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Mr JimRohn,
You refused to answer direct questions and any answer I give you is considered a ridicule which wasn't my intention. What I noticed however is that when I show you how impossible your position is, it seems to inflamed you. I must commend you however that you were not abusive as some other Muslims when their position seems threatened by superior arguments.

Have you noticed that you seem to reject obvious meaning of the Qur'an and Hadiths whenever they seem problematic to you.


So, I will ask you just one small batch of question at a time and I expect you to answer them directly if possibly with evidence AND maintain consistency by standing by your answers.




1. Is it TRUE or UNTRUE that Prophet Mohammad is in his grave praying?
2. Is this also TRUE for ALL prophets of Islam: that they are in their graves praying?
3. On the day of resurrection, who would be the first to resurrect from the dead?

JimRohn:
Dear TenQ,

Thank you for your reply. I will now respond to the points you raised with clarity and respect, while emphasizing the need for a logically consistent and theologically sound discussion.

1. The Analogy of Jibril (Gabriel) Fails

Your comparison between the angel Jibril (peace be upon him) appearing as a man and the incarnation of God in the person of Jesus is a false analogy and theologically unsound. Let me explain why:

Jibril appearing in human form did not change his essence; he remained an angel sent by God, merely manifesting in visible form for a specific purpose. There is no claim in Islam that Jibril became human or took on the limitations of humanity — he appeared as a man, but did not become one ontologically.

In contrast, Christian theology asserts that Jesus was fully God and fully man — not merely appearing as human, but actually taking on human limitations: ignorance, hunger, sleep, pain, and ultimately death.

This is the core contradiction we’ve been highlighting: how can the eternal, all-knowing, all-powerful God become a finite, limited, and mortal being without ceasing to be God? You cannot solve a contradiction in nature by citing a temporary form assumed by an angel — these are fundamentally different categories.

I did not compare Jibril with the incarnation of God. My objective is to ask you questions about the incarnation of Jibril for if you cannot comprehend it by answering my questions, then it is an exercise in futility for you to understand God that is far more complex.

So, please answer my questions and I hope you will be truthful
1. Jibril is an Angel, when he came to Mary as a perfect man, did he stop being an angel?
2. As a perfect man, did Jibril have saliva in his mouth and does he have teeth and intestines?

So also, In the Qur'an,
1. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
2. Jesus is the Word of Allah cast down to Mary
Question:
A. When Jesus became a Messenger as a man on earth, did he stop being a Spirit and the Word of Allah?
B. Let's assume that the Messenger was killed, does it mean that the Spirit and the Word of Allah was killed?

Please go straight to the answers!

JimRohn:
2. You Misrepresent Tawhid and Islamic Theology
Your claim that under Tawhid, Allah is “neither omnipresent, nor omnipotent, nor omniscient” is not only incorrect, it reveals a deep misunderstanding of Islamic monotheism.

In Islam:

Allah is Omnipotent: “Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.” (Qur'an 2:20)

Allah is Omniscient: “And with Him are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him.” (Qur’an 6:59)

Allah is Omnipresent in Knowledge and Power (not physically, as Islam does not anthropomorphize God): “He is with you wherever you are.” (Qur’an 57:4)

You confuse physical omnipresence with divine oversight, which in Islamic theology is not limited by space or time. Unlike the Christian concept that necessitates God becoming flesh, Islam maintains that God transcends creation entirely while His knowledge, power, and will encompass all.

Pick any dictionary and define Omnipresence.
After, let's apply it to Allah and check if he is Omnipresent. Omnipresence mean being fully present everywhere in space and time. I did not misrepresent the definition.

By dictionary definition, is Allah Omnipresent?
NO!

If according to your hadith, AIR is ABOVE Allah and Water is Below Him, Allah is a subset of the Universe! Thus, he cannot be Omnipresent.
Sunan Ibn Majah 182
Waki' bin Hudus narrated that his paternal uncle Abu Razin said:
"I said: 'O Messenger of Allah, where was our Lord before He created His creation?' He said: He was above the clouds, below which was air, and above which was air and water. Then He created His Throne above the water.'"


Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3109
"Ahmad ibn Mani' reported to us, Yazid ibn Harun reported to us, Hammad ibn Salama informed us from Ya'la ibn Ata' from Wakii ibn Hudus, from his uncle Abu Razin, who said: I said, 'O Messenger of God, where was our Lord before He created His creation?' He said, 'He was in a state of nothingness (or solitude), with air below Him and air above Him, and He created His Throne upon the water.' Ahmad ibn Mani' said that Yazid ibn Harun said: 'the solitude (or state of nothingness) means there was nothing with Him.' Abu Isa said: Hammad ibn Salama reported it this way from Wakii ibn Hudus, and Sh'bah, Abu Awana, and Hisham say Wakii ibn 'udus (instead of Hudus), and that is more authentic. Abu Razin's name was Laqiit ibn Amir. And he said, 'This is a good hadith.'"

What can be clearer than this?
Air above Allah AND Air and Water below Allah!

The loads of scientific "mis-miracles" in the Qur'an proves that Allah is NOT Omniscient irrespective of what you Muslims want to believe.
Eg.
Does the sperm become a baby?
Did Dhul Qarnayn see the sun set in murky waters?
Did the Samaritan really make the golden calf for the children of Israel?
Did some men sleep in a cave for 300 years?

Too many errors show that the author of the Qur'an is a 7th century Arabian man!

JimRohn:
3. Trinity Is Not Rational Merely Because It Is Complex

You argue that “Trinity is rational even though there is nothing like it in existence.” But that is precisely the issue: to assert three persons as one being — each fully God but not each other — is not “complex” but contradictory when examined logically.

Saying “God is one in essence but three in person” creates semantic confusion unless clearly defined. In practice, this leads to affirming:

Jesus is fully God.
The Father is fully God.
Jesus is not the Father.

Yet there is only one God. This is not complexity; it is logical incoherence, because it violates the law of non-contradiction.

Mystery is not a license for contradiction. Divine nature can transcend human comprehension, yes, but it cannot defy logic — otherwise, the concept becomes meaningless and self-refuting.

Exactly the point.
How is it that Abraham, Adam. Moses are dead BUT your prophet spoke to them in paradise?

It makes sense to you right.

Please explain how,
Jesus according to the Qur'an is a Trinity of Spirit from Allah, Word of Allah and a Human messenger of Allah?
Note: that the only other spirit you know in Islam is Jibril . The only word of Allah you know is Jesus. A spirit is not human and neither is the word of Allah!
Also, note that Jibril is NOT the word of Allah!

Please, explain the contradiction according to your understanding.

JimRohn:
4. False Assumption About Allah’s Location
You concluded with a bizarre and inaccurate claim:

> “If according to your hadith, air is above Allah and water is below Him, Allah is a subset of the universe.”

This is a misunderstanding of classical Islamic theology. While Allah is described in Islamic scripture as being above the heavens (e.g., Qur’an 67:16-17), this is understood in a manner befitting His majesty, not as a physical location with spatial limitations.

The hadith you refer to — presumably referencing the Throne (‘Arsh) being above water — does not mean Allah is “within” the universe or a subset of it. In fact, He is the Creator of space, time, air, and water. Islamic theology is emphatically clear that:

> “There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.” (Qur’an 42:11)

Thus, He is not bound by His creation. This is a conceptual distinction Christianity blurs by insisting God can become a man — a notion Islam rightly rejects as anthropomorphism.

Read the two hadiths again and prove to me that it didn't say air was above and below Allah.

JimRohn:
5. The Core Question Still Remains Unanswered

Despite your diversions and counter-challenges, the foundational issue I originally raised still stands:

> ❓👉How can Jesus be fully God while possessing qualities that contradict the divine nature — such as ignorance (Mark 13:32), hunger, temptation, growth, and death?

None of your analogies or theological claims have resolved this contradiction. Instead, you’ve pivoted to other topics and launched unfounded claims about Islam.

Two bad for you because I perceive yours is a case of deliberate ignorance.

Your argument is like saying, how can physical universe come into being from a spoken word!

I have shown you from the scripture the nature of my God YHWH.
He is simultaneously Everywhere as a Spirit
He is simultaneously on His Throne in the Heavens
He is anywhere else as the Word (Kunfayakun) where Gods Power is to be made manifest.

You and I understand that these Attributes is IMPOSSIBLE for Allah BUT don't commit the error of Generalisation.

It's okay if you cannot understand YHWH!

JimRohn:
6. An Open Invitation to Sincere Reason

As Muslims, we affirm that God's oneness (Tawhid) is clear, consistent, and free of contradiction. We call to the pure monotheism that was preached by all prophets, including Jesus (peace be upon him), who affirmed:

> “My God and your God.” (John 20:17)

If you wish to continue this dialogue, I invite you to return to the original question and address it logically, not emotionally, and without misrepresenting Islamic beliefs.

Warm regards,
Jimrohn

All a person needs to reject Islam is the Love for the Truth.
Unfortunately, Islam is a set of cascades of lies that you Muslims will deliberately TWIST the plain interpretation of your Qur'an and Hadiths for LIES cooked up by your scholars.

The truth sets free.

JimRohn:
Dear TenQ,

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your willingness to engage in this important theological discussion.

However, I must point out that your response did not directly address the core theological question I raised — namely, how can Jesus, if he is truly God, possess limitations such as ignorance, hunger, and susceptibility to temptation, when these qualities are fundamentally incompatible with the divine nature?

Instead, your response resorted to an accusation that I "despise the Truth" and then pivoted to issuing a challenge about logicality. Let us clarify a few important points for the sake of sincere dialogue:

1. The Issue at Hand Is Internal Consistency, Not Emotion or Hostility

My original question was not an attack, nor did it rely on emotion. It was a logical inquiry about internal coherence within Christian doctrine. If Jesus is fully God, then experiencing ignorance (Mark 13:32), temptation (Matthew 4:1), and growth in wisdom (Luke 2:52) creates a logical contradiction — because God, by definition, is omniscient, perfect, and immutable (Malachi 3:6, James 1:13).

To dismiss this as a “strawman” without addressing the actual contradiction does not help clarify the issue — it simply evades it.

I have addressed your problems in the post above.
BUT
Let me ask you a question.

1. Jibril is an Angel, when he came to mary as a perfect man, did he stop being an angel?
2. As a perfect man, did Jibril have saliva in his mouth and does he have teeth and intestines?

JimRohn:
2. Claiming You Can Prove the Trinity From Islam Is a Category Error
You stated you could prove the Trinity or “duality” from Islam. With due respect, that would be a fundamental misunderstanding of Islamic theology. Islam is founded upon Tawhid — absolute monotheism — which declares unambiguously:

> “Say: He is Allah, One. Allah, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.” (Qur’an 112:1–4)

There is no room in Islamic theology for a division of the divine essence into “persons,” nor for God becoming incarnate or subject to human frailty. Any attempt to extract Trinitarian ideas from Islamic texts would involve misinterpretation or decontextualization. If you believe otherwise, I would invite you to present the exact Qur’anic or Hadith evidence and the methodology by which you claim it leads to Trinitarian conclusions. Assertions alone do not constitute arguments.

You desire a Deity in the image of creations and when you see that the True God has incompatible natures to your image, you throw tantrums.

The Question is: Do you accept the Challenge!

JimRohn:
3. Logic and Revelation Must Align

Muslims believe that truth is both revealed and rational. God does not command us to believe in logical contradictions. If a doctrine asserts that a being can be omniscient and ignorant, or immortal and capable of dying, infallible and tempted, all at once — that is not a mystery; it is a logical impossibility.

God is not subject to change (Numbers 23:19), does not get tired or sleep (Psalm 121:4), and cannot be tempted (James 1:13). To say Jesus is fully God while possessing the very limitations God explicitly says He does not have is a contradiction that undermines divine perfection.

Trinity is RATIONAL even though for God, there is NOTHING in existence Like His Trinity.
This is why with the Trinity of Giod, we can understand
How He could be Omnipresent
How He could be Omnipotent
How He could be Omniscient
AND
With the Taoheed, Allah is Neither Omnipresent, NOR Omnipotent, NOR Omniscient.

JimRohn:
4. Our Invitation Remains

As a Muslim, I stand by the clarity and simplicity of Islamic monotheism. We affirm that God is absolutely unique, above all human attributes, and not incarnate in any form. Jesus (peace be upon him) is revered as a mighty prophet, born of a virgin, but always distinguished from God Himself. This understanding is coherent, consistent, and affirmed by the teachings of all prophets, including Jesus himself who said:

> “My Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)

So rather than trading challenges or accusations, let us return to the real question:❓👇

How can Jesus be fully God while possessing qualities that contradict God's perfect, divine nature?

I await your thoughtful and respectful response.

Warm regards,
Jimrohn

Who should be Greater, the One who was Sent or the One Who Sent Him?
Who is Greater, the father and the Son?

Who is greater, Your Soul or your Body?

If according to your hadith, AIR is ABOVE Allah and Water is Below Him, Allah is a subset of the Universe!

JimRohn:
Dear TenQ

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your willingness to engage in this deep and important theological discussion. Let us approach this matter thoughtfully and respectfully.

You asked several pointed questions regarding Allah’s attributes and the possibility of Him entering creation. Allow me to respond in a structured manner, clarifying the Islamic view while also respectfully addressing the implications of your statements.

1. Does Allah need to eat? Can He eat and remain Almighty?

No, Allah does not need to eat, nor can He eat. The act of eating arises from need, which is a characteristic of created beings. In Islamic theology, need is imperfection, and Allah is absolutely free of all need (As-Samad).

> “Allah – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of existence… He neither tires nor sleeps…”
— Qur’an 2:255

If Allah were to eat, He would cease to be the One who is utterly independent (Al-Ghaniyy) and perfectly self-sufficient — and thus no longer be God by definition.

I agree with you on this as even Angels do not have to eat.

JimRohn:
So the answer is not that He "can eat and remain Almighty" — rather, His Almighty nature is precisely why He does not eat.

The implication of CAN HE DO SOMETHING without ceasing to be Almighty is clear. Allah CANNOT, thus He cannot be God.

The God of the CHristians and Jews can eat if He chooses to without ceasing to be ALMIGHTY

Genesis 18:-1-8
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. 3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”
“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.” 6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs[b] of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.” 7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

You just affirmed why Allah cannot be Omnipotent.

JimRohn:
2. Can Allah enter His creation and still remain Almighty?
This question presumes that God must enter His creation to express power or love. But in Islam, Allah’s transcendence is not a limitation, it is perfection. The Creator is not subject to the dimensions, flaws, or confines of creation.

To suggest otherwise is to impose creaturely limitations on the Creator — which is a theological contradiction.

Your assertion that “YHWH can enter His creation and still remain Almighty” is internally inconsistent. The moment God becomes subject to the constraints of time, space, hunger, ignorance, or death, He undergoes change — and the One who changes cannot be eternal or self-sufficient.

Here is another question that exposes the Limitation of Allah as He is NOT Omnipresent nor is he Omnipotent.
The God of the Jews and CHristians can be in Heaven and on Earth at the same time

Genesis 19:24
24Then YHWH rained down sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah— from YHWH out of the heavens.


Islamic Taoheed makes it impossible for Allah to be simultaneously on his throne above the waters after the seventh heaven and anywhere else at the same time.
Psalm 139:8
"If I ascend to the heavens, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol[Hell or Grave], You are there."

God as the Holy Spirit fills the heavens and the earth
Jeremiah 23:23-24
Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Allah cannot even enter the toilet, he can only know what you are doing inside the toilet isn't it?

Can any Deity that is neither Omnipotent nor Omnipresent be God!?

JimRohn:
3. Can Allah die?
Death implies the cessation of life, and life (in created terms) is contingent, dependent, and vulnerable.

I don't know if this is ignorance or celebrate taqiyya.
Death is NOT the cessation of LIFE:
Death is the Disconnection between the Body and the Soul/Spirit!
Death is the Translocation of a person from the Physical Realm to the Spiritual Realms


If this is NOT True,
What is the purpose if the Islamic punishment of the grave if there is cessation of life?


Is death the cessation of Life?
Does Allah have the Power to Die and YET remain Alive?

JimRohn:
In Islam, Allah is Al-Hayy (The Ever-Living) — and not just alive, but unconditionally alive, not born, not dying, not dependent on anything.
> “Every soul will taste death, but not Allah. He is the First and the Last.”
— Qur’an 55:26-27

So no, Allah cannot die — not because He is limited, but because He is unlimited in His perfection.

Knowing the meaning of death,
You have just confirmed that Allah cannot be ALMIGHTY as there are many things he cannot do!

Did your prophet tell lies about Adam, Abraham, Joseph and Moses when he rode the Al-Burak to paradise or explain if a partial resurrection happed with the prophets?

JimRohn:
4. You claimed: “The Tawheed of Allah is like the tawheed of Iblis.”
This is a deeply flawed comparison. Iblis acknowledged God’s oneness, but refused to obey Him out of arrogance. Tawheed in Islam is not mere belief in oneness — it is pure, consistent, and submission-based monotheism that affirms God’s uniqueness in His essence, names, attributes, and lordship, and entails worshiping Him alone.

Tawheed is not a description of creation. On the contrary, it is the absolute distinction between the Creator and the created — something that Trinitarian theology blurs.

How many Iblis exist in the Universe?
Is he not one like Allah?

Can Iblis be simultaneously in Heaven and on Earth at the same time?
Is he not just like Allah in Omnipresence and omnipotence?

JimRohn:
5. “If Allah were to become a man, would He feel pain, heat, cold?”
This is a hypothetical that Islam completely rejects. Why?

Because if Allah were to become a man, He would have to limit His eternal attributes — which contradicts His very nature.

So the proper answer is not to ask what would happen if Allah became a man, but to affirm He does not become man, because doing so would mean He is no longer God.

This aligns with what the Bible itself says:

> “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man…”
— Numbers 23:19

You are still justifying that many things are impossible for Allah to do!
Luke 1:37
"For with God nothing will be impossible."

Jeremiah 32:27
"Behold, I am YHWH, the God of all flesh; is there anything too difficult for Me?"

Unfortunately, as one of Allah's slave, you admit that his nature make manythings IMPOSSIBLE for Him without making him less than the Almighty

JimRohn:
6. Clarity on the Trinity
You stated that “God is Trinity.” However, this doctrine presents profound theological contradictions:
How can God be co-equal, yet one Person is subordinate or ignorant?

If the WORD became Human and reduced his power and attribute that He may live within US and entered the world as a represent.
The Word is like the Kunfayakun of God sent as a Messenger of His Power and Presence in Creating and making things to be.
The Bible says the WORD became Human, this is the One we know as Jesus.

The Father will NOT Leave His throne in Heaven
The Holy Spirit will NOT abandon being EVERYWHERE in space and Time.
Thus, the Kunfayakun of God becomes the Messenger of God.

A mundane example:
Your Soul is YOU,
your Body is YOU
But
Your Body runs Errand for you Soul

JimRohn:
How can the Son die, while the Father remains, yet both are the same essence?

You disappoint me with your understanding of spiritual things. In Islam, is death a form of non-existent annihilation or a translocation ?

JimRohn:
How can the eternal God be born, tempted, or limited?
These are not mysteries to be accepted blindly. They are contradictions that conflict with the definition of divinity.

If Allah doesn't limit his attribute, can you see him?
Id Allah doesn't limit his attributes, do you think the Angels can behold him?
Don't forget that your prophet said you will see your Lord as clearly as you see the moon.

It is understandable your fears as Allah cannot enter his creation without ceasing to be Almighty.
YHWH can enter His creation without ceasing to be Almighty.

By His choice he came to represent us Humanity that He may legally become our Ransom from the Fire of Hell.
The Pre-Existent WORD became Human
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

JimRohn:
7. Conclusion: Divine Simplicity is Not a Limitation

You said we want a God “so simple to comprehend.” But the simplicity of Islamic monotheism is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of clarity, consistency, and transcendence.

Islam affirms that:

God is One, Unique, Eternal

He does not become His creation

He does not hunger, tire, or die

He is perfectly just, merciful, and wise

He sends prophets, not pieces of Himself

This is not a small view of God — this is a majestic, rational, and exalted view of God.

We invite you, with full respect, to reexamine whether the idea of a God-man aligns with the consistent teaching of the prophets and with the unchanging perfection that God must have by definition.

Let us seek the truth together, not through emotional arguments or hypothetical speculations, but by affirming what God has revealed about Himself clearly and purely.

With sincerity and respect,
Jimrohn

All these make Allah a subset of his creation
Is it untrue that Above Allah is AIR?

Sunan Ibn Majah 182
Waki' bin Hudus narrated that his paternal uncle Abu Razin said:
"I said: 'O Messenger of Allah, where was our Lord before He created His creation?' He said: He was above the clouds, below which was air, and above which was air and water. Then He created His Throne above the water.'"

same with if you will speak the truth and let iblis be ashamed
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3109

[quote author=NiceLegs post=135626448][/quote]It looks like stone breaker BUT you can only confirm if the plant has stone-like projections at the back.

So please confirm.

CreativeOrbit:
Islam offers a return to the pure monotheism preached by Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them all) — to worship the One Creator without intermediaries or divine partners.

May God guide us all to truth and sincerity.
Peace be upon you.

Muslims cannot do without lies.

Is it true that Christians say that
1. God is ONE
2. God is the Father, God is the Son and God is the Holy Spirit

If this is TRUE, who is the INTERMEDIARIES or DEVINE partners with God according to Christians.


Please truthfully answer this Question because it seems that without Strawman Islam is not complete!

JimRohn

Even though You despise the Truth, do you think Trinity or Duality is Illogical?

Suppose I prove the logicality just from Islam, would you submit to understanding or still cling on to your strawman tactics?

It is a challenge!

JimRohn:
Dear Christian friends,

This is a sincere theological question intended for reflection, not provocation.

According to Trinitarian doctrine, Jesus is both fully God and fully man. Yet in the Gospels, we find that Jesus experiences hunger (Matthew 4:2), fatigue (John 4:6), ignorance (Mark 13:32), and even temptation by Satan (Matthew 4:1). These are unmistakable signs of human limitation.

However, God — by definition — is all-knowing, self-sufficient, and entirely above being tempted or weakened. As the Bible states:

> “God cannot be tempted by evil.” — James 1:13

If Jesus was truly God, how can he be tempted by Satan? If he is God, how can he not know the Day of Judgment? If he is God, how can he hunger or grow in wisdom (Luke 2:52)?

These are not small matters. They go to the very heart of what it means to be divine.

From the Islamic view, this confusion does not arise. God (Allah) is perfect, eternal, and absolutely free from human weaknesses. He does not become man. Jesus (peace be upon him) is honored as a prophet and messenger, born miraculously, but he is not divine. His mission was to call people to worship the One True God — not to claim divinity for himself.

So we ask respectfully:
If Jesus is fully God, how do you reconcile divine perfection with the human limitations he clearly experienced?

We invite you to reflect, and to consider whether pure monotheism — as taught by all prophets — offers a clearer and more consistent understanding of God's nature.

Tell me,
1. Does Allah need to eat?
2. Can Allah eat and still remain almighty?
3. Can Allah enter his creation and still remain almighty?
4. Does Allah die?
5. Can Allah die and still remain almighty?


Until you first demonstrate that Allah is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. Your argument is based on gross ignorance as the Taoheed of Allah is exactly like the Taoheed of Iblis

I can tell you, because God is Trinity
1. God does not need to eat
2. YHWH can eat and still remain Almighty
3. YHWH can enter His creation and still remain Almighty
4. YHWH does NOT die
5. YHWH can diesel and still remain Almighty


You want a God so simple to comprehend like items in creation and you with Taoheed unconsciously put a physical limitation on him.

YHWH is unlike Anyone or Anything in creation.
Taoheed is a description of the oneness of created things.
Even human beings are higher in nature to your Taoheed.




Please answer these
If per chance it is possible for Allah to become a perfect man, do you think he would be able to feel all the senses a man would feel like warmth, cold, heat, pain etc or he would be lifeless?

If per chance it is possible for Allah to become a perfect man, will he reduce his attributes in our world or come with his full attributes as Allah?

Think!

JimRohn:
Thank you for your detailed reply. I appreciate the time and thought you've put into engaging with my original question. Allow me to respond in a structured and respectful manner, maintaining focus on the core issue: what did Jesus himself clearly and explicitly teach about the divinity of the Holy Spirit?

1. Clarifying the Scope of the Question

You admit that:

> "Jesus does not explicitly teach in the Gospels that the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune Godhead in a direct, systematic statement."

I appreciate this honesty. It effectively concedes the central point of my question. If Jesus—according to the Gospels—never explicitly taught the doctrine of the Holy Spirit as divine or as part of a triune Godhead, then this remains a theological inference, not a direct teaching from Jesus.

As a Muslim, I find it essential that something as foundational as God's nature should be taught unambiguously by God's messenger. Ambiguity or reliance on later interpretation invites doctrinal confusion.

The bottom line is that
1. Every Jew already knew the Holy Spirit as the manifest Everpresent power of God.
2. Every Jew knew that The Holy Spirit is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent
3. Every Jew knew that the Holy Spirit is NOT an Angel
4. The purpose of Jesus is not to systematically explain Trinity BUT to give us Salvation
5. Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to every Believer as a Seal , as a Teacher and an ever-abiding Comforter.

Unfortunately, Islam attributes Jibril to be God the Holy Spirit. A clear error of ignorance.

Even the heretical JW doesn't think that the Holy Spirit is Jibril BUT an expression for the Power of God. No single Jew believe that the Holy Spirit is an Angel.

JimRohn:
2. Responding to the Verses You Cited

Let me briefly address the specific passages you've raised:

Matthew 12:31–32 – Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit

This passage demonstrates that the Holy Spirit is honored, but being honored or protected from a particular sin does not make one God. In the same Bible, you will find that prophets, the Ark of the Covenant, and even the Temple were treated with exceptional reverence—yet none of these are considered divine.

Furthermore, sinning against God's appointed messengers is serious, but it does not imply the messenger is divine. Islam, for example, holds that disrespecting Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is a grave sin, but this does not make him divine.

Matthew 28:19 – “In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”

This verse is often used to support Trinitarian doctrine. However:

It still does not state that these three are one being or co-equal in divinity.

Saying "in the name of..." does not logically equate all the entities mentioned. For example, authority can be invoked in the name of a king, his general, and his law, without implying they are ontologically equal.

Notably, this verse does not come from Jesus during his ministry, but from a post-resurrection account. Many biblical scholars also question the authenticity of this specific formula, as it is absent from earlier Christian baptismal practices (e.g., Acts 2:38).

1. Does it make sense to you that EVERY sin against God has forgiveness EXCEPT Blasphemy against an Angel? Don't forget that Blasphemy against God is also a sin
2. You think it is Normal to associate the name of an Angel with the name of God?
3. So, post resurrection account isn't a real account exactly as your prophet's visit to heaven and seen post living account of Moses and the other prophets account.
You forgot that part of Allah's deception was to give a fake resurrected Jesus to the disciples so that they would believe that it was the real Jesus crucified.

You will need to prove explicitly that the Holy Spirit both in the Old testament and the New Testament is Jibril to convince even yourself, otherwise, you are in error.

JimRohn:
Genesis 1:2 and Job 26:13 – Spirit of God in the Old Testament

The Hebrew term ruach simply means “breath,” “wind,” or “spirit.” Saying “the Spirit of God moved upon the waters” does not mean this “spirit” is a separate, co-equal person of God. Jews reading the Old Testament for millennia never interpreted these verses as describing a divine person distinct from the Father.

Acts 5:3–4 – Lying to the Holy Spirit is Lying to God

Respectfully, this is Peter speaking—not Jesus. As noted earlier, I am asking for Jesus’ own teachings, not later apostolic interpretations. Even if Peter believed this, it still does not resolve the fact that Jesus never articulated the Trinity or the divinity of the Holy Spirit himself.

Also, in biblical language, to offend or lie to someone bearing God's authority (like a prophet or messenger) could be equated with lying to God—because they act on His behalf.

Yes, Spirit in Hebrew is synonymous to Air or Wind and it describes an entity that is unseen but exists because of his power to change things. And this is used as a Description for God's presence and power as you cannot see God but you feel and experience His power and presence.

Even Angels are made of spirit (Gods nature). Only that they are limited, thus the distinction "Holy Spirit" or "Spirit of God" representing the infinite God.

Does the spirit moving over the water mean that at creation, Jibril was moving over the waters?


So, In Islam, with evidence, what is the Spirit?

JimRohn:
3. Attributes and Functions: Divine by Nature or Delegation?

You cited the Holy Spirit as possessing divine attributes like omniscience and omnipotence. However:

These traits are attributed to the Spirit, not necessarily inherent to it. Scripture often uses metaphorical or functional language.

In Islam, we affirm that God can delegate powers to His messengers or angels. For example, Gabriel conveys divine revelation and knowledge—not because he is divine, but because he is entrusted with divine tasks.

To use functional roles (such as inspiring prophets or giving life) to prove ontological divinity is a theological assumption, not a textual certainty.

Just be truthful to yourself:
Is there any creature in Islam either Man, Angels, Animals, Jinn or things that has even one of the three attributes of Omnipresence, Omnipotence and Omniscience?

JimRohn:
4. On the Isamic View of the Holy Spirit
You asked:
> “Is there a single verse that calls Jibril the Holy Spirit?”

Yes. The Qur’an refers to Jibril (Gabriel) as the Holy Spirit (Rūḥ al-Qudus) in several places:
> “Say, the Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth.”
— Surah An-Nahl 16:102
Also:

> “We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear signs and supported him with the Holy Spirit.”
— Surah Al-Baqarah 2:87

These and other verses link the "Holy Spirit" with Jibril. In Islamic theology, this is not a confusion but a clarification: the "Rūḥ al-Qudus" is not a part of God, but a created being who conveys revelation.

Both Quran verses you quoted NEVER said anywhere that Jibril was the Holy Spirit. This was an assumption by interpolation of Muslim scholars in both Qur'an 16:192 and Qur'an 2:87 that spirit is Jibril.

Isn't it obvious to you? Is there a single verse that called Jibril the Holy Spirit in the Qur'an?

Secondly, with evidence from the Qur'an Are Angels Spirit in Islam?
Ps 104:4:
"Who makes his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:"

If angels are not spirits, how can Jibril be a spirit?

JimRohn:
Regarding your question on “Allah breathing into Adam,” the phrase "My Spirit" is an honorific expression, not a literal part of God. This is classical Arabic usage—just as the Ka‘bah is called “My House”, but no one believes God lives inside it.

No sir,
The phrase is copy of the bible which was misunderstood by Mohammed the Ummi.
Qur'an 15:29
"And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down prostrating yourselves before him."

Qur'an 38:72
"So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down to him prostrate."

Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?

JimRohn:
5. On Jesus Being a Spirit from God

Yes, the Qur’an refers to Jesus as “a spirit from Him”, meaning he was created by God's command—“Be” (kun)—not that he is divine. It’s a special designation reflecting honor, not divinity. The same Qur’an repeatedly and explicitly denies Jesus’ divinity (e.g., 5:72, 4:171).

So. We see that even though Mohammed didn't know what the spirit is AND Jibril was not stated by Allah to be a spirit, the only Spirit clearly stated in the Qur'an is Jesus. Forget about divinity!

How is Jesus who is a Man also a Spirit?
Who else did Allah explicitly describe as a spirit in the Qur'an.

Is this not a proof that your understanding is abysmal with respect to spiritual things?

Quran 10:94 says:
"So if you (O Muhammad) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."

But you refuse to ask, why wouldn't you mix up spiritual things?

JimRohn:
6. Conclusion
The bottom line remains:
You have acknowledged that Jesus never explicitly stated that the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being.

All other references you provided are interpretations, inferences, or statements from others — not the words of Jesus himself.

As a Muslim, I believe that the nature of God must be taught clearly and directly by His chosen messengers. If Jesus never taught the Trinity or the divinity of the Holy Spirit, then that doctrine does not come from him, but from others after him.

I invite you, with sincerity, to reconsider whether Jesus truly taught the theology that later became formalized in Church councils, or whether he consistently taught the worship of the One, indivisible God — as did all prophets before him.

Let us continue this dialogue with mutual respect and pursuit of truth.

Tell me the truth,
Is Christianity taken ONLY from Jesus or ALL the prophets of God including Jesus?

What is the two powers of heaven according to early Jewish Rabbis ?

How can you ask me to leave
1. The infinity Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient God for Allah who isn't .
Does Allah have the power to Enter his creation without creasing to be Almighty?
Can Allah be in heaven and the earth equally simultaneously?
2. Guarantee for paradise for a guarantee for at least a time in Hell Fire
Quran 19:71-72 says that ALL Muslims must enter hell as a decree of Allah at least temporarily
3. The Way and Truth for one who doesn't know what will befall him
Quran 46:9
"Say, 'I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am only a clear warner.'"
compared with
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."



Satanists are monotheistic (their God is satan)
Muslims are monotheistic (their God is Allah)
Judaism are monotheistic (their God is YHWH)
Christians are monotheistic (their God is YHWH)

Exodus 3:14-15
“God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM.’ And he said, ‘Say this to the people of Israel: I AM has sent me to you.’ God also said to Moses, ‘Say to the Israelites, “YHWH, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob— has sent me to you.” This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.’”

Mohammed seems not know that the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is YHWH!


Is any of Allah's 99 names YHWH?

JimRohn:
Kindly answer the following question based on your own theological doctrine:👇

Where did Jesus ever explicitly state that the Holy Spirit is God, or that the Holy Spirit is a person within a triune Godhead?

Please provide a direct and unambiguous statement from Jesus himself, not a later interpretation or theological inference, but a clear declaration in which Jesus defines the Holy Spirit as one of three co-equal, co-eternal persons of a triune deity.

BibleInterpreta TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

Until I know exactly what you mean by the Holy Spirit, there is no moving forward


If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah or Mohammed?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

Kobojunkie:
You didn't quote what it said. Rather, you twisted what it said.

?

Kemetian:
Many African countries have better living standards and better infrastructure than India.

Many parts of Nigeria are better than India.

I've no idea what makes them feel big when they see black folks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLGPS41bn6Q

I completely disagree.

Yes, India is a mix of the
Stinkingly Rich AND the Dreadfully Poor
The Upper Class AND the Lower Class
The Good AND the Bad
Affluence AND Poverty
Technology AND Brute Force

It is like using Maroko or Okokomaiko Slums to judge the whole of Nigeria.



It is ONLY in India that you will walk through a place like an Upper CLass Mall (like Mall of America, The Galleria, Aventura Mall etc) and exit a Door into the worst slums in the World with Cow excrement littering the ground and poverty distributed everywhere.

I guess this is why they say : "Incredible India"

Kobojunkie:
First of all, fibroids don't get worse with age since not all black women, even aged ones, get fibroids as they age. So, around claiming fibroids get worse with age is ignorance.

2. Fibroids are not over come by marrying girls off early. Your old age people lied to you. Even girls who have had children can also get fibroids. So marrying girls off early and causing them to have kids DOESN'T deter fibroids.

3. Fibroids doesn't necessarily stop a woman from getting pregnant. Many women with fibroids are still able to get pregnant..

4. None of these are truths! 😩😩😩😩

I quoted a journal of Medical science, they arent my words


Nearly a quarter of Black women between 18 and 30 have fibroids compared to about 6% of white women, according to some national estimates. By age 35, that number increases to 60%. Black women are also two to three times more likely to have recurring fibroids or suffer from complications
https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/understanding-racial-disparities-women-uterine-fibroids

Zocalite:
But you shouldn't have added 'it's the truth" to your comment

When you say it's the truth, then no variable added

Fibroid is a may happen, it only has risk factors

This is the truth, that
Statistically, Black women are more prone to having Fibroids than any other race in the world

You can confirm!



Nearly a quarter of Black women between 18 and 30 have fibroids compared to about 6% of white women, according to some national estimates. By age 35, that number increases to 60%. Black women are also two to three times more likely to have recurring fibroids or suffer from complications
https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/understanding-racial-disparities-women-uterine-fibroids

Kobojunkie:
Abeg, Get lost! 🙄🙄🙄

Who gave this one his certificate and made him a doctor abeg! All these quarks calling themselves doctors and experts.

Miss kobo,
Don't be emotional about this.
Statistically, Black women are more prone to having Fibroids than any other race in the world
Fibroids get worse with age especially over thirty years of age.

In the olden days, they overcame this by the girls marrying early (between 16 and 20 years): by the time Fibroid is setting in, they have already given birth to four/five children.




Of course, not every black woman will have fibroids, but its the truth!

JimRohn:
Your ignorance is only rivaled by your arrogance. You throw around verses and accusations like a blind man swinging in the dark, not realizing that your very Bible convicts you of hypocrisy.

> “You believed the lies of Muhammad!?”

No—I believe in the last and final Prophet of the One true God, the same God Jesus (peace be upon him) bowed to with his face on the ground. Meanwhile, you believe the lie that God became a man, bled, and died at the hands of His own creation, yet call that salvation? You worship a crucified man and then dare accuse others of believing lies?

Let’s dissect your sanctimonious list with your own book:

> What did Jesus teach about prayer?

He prayed like a Muslim:

“And he fell on his face and prayed” (Matthew 26:39).

When was the last time you fell on your face before God? Or do you pray like pagans—singing, dancing, and clapping?

Here are Buddhists aka Muslims praying

[img]https://buddhism.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/pic1-300x200.jpg[/img]

[img]https://mysakonnakhon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Buddhist-Prayer-Beads-with-Monk-1125x798.jpg.webp[/img]

Indeed, if this is how you pray, Buddhists are Muslims

JimRohn:
> What did Jesus teach about marriage?
He upheld the law:
“Think not that I came to abolish the law...” (Matthew 5:17).
That law allowed polygyny (multiple wives), which you now label immoral. So is Jesus immoral or are you just dishonest?
> What did Jesus teach about giving to God?
He taught sincerity:
“Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing” (Matthew 6:3).
Meanwhile, your modern churches have turned giving into a tax scam and a business, pimping Jesus for profit.
> What did Jesus teach about neighbors?
He said love them. Yet your countries have bombed entire Muslim nations, killing neighbors by the millions. Do you mean “love thy neighbor” or “drone thy neighbor”?
> What did Jesus teach about forgiveness?
He said to forgive—but you demand blood for sin! You don’t actually believe in God’s mercy. You believe He needs to watch someone die before He can forgive.

Did you notice how shamelessly you went into the "corrupt bible' to pick on what you thought Jesus taught?
Tell use what Jesus taught!

Unfortunately, we don't even know who ISA is: as definitely Isa cannot be Jesus the Christ!

JimRohn:
> What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

According to your own confusion, it’s either God, not God, or a person. Which one is it? The truth: the Holy Spirit is Jibreel (Gabriel), a mighty angel, not “God the Bird” floating around with dove wings.
Now to your real problem: the Qur’an destroys the lie of the trinity.

The Question was: What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

JimRohn:
> “No Christian says Allah is the third of three!”
Really? Then why is your Nicene Creed a trinitarian formula of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—one God in three Persons”? That is three persons = one god, a math problem no prophet ever preached.

Did the Trinitarian formula according to you thinking mean God, Son and Holy Spirit!?
OR
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

JimRohn:
Qur’an 5:73:
> “They are disbelievers who say: Allah is one of three…”

Stop lying. The Qur’an rebukes your false doctrines before you even open your mouth.

So, the simple challenge is for you to find us any sect (even heretic) of Christians who say God is the Third of THREE?

JimRohn:
> “If Allah is the third of three, who are the other two?”

That’s the point. He’s not. Allah says He is One, indivisible, without partner, child, or mother. Your confused theology is being exposed by divine revelation. Don't try to mock the Qur’an when it is exposing your pagan formulations.

Can't you answer a direct Question!
“If Allah is the third of three, who are the other two?”

JimRohn:
Now your most blasphemous claim:

> “There is no difference between Tawheed of Allah and Tawheed of Satan.”
Congratulations. You've crossed the line into full-blown kufr (disbelief). Satan never taught Tawheed, he taught rebellion. It is your trinity that resembles Satanic doctrine—dividing God into pieces, confusing people, and inviting them to worship the creation.

How many Iblis exist in the Universe?
Is he not ONE: just as Allah is ONE!?

There is not difference!

JimRohn:
> “Tawheed means Allah is not omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscient”

False. Tawheed affirms that Allah is absolutely omnipotent, all-knowing, and perfectly aware of everything. Your confusion arises because you think God must be physically inside creation to know about it—how small is your god?

Our Lord does not need to incarnate into a man, urinate, or be crucified to demonstrate power or knowledge. That’s your weakness, not ours.

Does Allah descend every third part of the Night to the lowest heaven listen to the prayers of you Muslims or not?
Is Allah not on his throne upon the waters which is above the seven heavens or not?

The implication of these two is that Allah is NOT Omnipresent sir!

It is a painful pill to swallow, but is it is the truth

JimRohn:
Final word:

If the Spirit of Truth were in you, you’d recognize Islam is the continuation and completion of the message of Jesus—who was a prophet, a servant, and a slave of God. But you’ve replaced monotheism with man-worship and then dared to mock those who call to the original message.

If Islam is a continuation, why do you reject the scriptures of the Jews and Christians?
Why is it that you do NOT know the purpose of the Messiah?
Why is it that you kiss the Blackstone against the law of Moses and Christ Jesus?
Why is it that islam is cascade of lies from the beginning to the end.

Sorry, you want to believe this , but it is a false religion that takes you straight to hell fire!

Islam is an amalgamation of several religions of the Jews, the Christians, the Sabeans, the Meccan Idolaters, the Buddhists etc.

JimRohn:
> “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free” (John 8:32)

The truth is La ilaha illAllah. There is no god but Allah. And Muhammad ﷺ is His final messenger.

You can mock, but your words only prove your defeat. Keep quoting the Bible—it buries your false creed deeper with every verse.

This is exactly why God never spoke once to Mohammed as other prophets of Old.

Allah has 99 names,
Is the name of the God of Mohammed or you Muslims YHWH?

JimRohn:
Why you people refuse to answer this question 👇

Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah or Mohammed?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

NairaLTQ:
Hello JimRohn :

The Nairaland Placed me under ban for the posts below. So, here it is again!

Don't skip this o Mr JimRohn

gohf:
not surprised Quran actually means recitation, it's probably why they recite it and not teach it, unlike the Torah that means teaching and instruction. It wasn't meant to be taught nor explain but recited and accepted as a saying that even they can't explain.

The problem is that as long as they have put their recitals in books, they should be able to present them as a permanent record.

After all, they now depend not on RECITATIONS but on WRITINGS of their Qur'an.

What are Muslims hiding from the world?

The Qur'an of Mohammed (7 Ahruf)
The Qur'an of Abubakar
The Qur'an of Uthman

This was why the resorted to making extant copies of the Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Hafs and not even as a COPY of any of their ORIGINALS.

They collected and wrote the Qur'an because recitations was failing them.

JimRohn:
It is not productive to respond to questions with more questions, especially when the same inquiries are being repeated multiple times.

If there is no intention to engage in a meaningful exchange, please let us know if you would prefer to end this conversation.

Sorry, the Questions are extremely important.

If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

gohf:
not surprised Quran actually means recitation, it's probably why they recite it and not teach it, unlike the Torah that means teaching and instruction. It wasn't meant to be taught nor explain but recited and accepted as a saying that even they can't explain.

So, since the Qur'an was written down and collected, where are the originals.
Who hid the book of Allah?
Could it be that the Qur'an was not entrusted to anyone?

Even though, you despise the Truth, maybe you should read these posts

https://www.nairaland.com/8058950/what-wrong-abubakars-quran-perfect

https://www.nairaland.com/8161547/evidence-ancient-qurans-different-modern

And for your word for word lies they told you, I will just show you a few perfect recitations of the Qur'an of Hafs and Warsh

https://www.nairaland.com/8163435/see-evidences-differences-warsh-quran

JimRohn:
➡️ Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere. Before I can answer the new question.

TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

So that we are on the same page

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah?

gohf:
wow you are tenq. Us expecting jimrohn to be forthright might just be a waste of time, I wish he or better still any truthful Muslim would answer this questions. Especially where is the original Quran text, the very first one.

jimrohn thinks that re-asserting his noises make him correct unfortunately, he isn't willing to think of the consequences of his claims.

gohf:
Seeing as unlike the Bible they claim doesn't have an original copy, surely they have their don't they.

They don't even have copies of copies of copies of the Uthmanic Qur'an. This is why they have to rely on the recitation of the Qur'an according to Hafs (and NOT a copy of the Qur'an of Uthman) who they all agree to be a fraud and a thief. The Hafs recitation of the Qur'an was made the standard text officially in 1924 with the publication of the Cairo edition under the patronage of Fuad I of Egypt.

Prior to this, there were several dozens of conflicting Arabic Qur'ans.

gohf:
From your exchange with jimrohn I have become confused as to if Muhammad could write or not, at first he said he couldn't but then he said being illiterate doesn't mean he couldn't write but that he wasn't educated in scripture, so therefore we should see it has a miracle that scripture came from him.

Mohammed could indeed read and write even though he had secretaries who wrote for him

https://www.nairaland.com/7805486/another-lie-islam-mohammed-sold

gohf:
I also noticed he did not deny that abubaka and uthman wrote in the Quran, I also asked some informed arabs online and they confirmed what you wrote.

This question you have posed is highly relevant, where is the original Quran text?

All the Qur'ans are missing.
The Qur'an of Mohammed (7 Ahruf)
The Qur'an of Abubakar
The Qur'an of Uthman

This was why the resorted to using the Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Hafs.

JimRohn:
You ask: “How do you know what Jesus preached?”

We know what Jesus (ʿĪsā عليه السلام) preached because Allah told us in the Qur’an, not from the council-edited confusion you call a Bible. Your Bible was tampered with by men — ours is preserved by God.

Jesus preached Tawheed — pure monotheism — and that’s exactly what the Qur’an affirms:

> "Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
— Qur’an 3:51

You believed the lies of Mohammed!?

What did Jesus teach about Prayers?
What did Jesus teach about Marriage?
What did Jesus teach about Giving to God?
What did Jesus teach about your Neighbours?
What did Jesus teach about Forgiveness?
What did Jesus teach about Faith?
What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

Please tell me, I am all ears!

JimRohn:
This is word-for-word what Jesus would have said — and it's the exact opposite of the Trinity lie you inherited from Rome, not from Christ.

You ask: “How did Jesus describe the Holy Spirit?”

Let’s turn the question around:

➡️ Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

In your own Bible, Jesus calls the Spirit a Helper, not God (John 14:16–17). A helper is not equal to the One who sends him.

Jesus never preached your man-made “third person of the Trinity” fiction. That’s a Roman invention, not divine revelation.

Is God not our helper?
Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Who is the Holy Spirit?

JimRohn:
You ask: “What is Trinity according to Allah?”
Simple.
> "They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.'"
— Qur’an 5:73
In Islam, the “Trinity” is rejected outright as a man-made shirk (polytheism). Allah is One, not three-in-one — not a partnership, not a divine committee.

Allah is WRONG with this Question. 0/100

Not one Christian say Allah is the third of three!

If Allah is the Third of THREE, who are the other TWO according to the Quran?

JimRohn:
You ask: “What is Trinity according to Christians?”
That’s the funniest part. Christians themselves don’t agree on it.
Some say God = Father + Son + Holy Spirit, “co-equal” and “co-eternal.”
Others say the Son is begotten but not created.
Still others say they’re not three gods but “one essence in three persons.”

How can you lie to yourself and be at peace except the spirit of lies dwell richly in you?
If Allah cannot define the trinity correctly, how much more his slaves!

JimRohn:
It's philosophical spaghetti — not scripture. Even your Bible never uses the word "Trinity" — not once. It was invented centuries after Jesus, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, under a pagan emperor.

Jesus never taught this nonsense. You worship a church doctrine, not the God of Jesus.
You ask: “What is the difference between the Tawheed of Allah and the Tawheed of Satan?”
Now this is pure foolishness — and blasphemy.

Taoheed is in the Quran!?
I saw it yesterday!

There is NO difference between the Taoheed of Allah and the Taoheed of Satan.
Not one difference!

JimRohn:
Let me educate you since you clearly don’t know the difference between Divine Monotheism and demonic lies:

⚔️ Tawheed of Allah:

Pure, indivisible Oneness of God.

No partners, no sons, no images, no idols.

Worship Allah alone, without mediators.

Exactly like satan!

JimRohn:
The creed of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad — all upon them be peace.

🔥 “Tawheed” of Satan? That’s your Trinity:

A fake god-man-spirit trio.

A “son” born of a woman, yet called God.

A god that dies, then comes back, yet is eternal.

Worshiping a human being who ate, slept, bled, and cried — and then calling that man “the Creator.”

That’s not monotheism — that’s idolatry.

Even Satan wouldn’t dare ascribe a son to God. That’s your work.

> “And they say, ‘The Most Merciful has taken a son.’ You have said a monstrous thing."
— Qur’an 19:88–89

🔚 Final Word:

You come to Muslims quoting a Book that:

Was written decades after Jesus,

Was edited, censored, and corrupted,

Contains contradictions, pagan inserts, and forged epistles,

Yet you think you’re qualified to question the Qur’an?

Jesus (ʿalayhi as-salām) worshipped One God. You worship a man, call him God, then pretend that’s what Jesus taught?

You’ve inherited a false creed and you’re too arrogant to admit it.

Tawheed is the truth of all Prophets. Trinity is the lie of church councils.

Pick your side.


BibleInterpreta AntiChristian TenQ CreativeOrbit gofh honesttalk21

The implication of the Taoheed is terribly against Allah
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omnipresent
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omnipotent
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omniscient

This is a serious problem!

honesttalk21:
Perhaps you should first clarify if it's إلا or إِلَه you are referring to




To put all your expose in perspective please tell if demons exist and where they originate from.

We will take it from there.

Is it untrue that Allah mean God in Arabic?
Do you deny the relationship between Allah/Illah (Arabic) , El-oah (Hebrew) and Elah (Aramaic) ?


And I have answered your questions
Demons exist
Demons originate from the spirits of nephilims

Hello JimRohn :
Continuation C

mach7:
This is escalating seriously.

There are things to be said, but I am just to tired to say it.

Russia has fought and is fighting an enemy that is very deceptive, very disingenuous, and very snakelike. That enemy is the collective west who are using Ukraine as a proxy.

I will be a realist and admit, Russia will not be able to win. Not because they don't have the ability, but because they don't have the will.

A lot of things that Ukraine has done, if 1% of it was done against the USA, nuclear bombs will have been released a long time ago.

When will you stop this nonsense rhetoric about the West against Russia when you know that USA through Trump is a puppet of Putin!