₦airaland Forum

WombRaiders:
I want you to have a feel of northern hospitality-Sharia style.

If you know what the average ECWA church going northerner goes through in the hands of their Muslim brothers maybe then you will see the extent of religious intolerance plaguing northern Nigeria.

Boko haram are not ghosts. They are part of the fabric of a Muslim intolerant north.

There is hardly a city in the north that has not had its own share of secular riots.

Every day in some dusty rustic part of town in any state in the north, there is a Muslim cleric sitting down with his adherents and spreading hate.

Boko haram are the monster the north created through generations of intolerance.

I'm sorry, but it's hilarious that you think you're saying something new or groundbreaking.
Everyone knows there's a whole lot of religious intolerance in the North. What everyone should know is that it is beyond inane to parlay this into 'all Northern muslims are intolerant' or 'majority of Northerners support Boko Haram'.

WombRaiders:
Boko haram are the monster the north created through generations of intolerance.

Again, you need to stop saying 'the north' as if it's one monolithic hivemind. Elements in the North, yes.
It's worth noting that the perennial under-development and poor education of massive swathes of Northern youths has worsened the existing situation. For that, i will blame many of our past leaders, both Northern Muslim AND Christian, for sowing the seeds of this hydra.

WombRaiders:
Chibok is a Christian town in Borno. The Principal of that school is a Muslim. This is how it is in the north. Christians are not appointed into managerial positions.

I'm not sure how it makes sense to take one case and hold it up as an example of intolerance or bias. Chibok is a Government secondary school, there's absolutely no rationale in expecting a Chibok indigene to be Principal, or to assume that the Principal did not assume her position on merit.
It can be argued that the assumption that a secondary school sited in a somewhat Christian community must have a Christian Principal is in itself rather unfair. It is a civil service position, and it is supposed to be filled on merit.

BlackTechnology:
It might surprise you that a Nigerian intellectual might be able to develop a better attack helicopter if promised to be given defence contract if he or she succeeds.


Ojukwu will never miss this kind of opportunity to showcase black men brilliant minds

You cannot be serious.

WombRaiders:
Let me tell you my experience in Naimey, Niger back in 2009 when I was seconded by my organization to oversee an ecological disaster mitigation workshop.

In Niger, just like other francaphone countries, alcohol sale comes with a liscence and bars are mandated to be screened off from public view that is to say, you can't find open bars facing the roads or near schools.

The bars are usually tendered by Togolesse women who depend on tips and if you are a road Romeo you can wait till 11pm the mandatory closing time and contribute to her kids educational trust fund.

There are bars facing mosques and no one complains.

Bars and restaurants are opened even during fasting.

On the streets of Naimey you will see young beautiful french tourists who usual vacate in The open desert. They go around unveiled and no one bothers them.

But here is the juicy bit. I had to travel by road to Birnin Koni a border emirate with Ilela, Sokoto. Our truck broke down and so we had to use public transport. On the bus, I was having my breakfast sandwhich and drinking coffee from my flask and being the polite gentleman I am I offered my co traveller some coffee to which he declined. 3 hrs into the journey we got to a rest point and all other travelers went to the mosque to observe the afternoon prayers. I headed to a stall and bought me a cold can of coke. On the bus I offered the same passenger a coke but he politely declined.

When we got to our destination, I decided to cross to the Nigerian side for a some nigerian beer. As I settled down in the immigration mess by the border to a bottle of ice cold guilder which I had missed for over 2 mths. I asked the bar man where I could get some food to eat and he told me the restaurants are all closed and that they won't open until 7pm. I did not ask him why but shrugged it off that the food won't be worth eating in this border town. I then took a bike and headed over to the main town center in Ilela, Sokoto. As I was boarding the bike, the Hausa bike man said something in Hausa which I did not understand. I told him I don't speak Hausa. He then told me in pidgin English that why I no fast . He said this because I was holding a bottle of water.


All these while in Naimey, Niger with a predominantly muslim population during the month of Ramadan which I was oblivious to, no one had questioned me why i was not fasting but here I was in my own country which isn't predominantly Muslim like Niger and less than 30 minutes in town I had a taste of religious intolerance.

That part of the north is predominantly Muslim, just like Niger. And probably much less developed than the capital city of Niamey.

Nigeria as a country is not predominantly Muslim. There are areas in Nigeria that are predominantly muslim. Not sure how that's a difficult concept.

WombRaiders:
I suggest you go to downtown Kano city in the old part of town carrying a big bible with a gold crucifix chain.

Let me know if you make it back in one piece.

What does that have to do with anything?

WombRaiders:
When dealing with insurrections there is always a conspiracy to destabilize.

Boko numbers are at least 10,000 active fighters and well over 50,000 passive members spread across the North

One very important fact that most of you fail to comprehend is that Boko Haram enjoys tacit support among northern muslims.

Did you interview many 'northern Muslims' to come to this conclusion?
Or is this just the usual bigoted, intolerant viewpoint that is often tossed out here on Nairaland?
More than 50 million Northern Muslims. Even if we take your exaggerated '50000 passive supporters' line as being canon, that's less than 1%.

I wonder if it's the same 'northern Muslims' that bear the brunt of the BH insurrection that you're counting as 'passive support'? Or maybe the parents of the children killed just a few days ago?

WombRaiders:
Which part got you mad?

Let me guess. Could it be APC?

By the way you were not forced to comment. you can edit your initial post.

And finally, I am not cut from the same cloth with Sowore .

Yeah. It's partly about APC. Also the unfounded allegations of complicity in the part of Northern elites.

Abeg go through my post history. I have no care for APC. I just remain extremely annoyed at the politically and financially motivated attempts from the likes of you to downplay and reduce the most serious uprising we've faced in this country to a mere political power play.

Can't wait for 2015 elections to come around (when GEJ will most certainly be re-elected) to see what excuses you paid posters will bring up.

Boko Haram is trying to spread their extreme interpretation of Islam throughout Nigeria. We need to stop them and kill every one of those scumbags. That's all there is to this.

jide53:
well we will buy from your competitor

We have ALWAYS bought the vast majority of our weaponry from non-US countries. This is a non-issue.

http://www.janes.com/article/43347/nigeria-to-buy-significant-number-of-russian-helos

Russia concluded a deal with Nigeria last month on deliveries of a 'significant' consignment of Mil transport and attack helicopters, according to a senior official with the state-owned corporation Rostec.

"In August a contract was signed with Nigeria on the deliveries of [Russian] helicopters," Sergei Goreslavsky, head of Rostec's International Cooperation Department, said at the ADEX 2014 international defence exhibition, held in Baku, Azerbaijan, from 11-13 September.

Although he declined to detail the specific number of helicopters involved, he added: "We are talking here about a significant number of Mi-171Sh helicopters and several Mi-35M helicopters."

I'm far more interested in why we had such a shoddy attack helicopter fleet even with the creek insurrection just a few years ago and the ongoing massive crude oil theft.

Once again the sheer imbecility of many Nigerians is on display in this comment section.

Most of our Attack helicopter force is russian made Mi-35 hind variant. Wikipedia says Nigerian Airforce had placed an order for 3 in 2013.

Nigeria has ABSOLUTELY NO NEED and no pressing reason to buy arms from the US.

There are probably all sorts of reason why the Nigerian Government is happy to divert attention to the US refusal to sell weapons to Nigeria. Corruption, money laundering and a desperation to divert attention from their incompetence are probably chief reasons.

What is inexcusable here is seeing all these educated Nigerians that commented above me accepting this utterly inane excuse.

Buy helicopters from Russia like we've always done and stop this m0r0nic attempt to deflect blame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force

We do not have any attack helicopters from the US in our Arsenal. None of our main battle tanks or APCs are US made. The bulk of our artillery is from the former USSR. Why are you m0r0ns suddenly swallowing this BS inept excuse that suddenly we are being 'betrayed by the Americans' that is why we are struggling this badly?

Disgusting.

WombRaiders:
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The APC, northern mulsim caliphate, northern business oligarchs and the US government are behind boko haram.

Shame i didn't see this part before I replied. Can't believe I got suckered into replying to the likes of you.

Were you paid to spread this FUD?

This Just sounds like yet another conspiracy theory.
boko Haram has been in existence for ages now, and even under Yusuf, they were not interested in spreading to other countries

Right now, it does seem like they are intent on making sure this war has just one front. Their numbers are probably less than 10000 active fighters...why would they drag a response from Niger or Chad where it makes no strategic sense?

We can keep making up as many excuses as we can, but that should not distract us from the target at hand ; these bas'tards are scummy terrorists and should be wiped out as soon as possible.

MuhdG:
Thats really true.

Day in day out Nigerians build, rebuild, design, redesign auto mobiles.

But they aren't taken criosly

Nigerians. Always pleading for handouts

I keep hearing this "Govt should come and support me"
If you build something compelling, and you can show it off, you WILL get support eventually. Especially if you're trying to solve a critical problem.

The idea that millions of tax payers money should be handed over to anyone that joins metal into the vague shape of a car is just laughable.

manutdadex:
its a pity u can only see errors in people's rite ups, and dats wat u will b known for!

I'm not even talking about the errors in your grammar. I'm talking about your inability to comprehend written English. Go and read what I wrote earlier and see if the conclusion you jumped to makes any sense.

PS: I'm known for so many things...I care nothing for what the likes of you think of me

manutdadex:
are u defendin the U.S? An hypocrate will declair against somtin in d open and their action is in support. Uninformed?? U should read and disect issue b4 u, and wat do u think d U.S is doin? They are jst want d fulfilment of their prophesy, somtin wey we don counter In Jesus Name? Mtcheew

If that's what you took from my comment, it's clear you need a copy of this book

https://www.evanspublishers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/The-Queen-Primer.png

Adegbemigunjosh:
Tankz bro...So brother is it possible for me to get a playstation 4 for 40k...i dont mind d internal memory

Try 50k, Computer Village. You could probably snag a used one there for that amount

So all those folks who demanded that Tambuwal resign...are they also going to demand that these three Senator step down too?

ichidodo:
[color=#1980BC] Mayowa shouldn't have died, what are they teaching them in that Academy? To retreat in the face of rag-tag urchins equipped with same weapons as the graduates??...[b]what happened to cover-fire,suppression fire,teamwork and coordination.Is everyone running into the army bereft of passion but the desire of financial largesse such that they cannot learn basics and tactics??..[/b] [/color]

Nice words,the ones I highlighted in bold.

Another nice word is 'ambush'.

Please read about the battle of the Chongchon River where a Chinese force with drastically inferior equipment crushed the US Eight Army (filled with WW2 vets and heavily armed).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ch'ongch'on_River


How do you think MEND used to win so many engagements against the JTF during the Niger Delta insurrection? Element of surprise and ability to concentrate attacks at one point.

You could be in a convoy, barreling down the road, suddenly fighters take out the relatively thin-hulled APCs with RPGs. At the same time, machine gunners hiding in the bushes or up on the hills rake the convoy with heavy machine gun fire and grenades. You try to fight your way forward, but with the commander dead and lead vehicles ablaze, retreat can seem like the prudent option to prevent casualties going from 50 men to 500.

I'd lay the blame at the lack of coherent air support. Blame the FG for this...ever since the Niger Delta creek battles, we should have put a whole lot more effort in acquiring helicopter gunships for close support.

Collynzo9:
Absolute trash!
Don't you want to talk about conscripts anymore?
Mr sound education.

Good. I misused a word.

Now let's talk about how you came about the idea that 'retreating from a military encounter = cowardice'. And why you're unwilling to apply this same 'wisdom' to the Biafran army.

Collynzo9:
Talking about being poorly educated, do you know the meaning of ''conscripts''? When last did the Nigerian Army conscript anyone? Not since the civil war. What has your NDA crap got to do with the issue at hand? Below are more quotes from the Chief of Army staff, it contains views I have long held and can attest to.
Can you point out where he was referring to ''conscripts''? That is if your so called sound education taught you the meaning of that word.

Are your NDA graduates somehow exempted from those who joined the military for the sole reason of making money?

www.nigerianeye.com/2014/07/some-soldiers-chicken-out-of-battle.html?m=1

So bottom line is that you claim that pulling back or retreating is a sign of cowardice.

I'm going through your post history, strangely haven't seen you accuse the Biafran Army of cowardice after losing ground to the Nigerian Army incursions. Also haven't seen you accuse the late Ojukwu of cowardice when he escaped the theater of war.

Why the inconsistency?

Collynzo9:
''Most pple want jobs,even if it means joining the Army when the reality of military service comes he drops his rifle & runs away"

Lt Gen KTJ Minimah
Chief of Army Staff

That quote was referring to some conscript that joined the rank and file.
The deceased is an NDA graduate, part of the officer corps, a career military man and a leader of men by training.

Your rants only portray you as someone who is poorly educated. Retreat is never strictly cowardice, and sometimes a strategic retreat is the best act of generalship an officer can muster, especially when the odds are overwhelmingly against you.

Hitler lost 300000 men, the cream of the german army because he refused to strategically retreat from Stalingrad when his Generals desperately tried to show him the pincer trap Stalin was cooking up for him around Stalingrad.

lucianohase:
what u r saying in essence is that our military should not source for more sophisticated weapons to crush BH who have sophisticated weapons and are expanding and their control daily by killing women, pupils and innocent nigerians? Let me understand,is that what u are saying?

Let me understand you. You're saying you read my post ( that was written in crystal clear English) and this is what you understand from it?

Wow.

While you struggle to come up with an answer, I'd like to inform you that the United States is Not the only developed country in the world. Shocked?

Most of our attack helicopters come from Russia or ex-Sov bloc countries. Our new wave of fighter jets were bought from China just a few years back, and we have a fairly robust pilot training scheme with China. Chinese and Russian tanks and APCs are every bit as capable as the kind of hardware the U.S. would have sold to us.
So basically, using the U.S. as an excuse is just plain foolishness, madness and Imbecility when China and Russia would happily sell us whatever hardware we want.

Please read this carefully before responding. Thanks.

lucianohase:
US government are double standard idiots. They accuse Nigerian military of violating the human rights of BH detainees.

Boko Haram detainees, eh? You mean like those 200 innocent people the Nigerian Army just released after illegal detention of up to 2+ years? The ones they had to apologize to a pay a negligible sum of 100k?

I cannot understand you people. So many posts I read here, I have to facepalm really hard. Even with 100% hard evidence that many innocent people are being picked up and treated cruelly in the attempt to purge Boko Haram, you still insist nothing wrong is going on.

Smh

manutdadex:
if they are so concernd abt human rites voilations, wat abt d ones voiletd by BH: freedom to life, to worship, of speech, killin d unarmed, children,student,aged etc? u.S na hypocrate. Now am sure we knw our enemies and friends.

You mean the same Boko Haram the US designated a terrorist group ages ago?

Why are most of you so uninformed?

Penart:
you know them americans asked for a clear map of nigeria,showing every nook and cranny of the country,but our government refused showing them,i think thats what made them waver in the fight against the terrorists,do we have to let them into our "bedroom" for them to help us?

I love how you people believe in such obviously childish fairy tales.
Much more likely that the U.S. has much better mapping data on Nigeria than the FEderal Government does.

The Nigerian Army is larger, supposedly better trained and nominally better equipped than Boko Haram. Let them look towards issues with remuneration, morale and arms distribution to figure out what is wrong.
Et the guys on top stop stealing money meant for the rank and file, and treat army widows well. If I am a soldier given just one bandolier of ammo to fight and I know my widow and kids stand a risk of being cast out of the barracks if I die, what are the odds that I won't just join the other desperate soldiers in fleeing into Cameroon for safety?

GeneralShepherd:
Sometimes I wonder how our leaders think!

Adversity has led to the development of all the major great economies. For example world war 2 , revolutionalised aviation industry in western Europe and Russia.

Everyday our inept leaders cry wolf over America. What is so difficult in producing guns, missiles and military aircrafts.? We have over 1.5billion tonnes of confirmed iron ore in Nigeria.why always blame America!

We have an army of under employed or unemployed engineers,chemists, physists and even project managers that can lead our weapons programme.

PDP, APC and all our leaders are dumb.

Actually, it's actually an ever dumber thing to say that it's not 'that difficult' to turn iron ore into a sophisticated weapons program.

It will take YEARS to get to that level. DECADES perhaps. You will need massive retooling and upgrading of our universities, for a start. Retraining and restaffing. Research labs. Massive investment.
It's a far more Herculean task than just rounding up all our under-employed engineers and tasking them to make a guided missile program in 5 years.

noblezone:
It is too unfortunate that folks like you who claim Nigeria so much have decided to trade Nigeria for political gains.
US is obviously being mischievous and all you do is insult Mr President!
Anyway, just know that when Nigeria finally scatters, and you start looking for whom to blame, add your name on that list.

How is the US being 'mischievous'? If US laws prevents the Americans from selling arms to countries with alleged human rights violations, why condemn them? Why should you expect the U.S. to breach their own laws?

Using the U.S. as an excuse is just despicable. A huge portion of our weaponry ( helicopters, tanks, fighters) are Chinese or Russian. Why not simply buy from them instead?

This is a non-issue. And the Ambassador is a clown for accusing the U.S. of not stopping Boko Haram when the Nigerian Army that is more equipped than Boko Haram is failing at the task.

Nonsense.

stevnwigw1:
how i wish GEJ will put up a suprise tomorrow by using the power vested on him to declare the dissolution of the entity called Nigeria.

He has no such power.

APContherun:
It's only a wretched and demented soul that won't see the connection between Jonathan's reelection bid and these bomb blasts. Why didn't they bomb Yobe when Buhari, Atiku and Kwankwaso had their own declarations?
Perhaps I do not have enough proof that the opposition is behind the blasts but I have more than enough to prove they use these incidents to score cheap political points against Jonathan which I consider most unfortunate. On facebook, nairaland and other fora the opposition is already up in arms against the declaration.

I don't give a rats arse about APC. APC & PDP are just a collection of the same crooks, anyway, and they can f**k off into space for all I care.

What I care about is that 40 children are dead. Forget politics. Why was this not prevented? How could this happen? Why are the people tasked to protect our children falling at the job?

If indeed it is the opposition, why have they not been caught? Bombs have been going off for years. Who do you blame when the rat runs around with impunity if not the cat?

Nonsense.

Aksonman:
- "JONATHAN MUST RESIGN FOR DECLARING RE-ELECTION AFTER YOBE SCHOOL BOMBING"- Opposition leader.

- "GEJ IS TOO HEARTLESS, DECLARES FOR 2015 AFTER 50 CHILDREN BOMBED IN YOBE." -Barcasomtin (Nairaland)

- "GEJ ORGANIZES DECLARATION PARTY IN ABUJA AS YOBE PARENTS MOURN." -Savannah Reporters


GEJ is billed to formally declare for re-elections tomorrow (Tuesday),as expected this event is meant to be a carnival like atmosphere. Now this Yobe School Bombing occurs; to make it more painful,school children were the victims.

I want to believe that a group of desperate politicians have not once again sacrificed children on the altar of politics.

Actually, YOU are the one that has brought Politics into this. Shame on you for this. Have you no shame? These are Children.

You are seeking to pin the blame on 'Opposition politicians', you wretched soul.

Benz4pimp:
Seun for God sakes,i do not see why you can not go through posts,why are you making it look like you are bigger than others that took time to read through the pages?Please stop the question ans answer tingy.

You've made THREE replies to his questions on this page alone, and in none of them have you provided anything like a reasonable answer.

Asking a busy person to read through 40 pages to get an answer you likely already have is just plain silly. There's a man's life at stake here, and Nairaland has an immense reach. Provide him with the answer and stop acting the oaf here.

booqee:
marcjane and chaircovers mum went there

Thank you. Chaircover is a pretty well respected, long-time nairalander. If she says it's cool, I'll go with that. I'll see what I can do.

jamace:
Suspects are held in custody to enable proper investigation. If suspects are not found guilty after investigation, they are released. It is a normal practice.

It is a 'normal practice' to hold someone for two years without trial?! You're really saying that with a straight face?

Thankfully, unlike you the Army themselves know they did wrong, which is why they are apologizing and paying a (relatively meager) reparation fee of 100k to the affected folks.

Good job dodging my question, though.

jamace:
Help me ask them o. So soldiers have become mad men who shoot at worshipers any how? The intention of this report is obviously mischievous and dubious.

The army just apologized and released nearly 200 innocent people they've been holding for up to 2 years.

If someone had come to post on Nairaland that innocent people were being held by the Army, you would have scoffed the same way.

Think about that for a minute

Studentsvoice:
Ayiri was the man that buried his mum inside a hummer jeep,in a six feet grave filled up wiith dollars instead of sand..and was latter cemented for the grave not to be exhumed

this reads like one of those urban myths that people spread for gullible folks to believe.

ofala:
I won't tell you how much I personally lost in the present insanity going there now(I thank God, I was far from the North when they struck) but like I said,..

And of course the only sane thing to do is to remain indifferent to the plight of the folks who are losing and are not fortunate enough to be far away from the crisis?

Smh

ofala:
***You can commit suicide or try to "bomb" Nairaland in your anger, whichever you choose***

Nah. I'll just continue to be a regular human being with empathy for his fellow Nigerians. You should consider leaving this path of inanity and doing the same