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@ Litmus

Either you do not want to understand or you are really quiet stupid.

419ers pretend to be those organisations, not scam them. They write scam mails pretending to be charities, hospitals, schools, orphanages etc

These mails are sent to anyone they can get ther email address of

Litmus:
However, I expected this response because it is the one often used by individuals who have spent a long time building up unfounded hatred against the Nigerian people over this issue of 419 and when confronted by the possibilities that they may have been mistaken, obstinately refuse to accept the evidence to the contrary and, following, seek refuge in sentimentality. I put it to you that no charity, schools, Red Cross or any humanitarian organisation is going to hand money over to 419 fraudsters from Nigeria.

Well you were wrong to expect it as you have got the whole thing the wrong way around. It is the scammers that pretend they are from hospitals, charities, schools, the red cross and other agencies 

It is the ordinary well wishing member of the public that thinks they are helping a good cause 

Litmus:
The statement above is a sort of moral blackmail. In any case, the only thing it really achieves in the end is to belittle you.

How funny that the only people that are not belittled are the 419ers, such love is shown to these animals 
Just goes to show how sick Nigerian society has become 

I am not talking about one night stands but porking a girl over a period of time to see if you are both compatible.

Riskie:
"Test driving" may work for some but overall I think it is a bad idea. What if during a "test run" the woman gets pregnant and the guy leaves her to raise the child alone? I think it's best to wait until you are married and then if you are not compatible or whatver then just get a divorce.

What if a girl gets pregnant after marriage and the guy has had enough of the relationship?

Why go through the hassle and expense of a wedding to find out you are incompatible?

Marriage is nothing but a piece of paper. It is becoming an old fashioned concept 

Test driving is the only way to be sure (nothing is ever guaranteed of course) but you have a better chance if you test things out before

pinky lady:
so how many are you guys going to test drive before tieing the nuts?

just asking

It is a hard job, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. the more we test the more chance we will find the right model 

[quote author=~Sissy~ link=topic=275988.msg3918502#msg3918502 date=1243234826]it goes both ways. for some it does work, while for others it doesn't and each have their own reasons.

and those doing testing drive before buying, what if after the "test drive" the engine stops and runs out of irreplaceable oil? so will you go out and grab a new drive?

just asking [/quote]men always like something nice to drive, if it performs well than it stays in the garage otherwise it is down to the showroom for a new model

Why wait until you are married to find that you are both sexually incompatible?

It is absolute nonsense, and for those of you who are keeping their virginity for that occassion, just think what a let down it will be when you lose it to a guy or girl that is rubbish in bed and you spilt up shortly afterwards 

You can not connect the two. Even though there are prostitutes people still commit rape, not just in Nigeria.

Prostitution is the oldest known business to man and has always been around. I do not see any reason why it should be illegal, it would be better if it were legal and controlled like in Holland for example where the girls are testing for STD's and HIV and have to carry paperwork.

Forced prostitution and rape is a totally different thing and both a criminal activity which should carry harse penalties.

I don't think legal prostitution would stop someone raping a woman, as it is the actual rape which turns these guys on and not necessarily the sex  

But legalising and controlling prostitution is a good thing for all  

On a funny note:

A prostitute goes into a shop to buy a dress.
She gives the cashier a $100 bill to pay
The cashier informs her that the $100 is fake
The prostitute screams "Oh my God I have been raped'

@Krayola

I really have never been scammed with 419, but I have been working with an official organisation that deals with 419 criminals.

When I talk about 419ers, I am not talking about your average idiot that sits wasting his remaining money and time in internet cafes trying to make a crust, they are  so stupid and uneducated that nobody will ever fall for their crazy stories. They spend their few Naira purchasing letter templates and false documents from other guymen that are probably making a decent wage out of supplying them.

I am talking about the organised 419 criminal gangs of Nigerians based in Nigeria, Holland, Spain, UK, Ghana, Benin and Ivory Coast mainly that steal millions.

Allot of people say that only greedy people fall for the 419 stories and they deserve what they get, what they don't care to acknowledge is that many of the scam mails are supposedly from people dying with cancer, charities, for orphans, children's schools, the Red Cross, the lottery etc.

Many old people lose their life savings thinking they are helping someone less better off than themselves. Not because they are greedy, but because they are caring and want to help. Many people in the UK freely give to African charities, are not looking for a quick profit and do things because they want to help.

419 scammers do not care who they steal money from, they will steal from fellow Nigerians just as they would from a Westerner. The excuse book on why it is OK to steal and cheat is extensive. The reasoning that 419 is some kind of revenge against the West is lame to say the least.

Again, in reality most Nigerians wasting away their lives in internet cafes will make nothing. The organised Nigerian maffia make millions, but that does not get shared with their less well off and strugling countrymen.

In the meantime, Nigeria digs a deeper hole for itself. Nobody wants to risk doing business in such a place where so many horror stories come out of. Millions of scam mails come out of Nigeria each week, with every letter Nigerians lose a little more credibility and allot of investment money.

419 can be stopped and I am happy to see that currently 36.1% of people support the death penalty for 419ers. I think it is a good benchmark that at least 36.1% of Nigerian's want a better future and would like to see an end to this cancer eating away at Nigerian society. All is not lost 

But to be honest, I am not surprised about the hostility towards me by the supporters of 419 and more than likely players in the 419 game.

That is a cross I am willing to bear. 

Lets hope that something positve can come from this soon. Nigeria has fantastic potential, all it needs is for the rubbish to be taken care of ASAP

There is already mass genocide in Africa on a daily basis and has been for years. Yesterday Ruanda, today Dafur and who knows where tomorrow.

I am not talking about about executing everybody that is caught scamming immediately. I would give a 30 day amnesty period in which to STOP, then for the first conviction after this time a mandatory five year prison sentence for the first offence, then execution for any repeat offending after the first offence.

I think this is fair. This goes for everybody, ministers, police and army officials alike

Krayola:
The fear of harsh punishment does not stop or even reduce unacceptable behavior.  for example, WHen I was a child growing up in Nigeria I got flogged in school from primary 2 till probably about JSS3 for not doing home work,  i never got home and said "hmmmn I should do my home work today so i don`t get flogged tomorrow".

If you are executed you are not going to be able to scam again tomorrow are you?

I am not saying that crime is only committed by Nigerians and that corruption is not rife in many other nations. This topic is about introducing the death penalty for 419 scammers in Nigeria. Nothing more and nothing less.

I have not yet heard of a good reason or a sound argument why this should not be made law

anwo247:
Until then,  my

Best news we have heard all week

Litmus:
My question still remains can you or anyone paste or state here for the world to read, how the first 419 scam worked. I am willing to bet no one will answer the question. The reason no one will do so is that the truth reveals the people of Europe and America for the hypocrites they are.  The blacks who go along with them cussing and humiliating Nigerians about 419 are either ignorant, brainwashed or Militants.

The 419 scam was originated during 1990s as the oil-based economy of Nigeria went downward. Several unemployed university students first used this 419 scam as a way of manipulating business visitors interested in shady deals in the Nigerian oil sector before aiming greedy businessmen in the west, and then later the wider population.

Early alternates were often sent via letter, fax, or throu gh Telex. History Of 419 ScamThe spread of email and very easy access to email-harvesting software made the cost lower of sending scam letters through the internet extremely cheap. While various figures have violently claimed, which the 419 scam employs as many as 250,000 people in the Nigeria, in reality it has regularly been linked only to small organized gangs often working in concert with western cities and in Nigeria. In recent years, the 419 scam has urged imitations in a variety of trouble spots in Africa and in Eastern Europe.

In fact the advance fee fraud (419 scam) is a very old Nigerian scam than that, dating back to 1588 where letters were written stating to be from a prisoner trapped in a Spanish castle. The fictitious prisoner would further promise to share a treasure with a person who will send them money to bribe their guards.


LINKS:

EFCC catch scammers, close down cafe and slap around the fraudsters a little: Good viewing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISMgGdaGOJM (YouTube)

LMAO that all the opinions are by people who have surprisingly just signed up for Nairaland 

It will be a great day for Nigeria when the hangings start 

Time to clean out the weeds and make way for the crops 

There is a culture in Nigeria, which esteems those who could make money without working. In the 18th century, European traders sat in shells and trading posts at the mouths of the Oil Rivers, Badagry and few other sites and were also well used to the ludicrous amounts demanded by Nigerian traders for Palm Oil, Ivory and Slaves. Serious negotiation was concerned and people like John Holt are on record irritable about the difficulty of dealing with the locals

The somewhat "jack the lad" culture of southern Nigeria joint with the foolishness of foreigners showed to how easy it was to make money from the white mugus and intelligent scammers soon developed the 419 scams, initially by way of fax and then via the internet. Children raised in this culture soon study that scamming is satisfactory – particularly if you are successful.

Surely they are only doing it to feed their families?

Using internet cafes will costs money. Those poor starving Nigerians who could not afford to feed their family also could not afford to use internet cafes.

It is the better educated Nigerians who are actually able to speak some English. While Westerners laugh at the way they crush it (how well could you write in another language?) they will not be able to speak it at all if they were not somewhat better off than many of the rest of their own countrymen.

Surely they are only stealing from white westerners?

Scams do no only target Westerners. They target anyone with money. So the rubbish about scamming to pay-back the west for the slave trade days is nonsense and romantic day dreaming:

Examples:

Thai women, catering assistant in Bangkok - lost about £20,000 of money borrowed from family and employer. When she told the scammer she had no money he told her to go borrow some.

Saudi Arab - $130K
Egyptian - sick wife - lost $10K
Egyptian - $7K
Black American woman - student - lost $2K
Black American woman - single mother - lost about $10K but was saved from losing another $20K by a timely phone call.
Korean guy - Lost $1000+
Mexican woman- reasonably wealthy family I think - lost $120K
Polynesian woman - $5K
Colombian man - $500 only.

Successful 419 fraud scammers can make a lot of money out of it. If they were actually doing this to right past wrongs then the money might be used to assist the poor. But this money obviously doesn’t get distributed to the poor. It goes straight to their pockets. The money that their victims have borrowed to money this business deal and would spend years paying back goes on supporting a way of life that very few others in Nigeria could enjoy.

Many countries are very poor and many countries have come off second best from colonialism but Nigeria had a huge amount of precious natural resources (oil).

There is more than enough to haul it out of the poverty. However dishonesty is a colossal problem, Nigeria is rated as the second most dishonest country in the world (after Bangladesh) and that was the corruption right through the whole of the society, from the top down.

Nigeria would not really be able to flee what some see as the inheritance of colonialism until this difficulty is dealt with. As long as it is bear, or worse encouraged, by the bulk of people then they would continue to struggle as a poor nation, stigmatized by a standing for corruption and scamming.

Surely no one is hurt and it is only money after all?

Numerous victims of 419 scammers have committed suicide or have been murdered. Some of the more organised criminal elements engage themselves in getting a victim to travel to the scammer’s country, typically Nigeria, South Africa or to Amsterdam, with large amounts of cash to ‘confirm the transaction’. The victim is then actually kidnapped, often beaten also tortured and sometimes killed.

This is not a rare event. It had happened numerous times. Recently, a victim 29 year old Greek man, George Makronalli, who had traveled to South Africa as part of a 419 scam. He was then kidnapped and actually killed when his family refused to pay the ransom. A day later, police found George's body in the Durban. Both his legs and arms were badly broken and he had been set alight, probably while he was still alive.

It even resulted in the death of a Nigerian diplomat: here is the article http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2003/02/57760

For those of you that are involved or support 419, I would like to draw your attention to a real Nigerian, one that is here in London with me, one that stands out and should make all the scammers on here feel ashamed. His name is Nuhu Ribadu.

Hope and Light at the nd of the tunnel?

So, don't waste your time supporting criminals in Nigeria. Support the people that take a stand and try to make things better.

As Nuhu Ribadu said, "Unless we address the problem of fraud & corruption,"  "there is no hope, there is no future."

Brave words from a brave man, a very rare Nigerian indeed and one that should make all 419 supporters on this forum hang their heads in shame.

Anwo and Nignog

All I can do is laugh at your stupidity. You will never amount to anything. That Nignog fakes a quote from me is proof that you are scumbags.

The only reason you are both angry is that you are filthy 419 scum and you have been found out.

You say you are a civil engineer, I doubt that very much. Maybe that is the character you play in your scam mails. Tell us what amazing things you have built in the "power house of Africa" LMAO

I feel kind of sorry for no hopers like you. Sitting there in a failed state that you have helped to create. Waiting for hand-outs from the Government and Western Aid agencies. Believing that you have a profession and are making a difference. I think the best part of you was left dripping down your mothers leg when you were born. I was told that she threw the baby away and kept the afterbirth (you)


You think that the whole 419 issue is a joke and an acceptable way to live. It is people like you that honest Nigerians should hunt down and burn. You are a tumorous cancer and I would not piss on you if you were on fire.

Your stupidity does not anger me as you are the person living in a shit hole with no hope and no future prospects, just waiting for old age to take you (that means 57 years old in Nigeria according to the latest statistics)

With filth like you, the only thing 'positive' thing Nigeria has to look forward to is HIV.

I had a little bit of hope earlier on that you were not such a cretin, but you have proven that you are. As for NigNog, if you check out his posts you will see how retarded he is with his worthless 5 letter replies to most threads.

You make a very good pair, tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.

So now back to the topic.

The only way to save Nigeria is to execute the scum like Anwog and NigNog. 419 scammers should be rounded up and killed.

It is the only way and I am sure that all normal Nigerians with an education and morals feel this way.

What people like Anwog, NigNog and others don"t realise is that they are responsible for the way Nigeria is, if you do not want it to change then carry on supporting such abortions such as them.

In the meantime I have written a letter to all Nigerian ministers calling for the death penalty for 419. Lets hope they agree 

guysmat:
What about those manufacturing fake drugs and selling them to unsuspecting pharmacies, hospitals as well as dispensaries?

They should be executed as well.

Omoso

I think a ten year sentence could be a good start, but it has to be the death penalty for any re-offending after the first.

two strikes and your out  :

@Anwog

LMAO Cohorts

These are filthy Nigerian scammers have have been caught and made to look like the fools they are. A bit like you and your supporters.

You can see all the rest of your family and friends at http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm

Have a good look them come back and brag how clever these people are. LMAO x 1000000000000000000000000000000000

You are stupid, pathetic, a criminal and the reason why Nigeria is in such a mess. You are the very cancer that Nigeria has to cut out

Civil Engineer my ass

Now get back to the internet cafe and send some more of your scam mails

PurestBoy:
May God punish the author of this thread and his/her cohorts:

Let God punish the 419ers and let them hand by their criminal necks until dead

The system is wrong. In the UK ministers get paid a stupidly low wage and then have the perks. They should just pay them a decent wage and be done with it other than travel expenses etc.

A Country is not made by a few people at the top. The country is what it is because of it's people.

Enough said

What is the problem, they were arrested and probably will be deported. Not to worry, I am sure that their are plenty of more Nigerian prostitutes waiting to take their place.

anwo247:
I seriously doubt if you are not a 419  who got swindled by your associates. I am serious. And for sure, you are not a Nigerian. That, we all know. An average Nigerian thinks.

Yes an average Nigerian thinks that stealing is absolutely acceptable, but working is too much like hard work.

anwo247:
Who is supporting who? The british through shell petroleum company and others have been stealing our oil without good account. Whos is helping who?

I think the most money that is made from the delta is from Nigerians kidnapping people. Then again when you talk about stealing oil and fuel:

https://photography.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/Photography/Images/Content/gas-pipeline-explosion-akinleye2-ga.jpg

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anwo247:
Because you ran into foreign land if you claim to be a Nigerian, you are now feeling that everyone wants to run?

Anybody with any sense wants to escape from the shite hole. Most of the intelligent people with money left long ago. The illiterate like you remain without any hope for the future.

anwo247:
I have  very clean hands and I believe that God is the ultimate judge. I dont need to kill those boys and have you alive. You are a victim and a partner in crime.

I think your hands are very dirty, I think that you are a 419 Yahoo boy.

anwo247:
Every exisitng law today that i know have equal punishment for 419 vicitm and the originator. That means you will have to die along. Please try and repent, your soul is important, Wicked fool.
You want to reap where you did not sow. Only gullible people like you do. THIEF, , OLE,, ONYE-ORI,, BARAWO

As I said you are a 419 criminal, that is the only reason you are defending these scum, you are one of them and you should hang with them.

There were no false declarations so I do not understand what you are talking about?

There is a big difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance

Just because Nigeria is a rotten failed state, you can not tar the UK with the same brush 

The last couple of days on this forum has proven without doubt that Nigeria is a dead society without morals, without culture, without any hope at all.

The number of people condoning and supporting 419 on this thread proves without doubt that Nigeria fully deserves its status as the paraiha of the world. Even though there are people that thhink things can get better, it can not. Nigeria is a failed society, not because of a few corrupt politicians, but because of the Nigerian people. The number of people on this forum who try and place the blame on anyone and everyone for their disgusting criminal mentalities beggars belief.

Nigeria, the power house of Africa should read Nigeria, the shithouse of Africa. Just because a country has the biggest population on a continent does not make it great, and what a population. A collection of lazy, good for nothing swindlers looking for a quick buck.

There are a small group of Nigerians that are not like the rest of the rabble, but they are very few. Since the British left Nigeria there has been nothing but trouble and despair. Forty years of failed governments and squalor!

The country is in ruins, Lagos is a rat infested hole crawling with filthy people, the majority criminals.

@Breese and Anwo and some other

I think that you are involved in 419 as are many others on this forum. That is why it is so difficult for you to stomach any critism.

You are the very cancer that honest Nigerians are fighting against, you may be smug and think that you can get away with it going forward, but your crimes will catch up with you and there will be a day of reckoning.



Nigeria is a disaster that has been caused solely by Nigerians. I think the IMF, the world bank and all other aid organisations should pull out from Nigeria immediately. We should cut off Nigeria from the International Internet Network and give no further financial support.

We should stop buying Nigerian oil and products.

We should stop issuing Visa's for Nigerians travelling abroad and withdraw all support. If Nigeria can not act responsibly on the world stage and play its part it should be shunned and cut off to decay.


Finally lets see some images of a few of your friends, they are the people that are making Nigeria great after all:

lagerwhenindoubt:


We should attack the problem. hang baba go slow's wife for Forex Racketeering. bloody bitch, then we can think of 419ners

Good idea, that could be the initial execution and would get things off the a great start

If Nigerians can not run Nigeria then why not the British?

I am sure allot of people would be better off if only they can swallow their pride a little

I am sure that for the sake of a green and white flag that many people would trade that for a well paid job, good housing, education, food and public safety

Bastage:
@ Thor.

Comparisons are not stupid.

The amount of money stolen may not be as large but the fact is that corruption in the UK parliament has been shown to be rife.
Just as in Nigeria, there is a culture amongst UK MPs that says that they must get as much money out of the system as they can, regardless of wether or not it is morally acceptable.
We can't say "legally acceptable" here because the legality of the issue is irrelevant - they make the law.

You say that the comparison is stupid but if you discuss this subject with any UK citizen, they will tell you the same thing. The system has been utterly abused and the MPs have shown themselves to be a bunch of immoral crooks. To me, regardless of the amount, that shows that a comparison is not stupid.

The comparison is stupid as no crimes have been committed in the UK. They were just taking liberties with the expense system, not stealing money.

It is principle and morals on trial that during the current worldwide downturn whether it was morally right to claim certain expenses.

You can not compare the UK with Nigeria 

Even homeless Africans living in the UK have a better future than most Nigerians 

You know as well as I do that the biggest problem with Nigeria is that the British are not running the country