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Frankenstein:
Do you believe voodoo and black magic are real? Please try not to deviate from the question.

mesoade:
so basically miracle is tricks?

mesoade:
As a christian i'd witnessed deliverances and miracles, even a miracle of a man medically declared lame,but after prayers began to work . . So it makes a lot of sense that there is someone supernatural behind it . .
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So i want to know this,what do you think about miracles?. .

Image123:
Yeah, your quote is a threat. The blue below is a warning. You don't go to hell chiefly because you don't believe(Just like you don't die chiefly because you crossed the road carelessly, there was a car/cars), you go to hell because you are a sinner BY NATURE. Sinners go to hell, just like spoilt food go to the dustbin.
Not giving your life to Christ especially when you could have shows your pride and decision to go to hell literally. You miss out on the power to live the life of a child of God. A life that enjoys victory and power over sin and its influence. You miss out from a possible eternity with God and instead settle for a possible eternity in damnation.
Here is why Jesus(God) created hell. The prison is not prepared for you but for criminals. If however YOU become criminal and stay so, you go to prison.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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Well, that is how you work. You follow their guidance, training and advice which they have penned down or that you hear about or see. Their ideas are your model, your copy and paste.

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1. Do you have doubts on your opinions about God, Heaven and eternity?

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2. There are christian thinkers and intelligent researchers and scientists. For one instance, i have been thinking with you as it were. If you would think deeply, you would know that there is God.

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3. Your role model Ingersoll said so and you reflect it by quoting that "It is incredible that only idiots are absolutely sure of salvation. It is incredible that the more brain you have the less your chance is. There can be no danger in honest thought, and if the world ever advances beyond what it is to-day, it must be led by men who express their real opinions."

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You said "I'm in such a position(to determine what cruelty is) because I can think." That supposes and implies that a different opinion from yours cannot think. For one instance, you think God is cruel, i think God is not cruel. Whose opinion should be followed? Why would your view be superior to mine? The question on your view/position on adultery and color is random. In the sense that i could ask the same on examination malpractice, gambling, rebellion, bribery, staling, rioting, rebellion or corruption. People have different opinions on each of these issues and more. What makes your view/position more moral than theirs?

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Why is it the right approach?

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God chiefly. He is the FOUNDATION of my morality upon which other structures lie. That way, morality is not essentially relative as the right approach to living as a human. your right approach may not be Goodluck Jonathan's right approach or Hitler's.

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What makes killing twins immoral. Some societies thought it was the right approach to living as humans. Some people think abortion on some grounds is the right approach to living as a human, Some people do not think so. That is the point i am driving home. Societies that killed other societies based on the command of a powerful person were not moral. Emphasis on "a powerful person". God is not a MAN, He is higher. On a plain field, if soccer player A commits a foul on Barcelona player Messi, no player on the field would commit a just foul in return or force out soccer player A. It is the Umpire that determines that. Is the Umpire not human, he is. but he acts on the authority of a governing body. Jungle justice is not the same as the one duly served by the law enforcement, even if it is the same sentence.

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i am also a social and empathic human being, anybody can make that claim as it were. Again, God is the basis/foundation of my morality.

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So you are not angry at God or any of His actions? True christians do not commit any atocities. The Word of God makes sure to that. The New Testament/Covenant/Agreement is our agreement, and a true christian is obedient to that agreement. That agreement is void of what may be termed atrocities, it is an agreement of Love and Grace. God is Love. The likes of Stalin and Hitler were like you and the world knows what they went on to do. They had no fear of God. No one with the fear of my God and a respect for the agreement would do what your likes(Stalin and Hitler) did. If you ignored God, you would not spend your time talking about Him.

tevinsolt:
I don't know what previous laws you're talking about. the same moral laws in the old testament are repeated in the new testament.

tevinsolt:
God commanded the Canaanites to be killed, why they were sacrificing their babies, after series of warnings they kept at it, and God brought judgement on them.

tevinsolt:
According to you if God is not the standard of Morality then isn't it Just survival of the fittest in an unguided world? so where do you get off saying it is immoral?

tevinsolt:
Umm in the context of an oppressed man in captivity calling for retaliation against their captors?

tevinsolt:
But if there's no God (which I assume is the view you hold) and ultimately there's no purpose to life what's wrong with it?

tevinsolt:
I'm sure you had an education, but who knows, anyway if you did and you took an English class, I'm sure you were taught how to read in context. there are so many resources online you could to your personal benefit.

tevinsolt:
If God is the standard of morality, how can he be immoral, the meter stick can never not be the meter stick ....for the fact you said God commanded rape, my time will be wasted talking to you.

tevinsolt:
Morality by definition is an idea that upholds the worth and dignity of humans. immorality is opposite, you can't have one be the other that's a contradiction. there's never a time the murder of someone is right or the rape of someone is right, in the absolute sense of it rape is wrong, regardless of anyone's opinion.

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If i told you that "Not being careful while crossing the broadway, or driving and overspeeding kills. Would that be a threat? People go to hell because that is where people who do not go to Heaven go. You for instance have no excuse.

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When you follow their guidance, training and advice which they have penned down or that you hear about or see. Their ideas are your model, your copy and paste.

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1. How would anybody come to conclusions that only idiots are absolutely sure of salvation?
2. How would anybody come to conclusions that the more brain you have the less your chance is?
3. What makes you think that believers are not expressing their real opinion?
These were the questions asked.

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Oh, so a differing opinion from your cannot think? What is your view/position on adultery, and what makes your view superior to a contrary one? Do you think the color blue is better than the color red?

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What makes you moral?

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Popular opinion or common standard of justice?

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Were the societies that killed twins moral?

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Who determines your morality, or what are the basis?

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If you were ignoring Him, you wouldn't be so mad at Him. What am i capable of? Do you forget the sordid history of popular atheists and agnostics? Spending your life hating God and reading up on how to "attack" Him, is not ignoring Him.

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Not giving your life to Christ especially when you could have shows your pride and decision to go to hell literally. You miss out on the power to live the life of a child of God. A life that enjoys victory and power over sin and its influence. You miss out from a possible eternity with God and instead settle for a possible eternity in damnation.

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A mentor gives guidance, training and advice to a less experienced and often younger person. That is what Ingersoll and co are to you. You copy and paste their thinking and ideas.

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How would anybody come to conclusions that only idiots are absolutely sure of salvation, or that the more brain you have the less your chance is? What makes you think that believers are not expressing their real opinion?

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How did you get into such a position? What if another's position differs from yours, what makes your position superior? Are you moral?

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When are you going to follow these words of yours? Does it haunt you yet that you do not know the God of Heaven?

UyiIredia:
He wouldn't and that's why we have the Bible so we know stuff God, being good, won't approve of.

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He ended up without giving his life to Christ. Now you know that dead people can be your mentors and they are. The likes of Nietztche, Ingersoll, and the other spiritually dead ones like Russell.

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It is indeed incredible and mischievous of you and Ingersoll to so conclude.

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You are not in a position to say what is cruelty and what is not. Is there a moral law to so say? Who gave or gives it?

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The God of Heaven should not be ignored selectively.

UyiIredia:
Wasn't God doing it for the sake of Israel ? Besides those killing in the OT weren't a genocide. It wasn't racially motivated; it was based on an economic want or divine fiat.

UyiIredia:
It doesn't though you polarize the issue too much. This is expected since you don't even see anything to the cross. Your only interest is in portraying God as a hateful murderer.

UyiIredia:
Strange as it is. It is, SOMETIMES. Many of these tribes would have gladly let the wandering Jews die as we see in the case of Baalam. Some had wicked practices. Love does not preclude killing. You can kill with a clean conscience because of love for abstracts such as freedom as the Americans did.

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Hahaha, you had to conjure up one of your mentors. Hopefully, you don't end up like him.

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Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

It is incredible that only idiots are absolutely sure of salvation. It is incredible that the more brain you have the less your chance is. There can be no danger in honest thought, and if the world ever advances beyond what it is to-day, it must be led by men who express their real opinions.

Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy.

The God of Hell should be held in loathing, contempt and scorn. A God who threatens eternal pain should be hated, not loved — cursed, not worshiped. A heaven presided over by such a God must be below the lowest hell. I want no part in any heaven in which the saved, the ransomed and redeemed will drown with shouts of joy the cries and sobs of hell — in which happiness will forget misery, where the tears of the lost only increase laughter and double bliss.

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God is love, beat yourself or something.

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Prayer is not grovelling, have you ever prayed? Do you know what it means to pray? i'm the one living my life and my God is real. What is the purpose of your life? What is the meaning of your life? Do you have any mentor(s)? Do you know how they died, i know.

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Confused statements are not conditional statements. You made a confused statement. Which do you believe, think or accept? Is God love or not?

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Kindly explain how it is folly to believe in God. i've never had to grovel before God BTW, you seem to have a poor imagination. Your life is meaningless and purposeless, and you would end up frustrated and unfulfilled if you live long and continue this way. That is the trend your mentors took, i'm sure you know.

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Don't be ridiculous yet again. You said in the same breath that Actually, my point is that your God is not love. Then, Sure God is love. Your confusion remains pitiable and you do not know it. It's either God is love or God is not love, which one can you cope with? You believe God does not exist, but you have daymares and seizures talking about Him. Come out of folly, Jesus loves you yet.

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It is never folly to believe in God, I've got my life and eternity taken care of. You in folly are living a meaningless life with prospects of an hopeless eternity except you repent.

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Your confusion is pitiable. So conveniently, God is love so that He is blind, but He's suddenly not love so that you can glory in your misery of hate propaganda. Don't let the devil continue playing ludo with your brain this way, it's unfair.
Another year dawns, come out of folly. Jesus saves.

UyiIredia:
Not all tribes mentioned in the Bible were to be killed. I believe you are deliberately ignoring this fact.

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Your folly of not believing in Him. It is not your fault that God is Love, it is His nature.

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i referred to my love, not yours, you still have this problem with comprehension. God is the definition, the expression and the demonstration of love. Your love may as well count for nothing except it conforms to God's. Who told you my God does not marry BTW, are you not aware that the church is the Bride of God? You my friend remain the same ignorant fellow despite the passage of time. Another year dawns.

texanomaly:
I didn't bring up God. You did. Not feeding your obsession with God was deliberate. I refuse to engage in this vein of conversation. I made my statement about love. If you wish to talk about God, take it up with someone else. Thank you.

UyiIredia:
It helped that there are many existing tribes God didn't mention and_by implication_tolerated. It also helps that Jesus Himself allowed his disciples work on the Sabbath and that he paid the price of obeying numerous laws on the cross.

texanomaly:
"Love is not blind-It sees more and not less, but because it sees more it is willing to see less."
~Will Moss


Love allows us to "see" past others' faults. After all, none of us is perfect. Love helps us become less judgmental and more tolerant.

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Yeah bro, He turns a blind eye on your folly because He loves you.

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Nonetheless, my love would not marry a dog or a gay, as blind as it is.

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God is Love.

robbh:
Winners Chapel General overseer Bishop David Oyedepo who recently turned 60, has reacted to the Forbes List of World's Richest pastors where he was placed at No.1 with an estimated worth of about $150million.

When Asked about Forbes' estimate of his fortune, Bishop Oyedepo told Reuters that he hasn't seen himself as having $150 million stacked up somewhere
"For me, to have fortune means someone who has what he needs at any point in time. I don't see myself as having $150 million stacked up somewhere. Whatever way they found their figures, I am only able to say I am blessed by the Lord."
Asked if churches should pay tax considering how much they make, Bishop Oyedepo said;
"There is no single government input on this premises. We supply our water, we make our roads, then you ... say: 'Let's tax them'. For what?"

Source: http://www.stellagossip.com/2014/10/i-don-see-myself-as-having-150-million.html

Martian:
Anony has been right after all!!! There is Objective Morality and thehomer is the source.