights (citizens or not)
3. The citizens control the senatorial candidates and representatives of both APC and PDP and no one thought highly of LP. Ireti has been contesting in LP for at least three consecutive times with no issues as the FCT natives underated her.

There was no case of betrayal even though I understand that the natives will prefer their own person to represent them. Overall, this is good for our democracy. Power doesn't belong permanently to anyone.

If Ireti Kingibe doesn't do well,, she should be voted out. But if she outperforms the previous senator, should she still be voted out because she's not a native?

I live in FCT

LordReed:
No you concluded instead of asking me a question. You previously asked why I said no and I told you the claims are mundane. Then you jump to "You don't mean no, you mean yes!".

My post was straightforward, claims of UFO sightings and NDEs are mundane, they do not usually contain sufficient information to make any further claim beyond accepting that a person had an experience. If you want to understand what the person experienced or make any further claims then you need more evidence. I am not sure where any of this is giving you trouble to understand.

Let me quote my post and highlight my position.


Here was my understanding of your post

TenQ:
In other words, even though you said "NO" to both questions, you actually mean "YES"!

YES meaning that:
You WOULD unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!

And I asked you to clarify if my understanding was correct

TenQ:
Is this your final position?

So, it wasn't my conclusion if I had to ask you to clarify!


Why your post is NOT straight forward!
The questions were very specific.

1. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL UFO sightings and experiences as a Hoax?
2. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL NDE as Hoax?

The word UNEQUIVOCAL is important, that is why your response should be either very YES or very NO!

Your response after you said:

I'll bite.
No to both.

Seems to suggest that you were NOT very NO in your response:
Am I correct?

Dtruthspeaker:
If stupid people take correction they won't be stupid!

LOL!
Quite on the spot!

jaephoenix:
Answer the question, bro. Leave dodging

Your case is like an "intelligent" carpenter who want to justify the "absence of atoms" with set square, measuring tape while screaming on top of his lungs,
"bring an atom here if it exists so that we can measure it!?"

Have a nice day!

LordReed:
Reread what I wrote without your freaking blinkers on.

Except if your write is meant to be deceitfully unclear. I asked you to clarify your position on what I could understand from your post. Otherwise, we don't have to continue with the conversation!

It is either I got you wrong or I got you correctly!

jaephoenix:
Lol. You're a legend in question dodge. Example, I asked you to show me evidence of Yahweh, and how you know he's around, and you have been throwing tantrums thinking it'll dislodge me

Remember I asked you a question:
I said:
First, prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence?


Your response:

jaephoenix:
...
3. Its not everything that exists that have physical properties but they have other properties which can be measured ..

Me hoping that you have taken correction with your flawed definition of "physical properties"

According to YOU: "somethings" (by your definition) which does NOT have physical properties can exist!

Can you please respond:
What kind of properties do you hope to measure as evidence when such "something" doesn't have physical properties, can it be measured?



Or Are you biting your tongue now?

advocatejare:
How can Satan commands anyone for good? That is where Muslims should have opened their eyes and realize that they are being deceived!

Sahih Muslim 2814a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.


Satan the commander of the good of Mohammed!

LordReed:
Because the claims are often mundane. Someone saw something flying but they don't know what it is hence the Unidentified in the acronym. That's not very information in determining anything significant about what the person saw. It could be any number of things.

As for NDEs they are also somewhat mundane claims much like dreams they cannot be verified as having occurred nor is there any way to find 9ut if they are linked to real occurances outside of what is in our reality.

So I say OK somebody saw a UFO or had an NDE, now what?

I don't need evidence to accept that someone had an experience they didn't understand. It's the attempt at understanding that requires evidence.

In other words, even though you said "NO" to both questions, you actually mean "YES"!

YES meaning that:
You WOULD unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!

Is this your final position?

jaephoenix:
Lol. Stick to the debate, bro. Leave insults.
Answer the question and lets be merry
All these deflections won't work on me

1. Of course, you started it by saying I don't know science and logic when it is you who fail miserably on both counts. Do you want me to show you examples of your goofs?

2. You don't know the meaning of "strawman arguments" and instead of finding out, you insist it's the tool of your trade. It would have been okay for you to learn to understand. A question you should have asked yourself is:
a. What is a strawman?
b. How was my question a strawman?
c. Would you appreciate a conversation where strawman arguments are routinely used for you?

3. The only tool I can use to debate Atheists is Logic and Science, it would be impossible to be below average in both and yet expect a meaningful conversation. Even if you don't know science, you should at least exhibit Truth with Logic and it would have been sufficient.

Please let's call it a day from here till another time. Thanks

Wilgrea7:
I by no means consider myself an overall judge on failure or success. I simply reported things as I found them. You've dodged my questions a fair number of times when pressed on these issues, hence my statement.

But nonetheless, it's always a pleasure engaging with you. I hope you're doing great.

I usually don't dodge any questions my dear except it is an omission. The only thing you may accuse me of is answering a question with another question when I feel that your answer is sufficient to answering the question.

I've missed you too: how's your day and work?
Stay fit!

jaephoenix:
We are not judging you, its science and logic that judges you. Those enitites have rules which you break, so how can you marry them with religion

I wish you understood just a kindergarten level science and it would have been worth it.

With no apologies dear,
Right now, you are just an ordinary wannabe Atheist!

Good day!

LordReed:
I'll bite.

No to both.

Thanks.
I am hoping you are truthful on this!

If I get you right, you won't unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!

1. Why?
2. But you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES?

Thanks

advocatejare:
That is why they don’t talk about his atrocities, they only over amplify the few good things he did and bury the numerous evil things he did!

Even then can someone under the command of Shaitan be good?

At least Mohammed says satan command him only for good

Kobojunkie:
Jews don't believe in Allah as they instead believe in YHWH and YHWH isn't Allah. We have more than established that much.

Christians also don't believe in Allah since Christians instead believe in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is not from Allah but from the source that is also YHWH and this much we have established

Exactly,

1. The name of the "Allah" of the Muslims is Allah
The name of the "Allah" of the Christians is Yahweh
The name of the "Allah" of the Jews is Yahweh

Bellotelli:
Do they believe in Allah?
If yes, then they are.

1. If Jews believe in Allah, why do Muslims and Allah hate them above all men?
2. But, No Jews don't believe in Allah. They believe in Yahweh!
Christians too do not believe in Allah, they believe in Yahweh!

advocatejare:
The cancellation of adoption is one of the things that got me baffled about Islam till date. As beautiful as adoption law was, Muhammad cancelled it cos of his lust for one woman.

And he is the best example for Muslims on morality?

Even the average contemporary Muslim's moral is higher than Mohammed's

jaephoenix:
You have an uncanny knack of dodging questions. Just answer my questions and we'll extrapolate from there

It is wisdom for you to set up a STRAWMAN and expect me to answer you!?

Thanks for your time!

jaephoenix:
Answer this question.
Do you believe
1. I live in Mars and fly to Earth everyday for work?
2. Do you believe a black unicorns exist?

Even though I don't feel responding to you, however you have used a terrible set of STRAWMAN questions. Why?
These are ALL fictitious and known examples.

How about this:
1. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL UFO sightings and experiences as a Hoax?
Note:
-You've personally never seen a UFO
-No government has shown us any clear pictures of a UFO

Your answers should be YES or NO!

2. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL NDE as Hoax?
Note:
-You've never experienced one
-Recorded Experiences seem to be slightly different
-some kind of OBE and NDE can be simulated with drugs

Your answers should be YES or NO!

This is closer to religion than your Unicorn and Mars STRAWMAN examples!

You may after stating YES or NO justify your position.

Wilgrea7:
I've debated TenQ a few times here. He seems like a well learned person, especially when compared to other theists here like thetruthspeaker.

I've noticed he tries to merge scientific knowledge with Christian theology, especially on issues like morality and the existence of his specific God.. although so far he has repeatedly failed to do so.

Thanks for the indirect complement. When I debate Muslims, I use their Qur'an, Tafsirs and Hadiths.
When I debate Atheists, I am compelled to use LOGIC and SCIENCE!
It is only logical since the Bible and the Faith is Fairy tale to you.

Unfortunately, you are not in a position to judge my failure or not.

Peace!

Starlight252:
Everything includes Eternity (the immeasurable) and the First Cause (as you posit, the source of time, space and matter). Now, what is this "Everything?"..

Is eternity a THING?


Did I not define everything for you?

I said:
Everything include time, space and matter. And all of them have their origin 13.8 billion years ago. Every law of physics and chemistry breakdown as we approach the origin.

Everything is time, space and matter!

Bellotelli:
This is to say if u believe in Allah, believe in the last day and be righteous then you will attain paradise. Now I'll ask you what else do u require to become a Muslim?

This is a flawed argument!

Are you saying emphatically that Jews are Muslims?
Are you saying emphatically that Christians are Muslims?

Rosemaiden:
Only the Lord Himself can deliver them. Satan has a firm grip on his captives.

Please don't forget that they need mercy of God to be set free. We'll pray but we shall also preach the word to them.

You might wish to look at these

https://www.nairaland.com/tenq/topics

advocatejare:
Which man will trust him wife with him? someone who had special privileges one of which is:

Tenth: If Muhammad looks at a woman (and desires her) THEN IT IS NECESSARY FOR HER HUSBAND TO DIVORCE HER AND FOR MUHAMMAD TO MARRY HER.

Muslims cannot see the moral problem this creates in their religion.

Any believing women (married or not) can also give herself to Mohammed

A man who can Shamelessly cancel adoption because he LUSTED after the Wife of his own son!

Indeed, the world will pick darkness over the Light.

Starlight252:
These are just my personal thoughts. No offence intended. Thanks.

1. How do you determine that the "Uncaused-First-Cause-of-Everything" is really the origin of existence? Remember, you are only a human -a soul.

It is impossible to have an infinite regress of Cause and Effect. The implication is that there must be an Originator of the first Effect who must be a First Cause of Everything.

Starlight252:
2.In relation to existence, what do you think the word "everything" means?

Everything include time, space and matter. And all of them have their origin 13.8 billion years ago. Every law of physics and chemistry breakdown as we approach the origin.

Starlight252:
3.Is it possible to measure eternity?

It is NOT possible to measure eternity.
Why?
Time started 13.8 billion years ago. It is impossible to measure earlier times than this. Eternity predates the creation of time hence how can you measure what doesn't exist?

Rosemaiden:
You x-rayed them bro. They'll be cherry picking responses, read biased interpretations into references and take sentences out of context when they're face to face with facts. Afterwards, they'll be claiming smartness based on falsehood. You'll see that in their arguments with fxmasterz here. They're never sincere with themselves. Very dishonest Atheists.

Empty barrels they say make the loudest noise. They want to peddle a rhetoric of a Christian proving the existence of God while they dodge any attempt to make them prove the contrary.

A true atheist is one who either
1. Consciously reject God
2. Has enough evidence to conclude that God doesn't exist.

The first is possible but the second is impossible for it assumes you have extraordinary complete knowledge of the Universe.
3. Agnostics are at best Jokers!

advocatejare:
Many of them are so much pleased with the lies, they don’t want to know the truth. The truth scares them!0

The truth scares them plus the power of inductrination. How can the most VILE of a human being be termed as NOBLE?
How can the most untrustworthy individual be termed Al Amin?

How many of Muslim men can trust their wives pay a visit to Mohammed?

Rosemaiden:
Would they ever listen? They seem to have a cloud of darkness around them preventing them from seeing the falsehood they're patronising. Their ears seem to be full of deafening wax making it difficult for them to hear. They even still love Allah after he has told them plainly that he'll cast all of them to hell whether they like it or not. Sometimes I just wonder what's wrong with these people?

Unfortunately, they think worse of us Christians.. that we worship 3 gods and reduce God to the level of a human being who was born through the "dirty carnal" of a woman and who sucked the breast etc.

They believe that piousness will grant them paradise even when they see all the contradiction and inconsistencies in their religion. They believe they can make paradise by more religion,

This is why we should pray more for them