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ilugunboy: Discountenance rigging out of your permutation.....every other thing...bring it on.

There will always be rigging in every election, including 2015. But it wont be a major decider, that you can take to the bank

fiizznation: and u r the mouth piece of north right? U pple r funny... The guy is frm a region u claim gej ll win.. After the guy told u the plain truth abt ur silly assumptions, u r now telling him to speak for himself, while u who is even probably an ibo man frm d east has chosen to speak for the entire north.. U mst be really stewpeed

The guy is an anonymous user on NL. He could be posting right now from his Osun defenders office. You really want me to take him seriously?

I never said I was speaking for the north or any other region. I just did a comparative analysis based on current facts and history.

[quote author=enigma_otr]The only thing that can divide the North against APC is if a Northerner is the PDP presidential flag bearer. I'm a northern christian and I'd rather stay indoor on election day, watching Tv than vote for GEJ, so your assumption that everyone is a religious bigot is totally wrong. If GEJ thinks he can lose Governors, Senators and representatives in the lower legislative chamber, to the opposition and still get the same result, then he's a joker. He's probably crying over the fact that his party is getting weaker while APC is becoming stronger, while you e-PDP supporters are assuming everything is alright.
You might want to know that in Nigeria of today the support of the masses isn't sufficient to get GEJ back into that office in 2015. In my state for instance, the power of incumbency can not save him. If election were to take place today GEJ can not win outside SS, SE and probably Plateau, Benue, Kogi and may be Taraba states. If you think otherwise, you'd better wake up and face reality.[/quote]If GEJ is crying over anything, he would have been negotiating with OBJ. But he has called OBJ's bluff. He has now dragged him to the human rights commission. Some of you havent smelt the coffee yet. And by the way, you dont speak for the middle belt. If I want to know what the middle belt thinks, I just go to groups with thousands of following, not some anonymous user on NL

ilugunboy: That is why I told you earlier that 2015 is for APC to lose.....we know the immense capacity of PDP for mischief by playing the tribal and religion politics to maximum effect...not that they have any achievement to campaign with anyway..so they need to resort to base primordial sentiments to attract votes.

You keep repeating the same crap, no offense. Nigerian politics is always along religious, tribal and regional lines, whether it is PDP or APC or any other party. Buhari asked Muslims to only vote for Muslims in 2002. Nothing has changed.

Please, what achievements does APC states or candidates have to show? You mean the media propaganda going on? You deceive only yourself. Which APC states have world class hospitals, schools, roads, etc. Why did Tinubu have to go abroad to treat his knee after 14 years of APC government in Lagos. That is with all the huge IGR Lagos is collecting. You make me laugh.

ilugunboy: No problem....Arthur Eze words too will reverberate across Yoruba land when the time come...you didn't have Nigeria in mind when Adaobi and his gang of bandits were going around calling Ngigie Tunde....? You think people didn't know the reason for such tribal slur..?

Like I said....you want to wish it away..but you will not.

Yorubas and Igbos have been having a cold war since after the civil war. It played out in 1979 elections. So there is nothing new there. I have already told you that the south west will vote in block if the APC candidate is from SW. That I know very well. But the APC candidate will not be from the SW. It will be from the core north. That is a different ball game altogether

[quote author=Me_Aboki]Didn't APGA declared him their presidential candidate (could be wrong but I thought I came across it somewhere)?[/quote]So many people have declared that GEJ is their candidate including Tukur! Is Tukur also an Igbo man? Most middle belt groups have adopted GEJ as their candidate. Is Gulak and Igbo man? Even Shagari has been telling people like Lamido to leave GEJ alone and stop fighting him. Fasheun, Gani Adams and many more people have come out to declare their support for GEJ's reelection. Mimiko has continued to give 110% support to GEj. Are these all Igbo's too?

ilugunboy: You are profoundly naive...if you think the reasons that you insult them is the reason yorubas insult them ...then you must be very very ignorant indeed.

Eg....you hate FFK with passion....most Yorubas too don't exactly like him.....but if you think it's for the same reasons as yours...then I can only pity your mindset.

You should on the streets stoning people like Adaobi and his type for introducing never seen before animosity in our politics and selling Igbo interest for a plate of porridge to GEJ.

I am talking Nigerian politics, but you are fixated with Anambra loss. Snap out of it bro. You lost that one. Just get over it. Obi did not introduce tribal sentiments. Fashola did a good job of that when he criminally deported Nigerians in their own country. If Fashola had not deported Nigerians, that conversation would not have even happened. Are you saying you will not be livid if people from your state are deported from another Nigerian state and dumped under the bridge somewhere in your state? Please be truthful to yourself and stop being an ostrich

papparatzzi2013: With what you just elucidated, I wish to see how, SEerners will vote on SW soil. They had better go back to SE to vote.

Forget north. No SE person in the north,will risk his life for GEJ, I repeat.

That is campaign stuff I just reminded you off. GEJ has already set the tone for free and fair elections in Nigeria and that is what will play out in 2015. Not perfect elections, but largely free and fair. It is actually one of GEJ's key strategies. No one will be able to rig the 2015 elections on a major scale. There will still be pockets of rigging but most votes will count and GEJ knows he will win it on that scale. Just watch as it unfolds

ilugunboy: You go hear am!

Just keep insulting apeOBJ...Tinubu...Fashole .....Buhari and the other Malams and dirty abokis.

Even many Yorubas are insulting Tinubu, OBJ and Fashola. Soyinka just took em to the cleaners. Femi Falana also took them to the cleaners for courting PDP folks. You think Yorubas will be angry when I call OBJ names? Common! OBJ was the nemesis of PDP in 2011 governorship bro. Haba! He is a liability even in the SW

ilugunboy: They played the tribal and ethnic politics to maximum effect in Anambra and suddenly want it to stop.

No way......we will play it together....no more sophistication....just crude tribal politics going forward.

What sophistication? The south west politics has always been tribal when it comes to the center. The south west has one of the most crude politics in Nigeria. Have you ever heard of the wild wild west? Obviously not, because you are a kid. Amala politics have always played out in the south west. Money inducements, massive rigging et all have always characterized SW politics. I always laugh when you talk about the sophistication of SW politics. Tinubu displayed one of the most brazen money politics campaign in 2007 and 2011. He was literarily sharing money on the streets in 2007. Tinubu came out in Isaleko in 2007 with a pistol and was followed by hundreds of boys on the streets all flashing dangerous weapons. So many people lost their lives. There was almost an open gun battle in Ikeja when Tinubu's convoy insisted they were going to pass through the street where a wedding ceremony by Koro's crew, was going on. Koro was going to stand him down, but he was begged not to do it as the result would only work against him as Tinubu was the incumbent governor. Sophistication my left toe

ilugunboy: As far as other Nigerians are concerned....and he also echoed it with his infamous "Igbos are the pillar of my administration" misyarn

He was also sitting down and smiling lazily when Arthur Eze was ridiculing Awolowo.

Just wait and let the average Yoruba voter hear that in the mainstream media....there is a purpose that we've kept it away form the mainstream media....we need it for maximum effect when the time comes.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! You are indeed a clown!

As far as other NIgerians are concerned? Hahahahahahahahaha! So when you and your fellow touts gather ina thread in the politics section, it becomes the opinion of all Nigerians? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Clowns!

papparatzzi2013: Every single Yoruba/Awolowo statements they uttered in Anambra will be re-echoed.

Just wait and see.

They will now know, how well we can play tribal politics.

It starts from now. From neighbourhood meetings to association meetings to pepper sellers, mechanics and students.

All those Adaobi misyarning and OUK,s misyarnings will be re-echoed.

This is where you show again that you are a kid. GEJ is not an Igbo candidate. How will you now use Igbo sentiments against him? You are a clown.

ilugunboy: Well....all your calculations are still not based on hard cold facts supported by empirical evidence whatsoever....the distinction you are laboring hard to make is not as pronounced as you paint....the question is? Is the life of those average Northern Christian better today than 5 years ago...?

I assure you that they won't vote GEJ because he is a Christian...that much is established.

The election is really for APC to lose ...based on the candidates presented.

The north has never and will never vote in the elections based on good governance or performance. If that were the case, most people who have won in the past would not have won. The core north voted Buhari in the presidential elections but as soon as he lost, they went out the following week and voted massively for the PDP candidates. Why? Because the core north dont follow opposition party. It is only Kano state and Borno state you will find people comfortable with following an opposition party. They mostly vote on either religious or regional interest. That will never change. The only thing that is now changing is the one north, no thanks to Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism

fiizznation: kajuru, kachia, jaji zango kataf, kujama. All d above listed LG r were GEJ ll get his votes in kaduna. U r a mo.ron indeed, what's the use of someone's language if he dnt speak it and use the the language of anoda person to communicate ? All d above listed LG areas speak hausa as their first language
And yet u r lieing that if u call any of them a hausa man he ll fight u. U r a blatant liar my frd.
The places GEJ ll obviously get some votes in Kaduna city ll be places like:
Sabontasha
Gonin gora
Television
Ungwan rume
U knw nothing abt the north and yet u choose to spread lies. Shame on u mister sorry to burst ur bubble

What was the voting result for the presidential election in kaduna in 2011 again?

ilugunboy: Did you engage any political research consultant to do a survey for you or this is coming from your own personal intuition?

Please leave NL once in a while and venture out to the real world. It is shameful that all your opinions are formed on NL. At least, buy newspapers once in a while and follow things like facebook groups. Middlebelt forum and other groups will be a recommended start. You can thank me (or hate me) later...

fiizznation: u r correct. The rate at which these pdp e-rats lie is very sickening. If u dnt reside in d north u ll think all they r saying r true
The only 2 states GEJ ll win in d north ll be plateau and benue states even if he doesn't play his ethnic/religion card the ll still vote him.
APC can win in taraba state so as PDP bcuz taraba state is an open state for the both parties.

Who is lying? Lets see...You said ACN will sweep Ondo - You lied

You said Ngige will win Anambra - You lied

You said Lagos is completely for ACN but ACN had to rig in the last elections - You lied

You said the North will go with Buhari but PDP won Abuja by a landslide - Again you lied

So who is lying again?

raphead: One thing dolts like you don't understand is that PDP is a northern party, but on the gej most go mission they are more committed on this course that any betrayal from anybody might cause serious unrest. Do you want to test the waters by going to any newspaper joint on kaduna road to declare your open support for gej and wait to see the reaction of the locals.

You have indeed finally supported my analysis. Great!

The bolded is the very thing dividing the north right now. That is a proof that everything going on is about returning power to the hausa/fulani/muslim rule and the average northern Christian is against that right now. Middle belt groups out there are daily declaring their support for GEJ. The core north claims they are one when they need votes and support and the middlebelt and christian north is fed up with that right now

raphead: Save me your nonsense son, every random person in the newspaper joints in wuse, garki, suleja, dei dei, zuba and all other towns are Muslims. You deserve the award of the most senseless homo sapiens..

Again, you can spew trash hiding behind the NL anonymity. PDP swept the last LGA elections in Abuja. Why didnt they vote for Buhari's APC?

ilugunboy: The truth is they are too naive not to know that language far above religion binds people more.

There would be serious gnashing of the teeth and cry of foul play in the PDP camp come 2015.

Again, you have shown gross ignorance. Language binds people more than religion? Which school did you attend because you are just killing yourself with every post.

fiizznation: lies lies lies. U r very confused. U dnt knw anything abt the north mr man so better stop lieing. U can't call a southern kaduna man a hausa and he ll fight u as u said. I have these southern kaduna folks as my neighbours and I hav never hear them speak their language except the hausa language. Sometimes I even wonder if they hav a language. U want pple to make pple believe that the kajes/biroms/jukuns as they r called hate the muslims/hausas which are pure lies.
Mehn u guys lie a lot jst to pass ur selfish agendas•
Is very sickening

Liar Liar, your pants on fire. I like these your responses because it exposes you more.

In southern Kaduna, they normally dont speak hausa to themselves though they all speak hausa fluently. They mostly speak hausa when they leave their areas and go out. Most of them will respond to you in English if you speak hausa to them. You are an ignoramus who just hide behind the anonymity of NL to make noise. Have you ever heard of the Zango-Kataf war? Obviously not. If you knwo the north, you will actually have known that the hausa are actually also an oppressed group. Hausa just happen to be a lingual franca for most of the north. We normally use the term hausa/fulani fpr a reason.

raphead: No need discussing issue with deluded Numbskull wankking their egos on impossible fantasy. All this village shyebrains don't leave there backyard and yet they get infos of happenings everywhere. Am currently doing a project in abuja through Kaduna and I know the stance of peeps here about gej with my discussions with them. So why will I take the misinformation of you and your brethren in stupidity as fact. Son you start the insult thingy now you wanna take the Abidjan route like your hero shey. The eggheaders don't have mercy on untrained son of the gutters like you losers..

This is all you can resort to: trash talk! What will make people change their mind from 2011. OBJ? You really think that if it comes to free and fair elections, the masses will follow a combination of Buhari, IBB, OBJ, Tinubu?

The people you spoke to are the people in the demography I have already spelt out. If you speak to many northern muslims (not all of them though), you are most likely going to get that kind of response. Nothing special in what you have said.

fiizznation: u really nailed it• Many of this posters dnt knw dat the middle-belt/north central is made up of 6 states. Which are:

1. Niger
2. Kogi
3. Plateau
4. Kwara
5. Benue
6. Nassarawa

GEj can never win in states like niger, nassarawa, kogi and kwara states.

His only stronghold in the mb/nc ll be plateau and benue state..

If the APC ll even play there card well, they ll even get plateau state bcuz there is a reasonable number of pple there that ll vote them.

The results of of 2015 elections according to zones ll be something like this :

1. NW = APC
2. NE = APC
3. NC/MB = APC
4. SW = APC
5. SS = PDP
6. SE = PDP

Even GEJ's best political strategists know this and that's why they r trying to play the ethnic/religion card in d SW/NC

Now you have just proven me right. You know absolutely nothing about northern Nigeria.

jmaine: Erroneous generalization . . .Ekiti boys are smart like me . . .

Apologies, but what I meant from that was, people who never travel out of their enclaves. If I put in wrongly, I apologize. I have made the necessary corrections

Obiagelli: what is this lagos LG you guys are shouting? How many pple voted in the said election, i didn't even know when the election took place. If you are calculating on that basis then you are naive.

Actually, that is the best place to analyze from. The people who are aware and vote in the LGA elections are mostly indigenous people. If those people reject APC, what do you think the rest will do. Those people who voted in the LGAs are mostly Yorubas or Non-indigenous people who have lived in Lagos for a long time and take Lagos as their home.

ilugunboy: You display a lot of naïveté here on this thread...which middle belt? The best GEJ will do is to pick Plateau and Benue. Exclude Niger and Kwara from your calculation completely.

You see...you don't go insulting people everyday and threatening them and expect them to get favour easily from them.

GEJ best bet to come back in 2015 is via massive rigging......that will come with it own fatal consequences.

You have just shown that you are a typical guy who doesnt travel outside Lagos or Ekiti and so, know nothing about Nigeria. People like you make fake comments on NL because you are ignorant. 40% of Northern Nigeria are Christians. Southern Kaduna, Southern Bauchi, Taraba, Southern Niger, etc are mostly minorities and Christians. They used to vote in block with the core north, but Islamic fundamentalism has changed all that. Many of you actually think the whole north are hausas. Hausa is just a lingual franca in the North. You cant call a southern Kaduna man hausa. He could fight with you for that. You obviously dont have any clue about the North, except that being peddled by the hausa/fulani click

ilugunboy: Keep looking for reasons while Yorubas votes will be divided ....as long as a Yoruba is on APC ticket...while GEJ and Sambo and on PDP....the 6 Yorubas states are in the bag for APC. It's as straight forward as that. Stay in Owerri or Enugu and be speaking on how Yorubas will vote.

How do we vote for a President that sat down while Arthur Eze was telling Ibos not to vote for a Awolowo Yoruba party that that killed them during the civil war.?

We will play the tribal politics as much as you did in Anamabra....

You are speaking for yourself. You are in no capacity to speak for the SW or the Yorubas. The only facts are those that have shown up over time. That is why I used history as my evidence. You will play the tribal sentiments, not the Yorubas. The only thing that will evoke a Yoruba tribal sentiments and cause a block vote is a Yoruba presidential candidate. I know that because I live in Yoruba land and have done so most of my life. And for the records, I am not from the SE

ilugunboy: Since GEJ and his handlers have turned this into regions.....all regions will support en bloc their preferred candidates.

There won't be any vote split as you want from other regions while expecting en bloc voting pattern from SE and SS. You can have your cake and eat it. It as straight forward as that.

The reason that you alluded for the SE having a so called common ground...will be the same reason other regions will have common ground.

You wish your own votes are secured...while breaking other regions....things won't work that way in 2015. Your campaign strategic is double-edge.

My little friend, I am not wishing anything. I am stating the obvious as far as the politics of Nigeria goes today. Your sentiments cant change that. The facts and figures on the ground supports my analysis. The middlebelt have taking a stand. It isnt even because of GEJ. It is because they are finally fed up of hausa/fulani domination. The northern PDP governors forum collapsed because of this. Jos has been one continous war zone because of this. Did you read the comments of Gowon and Danjuma on the OBJ letter? They will never go with a hausa/fulani agenda anymore. You can keep lying to yourself.

papparatzzi2013: You don't know anything about SW. You want see bloc vote again, you will see one come 2015.

If you think SW is divided, that is in your dreams. I am assuring you, GEJ will not get 30% of Ondo. Mark it. SW electorate is too informed for sentiments.

He has the whole of 2014 to improve on his abysmal performance . We are still watching.

You are talking nonsense as usual from your bedroom. You cant even speak for your street, not to talk about your LGA or the south west. Go to GEJ's facebook page and see how many Yorubas follow him and support him there and come back to tell me more crap! See how many Yorubas have come out to defend GEJ in the OBJ letter issue. We are on the ground in Lagos. The people are fed up with Fashola and Tinubu and they showed that in the last LGA elections when they voted against ACN and ACN had to rig in many LGAs. The badagry scandal is there as a proof. You claim that GEJ will not get 30% of Ondo. Really? Isnt this how you also boasted that ACN will win Ondo and at the end of the day, ACN came third? All you folks know how to do is propaganda and lies.

The facts are there for all to see. The only time the SW votes in block is when a Yoruba is the presidential candidate. Right from Independence, it has always been so. The Awolowo-Akintola division was in the 60s. That is how long the SW has been divided and will continue to be. ACN won Ogn Oyo and Ekiti by small margins in 2011. Please spare us the propaganda

ilugunboy: The scale is gradually falling of their eyes...I've never seen people that talk careless as some of these people here....they talk as if they won't need other regions.

You talk as if other regions are monolithic when they are not. The south west will never vote in block because the south west is multi ethnic. The yorubas in the south west will not also vote in block because they are divided and have always been. The only time Yorubas vote in block is when the presidential candidate is Yoruba. That is the fact, no matter how much noise you make. The south east are normally not very monolithic politically, but in GEJ, they have for the first time found a common ground. That may even change after GEJ. The middle belt have pulled out of the alliance with the core north. They are completely opposed to hausa/fulani dominance. Always observe that those who say the north is united against GEJ are always hausa/fulani or muslims.

Some of you make me laugh when you claim some of us are trying to divide Nigeria along religious lines. What a big joke. Nigeria has always been divided along religious lines from independence and nothing has changed. Isnt the G7 agitation along ethnic and religious lines? Why is APC bent on presenting a core Northern candidate? hypocrites

Aigipan: The flawed calculations of those "BANKING" on their kins votes in the southwest is that they fail to realise that most of them havent even been to SS/SE and they dont have the same "Jonathan or nothing" mentality like they do over there.

A Fashola on the ticket puts the SW votes in the bag! and spilt the votes of SS/SE residents in the SW

Jonathan would need a miracle to get 20 percent of votes in that region. and the Core North is gone already, Kwara is most likely in the bag now.

Jona is on a long thing but anything can still happen.

The candidates of APC would actually determine how far they would go. If they want to win they know what to do and who to field in.

I like all these propaganda calculations. It help's GEJ more.

@Cramjones, I find it very laughable when you use terms like "Jonathan will not get anything from the north". You are hillarious. Where is the North? You mean the Jos man, Southern Kaduna man or Benue man will vote for Buhari or Tambuwal or any other "born-to-rule" mentality crew you bring out in 2015? You only deceive yourself with such propaganda. Also you speak of the south west like APC has ever controlled 100% of the votes there. In 2011, ACN candidate, who was even a better candidate than the ones you are likely to field in 2015, only won Osun state. What will change in 2015? You think people care about Tinubu anymore. Please keep deceiving yourself. I love it

luvmijeje: Ameachi is not an orator. Fashola is not an orator. OBJ is not an orator. But when they speak, you get the feeling that, they understand what they are saying compare to Jonathan. When Jonathan speaks, it's like his brain is disconnected from his speech organ-apology to Jonathan.
It's understandable that Nigerians didn't have strong opposition in 2011 but how did OBJ sells Jonathan to his party?

Stop being ignorant. GEJ was chosen as a vice presidential candidate, not a presidential candidate. That is if you can even understand the difference

Secondly, GEJ might not be a good public speaker, but that does not in any way determine his level of intelligence. You are an illiterate if you think Obama is very intelligent just because he can speak well. Those are two mutually exclusive qualities.