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elampiro: The problem I can see is that there are people here who have allowed themselves to brainwash as to think Rooney is not as good and not capable of the things he does. That's the probs on this thread. Many brainwashed people forming ally against Rooney. They think the men at Old Trafford managing the club are mediocres.

Nonsense!

Somethings sound too good to be true because it's Rooney. That's how good he is. That's why he earns so much and has outlived every other forward players in Man United. Only a legend spends 10 years in one club and still command so much.....

You are the one that is being brainwashed by Rooney. And i can see that you want to infect some people with that. You are the one creating hatred/dislike of Rooney to some forum members with all these you overrating.

Yes he may have outlived every other strikers because he is British. Other than that, he would have been sold long before now. He has spent over 10 yrs at united right now. In 2012, the Premier League celebrated its second decade by holding the 20 Seasons Awards, why wasn't he nominated into the Fantasy Team of the 20 Seasons by the public and panel if he was so good as you have alluded to? Ronaldo who spent only six seasons was nominated. It is not how far but how well.

elampiro: I thought it was even about 14 points sef.

Rooney gave us more than 11 points.

Chicha gave us more than 11 points.

Verify your facts.

If Berba wasn't there after Rooney pointed a gun at the heads of United management and wanted out, would he have come back to meet United in a position where he can contribute to win the league that season? You make me laugh with this your Rooney obsession. He hasn't done anything evtra-ordinary. No one is denying the fact that he is a good player.

elampiro: I don't need to check any record. It's the fact. Rooney was not 9.

You talk about Chicha. You forgotten Welbeck also played 9. Chicha alone had eaten about 16 maches from the number 9 position. Remaining only 22. Welbeck had about 22 matches. Although there could be some matches when Welbeck and Chicha were on the pitch together.

Rooney alone had about 31 matches. So when did he play number 9 in those 31 matches? I have not even mention some scratch of other top 9 as Berba, Machaida and Owen.

Don't argue what is so obvious.

Did you build build the facts in your head? Lol. Welbeck didn't play as 9 in that season. It was between Rooney and Chicha. Thank God you have remove Berba.

Rooney have played for United for over 10 yrs now. Lat's assume he has been playing as 10 as you have suggested. Why has he not scored more than 16 goals in a season apart from those two seasons? Why has he been inconsistent in his performances in the remaining 8 seasons? A no 10 that can score 26 and 27 goals in two different seasons should be averaging 20 goals per season. Why score 16, 14, 12 and 11 in other seasons? Definitely, it is either he has problem or their is a problem with your allusion.

The fact remains that Rooney was our lead striker in 2011/12.

elampiro: Berbatov delivered league? Ukwu!!!

How many points did his goals give to us as compared to Rooney in same season.

Rooney played a far vital role.

He gave us about 11 points with 1 goal wins and draws. Subtract 11 points from the number of points we used to win the league in that season, you will see that if he hadn't scored those goals we wouldn't have won the league then.

elampiro: 1. Rooney was never a top 9 in 2011/12. You only imagine he couldn't have performed so well from the deep. That is what Rooney gives you. He is so influential.

2. I am even under rating Rooney. He is far better than what I state here. Look at his recent assists from a midfield role. How many number 10 drop so deep and still come up with goals and assists? He also clear from our box from open play.
3. Go back to my posts. My first response to you. I mention Chicha, Welbeck and Berba. I knew this very well.

1. Do you know the meaning of the bolded at all? I don't think so. This not about 'imagining'. It is about facts. My question to you is how many games did Rooney and Chicha started in that season? How many did Rooney started withouth Chicha? Go check your records.

2. So if you are not underrating him, who would you compare him to? Rooney is a striker and not a midfielder that is why he can score and assist from a withdrawn role. There is nothing so spectacular about that. Aguero and Tevez also do the same thing and that does not make them a midfielder. That is why he is earning so much from the purse of the club.

3. Don't even bring Berba in because he only started 5 games with 512minutes. Welbeck under SAF was either played as a winger or as a support striker. Rarely will you see SAF play Welbeck as a top 9. So, it was between Rooney and Chicha. Now, go and check your records and see how many games Chicha started with and without Rooney.

elampiro: Welbeck had 2018 mins of playing time. 9 goals, 4 assists.
Hernadez had 1476 mins of playing time,10 goals, 2 assists.


Your hatred for Rooney is worse than Lucifer hatred for Mankind. You cook lies just to pull Rooney down. Watch football and not follow stats.

This is not about hatred for Rooney. I am a United fan and i do not hate any of United's players. How can you be misinforming people and you expect me as a fan not to correct that?

Rooney is a good player, no doubt about that. But the way you overate him is unacceptable. Go back and check your facts very well before you start any argument. Rooney was our top 9 in 2009/10 and 2011/12. That was the reason why he could score those number of goals in those two seasons.

First you said Berba and Chicha were our top 9 in that season. Now, you are saying it's Chicha and Welbeck. Which one are we to take? How many times did Welbeck played as a top 9 under SAF?

elampiro: You want to start an already concluded argument. Present all your facts, later I will respond and clear you.

1. How much playing time did Chicha get in 2010/11.
2. How much playing time did Welbeck get?
3. How many games did Welbeck and Chicha played separately?
4. How many games did Rooney and Chicha play?
5. How many games did Rooney and Welbeck play?

Mind you, Rooney was among the top passers from the midfield. I presented a chat in which it showed Rooney passed many even from our own half, own third.

If he played 9, then he is super human to have been so busy in the midfield. The other players who made that list were attacking midfielders like Nasri, Silva, etc. I don't have the data readily available, I hope to dig it out again later today if necessarily.

Do you even read what you type at all or is it a deliberate act to shift the goal post. Who is talking about 2010/11? Did Rooney even score up to 20 goals in 2010/11? You need to be consistent with what you are typing.

coogar: rooney was a 9 in 09/10 & 11/12.
every man & his dog know that but elampiro would argue otherwise. in 11/12 season, berbatov had 5 starts or so.

That is correct.

elampiro: No. He played 10.

We had this argument recently. Chicha, Welbeck and Berba played 9.

You need to go and get your facts right. Rooney scored 27 goals in that season in EPL. In those matches he scored those goals, Berba didn't start those matches with Rooney. Chicha only started 3 matches with him in those games Rooney scored those goals. How can you now be saying he played the No 10 role.

I know you are so obsessed about Rooney but don't cook up what is not right in order to win an argument.

elampiro: Me lost this argument? Ukwu!!!

Have I ever lost any argument with you?
Anyway, only one last direct response to you. Rooney won some penalties in 2009/10. If he wasn't fouled he should have scored. So he should still be above 20 goals. Mind you, Rooney is not a natural 9. And the man knows how to spread his goals. Rooney did not just stop at those goals, he scored a good number in the UCL and others.

Then in 2011/12 Rooney scored 26 (not confirmed actual figure) league goals from the number 10 position. Remove his penalties, you will end up with about 22-23 league goals. Then he scored some in Europe, etc.

That is not correct. Rooney played as the top 9 in 2011/12 and not as number 10.