₦airaland Forum

sobastical:
So it's now a crime as he has posted this right?..... smh

It's not a crime. It's not illegal.

It's just an entirely despicable and insensitive thing to do.

Cheers

ASL33:
Why did you just mention only Mimiko b4?

Was i supposed to mention everyone in the world?

PDP members are shouting that Tambuwal should be kicked out because he defected. In pointing out that this position is hypocrisy, was i supposed to use (as an example) somebody moving from Accord Party to Labor party?

ASL33:
Anyway I think different rule applies to house members. Remember the first set that decamped, their case is still in court.

Legally, I don't see how there's any difference. I think the rule says jumping ship is only allowed if there's a devastating crisis in the party.

lawrsmith:
in words of APC presidential aspirant " i will make the country ungovernable for Jonathan.and he have succeeded in making his own region a grave yard by killing his own people.this time around if GEJ win coming 2015 which i know he will, their grammar will change from ungovernable may be to favaurable.

That Statement (which you have horribly mangled) was made when the fellow was in PDP. There's no need to lie so shamelessly.

ASL33:
No body demanded for Okorocha, Amaechi, and others resignation two.

Exactly! So why is Tambuwal's case causing so much heat?
What he did is wrong, and not ideal...but it's hilarious seeing people pretend like this hasn't been going on in Nigeria for ages. If we are truly to ban cross-carpeting, then we'll need to sack a whole lot of senators, reps, governors and state house of assembly members.

vanunu:
Tambuwal is a nothing but a big madman without morality. He still wants to be a speaker after he defected to the opposition party. There is no where in the whole world where this kind of thing is allowed, and some people are here supporting him.

But Mimiko defected to PDP and I didn't see Nairalanders demanding he resign his seat. Why the double standards?

Litmus:
All that advertising the negative aspects of your country online achieves is discourage investment and provide ammunition for those that seem to gain some sort of weird pride by disparaging your country. Nigerians are the only people so far that i know that believe humiliating themselves will bring about improvements. On the other hand, it is likely that true Nigerians are not the ones that started this campaign. Could be other Africans. It could be Expatriates. It is easy to imagine a couple of expatriates in Lagos, "having a laugh", sending these images to social media and then think - nodge-nodge wink-wink -these people are so stupid we can get them to send even more pictures of their decrepit nation online to disgrace themselves. A little like those days when expatriates would bring out their cameras in some back streets Accra and tell little black boys to jump around and scratch the top of their heads. The expatriates would take pictures and every black person in the community would think its harmless fun. But later the Expatriates would return to Germany or some other place and show those pictures, saying that black kids act and look like monkeys.

This is an extremely disgraceful post.

Only naming and shaming has any effect on the people in charge in Nigeria. It was public ridicule that made the FG renovate those deplorable police barracks in Lagos. You think the families in those barracks care about anyone outside Nigeria scoffing at them?

xcolanto:
Gosh you pained! Bitterness is a disease and its contagious

Yeah, not doing these childish games with you.

Goodbye, Mr Xcolanto. It was not fun debating with you

MissMeiya:
@ texazzpete As for accusations on Nairaland, I've been accused of being from Thailand, being a witch, a lesbian, a transvestite, a villager posing as a diasporan, and recently, a gold digger. Let me know when you get to my level

Ok, You have me beaten. I've never been accused of being a 'witch, lesbian, transvestite' before

This forum is overrun with people who jump to daft conclusions

You say you think the Anti-homosexuality laws are too draconian? Someone pops up to accuse you of 'being gay'
You say the Nigerian Army has a record of harming innocents? Someone pops up to accuse you of being 'pro-Boko Haram'

Complain about some FG policies? Some paid clown says you're 'Pro APC'
Say you don't think Nigeria can build an aircraft carrier in 10 years? Someone says you have an 'inferiority complex'


it's almost like some people (see @xcolanto for example) have no stomach for logical debate.

xcolanto:
[s][/s]

Crap! When one begins to foam in the mouth jst to sound smart then for sure the mouth is infected! Run along now.....

TRANSLATION: "I am too daft to come up with a logical response so I will try to come up with a face saving smart-alec response and end it with a smiley so people don't realize how brainless I am"

To your credit, though, you seem marginally smarter than the average im'becile

babestell:
I know the texazzpete and he can afford to buy a rolex without breaking a sweat.

I wouldn't say 'without breaking a sweat'

msMonyei:
I too know, any rolex below 100,000 naira is a replica.

That's not the point. You're advertising it as a 'Rolex'. It is NOT a Rolex. It's a replica Rolex. Doesn't matter what price tag you put on it, the premise for the advert is misleading, false and dishonest.

It's up to the mods to do something about it if they wish, but i may have to flag this if you really don't change the title.

To be honest, it's pretty damn daft buying a TEcno phone these days unless you're cash strapped and you're buying the sub 20k phones.

This is Q4 2014. If your Android phone isn't getting an update to Android 5.0, why bother?

Insanity is buying a Tecno Z for > 50k when you'll never get an update...meanwhile you can pick up a Galaxy S4 new at that pricing.

Better to buy a Motorola Moto G for approx $140 with guaranteed updates for at least 2 years than to buy any sub 30k tecno phone.

Please put 'Replica' in the thread title or I'll have to flag this to the mods as a scam. Thanks

xcolanto:
How many world governments have been convicted due to evidence of human rights abuses from AI? What measures has AI taken in curtailing future occurrences of human right abuses world wide?

Quit using the AI cover to express your soft spot for boko! Going through your threads on NL, your yet to condem the atrocities and wanton killings of the sect but your quick to lash out on the FG? It's amazing how you and your likes are pro boko because GEJ a southern minority and a christain is at the helm of affairs. At the end of the war with boko you and AI would present your cases when needed. Cheers!

Now I've seen it all on Nairaland. The day I - a Christian from a southern minority tribe - have been accused of being anti-GEJ because he's a 'Christian from a southern minority tribe'. And this accusation from known m0r0n, for that matter.



I daresay I've done more complaining and lamenting the shoddy situation we find ourselves in than yourself. I'm not sure why you hold terrorists in such high regard that you have to 'condemn' them all the time, as if you had high hopes for them before.

xcolanto:
How about the other countries I listed? You highlight 3 counties from the hundreds that face loads of human right abuse and you think you have Done a comprehensive research? GTHOH!!
Point is AI is a political tool in the hands of a few, the elite and highest bidders.
Don't be to quick to defend without setting up your defense.
In no way do I support human right abuses in any form but with the desperate way some selfish politicians are clinging on to any news to score cheap political points is sickening. These days one begins to wonder the purpose and motive behind some news published.

Every single one you listed is there. I just picked 3 out of the list as an example. Please don't be lazy and do your own googling yourself.

Amnesty International criticize everyone, including all the usual suspects you brainless conspiracy theorists like to blame.

As far as 'desperate politicians' are concerned, good job pretending it's just the opposition that reap PR benefit from these attacks.

ASL33:
amnesty should talk for those in Gitmo Bay since 10 years ago.

Actually, Amnesty International speaks up for those folks too.

citizenisb:
She said that users of luxurious items, such as private jets, yachts, alcoholic beverages and expensive cars, would be required to pay special taxes for such goods.[/b]

Okonjo Iweala is a disgrace.
No major attempt to cut down corruption...you want to tax people who are already being taxed on their income, just because they want to enjoy some of the good things of life.

These people will never be happy until the average Nigerian is driving a Kia Picanto while they cruise around in Prado jeeps.

oduaboy1:
This woman is a greedy golddigger.She manipulated the senile old ojukwu to beaqueth all his wealth to her.WTF!!!
The pussssy is indeed powerful.

Nobleval:
Ojukwu was a f**l. How could he give almost everything he had to his wife?... He is a disappointment to his children.

You guys are clowns.

Who else should Ojukwu have left all his belongings to, apart from his wife and children? Why should his grown relations be fighting for inheritance from him?

All you people who are screeching about this woman being a 'gold digger' have forgotten she hails from a very rich family herself, and could have had her pick of rich husbands. After giving Ojukwu much more than a decade of blissful (i assume) marriage and great sex, why act as if the man was exploited by her?

MadCow1:
Rapid Response is always good.. But in the Case of Boko haram, Rapid Response would mean Helicopters and Jets (Airstikes).. Too many Civilian casualties. Using Helicopters to Airlift troops into hot zones is also a good move.. But lets not forget that Boko Haram has been reported to have Anti-Aircraft Guns.. Coupled with their Heavy artileries like 30 Cals and 50Cals heavy Machines Guns, how would we Airlift APC's, Tanks and fighter Vehicles to the troubled areas fast enough?! We dont Have Chinook Helicopters to pull this off.. Even if we did, its impractical operations wise as a Chinook loaded with a Tank has to fly low and slow making it an easy prey.. The only aircraft we have capable of flying Tanks and artilleries fast enough would be the C-130 Hercules Military transport plane.. This one would atleast require a runway.. So its technically impossible.

So we are back to the current M.O of setting up a Barracks as close to known troubled areas and mobilizing a response team in an Emergency that may take hours to respond depending on the terrain.. Another is to set-up barracks in all small Villages in the North East.. But this would stretch our Army Thin and seeing as Boko Haram attack in their numbers, it would be easy to wipe out most of the barracks.

Nope, you don't need to airlift tanks and APCs. Most Boko Haram assaults are backed with Hiluxes (armed with mounted machine guns) and motorcycles.
Send in well armed troops with mortars, light anti-tank rockets and machine guns and you'll have the makings of a very good ambush. Of course, air support to pound ground troops.
There's no indication that Boko Haram has an extensive anti-aircraft arsenal, if any.
Setting up rapid response squads has the advantage of moving in elite troops to combat areas quickly, instead of relying on the regular troops that are more likely to panic and run away.

MadCow1:
I believe that this is already the MO as it stands today.

No. Convoys stream into and from towns under attack. No consistent MO to intercept and destroy such columns. Boko Haram's APCs and gun-equipped hiluxes move through motorable roads. We are desperately short of attack helicopters, which is a serious travesty.
According to Wikipedia, we only have 8 Mi-35 Hind attack helicopters! (seems we placed an order just 2 months ago for some new ones).

MadCow1:
I also believe that this is currently in place.. But still their communities where they live are not forth coming with intel.

Many of these communities actively assist the Army. Of course, many are reluctant to rat out BH, because they know the Army will not protect them, and they know that many Nigerians on Nairaland will laugh when Boko Haram kills them in reprisal

MadCow1:
Winning the hearts and Mind of the people in this case is very difficult.. Also teaching the Nigerian Army to be humane in its approach to this War would be even more difficult.. If the Nigerian Army can burn civilian buses in Lagos because a careless soldier was run over.. Imagine what the first Village they come into contact with after a Boko Haram attack on their convoy or barracks goes through?!

We dont need a psychic or AMnesty International to tell us that the Nigerian Army are grossly violating peoples humans rights, we know.. But at the same time, it is also almost unavoidable.. [/i]

You're a different breed from many of the other people arguing here. at least you accept there is a problem. You see how many here do not?
We need to accept there's a problem so we work to change it, so it becomes something we can legislate to fix. It's not just about Boko Haram war. Why the heck should a soldier call the man whose tax pays his salaries a 'bloody civilian'? Why is it 'normal' for a poorly educated soldier to have the power/right to horsewhip a Nigerian Citizen?

We can and should try to fix this.

KingAdeOluomo1:
Will u just stop dreaming n fink straight dis .are things that happens everywhere n yet in Nigeria we keep condemning wat we have

So if it happens to you someday, you will feel happy and fulfilled?

This happens everywhere, and is condemned everywhere. It's only in Nigeria where condemning evil is a terrible thing.

MadCow1:
@ Point number 1..


The day I saw the news about the guy who had been held for 3 years, that was the first thought that crossed my mind..

That said.. We as a Nation are caught in a very bad place right now. Fighting against Mujahadeens that have no distinguishing facial features nor uniforms can be very troublesome. You can imagine the Nigerian Army coming into a city that had just been recently hit and having troubles indentifying the perps. And without any help from the locals, they resort to arresting all males of combat age and trying to squeeze out info from them. Unfortunately Lie detectors are not quite as reliable so they resort to crude torture methods. The pro is that it has worked for them in some cases. The Con is that innocent people get caught in the mix.



2.. A refugee camp for 30 million would be quite hard to pull off no doubt.. But what do you suggest?


How do you suggest the Nigerian Army go about operation in the North East?

Crush Boko Haram in their camps. Set up rapid response squads to intercept Boko raids as soon as they are reported. Equip village heads with communication devices to be able to communicate instantly when an attack is in progress. Use helicopter troop carriers to be able to rapidly deploy soldiers within 30 mins of any reported attack.

More effective use of assault helicopters to destroy Boko Haram operational vehicles to hinder their mobility.

Set up reward systems to pay informants with credible information (i.e arrests that are tied to weapons being found, for example, or testimony from reputable members of the communities).

Arrests cannot be avoided, but interrogate and release within a short period of time, in a humane fashion. Guilty BH members should be brought to trial as much as possible.

More importantly, educate soldiers on the benefits of winning the 'hearts and minds' war. The Americans learnt this the hard way in Iraq...we can learn from their experiences on how not to radicalize the innocents.

I don't think this war is being fought well, to be honest.

xcolanto:
Where was AI in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Mali, Syria,Iraq, Iran, Isreal, Palestine, Sudan... List is endless!
Answer: the same place they have always been.. By the side lines. Funny when it comes to Nigeria a whole lot of organizations, goverment and bodies seem to foam in the mouth! This country is great!
This country is under going rapid transformation hence the troubles we face now! Be strong patriots!
There's light at the end of the tunnel
The sun most shine after the storm!

Iraq
Iraq: Evidence of war crimes by government-backed Shi’a militias
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/iraq-evidence-war-crimes-government-backed-shi-militias-2014-10-14

Egypt
Egypt three years on, wide-scale repression continues unabated
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-three-years-wide-scale-repression-continues-unabated-2014-01-23

Egypt: Rampant torture, arbitrary arrests and detentions signal catastrophic decline in human rights one year after ousting of Morsi
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-anniversary-morsi-ousting-2014-07-02


Syria
Syria: Voices in Crisis
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE24/041/2014/en/9245a6fb-d9b2-4440-8fbd-fcc68942c32a/mde240412014en.html


Just the tip of the Iceberg. As you would have found out with a simple search, of if you read any other news source apart from NTA and the TAN Facebook page. Why the heck are you folks so lazy?

MadCow1:
Daayum!

Tempers are really running wild up in here..


I dont support the collateral damage theory.. But you all would have to agree that we are faced with some really perculiar circumstances where the Provisions of Amnesty international would only serve to benefit the Terrorists than it would the Nigerian State.

My problem with the Nigerian Army isnt their dragnet style of detaining all until proven innocent, but the length of time it takes them to prove them innocent.

Thats why my proffered solution is for all non-combatants to move into a refugee camp (that should be set up by the FG) for better protection.. That way, anybody left in the affected areas can only have themselves to blame.

#Thats All..

1. Actually, it can be argued that the harsh and inhumane treatment of many innocents by the Army may have pushed many neutrals into Boko Haram. Similar situation happened in Iraq where US Army excesses were used as propaganda video to boost Al Qaeda recruitment.

2. Which refugee camp are you going to set up for nearly 30 million people? Funded with which money?

mikeansy:
If amnesty international do some soul searching they will agree that there job is too easy!

It's easy to scrutinise the activities of Government who are quite frankly the victims here but do nothing or say nothing about the terrorists who have created the crisis!

Boko Haram has since been designated as a terrorist group. Such groups by default are not signatories to the Geneva Convention agreement, and are bound by no international agreements to respect human life.

Your problem is, like many on Nairaland, you argue from a position of ignorance. Amnesty International HAS condemned Boko Haram repeatedly

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AFR44/029/2013/en/6d7330c4-f6c7-4bcf-8b25-7f1e8fe8615e/afr440292013en.html

Nigeria: Unlawful killings by Boko Haram may constitute crimes against humanity

Amnesty International strongly condemns the unlawful killings of members of the public in northern Nigeria. The killing of at least 115 people in the last two weeks by unknown gunmen and other suspected members of Boko Haram may constitute crimes against humanity as defined in Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, to which Nigeria is a state party.
The deteriorating trend in the human rights and security situation in north-eastern Nigeria has further put the rights to life of many Nigerians at risk.
Amnesty International urges Boko Haram and any other armed groups operating in northern Nigeria to immediately stop attacks against the general population. The government must also ensure that people are adequately protected from human rights abuses and suspected perpetrators must be brought to justice in a fair trial without recourse to the death penalty.
Amnesty International has received information that since 20 October 2013, at least 115 people have been killed in attacks across different locations in Yobe and Borno states.

You greatly disapoint me. On one hand, you've complained bitterly about the conduct of Federal troops in Igbo territories during the Biafran war. Now here you are, cheering on the senseless treatment of your fellow Nigerians, because of ethic and religious biases you have. You need to flee from hypocrisy and act like a Nigerian!

mecusbosco:
Mr man! Extreme cases requires extreme measures. Collateral damage is everywhere! Some companies abroad have rejected their own staff, denied them from coming back to their place of work, just because they visted Nigeria or othere Ebola related countries. Where is human right? Please answer!

Then it is my hope that you become one of these 'extreme measures' someday.

You people make me sick.

bigass:
i dont get you at all. should he do something unconstitutional?

The purpose of the state of emergency was to combat Boko Haram effectively and safeguard the tax-paying, law abiding citizens of those states.

Thousands have died since then. Mostly innocent Nigerians, killed by Boko Haram.

I'm not interested in whether the Govs stay or not, or whatever way he implements the State of Emergency. We are losing sight of the main objective. The main take away is that despite the state of emergency, the Boko Haram menace has not been overcome.

While he decides whether to extend or not, he should also deliberate on what he's done so far, what went wrong and what can be done as an improvement.

bigass:
I may not like Jonathan but I applaud this administration translation of this aspect of the constitution. in many Areas Jonathan is better than OBJ who set a bad precedence by removing Fayose and appointing an Administrator. There is no part of the constitution that empowers the president to remove a democratically elected Governor.

I'm sure all the people dead because of the failure of the Administration to protect them even under a state of emergency will also applaud the FG

/s

Some of you lose sight of the big picture. It's all about protecting our fellow citizens from Boko Haram. And so far, this campaign has not gone smoothly at all

atlwireles:
I will like the army to keep you for 200 years and release you thereafter. Keep your boko haram patriotism to your pathetic self.

Considering the fact that you're more likely to turn to crime after your services will no longer be required to spread online propaganda next year, I believe you'll be experiencing the wonders of a correctional facility very soon.

gtrust:
When you put up this same energy in campaigning AGAINST BOKO HARAM then and ONLY then will people take you seriously!!!
There're ALWAYS 2 sides at least to a story

I actually have put in much more energy in campaigning against Boko Haram than you have.

Good thing we've heard BOTH sides of the story now that the Army has released hundreds of innocent people they had illegally detained, just like Amnesty International alleged.

atlwireles:
Human right of boko haram? God bless Nigeria . What a fraudulent country.

Sigh.
let me try again.

200+ people were just released by the Army. Innocent folks. The army even felt ashamed enough to offer some of them a meager sum as reparation. And these 200+ people are just the tip of the iceberg.

So, no, nobody is talking about Boko Haram members. Your fellow Nigerians - Innocent Nigerians! - are being arrested, detained and tortured and it's a laughing matter for you?

So not just a sycophant, you're a traitor too?

Watch this video Horus provided


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcc5fnx08R0

Mogidi:
At the peak of the Niger Delta campaign, notable Deltans acted as middle men to quell the uprising.

Good thing that prominent Northerners like Buhari, Sultan of Sokoto and Northern Governors forum have come together to condemn the Boko Haram violence, eh?
I know you desperately wish all the Northern elite would go to Sambisa forest to 'act as middlemen' as if you don't know that BH have sworn never to negotiate (didn't stop the FG from lying about ceasefire, but I digress)

Mogidi:
Its foolhardy to assert bokoharam don't enjoy local support. If they don't enjoy local support why were the hunters able to rout them?

This...doesn't sound sane at all. Aren't the hunters 'locals'? Or do you mean by routing them, the hunters were 'supporting' them?

Perhaps I am mistaken and your problem isn't a deficient education...maybe you're just inebriated after quaffing one too many alcoholic beverages last night?

Mogidi:
Were they picked from the sky? The onus is on you to explain how they were picked up.

See why I said you need 'Brighter Grammar' and 'Queen Primer'? The UNIMAID student says he was picked from his house. Why do you want me to explain to you what you can already read?

You do not need to be ashamed if you cannot read properly. Tens of thousands of adults in Nigeria go to Adult schools.
Here is an e-link to Brighter Grammar Book 1 in case you're too ashamed to ask me to send you the physical book i used nearly 30 years ago

http://www.scribd.com/doc/117782606/Brighter-Grammar-1

Cheers.