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Christianity EtcRe: Can We Live With These Muslims In Nigeria (nigeria V.s Lebanon) by TheClown: 3:50pm On Jul 30, 2010
vedaxcool:
Some people only know how to write insult no form of intelligence can be attributed to their writing.
This statement applies to you more than anyone else in this forum!!!

Consider this direct reply a priviledge as you actually don't deserve any from me!
Christianity EtcRe: Catholic Orientation by TheClown: 3:42pm On Jul 30, 2010
You don't even sound coordinated! Are you making a statement or asking a question? Are you setting off an opinion poll or what? Then what?
Is it that you want to become a Catholic and needs to make up your mind based on this ill presented, unfounded, biased opinion or what? What exactly do you even know about the Catholic and where did you read anything close to this confusion in words?
If you want to become a Catholic, source info from the right quarters before presenting, and in this fashion for that matter! Just wake up you biased ideas!
Christianity EtcRe: Priestly Celibacy by TheClown: 6:30pm On Jul 29, 2010
Does Pastors' freedom to marry make them immune to sexual harassment? Do some married ones not still cheat with their Church members?
Listen;
Many are called,
Few are chosen,
Only the fittest survives!
Christianity EtcRe: Can We Live With These Muslims In Nigeria (nigeria V.s Lebanon) by TheClown: 5:59pm On Jul 29, 2010
Ogaga4Luv:
@ Topic
   Bullshit!!  angry, Who the heck are the Christians anyway?,or you're trying to invite confussion?,i always known the Islam is far better than christianity,so pleeease!,stop the whole madness!!




Shut up your maggot spewing decayed mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your Education is caged in an ancient dirt  riddled pot fit for the museum of violence. Your brain cavity is hollow!!!!!!!!!

naughty person!

If you like tell your brothers in psychotic violence to tow their usual line of savage massacre of Christians to show solidarity like they've always done. It would be their worst nightmare!!!

Just know that they litter the streets of Port Harcourt, I foresee Nigeria becoming two nations in no time.

Fool.
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Christianity EtcRe: Pope In Hell by TheClown: 12:45pm On Jul 29, 2010
I just don't understand why every tom,dick and harry who wakes in the morning with a funny nightmare would form an inflated opinion and the next thing he thinks of doing is criticize the Catholic Church when they have logs in their eyes?
They draw from horrible incidents along the 2000yrs of Catholic Church history and demonize the mother Church even when their own Churches which is not up to 150yrs old has skeletons as well.
They make conclusions on what they don't understand and can't explain. Its one thing to understand something and reject it and its another thing to not understand at all and pretend to have perfect knowledge.
They forget that there is the Christian Bible and also Christian Customs! The Catholic Church being the mother church (I know fools would dispute this) inherited the Custom and compiled the various scriptures available to them into a holy book which they simply called Biblia (Latin) meaning the " The book".
Just simply know that there are some things you, as a pentecostal cannot understand about the Catholic Church unless you try. Call it Dogma or whatever, a religion which depends only on what it can see, touch, perceive, smell and hear is science based. That is why people prefer the gospel of mammon these days rather than the gospel of the cross. You can argue from now till tomorrow that yours is not a religion, utter words play!

I often wonder whenever I visit this section and see rubbish against the Catholic Church, come to think of it, this is the same church that more than any church defied the dangers of barbaric customs of many lands, Africa most inclusive and broke their primitive practices, enduring death in ugliest descriptions , persecutions that sometimes defy adequate explanation to the understanding of  most modern Pentecostal's merry go easy understandings. What you criticize today, in totality, was the same weapon they used to survive the evil forests of your fore-fathers and made most of your brethren Catholics long before the arrival of the flashy gospel of Pentecostalism. It was that same Catholic teaching that moved them to forfeit the pleasures of this life and its private jets to face the persecutions and the difficulties that lurked in  most of our barbaric lands. I'm from the North, stories still abound of how priests were shot dead with arrows one after another but kept coming until they had to listen to their messages. There is virtually no place on this earth without Catholics, just thinks of the most hostile of places. This is to say the least!

Now the land is broken, alot of ill informed and unserious Catholics abound for Shiny, well dressed, well fed, easy speaking, beautiful scenario painting, worldly hope giving Pentecostals to convert. Second wave of conversion, easy. Thus, the Catholic Church is the smelly Church, filled with everything appalling. Easy, yours is bad, mine is better, so come! Now the phrase 'pope in hell' is employed to lure people into consuming whatever information you have to pass, it now sounds very interesting. I'm sure if I single out a particular popular pastor with such an unfounded phase, what it would draw from his flock would be immediate condemnation and invocation of God's wrath on me, supporting it with relevant portion of the Bible. But now, yours is catchy!

Pope in hell indeed!!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Rccg Pastor Again,,,na Waooooo! by TheClown: 8:19am On Jul 29, 2010
That a pastor of a church commits an offence does not mean the whole church should bear the blame, everyone has his own cross to carry. stop castigating churches.
PoliticsRe: Naval Officers Beat Up A Lady And Stripped Her - Watch Video by TheClown: 6:25pm On Jul 24, 2010
The girl is a witch, ogbanje. Deliberately blocked an Admiral's convoy, slapped and tore a Rating's shirt, and had someone positioned to record because she knew what would follow. Was she expected to be begged to remove her car to the right lane or to kissed and congratulated! Even in the USA convoys are respected. This was planned in the coven, its only manifesting. Admiral Harry is a gentleman, those who really know him would testify.
RomanceRe: Making Love With Your Man Friend In Your Matrimonial Bed by TheClown: 6:31pm On Jul 22, 2010
I forsee someone being slashed to pieces!!!!!!!!!! yewhoo!!!!!!!!!!!!
RomanceRe: Please Advice, She Was Only Forming Virgin by TheClown: 6:11pm On Jul 22, 2010
Go ahead and marry her, if you say she is a good girl then she's good. 23yrs are hardly good girls but if you say she is, then she is. Only find out why she laid to you and make your judgment.
Christianity EtcRe: 2000 Years Of Christian Love by TheClown: 3:42pm On Jul 21, 2010
Na you get your hand, you fit carry am type wetin you want, label me whatever you want. I would argue with you objectively. 
I don't believe in white washing dirty truths with bright words and philosophies, obviously sweeping dark parts under the carpet, dwelling upon and magnifying the very little aspects of Islam which might suggest that it was in the long run tolerant of Jews.
Read the following quotes from the Holy Quran and the Sunna of the prophet, happy reading.

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
Qur'an 59:14 "The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell
Qur'an 2:96 "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful thing that awaits them."
Qur'an 4:55 "Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!"
Qur'an 5:13 "But because of their breach of their covenant We cursed the Jews, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and forget and abandon a good part of the message that was sent them. Nor will you cease to find deceit in them. And because of their breaking their covenant We have cursed them. They altered words from their context and they neglected a portion of the message they were reminded of."
Qur'an 5:41 "Or it be among the Jews, men who will listen to any lie. They change the context of the words from their (right) times and places,  For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.""
Qur'an 5:64 "The Jews say: 'Allah's hands are fettered.' Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the blasphemy they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched, giving [Muslims Jewish booty] as He pleases. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Doom. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah does extinguish it. But they strive to do mischief on earth."
Qur'an 59:2 "It was He [Allah] who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their [Medina] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. You did not think that they would go away. And they imagined that their settlement would protect them against Allah. But Allah's (torment) came at them from where they did not suspect and terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson O men who have eyes. This is My warning. Had Allah not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them into the desert, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the next they shall taste the torment of Hell Fire."
Qur'an 2:61 "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved Allah's Proofs, Signs and Verses and killed the prophets. They disobeyed and rebelled."
Qur'an 2:79 "But woe to the Jews who fake the Scriptures and say, 'This is from God,' so that they might earn some profit thereby.' And woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn from it.'"
Qur'an 2:109 "Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you [Muslim] (people) back to infidelity after you have believed [submitted], through selfish envy, even after the Truth has become manifest to them. Indulge them until Allah issues his orders."
Qur'an 59:2 "It was Allah who drove the (Jewish) People from their [Yathrib] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. They imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah's Torment came at them from where they did not suspect. He terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson. This is My warning. Had I not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them to the desert, I would have punished them. They shall taste the torment of Hell Fire."
Qur'an 59:4 "That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger. If any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment."
Qur'an 59:6 "What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away from the Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish) people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle."
Qur'an 59:17 "Both [Jews and Satan] will go into the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein forever. Such is the reward of the Zalimun (disbelievers and polytheists)."
Qur'an 62:5 "The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of an backside which carries huge books (but understands them not). Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the Verses of Allah."
Qur'an 62:6 "Say: 'You Jews! If you think that you are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then desire death, if you are truthful!' But never will they long (for death), because of what their hands have done before them! Allah knows well the polytheists! Say: 'The Death from which you flee will truly overtake you.'"
Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before." [Version two:] "And He drove the People of the Scripture down from their homes and cast panic into their hearts. Some you killed, and you made some captive. And He caused you to inherit their farms, houses, wealth, and land you have not trodden."

All these are from the Holy Quran. If I have the cause to quote again, it would be from the Hadiths.
Have a nice day.
Christianity EtcRe: 2000 Years Of Christian Love by TheClown: 10:45am On Jul 21, 2010
@Vedaxcool

I've come discover that you just post anything that look anti christianity on this site without actually making findings about your own religion. I hate to engage in this inter-religion argument because it forces one to be disrespectful and subjective but your arrogant ignorance keeps forcing ones hand.
Now I put it to you that even if every religion should label christianity as anti-semitic, not Islam. If you think otherwise, be bold enough to ask for proves, am waiting. wink
Christianity EtcDoes Grace Mean That A Christian Has The Right To Commit Sin? by TheClown(op): 9:53pm On Jul 20, 2010
Can anyone clarify me on this topic please. If yes, then are the commandments irrelevant? If no then why do some christian explain away their untamed sinful nature wielding grace as a weapon, actually presenting Christianity in a bad light?

No offense intended please, some years back in school, I observed to a born (not sure of his denomination) that some male and female members of a certain denomination (name withheld to avoid ill feeling and attack) who outwardly profess to be born again co-habit, as per couples and he asked me, 'have you ever heard of grace?' I tried to clarify my stand with my own understanding of grace but realised that i was very much having a minority opinion. As an Orthodox Christian believed to have a scanty Bible Knowledge, I kept quiet, knowing though that its either I'm right or Christianity is experiencing a changing phase and my Orthodox Ideas are no more relevant.

I was reading an incidence that occurred between a Christian and Mahatma Gandhi and what the Christian said and even did because of his thoughts concerning sin and grace and I'm forced to seek your sincere opinions.
Christianity EtcRe: What's The True Religion? by TheClown: 9:23pm On Jul 20, 2010
True Religion is this;

Know, oh man, there is a God!

Love this God with all your heart, with all your soul.

Love your neighbor as yourself. This last is the greatest of all.
PoliticsRe: Even Al-mustapha Too: by TheClown: 3:20pm On Jul 20, 2010
Laughable, though not funny. Thus I laugh without humour!  grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
PoliticsRe: Freed Journalists In Corruption Scandal by TheClown: 3:15pm On Jul 20, 2010
Well Nigeria is highly messed up. No honours, no intergrity. How I wish kidnappers would continue to besiege politicians and their co-corrupt sidekicks. That is how revolution starts. Earmark bastards and whisk them away to hell, tomorrow there would be some caution.
How I wish say na the likes of Oandoakaa and Bankole them kidnap. Kudos for the kidnap of Sani Lulu mama sha, except say she be old woman.
RomanceRe: At The Verge Of Break Up by TheClown: 11:14am On Jul 20, 2010
Please Nairalanders don't just conclude that all the guy wants is sex and nothing more. Its possible the guy is really pressed and wants to ease the sexual pressure with the seemingly right person. I've seen a wonderful relationship end this way. I'm also in a relationship presently and my girl is opposed to having intimacy before marriage. I guess too that she's afraid of my real intentions even though its crystal clear thats it nothing but marriage. I respect the female dignity so much that I can't force a girl against her will, call it deception, cajoling, tepting, whatever, I can't contemplate any once the whoever is concerned has taken her stand. But, I'm not a virgin, meaning I've tested exactly what it means to have sex, also, the urge come from time to time which I can't totally surpress, you can guess what the implication is and be confident of your answer. That does not mean I should break my relationship, I respect my girl and even more because of her decision, I admire self control, especially in the so called weaker sex.

That haven been said, I implore you not to assume that the sole reason for his wanting sex is just to taste the fruit and give you his back. Just use your intuition. Its very hard to take a hard stand in this issue because men being who they are are not predictable in matters like this and it would hurt so much if your fear is confirmed. My sincere advice for you is to hold on to your convictions, don't give in to his pressures, don't break! But, contrary to some people's advice, don't assume that he would dump you and thus do the dumping before he does. He might later come to realise and value the rare gem God has delivered unto his hands. Just keep trying to make him realise your stand but with better reason than you hitherto gave him, for eg, it is against the ideals of Christianity and most especially, against your convictions, period.
Nairaland GeneralRe: Mystery: Sheep Gave Birth To A Human Baby In Oyo Town! by TheClown: 10:20am On Jul 20, 2010
Tolulop001:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^LMAO
poster is a clown jare,
POSTER CAN BE ANYTHING ELSE BUT NOT A CLOWN! grin cheesy
RomanceRe: Hear Out My Story Please. Tell Me What To Do! by TheClown: 9:35pm On Jul 16, 2010
Well after reading your post, I didn't really see what you really did wrong. She instructed you to read every of her letter that comes to you to her hearing on the phone which you did. Her appointment letter came and after reading it to her, she freaked out and ended the relationship! I really can't see the immediate cause of her freaking out. That haven been said, it appears you love her very much and she loved you too, so much as to lift you off the street in tatters and gave you a course to steer. If i'm in your position, there is close to nothing this woman can do to offend me except infidelity! Even she plots to assassinate me I would still forgive her and love her like nothing like that happened. I would learn her weaknesses and strive to protect her from them. There is nothing to be confused about, go back to her, love her like she truely deserve to be love and force her into loving you like never before. You are afraid she might not get enough love from you and might not give enough, well, those are assumptions. Knowing the kind of love she had for you, you might never be able to love another woman wholeheartedly.
PoliticsRe: Ibb Backs Out Of 2011! by TheClown: 9:28am On Jul 16, 2010
Big B 1, where you dey? cheesy
PoliticsSudan's President To Be Arrested On Genocide Charge, Darfurians Claim Victory. by TheClown(op): 8:49am On Jul 16, 2010
Genocide charges brought against Sudan’s President Omar al-Bashir by the International Criminal Court (ICC) have been dismissed by Khartoum as a "political" decision by The Hague-based court, but the rebel Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) described it as a "victory for the people of Darfur and the entire humanity".

According to the ICC’s new warrant issued on Monday, President al-Bashir acted with specific intent to destroy Masalit and Zaghawa ethnic groups of Darfur. Prosecutor had presented evidence of government forces contaminating the wells and water pumps of villages inhabited by these groups, who were also subject to forcible transfer "in furtherance of the genocidal policy", the ICC statement read.

"One of the reasonable conclusions that can be drawn is that, the conditions of life inflicted on the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa groups were calculated to bring about the physical destruction of a part of those ethnic groups.”

But disagreeing with the judgment which held that as president and commander-in-chief, al-Bashir likely "played an essential role in coordinating" a common plan to this end, Sudan’s Information Minister, Kamal Obeid told Suna news agency in Kartoum that the "adding of the genocide accusation confirms that the ICC is a political court.

“Adding of the genocide accusation confirms that the ICC is a political court. The ICC decision is of no concern to us, the Sudanese government. We focus on development," Obeid said in a statement released by Suna.

Victory

Albeit, members of the Justice and Equality Movement believe that the ICCs first warrant for genocide was justice and victory not only for Darfurians but for humanity. "It will give hope to the people of Darfur that justice will be made,” JEM spokesman Ahmad Hussein told AFP.

In Monday’s decision, the ICC said there were reasonable grounds to believe that villages and towns "were selected on the basis of their ethnic composition" for attack by Sudanese government forces.

"Towns and villages inhabited by other tribes, as well as rebel locations, were bypassed in order to attack towns and villages known to be inhabited by civilians belonging to the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa ethnic groups.

"It also appeared likely that acts of rape, torture and forcible displacement were committed against members of the targeted ethnic groups," the court said.

Human rights groups joined JEM in hailing the ICC decision, and urged world powers to work towards al-Bashir’s swift arrest and trial, but also expressed concern the ruling could prompt further retaliation by the Khartoum government against civilians.
IslamNigerian Sect Leader Praises Al-qaeda, Warns Us by TheClown(op): 3:09pm On Jul 14, 2010
LAGOS (Reuters) - A former leader of a Nigerian Islamic sect behind an uprising last year which killed hundreds of people has issued a statement expressing solidarity with al Qaeda and threatening the United States.

Abubakar Shekau, a former deputy leader of the Boko Haram sect who was thought to have been killed by police in last year's fighting, offered condolences for the deaths of al Qaeda commanders in Iraq in the statement on a jihadist website.

"Do not think jihad is over. Rather jihad has just begun. O America, die with your fury," the statement said, according to a translation published by the U.S.-based SITE Intelligence Group.

SITE said the statement was addressed to al Qaeda affiliated groups in Algeria, Somalia and Yemen, as well as Iraq.

A five-day uprising by Boko Haram around the northern Nigerian city of Maiduguri a year ago killed close to 800 people, as security forces fought days of gun battles to end rioting by sect members

Boko Haram is one of a number of militant movements in northern Nigeria which wants sharia (Islamic law) to be imposed more widely in Africa's most populous nation.

Nigeria, a vast nation of more than 140 million people and more than 200 ethnic groups, is roughly equally divided between Christians and Muslims.

Boko Haram's views are not espoused by the majority of Nigeria's Muslim population, the largest in sub-Saharan Africa, and there has been little published evidence of well-established links between Nigerian militants and al Qaeda.

West African Islam is overwhelmingly moderate but underlying issues of poverty, unemployment and a lack of education means sect leaders have been able to gain a cult-like following in some parts of the region.

A Nigerian man, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, stands accused of trying to blow up a U.S. commercial airliner on Christmas Day last year with a bomb hidden in his underwear. He has said he was trained by militants in Yemen affiliated with al Qaeda.

But Abdulmutallab was educated in London and the Middle East and is not believed to have been radicalised in Nigeria.

http://www.nigeriamasterweb.com/paperfrmes.html
PoliticsRe: New Attacks On Christians In Kaduna State by TheClown: 10:58am On Jul 12, 2010
@Snowdrops

A Clown makes people happy, he is also seen by all to be happy. From that view point, I'm The Clown.

Why do you call yourself snowdrop?
PoliticsRe: New Attacks On Christians In Kaduna State by TheClown: 10:34am On Jul 12, 2010
Gentlemen, this thing is all over the world, Islam must seek to destroy whatever is not hers. Last Friday, on the 9th 0f July, a professor's arm was cut-off and thrown away in the city of Cochin in India, where Islam is in the minority. Reason; his question paper was questionable as regards Islamic believe. Truth is, the world is blind to all these, no one wants to hurt feeling by saying the truth. In a religion where sheiks ask their followers to strive to become matters in the course of killing another innocent man calls for caution. A sheik in Kashmir asked for this from his followers over the weekend in response to the crisis in Srinagar. Nothing surprises me anymore concerning these people. Not only in Nigeria, the story is the same all over the world. In fact if my brother becomes a Muslim today, I know I've lost him because he can take my life tomorrow without blinking an eyelid.
I await your condemnations in response to this post, bring it on!
PoliticsRe: Northern Governors are the King Makers.Jonathan Can Never Be President,period! by TheClown: 1:06pm On Jul 11, 2010
I'm from Kogi State and to tell you the truth, I've never seen myself as a northerner! Reason; We've never been treated as such by the so called core northerners right from the days of our fathers, thus, some of them claimed Kano and other core northern towns. As it stands now, anyone who sees the old northern province as one is basking in deception!
To address you directly @Pikadily, the middle belt states are to a very large extent free of hausa influence! I grew up in Kogi and I couldn't understand a single hausa word until studies took me to zaria. You would also agree with me that states like kwara and benue have nothing hausa about them. Plateau may have hausa as a common language of communication but the core north has no influence there. The southern kaduna tribes are waking up too! To tell you the bitter truth, the so called northern political prowess that lies 50 percent in the middle belt is tilted now tilted away. public opinion shows that that loyalty of the erstwhile middle belt to the north is gone, believe me.
PoliticsRe: 2011: Ribadu Declines To Contest For Presidency by TheClown: 10:40am On Jul 11, 2010
@Big B1

Did you notice how Papa Browne and Gbewe argued? Those are intellectuals! Logical, tolerative, insult free and even educative! Look to the ants oh sluggard, learn their ways and be wise!
FamilyRe: Monster In Law Or Mother In Law? by TheClown: 9:48am On Jul 11, 2010
Refuse my mother entering into my house in my absence (of course) and you would follow her when I return, what nonsense, my mother?! WHAT THE F, CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Remembering September 11 by TheClown: 8:28am On Jul 09, 2010
And with all these you have proven the Sept 11 attack justifiable! embarassed Wake up your ideas. angry
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by TheClown: 9:12am On Jul 08, 2010
Some people once they've made up their minds about something, they become blind to reason! Too bad. embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by TheClown: 6:20pm On Jul 07, 2010
Let me tell us why we are all ranting and raving about TBJ being this and being that.

We are modern, attracted to things that ooze with modernity and sophistication, in that, we are entertained.

TBJ oozes with no great carnal learning, his doings, words and attitudes are far from entertaining, his methods are quite alien to the sophisticated, flashy and verbally appealing world of ours.

Thus he's not too successful in mesmerizing our young, pleasure seeking and adventurous minds, consequently, he stands out in his unappealing ways among a crop of Star pastors, our acceptables.

Thus standing out, we point our fingers at him and cry, 'he is fake, he is sinister, he is not born again, !'

Yet we are the same people who threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot to prove that certain pastors, bearing the same fruit with TBJ but of the order of the new methods, are innocents when authentic adverse reports are given about them!

Lets examine our Christianity,
If TBJ is not authentic, look again, the list might not be complete!
And maybe if the list is complete, they might not be acceptable to many, thus rendering it null and void, amidst quoting and counter quoting!

I say again, religion is not a joint venture, rather, it is everyman for himself, God for us all.
Fight therefore for your soul and the best you can do for others is personally admonishing them or praying for them like Saint Monica kept doing for Saint Augustine until God converted him and made him one of the greatest doctors of Christianity.

In condemning, you are either against God or against the Devil and that is known to only God who sees the heart of man.
Zeal is empty without knowledge!
Christianity EtcRe: Islam And War! by TheClown: 5:09pm On Jul 07, 2010
Qur'an:8:67[b] "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."[/b]


You may continue grabbing for straws, I'm off.
Christianity EtcRe: Islam And War! by TheClown: 5:07pm On Jul 07, 2010
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."

Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."

Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."

Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."

Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"

Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"

Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"

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