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Kobojunkie:
I would rather ask you to show any of what you posted is even biblical

Good one.
1. General grace :Lamentations 3:22-23
22 It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.

2.personal grace.: Genesis 6:8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of that Lord.

3. Grace of salvation : Ephesians 2:8, for by grace are ye saved through faith, and not of yourself :it is the gift of God.

4. Divine grace : Jeremiah 31:2, thus said the Lord , the people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness : even Israel when I went to cause him to rest.

Kobojunkie:
You are wrong !

Prove me wrong!

TheBlessedHero:
So "every living creature" need not be a christian, to receive the grace of God?

If so, what's the benefit of being a christian, that other living creatures won't enjoy?

Let me tell you this : there are types of grace
1. General grace - it includes rainfall, sleeping and waking up, sunshine etc you can enjoy this either you know God or not.
2. Grace of salvation : those that experience this grace are people that accepts Jesus as their lord and Savior
3. Grace of miracle:
4. Grace of giving
5. Personal grace
6 Divine grace

hayoholla:
Examples of what So you want to imply that you are guaranteed a never ending life, so long you are xtian? That his grace covers you absolutely! Do I even need to give you examples when there's one trending online. Mr Man, don't present submissions that will impede the progress of this discourse/argument, like the one you wrote up their asking for example

I just decided to deviate you, to me your question need no response.

maynia:
The more religious a nation is the more backward.

Mention the church in South Korea

Don't get it twisted, there is different from being religious and serving God in truth. A nation maybe religious, how can you know if they are worshipping God in truth.

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

How many nations can her people boast 100% that they truly serve God with all their heart.

hayoholla:
And they can never stop questioning too!

We are ready for their questions

hayoholla:
Those who died from various cause at one point during their lifetime has uttered this statement, still, they met their Waterloo! Can you justify that too? The world is not perfect, neither you or your ideas, beliefs, principles are, so don't try and make your religion or your god perfect!

Give me examples.

hayoholla:
Thankgod, is this the best answer you can give
Is this even tenable to your reasoning if you ask me the same question, and I give you this same reply Please answer me!!!

Of course is justifiable, I am not using any security and God is protecting me. How did you want me to speak for people using security.

Dantedasz:
This is hilarious.
If Christian's stopped disturbing our peace with the loud speakers and amplifiers they place on top of their worship houses. If jehovah's stopped knocking on our doors asking to preach to us. If Christian's stopped pushing their pamphlets into our cars. If you guys stopped preaching to me on a public forum like this one trying to convince me that god came to earth through a virgin and then died on a stake in order to prevent him burning me in an everlasting hell fire incinerator,then maybe then I will stop trying to prove the lack of logic and reasoning in religious beliefs.
Just imagine someone coming on a public forum to peddle myths and yarns and expect not to be challenged!

We can never stop preaching, because God loves you, please come into his marvelous light JESUS and he will set you free. Shalom

frank317:
Hmmm... OK grace gives us access to God, nice. So what is the advantage of this access? What can the person who has the grace (that can access the creator of this whole wold) achieve or do in this world that I can't do because I don't have grace...

The greatest achievement I have through grace that you don't have is: Christ lives in me.

Dantedasz:
Why do Christians always quote their religious book in arguments with atheists that don't believe in the book?
Don't you understand that it is just like a mormon or a Muslim quoting his religious book in an argument with a christian.
The point is that the leaders of the church don't believe in this grace or holy spirit or blood of jesus you are parroting. They only use these terms and phrases to deceive their gullible followers. The leaders of the church are realists that know that there is no security in any grace. The only security they believe in lies in the barrel of a gun and hiding behind bullet proof glass..

I cannot just be emphasizing on religion related issues without quoting from our holy book. If you are an atheist, why not minding your business and let us remain gullible as you said

Dantedasz:
I actually wanted thankgod460 to respond but it is all good you got where I was going.
The leaders of religion do NOT believe in this so called grace.
All the leaders provide all the paraphernalia of adequate security for themselves but ask their followers to believe in a hopeless and impotent grace!

Get this, not all that portrait themselves as men of God are true men of God. By their fruits you shall know them, I am not here to judge.... I didn't support men of God using security.
I know prophets and apostles of olds demonstrated the power of God to the world then. To those who engaged the use of security, I believed they will have something to say about it. I'm not here to judge.
But as for grace : Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Don't combined grace and physical affairs......

frank317:
He is indirectly asking... What is the function of grace?

Most Christians here are saying two things at a time... They are saying is both useful and useless.

Let's be clear on what grace does for a Christian.

Grace function as a free gift from God through the death of his only begotten son which gives us access to God directly without going through any priests for sacrifice either for requests or pardon.

maynia:
Those people that died also thought they had grace example of that girl that was raped and killed in the church.
I'm sure she believes she has Grace, but now she is dead.

Remember the time that tb Joshua church collapse?
Those people thought they had grace until they were dead

What are you insinuating? Are you saying that people with grace are meant to live forever or what?

maynia:
So when people survive an accident and thank God they don't know that it was purely luck?

Have you ever reason why people of your age died and you are still alive. If you can get the answer to this then you know the response to your question .
But let it be known to you that "time and chances happen to them all" Ecclesiastes 9:11e

maynia:
So, No grace then?

Who tell you that grace prevent death? Grace save us from daily sacrifice for sin committed
using sacrificial animals and give us access to Eternity through righteousness in Jesus.
Hebrews 7:27 says who needed not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sin and then for the people's : for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Don't get it twisted

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THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED IN CHURCHES IN NIGERIA SINCE INDEPENDENT TRIPLES THE NUMBER OF THOSE THAT HAVE DIED IN PARTIES.
ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, BEING A CHRISTIAN OFFERS NO IMMUNITY, AND YOUR GOD DOESN'T CARE.

It is a must for all to taste death, in respect of how it come. Mind you 2 timothy 3:12 says yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you can't be killed, it is part of our expectation when we are in the part of righteousness.
let the killer of flesh remain on earth forever.

KingAzubuike:
Coincidentally, the bible seems to even support rape. All you gotta do is pay her bride price and you're as free as a bird.

Exodus 22: 16-17

If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and sleeps with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins.

Also read

Deuteronomy 22:28

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Bible didn't support rape as you think from what you read. If you know how much fifty shekels of silver was at that time you know that no one will dare engage in raping. People of Israel then are very tough and heart harden, so Moses the prophet of God need to establish law that will have a heavy punishment so that they can desist from committing such atrocities.

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GOD CREATES HELL THEN FIGHTS TO SAVE YOU FROM HELL INSTEAD OF JUST CLOSING HELL.

ALL THIS IS STUPID. I CAN NEVER EVER BECOME A CHRISTIAN IN THIS LIFE.

hell was created for Satan and his cohort but everyone that followed devil's will become his agent and end in hell. The son of God came into world not to save people from hell but from Satan deceit that can lead people of this world into hell.

kingxsamz:
Lol, so God loves his people so much that he created hell, and then sends his son to save people from this same hell, which he created?

Have you as well wonder how God created paradise and send those that do his will there?
Genesis 1 Vs 4b says and God divided the light from darkness ". Did you know what it means? These are the two forces ruling the world, mind you hell was created for Satan and his cohort but everyone that followed devil's will become his agent and end in hell. The son of God came into world not to save people from hell but from Satan deceit that can lead people of this world into hell.

kingxsamz:
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So let me get this straight.

An omniscient God creates humans, then sees them doing things which he had always expected, and then sends his son to go and sacrifice himself in order to save these humans from his own wrath?

God sends Jesus to die for humans so that they can be saved from God's wrath?

Nawa o... Religious people.
This level of ignorance cannot be matched.

That shows how God loves the people of the world. Mind you the thought and imagination of God is far from human imagination, that is why you are confused about God being an omniscient God.
You always reference to the word omniscient but to set you free and serve God in faith. Read the text below
Deuteronomy 29:29- the secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children, that we may do all the words of his law.
You are a mortal! If you want to understand the things of spirit, you need to go close to your creator no one is here to convince you because things of spirit are foolishness to carnal man.

As for the issues of Christ death same things apply. Read the text below.
For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God” (I Corinthians 1:18

illicit:
Consider this

Such marriage is not consumable. It was established on falsehood, feel free to divorce! God never recon such marriage as marriage

kingxsamz:
Why don't you save us the stress of asking?
Since you're a believer, you should know.
So tell us.

Have you ever imagine why God harden the heart of Pharaoh so that he can destroyed him for his beloved one (Israelites) to keep his ordinance, if this never happened no one among Israelites will believes there is suprime being called God. Nevertheless Deut 29:29 says the secret things belong into the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong into us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Either you believe it or not, God Almighty know the starting and ending of all things and he does things as it pleases him ( this bring about the word unquestionable). Check revelation 4:11

Rev.4:11- Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”

All things happen has it pleases Him. Imagine how some people of your age died and you are still alive.

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SO HE CREATED YOU TO PRAY TO HIM?

I am not saying that he created us to pray to him,
Is just to buttressed my point that we people are free to asked him anything that seems not clear to us.

[quote author=sonmvayina post=89898958][/quote]Clap for yourself for successfully insulting me on nairaland

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BOOOM!
UNQUESTIONABLE AND MYSTERIOUS.

YOU ARE CREATED TO JUST SERVE HIM UNTIL YOU DIE. DON'T EVEN TRY TO SEEK KNOWLEDGE OR QUESTION THE THINGS YOUR RELIGIOUS GROUP TAUGHT YOU TO DO.. JUST KEEP DOING THEM NO MATTER WHAT. HE IS THE ULTIMATE AND BEGINNING AND END. THAT'S ALL. LET'S ALL JUST BE SHEEP.

PEOPLE LIKE US REJECT YOUR PROPOSAL. WE'LL CONTINUE TO QUESTION EVERYTHING AND NOT ABIDE BY ANY ILLOGICAL RULES.

My brother you are free to talk to God on anything that is not clear to you as per how God arrange all things and situation. He created us for purpose, that is why we pray to him. Good is not dead, ask and he will review to you how he runs his affairs. Don't just post things that can mislead people. Your question portrait God as author of confusion. That makes me to give you the first response

[quote author=sonmvayina post=89898958][/quote]So you have received your award for insulting.

kingxsamz:
I've got another question tho...
Why would an all knowing God create Satan in the first place since he already knows the outcome? If you say he didn't know that Lucifer would turn against him, then God is not omniscient. If you agreee that he knew, then it was his plan all along.
Another one.
Why would an all knowing god create the tree of life and leave it there, since he knows that it could hinder his initial plans for Adam and Eve?

That is why we called him unquestionable God.

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THERE'S ONE WAR IN THE BIBLE, WHERE GOD LED THEM INTO BATTLE AND THEY LOST SEVERELY.

Stop misleading people here. Show me the exact text. We are here to explain for you in details if you don't understand what you read

With God all things are possible....
I was discussing with my brother in USA . After our discussion on Corona virus, I said "May God help us" he mocked me and said pastor, take precautions.
Then, I realized the word of God in Romans 1:21-22&28 that says. "21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Untill when humanity turn to their creator and be more concern with things of God, And careless about ephemeral things of this world and worship their creator, God will keep mute until they recognize him as the one behind man's achievement and give him the true worship than worshipping the spirit of money called Mammon that put money as ultimate goal of man. When we honor God, He will honor us in return. You can see that God reveal not even the secret of the menace to the well know men of God because most of them neglected to rebuked the rulers in high places of all nations, even to the least obe. Churches donating to govt. to tackle covid 19, OMG. I salute the prophets and Apostles of olds.

With God all things are possible....
I was discussing with my brother in USA . After our discussion on Corona virus, I said "May God help us" he mocked me and said pastor, take precautions.
Then, I realized the word of God in Romans 1:21-22&28 that says. "21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Untill when humanity turn to their creator and be more concern with things of God, And careless about ephemeral things of this world and worship their creator, God will keep mute until they recognize him as the one behind man's achievement and give him the true worship than worshipping the spirit of money called Mammon that put money as ultimate goal of man. When we honor God, He will honor us in return. You can see that God reveal not even the secret of the menace to the well know men of God because most of them neglected to rebuked the rulers in high places of all nations, even to the least obe. Churches donating to govt. to tackle covid 19, OMG. I salute the prophets and Apostles of old.

Janosky:
Bros, Na where you go your school ?
I ask you again, final question:
Revelation 3:5,11,12 , according to Jesus Christ in heaven,is Jesus Christ the Son of God?

You are just disturbing yourself. Bros close the chapter..... You have won..... Cheers
But don't forget to pray to God for revelation on the question you asked me.
Thanks