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LordAdamX:
Oh, salary was a big issue. Perez delayed salary talks for 18 months. And you don't know what was in Perez mind when he bought Hazard. This is a man who was so clueless that he bought Mariano as a replacement for Ronaldo (and gave him the #7 jersey) and sacked Lope because according to him he was unable to utilize a team with several players who were shortlisted in the Balon D'Or team of the season. The same players who would later crash out of all competitions in a single week.

The salary was not an excuse.

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You cannot say it had NOTHING to do with what happened on the field, when he publicly criticized the front office on transfer policy.

The friction between Perez and Ronaldo did not start in 2018. It was a perennial niggle but he did not leave until our sporting situation looked like it'd spiral out of control. He had already been booed in the Bernabeu because there was a section of the fanbase that believed he was part of the glaring problems. Yet there was no sense of urgency from the front office to remedy the problems. It was after the Lope catastrophe that Perez saw what everyone else was seeing.

Zidane left too. Neither Zidane nor Ronaldo would have left if RM still looked like world beaters. That's the reason I said CR7 time with us had ended. You either die a hero, or live long enough to be the villain. Messi is living out the latter part.

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Dazzall. Of course, the blame does not ONLY rest on Messi.

My issue is with the "exoneration" by his fans of ANY culpability. After FIVE consecutive years of embarassments... That makes no sense!

Seriously, a coach with a working brain, change in mentality, 2-3 new players and this Barca team will be VERY different.

-Lord

Sorry for exonerating him. He has had his own short comings.

Now that Barca had become shiit, he should do like Ronaldo and flee.

At least we can agree that he's the only ancestor at Barca who can stroll into any first team in Europe with them saying 'Abeg.'

They've all sunk at Barca and he's about the only one who could choose to not sink with them.

Barca can then rebuild with Griezman and Ansu Fati.

Wetin be my own sef.?

haymekus:
Atleast they have been very good all season long and showed no form of decline, when was the last time/ how many times has Suarez or Vidal or Alba or ratishit put up a 8/10 performance this season


I hope wen we get a good coach with balls, and he kicks out these ancestors, you’ll follow them out of this team

It's already a consensus that Alba, Pique, Busquets, Rakitic, Vidal and co have to go.

So be specific. Stop hiding behind the term "ancestors"


Entire team form aside, which of the 'ancestors' over at Bayern is better than Messi, or has been better than Messi in the last 5 years?
Muller or Lewandowsky?


Grow some balls and henceforth say "kick Messi out of Barca"


Damn, All these viewing centre fans wey we get here sef.
Covid nor let una dey see match watch again. Watch highlights and think you have become a football luminary.

LordAdamX:
Not having sufficient back-up is very different from teammates are not good enough.

And he read the riot act; not stay, swallow fat salary, protect his friends in the team, drop consecutive disasterclass for 5 years straight; then turn around and play the victim.

Staying is easy. Just sign a new contract.

However, if you're choosing to stay, then you must be part of the solution to whatever problems exist. Not making the problems worse which is clearly the case here.

Anyway, I don't have any skin in the game. It's your club, he's your MCM, and you can continue to exonerate him. Next year Barto will be voted out and if Barca is lucky, his replacement will not be a brown noser. It's just unfortunate you have someone like Messi in your team and all this calamity is progressing at a frightening rate while he's behaving like a bystander.

Even Pique is saying if change is coming, he'd volunteer for it to start with him. That's Pique o, not Maldini.

-Lord

LordAdamX:
Not having sufficient back-up is very different from teammates are not good enough.

And he read the riot act; not stay, swallow fat salary, protect his friends in the team, drop consecutive disasterclass for 5 years straight; then turn around and play the victim.

Staying is easy. Just sign a new contract.

However, if you're choosing to stay, then you must be part of the solution to whatever problems exist. Not making the problems worse which is clearly the case here.

Anyway, I don't have any skin in the game. It's your club, he's your MCM, and you can continue to exonerate him. Next year Barto will be voted out and if Barca is lucky, his replacement will not be a brown noser. It's just unfortunate you have someone like Messi in your team and all this calamity is progressing at a frightening rate while he's behaving like a bystander.

Even Pique is saying if change is coming, he'd volunteer for it to start with him. That's Pique o, not Maldini.

-Lord

Seriously no need for long turenchi.

This argument has derailed too much.

The bottom line is; If I was Messi I would have quit Barca a long time ago.

And if I was his dad I would literally drag him out of Barca and get him a deal elsewhere at PSG, Man City, Juve or even Bayern.
Even Real Madrid sef.

That's what other superstars do.

They quit and run as soon as they realise that the quality in their team is dwindling, the coaches are bum coaches or the boards are disorganized.

All he needs to do is say the word and the best teams in Europe will come begging for him.

The guy sef dey kolo. Let him stay na and kill himself.

haymekus:
Sell all these ancestors then give MATS the captain armband

Even the team that dismantled you yesterday had at least 3 ancestors in it.

LordAdamX:
So if you're given the choice of losing by 1 goal to semi-finalist Ajax, losing by an away goal to semi-finalist Lyon and losing by 3 unreplied goals to Juve, 3 unreplied goals to Roma, 4 unreplied goals to Liverpool, and a whooping 8 goals to Bayern; you'd choose the latter?

You're not just losing, you're falling apart and bottling on a yearly basis. But according to you, leadership is overrated.

Don't worry, if the last five years is any indication, Barca would do something worse than this 8 2 loss next year. Don't ask me what it is, I'm waiting for you guys and Messi to surprise me.

Last last, Messi fans truly deserve this horrible run of events. I don't know if Barcelona as a club deserves it, but the way you make your bed...

-Lord

Ooh I get it now;

His own leadership is not to lead the team to win the champions league.

But to lead his team to not lose by more than one goal or only lose by the way goals rule.

Pardon me, I understand it better now.

Sommyroy10:
Oh, that what happened? I just saw the guy fall, I focused on the offside part and it seems that's what the officials were focusing on too. If that's what happened, very unfortunate.

High line against quick strong players na gamble oh, those Lyon players look like mini rugby players.

He clipped his legs and that's why he fell.

LordAdamX:
The falling out is what a non-RM fan will see.

Look closely and you'd realize it was much more than that. Ronaldo wanted to leave for the same reason Zidane left. On the one hand, there was the salary issue, but on the other hand there was the sporting issue. If we hadn't won the UCL in his last season, we'd have ended the season trophyless. We lost the league to the worst Barca team up to that point, were harangued out of the CdR and there were humongous issues in the team.

Earlier in the season Ronaldo criticized the front office for not having sufficient back-up; particularly with Morata and James. He knew if he had stayed, what's happening to Messi now will happen to him. All that Lopetegui and Solari drama, na CR7 name dem go dey call up and down.

Ron's exit is the Madrid way. I wouldn't call it unceremonious. The Balon D'Or was to keep Modric who was on his way to Inter Milan. Now Modric is about to be discarded like Perez had planned to do to Ronaldo if he hadn't pushed to leave.

All parties, Juve, RM, and Ronaldo got something positive out of the deal. There's no guarantee that Juve without Ronaldo would have won the UCL instead of Liverpool last year and this year no one is getting past Bayern. There's no guarantee either that RM with Ronaldo would have won the UCL in both years either... It's hard to keep winning after 3 consecutive successful runs. And Ronaldo gets his salary and a grateful board.

Barcelona's problem is multi-faceted, so it's easy for anyone to pick one party and build a case against them while shielding another party.

I refuse to buy this idea that a player of Messi's standing in Barcelona has very little if any blame in their current predicament. Talisman, captain, and club legend is not only about receiving fat salary and having club official accounts like your wife's social media post. He is either part of the solution or part of the problem; right now it doesn't look like the former.

-Lord

Points to decipher from the bolded portion above.


Ronaldo knew his team mates were not good enough.

He didn't want what happened to Messi to happen to him.

He left to avoid the humiliation Messi is facing today.

But Messi refuses to leave the last 5 years because he felt loyal and thought he could do it all by himself even with under performing
players.

So Messi actually refused to leave despite seeing that the team was deteriorating.

You've said it all.

Case closed.

Sommyroy10:
imagine missing clear cut chances and then conceding immediately, twice. Chaii Sterling

How in this earth did VAR not cancel Lyon's second goal?

The guy who scored clipped the heels of his marker and then went on to score.

Was that not a scandal?

LordAdamX:
Why should a team with Dembele, Griezmann, Coutinho, FdJ, Arthur, Puig, and Fati be over-reliant on Messi?

Is that not a problem? If it's a problem, what has Messi done about it instead of establishing a Messi and Friends Old Boys Association?

You folks will be talking about the over-dependency like it started today or Messi is not directly contributing to it.

And I don't think you should be using the board as a yardstick. If Barto tells me it's about to rain, I'll carry sunglasses instead of an umbrella.

Messi is ruining his legacy and it has nothing to do with seeking a challenge. It's about responsibility. Two seasons back, I was here talking about how Messi is not a leader and it's why I don't rate him much, many cules were saying it's overrated and I'm picking on him because he's not expressive. Here we are two years later and he captained a 8-2 dismantling.

And right on cue, the Messi FC response is "he doesn't deserve this"...

This is not 1 or 2 yrs, na 5 years...

-Lord

Bolded

Why should they be over reliant on Messi?

Cus they lazy as fuuuuck. That's why.

We saw how Neymar came along and that dependency was reduced.
Even with Dembele there were good signs but he was hampered by injuries.

Neymar and Dembele brought a new dimension to Barca.

The rest simply couldn't cut it.

Take last season as case study.

Messi scored over 10 goals in the UCL plus 2 against Liverpool.
Barca had 2 own goals I think.
Then Suarez had 1 goal or something.
Those were all thw goals scored by Barca in the UCL.


As for your question; What has Messi done about it?
This is ridiculous! Is there an answer to this?
Done about it as the team coach or as board director? Which? Lol.


Which one is 1 year or 2 years or 5 years?
Is it Messi that keeps breaking Dembele's legs?

Or is it Messi that turned Arthur into a round about midfielder.

Or is it Messi that makes Griezman unable to buy a goal to save his career?

Whether you like it or not Messi and to an extent Ter Stagen have contributed 80 percent to this Barca side for the past 5 years while the entire team have not contributed more than 20 percent.

It's all too glaring to see.

It's become a cliche to say that Barca's problem is Messi-dependence which means we must exhornorate him.
And that you must do willy nilly.
You must be about the only guy on the planet who hasn't heard about Messi-dependence.

Even Rio Ferdinand was on International TV talking about it last night and urging Messi to dump the club Barca so he doesn't waste his last years.

And like I said before if I were Messi would leave the club immediately.
I won't sink any further with a bunch of players collecting salary and setting me back when there are many top clubs willing to pay me well with a guarantee of winning major trophies.

Leader or no leader if you win you win.
If you dont win you lose.
It doesn't stop you from winning.

We saw one leader get dumped out by small Ajax last season.
We saw one leader get dumped out by Lyon this season.

Mydockay:
For next season


-------------------------Griezmann(ST)---------------------------


Coutinho(LW)---------------------------------------Messi(RW)


------De Jong ----------Pjanic----------------Puig--------------


Alba-------------Lenglet------------Todibo---------Semedo


We don't need any new transfers except a Semedo replacement

SELL - Busquets (Useless against fast teams), Rakitic (useless square), Vidal (headless), Suarez (Too slow), Roberto (overdue for sale)

BENCH: Semedo (Bring in main RB), Pique, Dembele (unless fit), Fati

Dembele can never be fit.

We need to buy a striker. (Very important).

NegroAcheiver:
Para Para.

Such bad hand writing..

I wonder how this one fares in their field of endeavor.

Maybe young and lazy.

Nuttella:
I guess I didnt present the question in a good way. Thanks for the kind reply.

Thanks for the kind reply?

Why not also say sorry for the wrong presentation?

Seems Bernado Silva fell out of favour?

Prefers Marhez?

obonujoker:
He's not intelligent... He just a Messi ass licker who lies with a twisting tongue

E pain am.

Adiwana:
Ronaldo left cause he had a falling out with Madrid not cause he wanted to leave. We saw how the whole Balon dor and his unceremonious exist went. Besides they could afford to lose him knowing fully well Benzema,Ramos were still producing results. Bale just scored goal of the season and with his rant and inclusion of Hazard,Madrid could easily afford to lose Ronaldo

Juve buying him was perfect business for both clubs. Madrid could afford to let him go after all 3 Champions leagues were already in the bag and Juve just needed that final piece in the puzzle

Barca on the other hand is in a way different mess. Losing Neymar,Valverde being at the helm of affairs even after showing he had no business with this club.,Suarez is now a bad player but for God knows what still starts ours games Falling out between players and club administrators,spending big on players that the club has clearly no plans for etc. Way different situations

I also think that Madrid did a miscalculation.

They noticed that 4 years after signing Ronaldo they still couldn't win the UCL.

So they signed Bale and won the UCL immediately.

They prolly thought that Bale could do it all alone.

At the end they realised that Bale, Ronaldo, Ramos and the entire team needed one another to do their B2B2B.

The consequence of their divorce is that everybody moved on and became serial failures in their quests for UCL glory.

LordAdamX:
You dey use back hold dam wen 1 burst. Don't say you were not warned.

2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, now 2020. That's five straight years that Messi has been unceremoniously bundled out from UCL. Same Barcelona team.

If this repeats next year, na your fellow cules go begin loud am say e don overdue to comot. And you Messi fans will not be able to stop it. The sentiment is already there. It's bubbling underneath. Every FCB online community has a rapidly rising half who feel the same way. Many are masking it with "other players are awful so he should leave." Very soon na finger dem go start dey point.

Madrid, Juve, and Barca are not on the same page at all. No let results deceive you.

Madrid is rebuilding and things are already looking up.

You can't replace a player like Ronaldo. His time with us has ended. And getting to the UCL SF consecutively is not the norm for any club. That consistency is only possible when stars align. Elite clubs with WC players fumble all the time. That's perfectly normal. Look at Bayern: After this yr, dem go cold. Like Liverpool don cold after two years. Then until 3-5 years before things go click again.

That's where Madrid is at now. And have two trophies, an elite core, and a legendary manager to show for it.

Juve has been punching above their weight. If it wasn't for Allegri's masterclass and a very good core, they had no business getting to 2 UCL finals.

They got Ronaldo for 2 reasons. Commercial appeal to raise revenues and out of desperation after 24 years of lack of success in the UCL. They've got the first. They might yet get the other. They're already rebuilding. They have a core midfield of Rabiot, Bentancur, and Arthur. De Ligt and Demiral are favorites to replace Bonucci and Chiellini. Kulusevski and Dybala are up front. And they're seriously looking to replace Higuain with a young 9.

That's not a board that's building around a 36 year old. They're building a team that'd have a winning mentality, keep winning the scudetto as a baseline, and be favorites for the UCL even after CR7 leaves. They want to be at the level of Madrid, Barca, and Bayern, where every year they're favorites, not have one good year and then drop off.

Ronaldo for his part has single-handedly transformed how the entire top office thinks and hastened the dismantling of the old guard. Mandzukic, Khedira, Pjanic, Matuidi, Barzagli, Buffon. Cuadrado was on his way out, the Cancelo flop got him back in the team. Costa na from operating table to outbound jet nai remain.

Sarri came out after the Lyon ouster and said in the press conference that he was satisfied with how the team played. Bonucci said after the game that they had achieved their season objective (Scudetto) and the UCL is a dream. Hours later, CR7 said on Instagram that a club like Juventus cannot be thinking like that.

Next day, Agnelli (President) said the UCL is no longer a dream but an objective and sacked Sarri. Days after the Sporting Director Paratici said Sarri would get another year.

In comparison, Barcelona is a clusterf*ck. What are you guys doing? What is Messi doing? What is the fanbase doing beyond making excuses for favorite players? You had four whole years to build around 29-yr old Messi after Puyol/Xavi/Neymar/Enrique. I 8-2 point it out that it did not work. Now you want to build around and pamper a 33-yr old Messi? How about you build a very good team and let Messi be the icing on the cake?

This is how Messi destabilized the Argentine national team when talent is overflowing in every region of the pitch and why Argentines have a love-hate relationship with him.

Messi winning Pichichi and assisting in the double digits against the likes of Levante is WHAT YOU EXPECT from a #10 of his caliber. Na Benzema b e mate b4?

Them give am armband, give am highest salary in all of world football, remain small them go rename stadium to Camp Leo; yet for five consecutive years dem just dey embarrass the crest of the club and he's comfortably strolling and dropping shoulder. And you guys are saying he has paid his dues; like the club hasn't also overpaid his own dues. Would Maradona, CR7, Pele, or Zidane accept that nonsense. Na him mates b that... Mk e allow 13 yr-old virgins dey confuse am with adulation.

Mk e no worry, na e legacy e dey destroy. Barcelona is all he has. If na disgrace him use tk comot, na Zidane dem go dey compare am with.

For as long as Messi has stayed, the least Barcelona deserves is him leaving the club better than he met it. Not this dumpster fire that he's engineering. Everytime Messi does not deserve this... Barcelona nko?

Seriously, nai mk me no troll una with the loss, na d club I dey pity... I mean, as a Madrid fan, I couldn't have imagined better entertainment. But it was funny the first 4 years while we had our fairytale B2B2B, now it's just sad.

-Lord

See ehn; if I was Messi i would leave immediately.
In order not to destroy my legacy and have a chance to get more glory before I retire.

In the past 1 year he has banged goals against Liverpool, Tottenham, Man U, Sevilla, Athletico, Napoli, Inter.

So when you reference Levante, what exactly are you talking about?


Barca's over reliance on Messi could never be over emphasized. You can't pretend it doesn't exist.

But that's a story for another day.



But back to the main issue;

Am sure PSG, Man City, Juve and even Bayern would sign him immediately he declares; screaming hallelujah.

That way he makes life very easy for himself, win more accolades and probably shatters more records.

So if ddippset was Messi, I don waka be that.
If I be Messi Papa, I go even kidnap am force am to leave Barca.


But am neither Messi nor his Pops.

It is me wanting him to stay.

Because I honestly believe that despite everything Barca would be making a grave mistake letting him go now.

Messi himself wouldn't want to take the easy way out and run to another billion pound club.

He would rather sink and swim with Barca.

Such loyalty is rare, and difficult.
It's a much bigger challenge than running to Madrid when they are in form or running to Juve because you can win 10 consecutive scudettos.


Forget what the fans think, even the club and the board would die to keep Messi.

Barca is shiit right now I concede.

But Like i elaborated above, the required clear out would be too massive to do in one fell swoop.
Sure It's long overdue but better late than never!

We need a coach who can build a fresh team while still working to curb the infamous Messi-dependency.

Adiwana:
Those at the critical positions must leave asap. Elections needs to be conducted before the end of this year. Bart/Abidal needs to go. That will show everyone that we mean business. Then slowly ease the likes of Coutinho back into the squad and someone like Koemann/Poch who are good in man management can come in and take steady hold of this ship. Then next summer transfer will see us go into the market in full force and clear out what we currently have. La Liga and other cups can take a back seat at the moment.

My disappointment was that it took yesterday's humiliation to open our eyes but better late than ever.

I think I prefer Koeman.

Poch has vowed before not to have anything to do with Barca.

Since we have options of Koeman and later Xavi, we can shun Poch.

GrammarNazi1:
One thing I have noticed about you, Tesppidd, is that you are really intelligent.

Thank you Sir.

Adiwana:
My disappointment was that it took yesterday's humiliation to open our eyes but better late than ever.

Seriously..

It took too damn long.

This process should have begone since 2018.

It's a pity that Dembele who is the closest thing to being our the next superstar cannot stay fit for 10 games out of a season's 50.


In My Humble Opinion.


OUTS..
Rakitic
Roberto
Suarez
Dembele
Griezman
Umtiti
Vidal


BENCH
Alba
Busquets
Firpo

INS
Messi
Pique
Fati
Puig
De Jong
Lenglet
Semedo
Pjanic

Adiwana:
Pretty much the whole club imo. Too much toxicity and for Xavi to decline coming back means we need to do a lot of clearing on and off the pitch

That's the point.

It is practically impossible to sack everybody who needs to be sacked straight away.

Adiwana:
Messi has given us everything he has and has actually fought for that badge by being loyal in a football world where the likes of PSG/Man City will probably pay him double of what he currently earns. It's never easy fighting the hierarchy of the clubs like he has done. Ronaldo fell out with the powers that be at Madrid and he left while Messi has stayed put. I would love for him to lift that trophy once more so leaving would totally be the right thing for him as we can't ask for much from him again. He can't partake in the type of rebuild the club has to undergo as this mess we're in cannot be fixed in one season and this is not primarily an on pitch problem.

lol

Surely the following must move on so we can rebuild;

Pique.
Busquets.
Alba.
Suarez.
Rakitic.
Roberto.
Dembele.
Vidal.
Then Messi.

Am I right?

usbcable:
This is why Barcelona is not moving forward.
After that disgraceful debacle and humiliating disgrace called a match the various fan pages of barca are consoling Messi ALONE.

nothing matters in Barca again except Messi

An example is tesspid will rather quit NL than Messi leave Barca

You think you have arrived because you have Vinicus.

See how you got dumped out of UCL home and away by our wife Man City.

Let's see how you will ever smell the UCL again without Ronaldo.

You dumped Ronaldo and Juve snapped him up.
Today Ronaldo is the best thing that has happened to Juve and their next project is to build a team around him.
Juve are keen on building their team around man going to be 36 years old in February.
Let that sink in!
Don't be fooled by your VARliga. Real Madrid without Ronaldo are not special anymore.


The day we let Messi go at 33 is the day we become a very average team that will struggle to be a top team and challenge for la liga.

Griezman and Dembele are not at the level of the next line of superstars like Mbappe, De Bryune, Sterling and Neymar.


Look at the stats Messi posted in la liga this season!
Messi practically bossed the whole of la liga in terms of all the individual stats you can think of.

We let Messi go and a top top top European team will grab him and build a solid team around him for another 3 years.

You don't get it do you? The world will most likely not see any player like Messi and Ronaldo in another 50 years.

They must be pampered.

If you guys had only pampered Ronaldo perhaps with the solid team you have with a lot of fresh blood, both parites (Real and Ronaldo) won't be flopping separately today in the UCL.

They might even have won another UCL together.

Even at 33, I could only think of maybe 3 players with greater ability/value than Messi today.(and that's strictly because of their ages)

Neymar
Mbappe
De Bryune
Maybe Sterlin


Barca has got 2 options now;

1. Keep Messi and rebuild another fresh team around him for another 3 years. Replace the oldies like Suarez, Rakitic, Alba, Busquets and co with younger better faster players.

2. Let him go to another big European team which would definitely build a solid team around him and try to get the best out of him for another 3 years. Then manage Dembele and Griezman whom we DREAM are our next superstars after Ronaldnho and Messi.

Of course I know that there are a lot of us who would rather gamble with it and want Messi sold now; with the hope of rebuilding a new team.

But as we do that we would do well to remember A.C. Milan, Manchester United and Inter Milan who are still gasping 10 years later.

joviegghead:
Don't you get!

He's carrying the team. Only him.
What do you expect. Everyone was just playing with no drive or motivation.

He has been screaming. He fought with abidal once concerning club issues.
Bartomeu and Co were busy buying useless players and selling good ones.
They brought weak managers. Yet Messi was covering all the cracks and problems. We knew we had problems, but Messi's brilliance match in, match out made the board relaxed. Now Bayern exposed the problem.
And you're saying they shouldn't console him.

Honestly, enough is enough.

Don't mind Usbcable .

Because VAR gave him la liga on a platter and because he has Vinicus and Hazard.

Let us we how his Real Madrid will use Vinicus to ever smell the champions league again without that symbiotic partnership with an assistant GOAT like Ronaldo.

Lana1:
Lol. You want Messi to leave Barca?
tesspidd go swear for you before he go inside cell.

Hehehehehe

I must admit you forced that laughter off me.

Let him leave na. Na here we dey.

We go fight relegation for the next 5 seasons.

haymekus:
So awful from semedo, btw where was pique to offer support to him

It’s high time we bring back Emerson and sell him

What about the one that Davies uselessed him for the 6th goal I think.

I always liked Semedo but last night his value depreciated so bad

diplomat058:
Messi not good for any team in Europe?? Lolzzz. Just take your dry comedy elsewhere

Once Messi declares himself available;

Man City, Real Madrid, PSG, Juventus and even Bayern will scramble and beg for him.

ojaysam25:
Barka fans are confused set of humans...they can't even comprehend a simple discourse again...he is not good for barca means he is not good for any team in Europe and as such should retire and cash out in MLS....is that too hard to comprehend

Sounds like shiit.

Sounds like something wiped off some bun with a tissue.

Messi won the Ballon dor for the best player in the world at age 32 years and 5 months.

He is more than good enough for any top European club.
The club Barca needs a total overhaul to complement Messi.

Stop bringing Ronaldo into this.

Or do you need to undergo a brain function test to undersand a simple argument.?

Sommyroy10:
Dead this issue bruv

I really don't understand how only Vidal became the issue.

Suarez is useless
Alba is useless
Busquets is useless
Rakitic is useless

But somehow Vidal became the cause of all of our problems!

ojaysam25:
Lol,you're the one that is confused....remember plaudits said Ronaldo still has the body of a 22years old albiet fathers time came too soon for messi....he should retire not everyone has the power to defy father's Time like Ronaldo

WTF is wrong with this guy?

The reason i spoke about Messi winning Ballon dor at 32 years was because you said he wasn't good enough to remain at Barca anymore.

I didn't say that to compare him with Ronaldo.

Keep Ronaldo out of this.
But If you still insist on making this discussion a Messi versus Ronaldo debate them just get off my mentions.

Elxandre:
Messi is obviously a shadow of himself. His fans just find it difficult to admit that he's on the decline.
And again, he's definitely not captain material.

He had a very poor season but his fans started counting assists instead of realizing that baba is quite gone.
If Messi stuck to the penalty box, he might still be decisive at this point but no, he must be a playmaker even when it's not effective.

Ronaldo and Messi are nearly finished and that's the truth.

Surely Messi is in a decline.
Is that surprising?

He's 33, of course he couldn't play like he was 25!

But he just won the best player of the year. At 32 years old.

As old as he is, he is still better than 98 percent of the players in the world.

Only Mbappe, Neymar and De Bryune I consider more valuable than Messi today. Even at 33.

Barca only needs to rebuild the team around him. All players above 28 years should be moved on.

Messi is older and slower now, hit he needs now is a stronger team around him.

BlueAngel444:
[s]like how he retired then from Argentina, how many times again??[/s]?

OOP

Out of Point.

ojaysam25:
Keeping messi will only stale their progress cuz any coach that comes in will want to build the team around messi....and he no longer have the will nor tenacity to lead them....the best they can do is build a new set of entertaining players while messi plays a bit part role before finally retiring....
As for the balor d hor nothing new....Ronaldo won it at that age...

Was Ronaldo not still very good when he won it at that age?

So that's my point.
Messi win it at that age 9 months ago so how could you say they should sell him?

You don't even know the point you're trying to make, you're confused.

Nobody is comparing Messi and Ronaldo here.

You're confused.