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Logicboy03: The creation story is false

Big Bang isn't? You said yourself, you had doubts about it. So what happened then? How did all this come to be?

Nahum777: i was just curious, the way you were talking about America made me confused, that was why i asked.

Oh...because all Americans are white? Maybe you should tell that to the Latino family across the street, or the black man who lives 3 houses down. I work with a naturalized American citizen from the Philippians. Then there's the Indian doctor I see, who's an American citizen now, and has 3 children born here. Wait! There's the Pakistani guy who works at the market. Oh yeah, I almost forgot my Navaho friend from elementary school, and any number of people in all shapes, sizes and YES, color I come in contact with daily.

Logicboy03: I am sure of what I said. I didnt state any doubts, did I?

smh...why do you avoid the creation like the plague? I wonder?

Nahum777: lol, yes am green ....

why do you ask btw?

Morning y'all

Logicboy03: I accept evolution.

The big bang is an incomplete theory based on some facts about the universe. It cant be complete. It is impossible to know every detail of an event that happened millions or billions of years before one's existence. The reasoning is sound but then, there are assumptions made on it.....

You just told me what you don't believe. More accurately, you told me what you kind of believe, but aren't sure. So are you saying you don't know? You are unsure?

@ the bolded...hmmmm

Yes I'm white...

Nahum777: Are you white? ?

are you green?

LB...I still don't know your stance on creation. You said you do believe in the Big Bang, so what do you belive? I asked you before. You never answered.

Logicboy03: The second part of your comment makes sense....America is not a christian country

Yeah, well I didn't say that. I was quoting someone else. I can't be sure, but that guy sounds like an atheist. America may not be a Christian country, but we are a country that is predominantly Christian.

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This is an except taken from an article called, Is America a Christian Nation?
www.catholiceducation.org/articles/politics/pg0040.html

Can America still be called a Christian nation? It is certainly a more religiously pluralistic and diverse society than it was during the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries. There are increasing numbers of non-Christians immigrating to this country, and there has been a rapid rise in adherents to Islam among our population. There are millions of Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Unitarians, Hindus, Wiccans, Naturists, Agnostics, and Atheists, but Christians comprise roughly 84% of the population. Our constitutional legal system is still based on the Jewish/Christian Bible, not the Koran or other holy book. We still observe Sunday, the Christian Sabbath, as an official holiday. Easter and Christmas still have a special place in the holiday lexicon. The Ten Commandments are still on the wall behind the Supreme Court Justices when they take the bench. Our coins still display the motto "In God We Trust." The US is still firmly part of a Western Civilization fashioned by a Judeo-Christian religious ethic and heritage. Alexis de Tocqueville observed more than a century and a half ago, "There is no country in the world, where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America." That is still true today. We live, not under a Christian government, but in a nation where all are free to practice their particular religion, in accommodation with other religions, and in accordance with the basic principles of the nation, which are Christian in origin. It is in that sense that America may properly be referred to as a Christian nation.



With the bolded information in mind you might wonder, why this thread exists. Why, if we are a predominately Christian nation, is this type of thing even considered?




This is from opposingviews.com
www.oposingviews.com/questions/is-the-us-a-christian-nation

This one is for you LB:


casio - Aug 24 2012 - 5:05am
Is the U.S. a Christian nation? The answer is no. Now for all those who would say otherwise. I could talk to you about the Founding Fathers, I could talk to you about history or the Treaty of Tripoli until you're blue in the face. But for all intense and purposes the simple fact of the matter is this: the First Amendment of the Constitution protects your right to violate the First Commandment. And the second Commandment, and the third and the fourth. How does that feel? In just one beloved Amendment, the US constitution has wiped out nearly half of what many Christians believe to be the blueprint of a perfect human being. Now murder, theft and perjury are illegal sure, but they are not laws that were inspired by your religion as they were law before your religion ever even existed.




While I think this statement would have carried more weight without the sarcasm, the author is correct, to some degree. Let us review. The United States is a nation comprised of an 84% Christian Population. You would think, with that kind of statistic, that there would be no way that Satanists could put up a monument next to the Ten Commandments. I was not familiar with this particular case, but this kind of thing is happening all over the United States. The first thing we need to do is define what type of government the United States has. Many people think we are a democracy. We are not.



Aindriu Colgan: America Is Not A Democracy, Stop Pretending It Is
www.huffingtonpost.com/aindr/america-is-not-a-democrac_b_442963.html

Firstly, America is not a democracy. It is not, never was, nor ever was intended to be a democracy. And for very good reason. Democracy--dēmocratía ("power/rule by the people"--is a horrible system of government. It is maintained by violence, mob rule, and a pernicious envy--an envy that arises when one of its citizens rises too far above the others, an envy that drives that democracy to rip them down. The rights of the individual are always supplanted by "the will of the people".




This might help. It is an excerpt from Republic vs. Democracy - Citizens for Constitutional Government
www.c4cg.org/republic.htm


Just after the completion and signing of the Constitution, in reply to a woman's inquiry as to the type of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."
Not only have we failed to keep it, most don't even know what it is.
A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good)…The following comes from Training Manual No. 2000-25 published by the War Department, November 30, 1928.
DEMOCRACY:
• A government of the masses.
• Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.
• Results in mobocracy.
• Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights.
• Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
• Results in demagoguism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
REPUBLIC:
• Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
• Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
• A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
• Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.
• Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.
• Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

The United States Constitution is a sound document. It was designed specifically to protect individual rights, not the rights of the masses. The founding fathers designed it this way on purpose to protect against mob rule. I believe this is important. I do however, begin to wonder when those rights include things like burning the American Flag, or the Westboro Baptist Church boycotting the funerals of fallen soldiers. I am not happy about this monument, but if I want to retain my individual rights, I must give others theirs. Even if I do not agree. I know that sometimes Constitutional law allows what I would consider the absurd. The problem is, that it is my opinion, and opinion is subjective. I love my country. I do believe sometimes we need a Department of Common Sense though.Then again, who decides what common sense is.

NativeBoy: @LogicBoy, #4: are you willing to follow the process by which to discover God revealed through the person of Jesus Christ?

You must realize that we are talking two distinct modalities: the natural and the supernatural. The natural falls short in providing an understanding of the supernatural.

If you choose only the natural mode only then you can only operate within that sphere. It's like if you only spoke Yoruba and I only spoke Igbo. We require a bridge, (i.e. a translator) to help us connect. Jesus Christ is that bridge that connects us to God.

He is well aware of the doctrinal preface here. He probably knows the text of the bible better than either of us. He does not believe in God. And he doesn't believe Jesus Christ is our Savior, or bridge of any kind. This type of explanation, and any number of scriptural references are bandied daily. They are not effective tools for convincing an atheist of anything. I'm not saying give up. I certainly won't. I care enough not to do that. I just think we Christians need some new material. I haven't figured out what that might be yet, but I'm not giving up.


@ LB
Morning

Mr Troll: why do you guys always assume that if left alone, man will not be good? Maybe that is the doctrine you guys have been taught, the total depravity of man. For your info, there is also no obligation to do evil. Its a 2 way street.

all morality is relative. Theists just use special pleading.

Mr Troll, what religion did you grow up with?

Mr Troll:

This...
didnt sound like sarcasm to me.

This one was sarcasm.

Mr Troll: So THE ENEMY operates within time zones too? I can imagine satan flexing strong here now in Nigeria for just one hour before going east to Ghana and so forth, constantly everyday just to maintain the time zones across the world. Busy man, this Satan. No dulling

thought you didn't believe he existed.





Then you said this…

Mr Troll: ah! Tex, you too?

I wasn’t sure what it meant, so I thought maybe you had been serious. I had to ask at that point to be sure. Sorry. I should know you better by now.

harlos: After you don play ur girlfriend like football and watch as another dey catch her goalkeeper

you are bad...

Mr Troll: are you just beginning to see my posts or understand my worldview?

What exactly do you think we do here in the religion section? Or do I have to explain my sarcastic posts to you?

That goes both ways Babe. I gat sarcasm too.

Mr Troll: ah! Tex, you too?

Me too what? Seriously. I thought you didn't believe in God or the devil. Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am.

Father in heaven. Bless these men. Keep them, and their soldiers safe. Give them the insight and wisdom needed to lead. Give them strength of character, and brave hearts. Help them to be compassionate, yet stalwart in their commitment to their beliefs and to their country. Though their backgrounds be diverse, allow them to see past their differences, and embrace unity in purpose. Together-ONE-Mighty. In Jesus name Amen.

Mr Troll: So THE ENEMY operates within time zones too? I can imagine satan flexing strong here now in Nigeria for just one hour before going east to Ghana and so forth, constantly everyday just to maintain the time zones across the world. Busy man, this Satan. No dulling

I thought you didn't believe he existed.

Shugamania:


Not possible, he'll even pay u.



U guys need to go to bed.

It's 6pm here.

harlos:

lolz take a deep breath...

Nahum777: not at all.

Oh...please

I learned that there is a pretty diverse group of people in this section, and I have grown to love them all. This is not in spite of our differences. It is because of them. My year has been made all the better for knowing my new friends here. It's been quite a ride. Thanks to all those who have welcomed me. The blessings just keep coming. My cup runneth over.






And for a few of you...SMH
You know who you are.

[quote author=Mynd_44]Goodbye? Nah.

Why not share what's wrong with me o someone else before you go? It might be a lesson to someone else. Talk to someone here; lets hear you or we can chat, mail or whatever.[/quote] Mynd what can be done here? Has anyone heard from this person since last post?

aManFromMars: What post? Where?

aManFromMars: You've clearly not met JoshTheFirst

hehehe







#Team Josh

Logicboy03: That was just one small tribe

I keep hearing that. Why did they kill twins?