₦airaland Forum

Afam4eva: You're not even ashamed to name these people who made their name in America. If Britain is so good then why are they flocking to America? That shows that America is an open society and welcome colored people even those from outside the country.

Old man don't forget that whites in Europe have their own music and comedy shows. Why should they all appreciate hip-hop anyway?
Anyway the biggest market for entertainment is still America mainly because of its diversity and size of the economy and hence market.

Afam4eva: Are there more thriving immigrants in the UK than in America?

They are not the same. America was built by immigrants remember. The indigenous Americans were the Red Indians who are a very small minority now. Blacks first came to America hundreds of years ago during the slave trade. Really what has stopped them from thriving after the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement? It is not racism holding them back.They form 13% of the population
As for England you need to understand that there are very few blacks and majority of these are from the West Indies who have a much more laidback culture.
Nigerians that came to England in the 60s and 70s just came for training and education after which majority they went back home unlike the Asians who stayed. The likes of Umunna are of mixed parentage anyway.
However educated Nigerians started coming over to England permanently in the 90's as a result of employment pressures back home. Many of these people have been able to secure good jobs.
All in all blacks form just 3% of the UK population.
However the truth is that the Asian community who form about 10% are thriving.

bee444: You guys don't get it, do you? Nigerians need oneness..just like the Asians. The few Nigerians making it abroad should try and help their fellow countrymen to make it just like the Indians, Pakis and the rest. I see how boastful some of you are. The uncle toms of slavery are returning and praising the country that is humiliating and debacle its fellow Nigerians.
Just because some of you are doing well does not eliminate the racism in the UK. I don't want to hear Mr A is making it or Mr B is doing well, what happened to the majority of those who aren't as lucky as you lot? Just thank God for yourself and pray for the rest. Speak for yourself and let others who have been through hell and seen racism at first hand continue to pour out their hearts to God and those beside them.

Crap post. If England were so racist how come there are so many thriving immigrants from all over the world. If some people come here without papers or their papers expire how can they blame racism for their predicament?
Again it is silly to have a go at a successful Nigerian professional who is just saying the truth about employment patterns in England. After all you lot were coming up with lies about how most people are suffering.
How do you know he has not helped people back home anyway.

redsun: America is crudely racist,people know their places and get on with it the best ways they can.While uk is refinely racist and it tend to leave the people confuse of what their places in the society are.

Europe is not America and the culture and society are very different. I would never generalize but USA is more racially segregated than Europe. They also have the legacy of slavery. But that is not the reason why blacks in America have challenges when other ethnic minorities are thriving
In England the whites are still the overwhelming majority especially outside London. However they are too intelligent and refined to act racist.

Sweetlemon: Like you have indirectly confimed, the highest Uche can go to being the prime minister is by being "tipped"!
Look, man, just drop it ok, if you are a hard working guy in the U.K, good for you, I respect your determination in trying to get a better life for yourself. It doesn't mean you should start overbloating things at your end or undermining things at other people's end just to convince yourself that you are in the right place!

Maybe Gustavo is just saying it as it is. I don't see him as undermining anyone. He had to correct the false impression you gave that majority of blacks are racism victims. That is absolute nonsense.
However if any Nigerian immigrant feels undermined by the truth he is simply playing the victim card which won't lead him anywhere.

cap28: The issue of Asians opening shops in black areas is a big problem which needs to be addressed by black people, as far as I am aware no black person can set up shop in an Asian neighbourhood and expect to be successful so I see no reason why Asians should be allowed to run flourishing businesses in black neighbourhoods, especially given the fact that Asians can not stand black people.
I think the reason blacks patronise Asian shops in black areas goes back to the low self esteem we collectively suffer whereby we accord more respect to foreigners than to each other - this is a legacy of slavery and colonialism.

Is that really an issue. How about the white English who are the majority? We need to be realistic and recognize that Asians are perhaps temperamentally better suited to owning these kind small shops than hard-edged blacks who are mainly looking at how to get on as individuals.
They also have a cooperative extended family system that provides capital, finance, custom, marketing and staffing that enables these businesses to thrive.

Segzy23: Sir, i have to tell you that you are misinformed.

I am not sure where you got your 1% stats from. I am sure for you, the world of Nigerians in the UK ends at Peckham. I could take you into my office and you will see many black people doing alright. Whilst we are not as many as the Indians or the Aussies, we are still much more than your 1 in 100 stat. Spending a day outside of some offices after closing time could enlighten you a bit

True that. Many Nigerian tourists think they can get a proper idea of employment patterns amongst Nigerians in UK simply by strolling down Peckham High Street.
It doesn't work like that as these are just front office jobs. Meanwhile there are loads of Nigerians employed in investment banking law, Accountancy and IT whom you would never guess just by strolling down the High Street.

cap28: The majority of Nigerians who started coming to this country from the 1990s onwards came as economic refugees fleeing the economic policies of the IMF that were implemented by IBB in Nigeria, this group started doing the unskilled jobs that the second generation west Indians would not do eg working in the London underground, security guards, hospital porters etc.

I don't know what you are on about. That also is their choice remember They don't have to remain as security guards or kitchen porters but even if they do what has that got to do with racism when their contemporaries that came over as post graduate students or highly skilled migrants still got very good jobs.
What are you on about Cap?

souldust: Nigerians/Africans do not lack family values, we do not lack togetherness. Last time i checked, we still value the marital institution. This is why a lady approaching 30 and is not married yet, becomes desperate. Family has always being the core of the African society, fact!
If we lack discipline and all the what nots, why then are we still sustainaing ourselves even though we do not boast of a 24hrs power supply?

That is not the point he was making. He was talking of the close knit cooperative network that enables the Asians and Indians to thrive as Communities.
We all know that Nigerians have strong family values.

Sweetlemon: LMAO at the people arguing here so tey dem dey copy and paste things they know anything about!
Obviously the people speaking in favour of U.K are Nigerians living in denial in the U.K. There are so many of them like that there. They like to put up the "we are living the life" attitude for us over here, only for you to go there and see things for yourself! Lol!
Abeg! The coloured people having things good in the U.K are either full citizens or rich people who spend good money there! If you wanna live in the U.K as a non-citizen. OYO l'o wa!

You are just trolling. However if the person hasn't got papers let him go home. What has that got to do with racism?
England is not America who can still afford to absorb large numbers of immigrants

Segzy23: That is because Africans are not entrepreneurial as Asians. That is the truth. I see how they do their business, they help each other out and they understand what it takes to be a businessman/woman. See, if whites are more inclined to help Asians, it is because they are doing better. If you are a consultant, you will be more inclined to help clients who have a partial solution to their problems than those who are clueless about their problem. That is the way it works.
If they see blacks or a certain group of people as not working hard enough, or lazy, then they will be more willing to help others who are hardworking. Why do you think in black areas, when an African opens an African store/shop, and an Asian opens another store near buy selling the same stuff, more black people tend to buy their African stuff from the Asian shop. Why is that happening? Also, from my observations, most of the supplies to the African shops are done by Asian. Why are blacks not supplying black stores?

We should distiguish between the Afro Carribeans and Nigerians. The former came to England to fill shortages in the NHS and London Transport. Majority of these Jamaicans have never been able to break out of this working class mould due to their own aspirational issues and educational challenges not to talk of family breakdown. Their own struggles have nothing to do with racism.
Nigerians come here as professionals not traders. There is no issue with that really as the UK is large and developed to employ these professionals with good salaries.
Some other Nigerians simply don't have the right set of papers to get a proper job of work here.

Segzy23: Dude, not sure you got my point, in your disagreement you actually proved my point. You said Indians are very highly educated, my point was education is paramount to getting the top jobs. And from there you can own your business or start something. I am not talking about N generation or whatever generation.

They, the first generation Indian immigrants were not educated when they came here. That is why they had to find menial jobs or set up their own small scale business.
However they are very disciplined with strong family values and communal ties with the foresight to recognise the value of education. These factors have enabled the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants to make great advances.

paris10: Im happy for you for doing well. But pls lets cut the crap aiit! Just because you're doing well doesnt mean whats been said about UK negatively isnt right..do u get that?

You're part of the less than 1% of Nigerians enjoying life over there... and the rest, well, they just making up the numbers.

Look around your org and the rest of the firms in the city of London you profess you know well...Its always 100/1 (100 of whites and just 1 black man).. this is done to satisfy the equal opportunity code crap thats been put in place.

You can't just generalise like that.There are plenty of Blacks and Asians who are doing well. The truth is that nobody owes anybody a living here . Its up to the individual to make a success of his life. That starts from paying attention to education and training to being professional at work.
It is also a matter of having the right set of papers. So many illegals here are better off going back home.

Afam4eva: Are you referring to Chuka Umunna? Let him become the PM first. Until then, as things stand, the UK seems more institutionally biased towards minority groups.

I hate the boring BBC though.

You are full of hate though. There are still plenty of opportunities for ethnic minorities here regardless of what happens to Umunna. And why should he be PM for that matter? There are other more qualified candidates.

Segzy23: I have to agree with you. You need something to start with, it is all well saying Blacks are not in High positions, but no one will put them in high positions if they don't have the skills. Education is one of the key raw ingredient needed to get people into top jobs, when they become directors, CEOs, they can start their own business and then be employers.

The Asians are doing it, many of them started as Doctors, IT consultants etc before owning their shops or businesses. You need to start from somewhere.

That's wrong. The Asians came to england as small scale businessmen. But the second generation Indians are very highly educated. That is why you see them well represented in the top jobs in Law, Medicine,Accountancy and Finance

Afam4eva: Bunkum!

Those people are where they are because they worked for it. The American society gave them that opportunity to succeed which they have done and that opportunity is available to a lot of black people via affirmative action but only the sensible ones are making use of it. We can't keep blaming the white people forever. They used their own hand to stop slavery, segregation and have put black people at an advantage due to the injustice done them in the past and common sense suggests that i will take a lot of time before Black people will catch up with the whites and there's progress in that regard else Barrack Obama wouldn't be the president of America. The truth is still remains that black people in America tend to be more successful than their counterparts in the UK and that's because the society affords them that. You can't say that society is racist, can you?

I am tired of your anti British rantings and ravings. What do you know about England? The truth is that there are not many blacks in the UK(3% of the population) and majority of them are of West Indian extraction who came to England in the 1950s and 1960s to fill blue collar jobs in the Transport and Health sectors. These West Indians,especially the males have remained working class up till today mainly because of their own aspirational levels and educational challenges.
Nigerians came later as students who later became professionals and then went back to Nigeria. However Nigerians that do come here today tend to be graduates and have no difficulty in getting white collar jobs.
The key issue affecting employment in the UK is education and skills competence not skin colour.

ndu_chucks: The problem with people like Odumakin is essentially ignorance of the machinations of democracy. While freedom of speech is guaranteed in the constitution, utterances such as the one made by OBJ in his letter, and by Odumakin in his article, should promptly cause an immediate invitation and vigorous interview by the SSS, for clarification.
We have OBJ, Odumakin, Asari, Boko Haram, and others running amok and making threats against the Nigerian people, yet the commander-in-chief appears impotent in dealing with these threats.
The truth of the matter is, the feared coup has already taken place and it was orchestrated by the Presiden'ts own advisers. No time in the history of Nigeria has any head of state enjoyed so little goodwill among the masses. The handwriting is already on the wall - this regime is a goner.
The National Conference is useless as long as we have a constitution and the national assembly who make our laws. Ironically, it is the very coup which Odumakin is worried about, which can cause the dissolution of NASS and force the convening of a Sovereign National Conference.
Nigerians will welcome such a coup with open arms. It is my view, however, that this coup is not forthcoming, our best bet for now is a democratic regime change. APC may be our very last hope. May the New Year bring glad tidings of joy to all Nigerians.

We don't need a coup right now. I would like to believe that Nigeria has grown beyond the stage of arbitrary rule, detention without trial, rule by decree, and disorderly/violent change of government. Let the military concentrate on facing up to our country's numerous security challenges and leave politics to the politicians.
Ironically any lame attempt by the current regime to convene a national conference would just send the signal to the military that the politicians are not responsible, clueless and/or are tired of ruling. A coup then becomes inevitable.

Rexxie: Just listin to urself,you guys are spending n wasting huge amounts copying da American style of govt but are fully practicing TRUE FEDERALISM to d letter as done in those great nations you mentioned,where resource control obtains,where owners of resources trade 50 to d govt? u bawled at someone to shut up but in actual fact,you should SHUT DA HELL UP N GET THAT TALKIN',RAPPIN' ARSSE OUTTA HERE..

Americans are Republicans in outlook remember. The driver of the American economy is the private sector They are not dependent upon handouts and jobs from the Federal Government.
However if you think there will ever be a day when the Federal Government would give up its sovereignty over the oilfields and offshore oil deposits then you are really living in cloud-cuckoo land.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1]The amount budget for it clears tells you it is a fraud to begin with! If people truly love nigeria, then let them sacrifice and come to that conference with their own belly! After all, when the committee went round Nigeria, were people paid to come submit their memorandum? Were there not lawyers in those gatherings?
N7bn for group of inconsequential men and women to gather for things we already know, have been discussed and already have practical solutions proposed about is a monumental waste that characterize GEJ's government. To think that less than 10years ago Obasanjo held similar conference with less than N1bn and nothing came out of it, this same GEJ wants to spend x7 of that to hold his own.
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There is no need for such a conference anyway not to talk of spending a whole seven billon naira just talking. How many constitutional or national conferences does Nigeria want to host anyway There have been too many of them already.
And this is a country where rural areas are still lacking in basic infrastructure in terms of good schools, tarred roads and pipe borne water. It is time for Nigerians to pressure their leaders at the local and state level to provide proper quality services and stop POLITICKING.

Rexxie: Only enemies of d land would be at ease wit d current status quo of that land of strange bed fellows n its obvious u one of them..u guys need that conference more than anything else n it gotta b SOVEREIGN

You may be a talkative, from your posts. However mere talking won't solve Nigeria's challenges.

fkaz: Either by coup or national conference, Nigeria need to be re-structured or dis-integrated and any of the above will surely foster it. Nigeria av reach it peak, no need to pretend about our unity, we are not meant to be together. So obj should come up with anything, he is welcome.

Will you just SHUT UP. Is Nigeria bigger than countries like Canada, USA and Russia that practise federalism?

omusiliyu: National conference is a must, afterall they've budgetted #7B for it, or can they avert the money back. 100lawyers cant make such money for 10years, is what some few people will make in few months... NAIGERIYA

There will never ever be a national conference in Nigeria. Any regime that makes the mistake of assenting to such a conference is merely signing its own death warrant.

noblezone: Nigeria is expiring in less than 24 hours. And only the brutal force of the military can keep the fraud of a country together!
The national conference is an attempt by Jonathan to save Nigeria.
OBJ and his constituency of internal colonial masters will loose the biggest when Nigeria disintegrates.
Read his letter again and you will see that he was actually after the national conference. The other things he mentioned was to decieve the gullible,

Daft argument. Nigeria does not need any national conference as the sovereignty and unity of Nigeria is non-negotiable. What we do need is good governance particularly at the state and local level. Another talkshop won't bring that to pass so why waste valuable resources.
There is nothing whatsoever wrong with the constitution or the existing federal framework. We just need competent leadership at all levels of Government and society.

bisiopinion: The day my father died, I learnt a wonderful lesson. If you want security, you better work damn hard and even when you work damn hard, anything can happen. Use your hands, use your brain; creativity, knowledge to the best of your ability and live your life. I do not have to depend on a man to eat and survive. Being in a relationship is a bonus in life...my life goes on, man or no man.

Well life goes on even as we learn everyday. The thing is Bisi unfortunate as widohood is to the wife and children, fancy living in a relationship beset with continuous uncertainty. In criminal justice terms it can be likened to detention without trial for the woman as she really does not know what the man's intentions are.
In the former case the detainee does not know when he will be released from captivity. In the latter case the cohabiting woman has no idea whether she will be proposed to or unceremoniously dumped.

Sagamite: What kind of due consideration would you say one has to have for people?

Should that be uniform or selective?

Being considerate means being intelligent enough to realise that she won't get all she wants from the man all the time, and that she is flexible enough to make the necessary adjustments.
As for your second question, well on this thread we are on about boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. So the emphasis should be in that domain to be sure though of course it should extend well beyond that to the wider public as well.

Sagamite: Can you please give your own definition of nice?

Well a polite well-mannered person who acts with due consideration, understanding and class.

bleeper: @OP, first, let me say that your "title" is a fallacy of hasty generalisation. Nice girls are often appreciated by smart guys who can see through the deception of most ladies. These girls eventually get married to very good husbands every now and again!!

The challenge most times with the so called "nice girls" whom you are referrring to is deception. They pretend to be nice; they speak with cool, bed-room like voices, appear calm on the surface, almost agreeable on most issues etc. But behind all these seemingly nice traits is their insatiable thirst for money and sex.

Instances abound of these type of girls. Then, people like the OP would wonder why such girls are dumped. If not for space and time, I would have shared several instances, but let me share this one:

Had this babe, cool to the bone, so it seemed. Introduced her to my boy friends. All came back to tell me at different times of their exploits with her. Some even went as far as describing some of her moves behind closed doors to confirm their stories. What did I do? I calmly called it quits with her. She is still unmarried, though beautiful, brilliant (Chartered Accountant), confident etc. Why, because most guys that are willing to settle down have learnt to look beyond appearance. On the flip side, a discerning guy would rather marry a known devil "a not so nice girl" to an angel "the devil incarnate".

My submission: There are genuine nice girls getting hooked to cool husbands everyday. Girls should quit deception if they want happy relationships as guys are now one million times wiser!

A nasty episode.But did you even discuss with the girl what your friends were saying about her. But if this girl is truly what your friends are saying she is then what makes her nice in the first place. A nice girl should be nice enough to herself not to play the harlot game.
There is nothing nice about being greedy either.
I surmise that you didn't really know the girl before calling her nice and typically were mistaking mere politeness with strangers for goodness

bisiopinion: I've never slept with a random man in my life, what are you talking about?
The idea that in order for a man and woman to care for each other under one roof requires marriage is ridiculous. Cohabitation anyone?

Well you do have strong opinions Bisi but unfortunately on this thread you are just playing the devil's advocate.
You shouldn't even be engaging in premarital sex anyway so whether you are sleeping with one man or a dozen men is pretty much irrelevant as far as this discussion is concerned.
Cohabitation does not give the female the requisite level of security, puts the lives and futures of unborn and born children in jeopardy and at the level of interpretation it insiduously promotes the satanic idea that the marital union main purpose is companionship as opposed to procreation and family building.
We are seeing the effects of this in black working class neighbourhoods in the West with multiple abortions, teen pregnancy, domestic violence and fatherless households.

bisiopinion: lord. Grammar police 2. Just saw this. Nope, I don't see myself getting married. I never said I don't believe in it.

As I said before you need to flush out of your mind all this satanic extreme feminist literature you've been reading and get a Life-the life of Jesus.
God created man in his own image,in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them

vickyO: Isn't that too harsh coming from a Christian??

It was meant to be harsh Vicky. The thing is she kept going on about how her views on premarital sex are neutral and not based on relgion whereas her own real religion is Western Decadent Post-Modernism where individualism and consent reign supreme.

shejane: Some nice gals wil thk if I wash his clothes he wil thk am cheap
If I cook 4 him he wil thk am forcing mysef on him
If I show him wild s.. Somtyms he will thk am lose
If I dress sexy jus 4 him he wil thk am a slut
Is gud 2b careful bt nt over careful

What's your own? There is need of acting desperate by playing the maid game. And certainly no need for fornication either. If he is serious he will wait until the marriage night.
Just respect yourself and respect the courtship.

Ladybianca: i don't necessarily nid to form a bad gal to achieve my NICE NAUTHY/CRAZY LADY goal u knw...... i wud just try b more fun to b with and always happy wit myself instead of wallowing in self pity

I don't necessarily agree with that as reasonable as it sounds. The thing is Bianca there is a way which seems right to a woman but the end thereof is destruction.
Better to fast, pray and wait on the Lord. Then your strength will be renewed and your correct suitor will emerge.
On the other hand it appears that successful on the rebound relationships mainly occur in the movies.