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raumdeuter:
ISIS is now attacking fellow moslems for not practising their own type of Islam

Roman Catholic Church did same or even worse to Christians who did bow to the Pope's authority. Christians who said they only recognized the scripture as guide for everything were murdered in their thousands with Pope promising straight passage to heaven (instead of having to to their holding bay, purgatory) to anyone who dies while carrying out the anathema of those people.

That is what is called the inquisition

valdes00:
Trouble is when ur village
Pple are discussing who
To use for next sacrifice
And u pass by singing
"All of me" by John legend lol

Abeg no let me vomit... all of me

uyplus:
Smh! Bros don't try to the bible ok, before you attract the 12 plagues of egypt to your life. So who was Deuteronomy 14 22 to 29 referring to?

Please explain Matt 23:23

TANTUMERGO007:
SINNER TO MARY TO JESUS TO GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT

I have asked a question here on nairaland and no one of you guys have attempted it ...Reconcile the following statement with the scripture


This is your church official report of her statement when she visited some places:

At Fatima.

I will never leave you.
My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God.
Sacrifice yourselves for the conversion of sinner and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary
I promise to assist at the hour of death with all the graces necessary for salvation all those who, on the first Saturday of five consecutive months, go to Confession and receive Holy Communion, recite five decades of the Rosary and keep me company for a quarter of an hour while meditating on the mysteries of the Rosary with the intention of making reparation to me.3

The holy child Jesus, who accompanied her as a child made this one:

Have pity on the Heart of your Most Holy Mother. It is covered with thorns with which ungrateful men pierce it at every moment, and there is no one to remove them with an act of reparation.42


Mary" declares: "Everyone worships God in his own way with peace in our hearts." 14 So says Our Lady of Medjugorje in Southern Bosnia-Herzegovina, where visionaries claim the Virgin has been appearing daily for the past 13 years15 in the heart of Ustashi Croatia.

uyplus:
Who was he addressing? Wasn't it the Levitical priest? Or do you have any contrary information not written in the bible? Or do you want to assume for the bible that it extends to non descendants of the tribe of Levi?

Matt 23:23 wasn't addressed to Levi but religious leaders of old

softmind24:
when they order for the submission of any Islamic religion material in Muslims home


Our xtians brothers were dancing




Today the hammer is on them

When snake bites a man anything that looks like snake is treated with caution .... it is history that has driven China and Russia over the edge ...when an otherwise unifying body plays the role of a covert and subversive element for another nation in order to pull down another , we suspect everything that resemble them

seunmsg:
Once Obiano comes on board, everything will be taken care of. Agreement will be reached and promises made. The APGA political machinery will be fully funded to work for the president. So, it doesn't matter whether they like him or not, he would be supported based on political expediency. There is nothing in PDP for Obiano.

Politics is very dynamic... what it is today may not necessarily be what it would be tomorrow. Until the carpet crossing game leading to every election is complete and a revised electoral act is published by Saraki's NASS and signed by the presidency, nothing is certain.

seunmsg:
The presidential result would be significantly different in 2019 as Obiano will align with APC. APGA always aligns with the ruling party and things won't be different in 2019.

To make it work , the people's would want to see what is in it for their region ..... Obiano is not the one to railroad the people into blind partnership


The hate for APC in the south east is very real amongst the people ... it doesn't mater what they are doing in the region it is alway viewed with suspicion....example the military vaccination exercise.

If the people are allowed to make their choice as they did in Anambra , APC won't win any state in the south east and it would put a stop to the trend where politicians move to the party that controls the centre in order to have security advantages during elections


A governor moves into a ruling party when he has not done anything to justify his re election because he hopes to use sate machinery to bulldoze his way ....let the people vote count

Ebisco015:
National Chairman of the All Progressives Congress (APC), John Odigie-Oyegun, has said that despite losing the recent Anambra governorship election, the Party’s performance clearly showed inroad is being made in the South East.

He stated this on Thursday while receiving some new entrants into the Party at the APC national secretariat, Abuja.

He said: “I consider that we have made a lot of gains in spite of not winning Anambra state.

“But it is clear if people interpret properly that the APC given the base from which we were starting, given the kind of intense propaganda that goes out there that the South East is against the APC – whether it is religion, ethnic or even historical – we have made some progress. But we are not resting on that.

“We are immediately setting up a team to study the elections, to look at whatever significant issues it has thrown up, to find ways in which we can improve our performance as we spread into the rest of the South East, basically to tell us what we did not do right in Anambra State which we need to correct as the electoral processes begin in the rest of the South East.

“We hope it will throw up valuable lessons that will help us perform much better in subsequent elections in the South East.

“For people to join us at this time is a clear indication that they understand what is going on and are ready to put their names, reputation, energies, and resources behind our effort to rebuild the country and be part of this process of change.

“This is a struggle that we must win. The nation cannot afford to lose, because greatness beckons and unless we get our act right, we are not going to get there.”

http://www.mcebisco.com.ng/2017/11/what-anambra-election-result-says-about.html

AkieWillis:
That's why I love Anglican church, no one is being forced, coerced or cursed to ensure payment of tithes.
The Reverends don't even have access to the church money or tithe without meeting with a representative body of the church.



Proudly Anglican!

A more important matter is been discussed and you Focus is how it is done in your church ...tithe is It to be or not ....justify your stand with scripture

nairanaira12:
Still, that place didn't support giving tithe to your pastor.

Stop going round in a circle. Giving pastor your tithe is not biblical.

who were they giving it to in that place

nairanaira12:
You too should read
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27.

You and your family should eat your tithe. You can also give to others including a pastor.

That is not the tithe Jesus Christ was referring to in Matt 23:23 when he said ....You pay tithe of everything but neglect the more important matter of justice ...if you have not paid your worker but paying tithe you have neglected justice because he is worthy of his wage



And Heb 7:8 says here men that die collects tithe but is receive of him that is acknowledged liveth forever

uyplus:
It said bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. The storehouse was a place where all manner of goods could be stored! The biblical storehouse isn't the temple for your information. We model our Christianity after Jesus and tge teachings from the apostle! And I'm surprised i raised a lot of points but you tried to cherry pick it without thinking through your choice!

I didn't cherry pick ...I am pointing out that your statement that tithe is on crop and not and never money doesn't hold water .... if it was incrop or produce of the land then the passage won't move to say ...so ther might be meat in mine house but would have read...so that might be all manners of land produce in mine house


Then when Jesus addressed his disciples before sending them out on evangelism he said they should not take shoe, coat that every labourer is worthy of his meat ....they ought t have asked him about clothes since meat is not same as coat or shoe. .....as the apostles preached Jesus expected their needs to be met by their new convert when he stated that every labourer was worthy of their hire .... God would use their peolel to pay them whatever their need was


You see, it is a word play. Bring ye all the tithe ....that mine House maybe full.....so that every need in mine house can be met without begging or gimmicks

uyplus:
Never money. Even your malachi listed herbs and mints and not money. From 24 to 26 of Deuteronomy 14, the bible stated that you should only convert the goods to money if the road be too long to where you want to pay your tithe, and that when you get to that place, you use the money to buy whatsoever your soul lusteth after! Never add to the bible what is not explicitly stated. Besides, Malachi 3 was adressing the levitical priest! We are not descendants of the Levite trive so noone has right to recieve tithes! Jesus gave only two commandments love the Lord thy God with aall your heart and Love your neighbor as yourself. And he further affirmed that whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me. He never said if you pay tithe, you are doing it unto him. If you cherry pick the laws in the OT bible for moneytary gains, then those verses where the bible instructs that people be stoned to death for small sins like in Deuteronomy 17 3 to 5 should be followed too. None of the 12 apostles ever made mention of tithes! 1 thessolonian 2 9, 2 corinthians 11:9 shows that the apostle worked aside their call to ministy. The guideline of giving to God is contained in 2 cortinthians 9:7 and charity is a form of giving to God, tithe isnt a form of giving to God. You cant fool noone here. Go back to your pay master and tell him/her kolerwerk!

Go and read that Malachi again... bring he all the tithe that there might be MEAT .... can you convert yam to meat..... Matt 10:10 Jesus told his disciples not to take coat, scrip, shoe nor staves for every Workman is worthy of his MEAT.... HOW does shoe, cost etc becomes MEAT?

TEYA:
You're wrong, Jesus was sold for silver coins, go and read your bible again.

Yes he was sold for silver coins but that wasn't a common means of exchange but store of value in place of the more common perishable means of exchange like farm produce


It would have being foolish for Judas to ask for the common means of exchange of equal value .... the Pharisee Jesus addressed in Matt 23:23 paid tithes on every increase that came their way not just crop and Jesus referred to that practiced when he spoke to them


There was no single means of exchange then

nairanaira12:
Your quote in Matthew and Mark didn't refer to tithe. They refer to giving, and you can give anything to anybody. Not tithe or to a pastor.

Stop covering up. The New Testament doesn't support tithing. Jesus didn't preach it and didn't collect it.

Matt 23:23

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastor never tell us

Kindly study it and be blessed.

You are wrong. Money is a relatively new means of exchange. In the old times it was cash crops. ....

the tithe Jesus spoke about in Matt 23:23 covered everything when he told them leaders of the church that they pay tithe of everything even to the most ridiculous items like anise but have neglected the more important matters of justice which they ought also have done while not neglecting the tithe.

Deo1986:
i can clearly see that you are completely deluded. Please which of the new generation church do you associate with?

What I expect you to do is write with facts about your organization.... since they brought the light of the gospel , I expect you to lecture me about the inquisition, disprove my statement with scriptural facts that the Christians at Ephesus , Corinth, including the Romans (themselves who later tried to dominate the rest of the Christians of their time by teaming up with their government) that Paul writes to were Catholics. That Christians were admonished to pray to Mary rather than Christ: Mind you the name of your church is Roman Catholic Church

Shey your Mary comes around to some of your church hood carrying a small boy even though Jesus Christ left this world as a mature man of 33 years ... you guys call the appearance of the goddes apparition ...here are some of her statement as recorded by your church during some of her apparition, run it against the scripture and state what the you think of it


At Fatima.

I will never leave you.
My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God.
Sacrifice yourselves for the conversion of sinner and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary
I promise to assist at the hour of death with all the graces necessary for salvation all those who, on the first Saturday of five consecutive months, go to Confession and receive Holy Communion, recite five decades of the Rosary and keep me company for a quarter of an hour while meditating on the mysteries of the Rosary with the intention of making reparation to me.3

The holy child Jesus, (to catholicism Jesus never became a man but Holy Holy child who needs his mother's help) contribution during the apparition:

Have pity on the Heart of your Most Holy Mother. It is covered with thorns with which ungrateful men pierce it at every moment, and there is no one to remove them with an act of reparation.42


Mary" declares: "Everyone worships God in his own way with peace in our hearts." 14 So says Our Lady of Medjugorje in Southern Bosnia-Herzegovina, where visionaries claim the Virgin has been appearing daily for the past 13 years15 in the heart of Ustashi Croatia.

Deo1986:
Such myopic reasoning, so you know better than an organization that existed for 1500 years before protestant came up? A religion that brave all sort of storms to bring the light to you now need redeeming eh? A religion that sacrificed blood, sweat and tears to fight of islam incursion is in the grip of a Goddess abi? I do not blame you, i will only allow my Goddess to take care.

Your church doesn't encourage you to know the truth so I am not surprised at your 1500 exisitence theory .... Pentecostalism started right after the death of Christ when he told his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations of the earth. Your church in reality is a breakaway faction of the Pentecostals who teamed up with emperors to persecute Christianity everywhere ....South America , Spain , Italy , Germany , England etc


Protestantalism on the other hand started as an internal disagreement with the dogmas of the
Roman Catholic church when Luther , having come in contact with the scripture which the church had deliberately kept away from the People, found out the truth that there was nothing like purgatory in the scripture which was been used to dupe the people or the pope having the keys of heaven and being infallible



Contrary to what Roman Catholics are taught, the papal office did not originate with Peter. It was centuries before the Bishop of Rome attempted to dominate the rest of the Church, and many centuries more before this primacy was generally accepted.


Leo the Great's letter to Flavian in 449 was not accepted until the Council of Chalcedon had approved it. "[Pope] Leo [I] himself acknowledged that his treatise could not become a rule of faith till it was confirmed by the bishops."11


There were eight councils of the Church before the schism in 1054 split it into Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, when the Bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated each other.



None of these eight councils was called by the Bishop of Rome, but by the emperor, who also put his stamp of approval upon their decrees. As for papal authority, one Catholic historian reminds us:


Pope Pelagius (556-60) talks of heretics separating themselves from the Apostolic Sees, that is, Rome, Jerusalem, Alexandria plus Constantinople.

In all the early writings of the hierarchy there is no mention of a special role for the Bishop of Rome, nor yet the special name of `Pope.' . . . Of the eighty or so heresies in the first six centuries, not one refers to the authority of the Bishop of Rome, not one is settled by the Bishop of Rome.... No one attacks the [supreme] authority of the Roman pontiff, because no one has heard of it.
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Deo1986:
Such myopic reasoning, so you know better than an organization that existed for 1500 years before protestant came up? A religion that brave all sort of storms to bring the light to you now need redeeming eh? A religion that sacrificed blood, sweat and tears to fight of islam incursion is in the grip of a Goddess abi? I do not blame you, i will only allow my Goddess to take care.

That is the lie you are told ...that they fought this and that to bring this and that ...for you information, if you have a copy of the Bible open it and you will find that Christians were already everywhere ,...as many as should be saved was added to them, daily ....read Paul's letter.... it was written e to Christians not Catholic ...Catholic as you know it started with Constantine who doubled as the head of the church and Chief priest of the gods .... the long robes of purples and other colors you see them wear are all the attire of Constantine during his pagan ceremony


It is actually the religion that wanted to extinguish Christianity with dogmas ..., it is the sect that paganized Christianity.......the woman you have a litany of is not the woman who gave birth to Jesus but queen of heaven ....read your Bible ...you will be find it in the Old Testament and how God dealt with the islrealite because of her ....do you have a litany for the one who actually died for your sin?

TheVictorious:
Lool, you didn't understand my point. I mean Christians of other denominations

That's what I am explaining to you... it is not open to others but members whose membership is confirmed by home cells membership ....maybe they might extend it to Dunamis and Salvation ministry members but for now it is only for WSF members

gregyboy:
who is telling you such trash are you is son or brother to know how busy he could be even the God he is serving is not so busy that he doest watch over is people so who is a oyedepo condemnation spread faster than praise my friend mentions with proves

Have you listened to him before ...he is not Almighty God and doesn't have the Omini presence of God .... God doesn't need to move around to get anything done for anyone , the earth is just his footstool he only sends his word where faith is in place and demonstrated.


Bishop Oyedepo is man on an assignment. Debate is not part of his assignment and he has said it repeatedly that God did not send him to debate doctrines or use his altar to malign a man. ... Freeze is not important to his assignment and therefore, unknown to him.

Deo1986:
You are way out of point boy, how does seized properties and artifacts and paintings connect with amassing wealth on earth? Beside, is christianity supposed to be divided? I am pointing out how christians lifestyles contradict with christs teachings and you are spewing trash.

You can't see how it connects because you are clever by half ...a man is building residential quarters and you came in with earthly kingdom nonsense and I point out to you that the Catholic Church is the sect that you should be advising on earthly possession ...it is the biggest landlord and landowner on earth and also the biggest capitalist in the world. Jesus was never a president or earthly king but the pope runs a country without legislatures or parliament ....did he inherit it from Jesus Christ or it so called First pope, Peter?

Christianity is not divided ....Redeeem is not didived against Winnners or Dunamis, Christ Embassy, Salvation Ministry but against the the one that has it foundation in dogmas that can't be supported by the Bible .... Catholic Church is not a Christian group hence we evangelize them to bring them out of the grip of the goddes they call Mary

TheVictorious:
I doubt it is only for church members but there's probably no way to verify true Christians yet. There will surely be provision for that as time goes on

WSF is Winners way of knowing their members ...it is the fellowship that holds every Saturday by 5 pm in homes of members ..you are expected tp join the one closet to you.

There is no offering just teaching th word and getting to know the members close to you in case you need assistance

Deo1986:
Didn't Jesus said my kingdom is no part of this world? And store up treasure in heaven? Acquiring earthly possessions means that these pastors dont even believe in the heavenly stuff.

This statement is for the Catholic Church ....there is a Store in Lourdes France that houses artifacts confiscated from Christians and Jews who refused to bow to the authority of the pope ...they refused to accept that a man is infallible simply because they could not find any support for it in the scripture..... the Vatican has over a 1000 room and has the most expensive Cellings on earth .... let me stop here ...go and read


That small paintings from Micheal Angelo went for how much, the other day?

Adakintroy:
This is the problem with you Christian cult. You don't listen. You have just one man stand on the pupuit and talk for hours on end. No one ask him a question. How would you ever learn. Your mind is fix towards everything. I am not part of a "sec" just as christ was. Chatolic Anglican, whatever. ...am not part.

Am am for christ. Stand alone. Am not part of any religion just as christ wasn't.

Good for you that you are a stand alone, one man mopol but that I remember that the scripture you reckon yourself to know very well as to stand alone stated that such as should be saved was added to them daily ...they were not separated as gurus in their own eyes


You know nothing I am sorry to point out ..your intelligence is only in your eyes ... you come off as one with an over bloated and false sense of your True worth ....any one who calls himself a Christ follower but doesn't crave the assemble of the saints is deluded by imaginary self worth


Show me a one man mopol from the scripture unless the one delivered from satanic affliction

Yo paid someone to develop a building plan for which church?

chronique:
I contribute my funds to projects in the church and I'm happy to do that. But if they start talking of building another large cathedral, my one kobo won't drop. Building churches here and there, isn't the same thing as preaching the gospel. Moreover, it is in the same church where I was busy contributing my peanuts and went as far as paying someone from my pocket to develop a building plan for the church, that a minister in the same church still swindled me and defrauded me. When I talk, I talk out of experience and facts, not just because I want to talk.

If you are a Catholic, i will advise you to first become a Christian ....because you are not

You are a member of Satan's paganised Christianity which the woman bestrides and intends to use against Christ and his bride, the true church.
He started out by proclaiming the leader of this pagan group called Catholics, infallible and then using a woman he calls Mary to displace the trinity. A catholic prayer mentions this woman that rides the beast in Rev 17 much than Jesus and God. Eg the rosary mentions Jesus, the father and Holy Spirit just 6 time each but Hail Mary 53 times.

the gates of hell is working overtime trying to ridicule every movement of the true Christians with false doctrines of poverty as a gateway to a holy life but the Holy Spirit is alive and working out in his church to take souls away from the grip of the gate of hell.

Adakintroy:
How would you know am displaying false intelligence. When you are standing up for what is merely a human construct.of all the things I said that could possibly be true, you could only spot pentecostalism.

I know I am at liberty to do so because am led. Just as you are led to defend what is a human contructs. If I put down the pentecostal faith. I do not pull down christ. Just a vail( know what spirit you are off)

I know they know little about God. Yes have had the privi ledge to discuss with other faiths including jehova witness. And I can tell you without blinking that pentecostal Christians are the most ignorant of the lot. That's why they make up for it with much shouting..and often vain pronouciation like "usual auction that will catapult you into a devine realm bla..bla bla...

Vain repitions as christ will call it. They teach nothing so they make up for it with loud noise.


But this is not about me or you or pentecostal whatever.

It's about Christ and helping other men. Let's focus.

You are displaying fake intelligence by your comment that Pentecostalism has outlived her usefulness. She is just even starting out .... Pentecostalism was actually the church ... Go ye and teach all you have leant frrom me ...And the ripples continues.

If I teach you , you go out and teach another and another and another .....I will be with you even unto the end of time


Yes, some of them have ruptured the process and due to fear have imputed their personal interest and needs into Pentecostalism but I assure you it is better than having a man proclaimed as been infallible ... That is blasphemous and satanic

Adakintroy:
The truth about Christianity will one day surface.and all those who have stood as "God's generalls" will be brought down.

This pentecostal Christianity has lost its usefulness. It has become too radical, more like too mad. It was useful at one point no doubt. But not anymore.
Giving in churches, was simply meant to teach our heart to give, seeing that we are born again and need to learn this things anew until mastering comes. The church was place as a class room to learn mini practicals that we can later generalise to the outside world. Giving starts in the church no doubt, but it ends with other men.

Picture a classroom where you learn little practicals. That classroom is not the end place itself.

What the pentecostal church has succeeded in doing is keep the people at one point station. Not letting them expand till they indeed become like christ in good deeds. They let them concentrate their giving in one place. Which is for lack of better reference shallow and selfish.

GOD I KNOW WILL SEND REAL TEACHER'S SOON (He AlWAYS DOES) THAT WILL TEACH OUR HEARTS THE TRUE GOSPEL IN LOVE FAITH AND HOPE.

GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND HAVE A NICE DAY.

anonimi:
Too hard for the sheeple, bro.


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Christians must have a meeting place and it must be but enough to accommodate as many that subscribes to it ....You are not qualified to teach a winners the location of the Holy Spirit.... It is the basic teachings he or she hears the very first day he goes for foundation class

Christianity is on the march .... The people must be liberated from the satanic doctrines of the world religions hidden in some churches.

Every time I see multitude like this in Christian churches I know the beast is never going to succeed to ride the entire world with her lady on her back

PHILipu1:
Only Kano state votes will take care of all the South-east states votes.

It is not vote that matters in presidential election but spread ...Yo can have the entire votes of Kank but without wining two third of the states of the federation and then scoring a percentage I have forgotten in others you ain't a Presido yet ...That is the constitution