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While certificates have been proven to be useless (by the likes of Goodluck Jonathan, Patience Jonathan, and Transmission IG of Police), it does seem this dude, being an outsider who has distinguished himself, would easily be the best candidate so far of all who have shown interest.

The ultimate question is, does he have the zeal and the will to change Nigeria for better?

Does he have the capacity to assemble a working team and structure that can help implement his agenda such that it is visible in the way the society functions?

Does he know we do not have a police force in Nigeria?

Does he know the army and their other military comrades are only effective in abusing the rights of Nigerians? And that they do not have any rights beyond that of the citizen within the civilian space that exist outside of their barracks?

Does he know that the economy is still petroleum based?

Does he know that corruption is both systemic and endemic to the point that it has become an acceptable way of life in Nigeria?

Does he have the courage to stand by the law, rather than stand by cronies and sycophants?

Will he allow the EFCC to be truly independent for the first time since its existence?

Does he know that a president should be wary of praise singers and should maintain his contact with the society and not become a prisoner of Aso Rock who lives by the dictates of useless men of his presidency?

Does he know that no single president of Nigeria has ever embraced a fight against the extra-judicial killings perpetrated by the police, paramilitary, and military forces?

Does he know that no president has ever cared to tackle the public lynching of the accused suspects in Nigeria. Not one law or nationwide broadcast has ever been made on the matter.

Does he no that the life of the Nigeria is worthless?

Xander85:
Yorubas' are free to do whatever the fuc/k they want regarding Jimoh Ibrahim! It's their look out! Ndigbo will not set our agenda or react on issues based on the actions, reactions or inactions of the Yoruba! Gerrit?

Given our journey thus far in this evil contraption you call a country, you as a Yoruba man (or wherever it is you're from) can never begin to understand or appreciate our challenges and experiences....not even in a million years!

You may have seen Jimoh Ibrahim of actually being guilty or responsible for whatever befell him and his company, i don't know. But in the case of Senator Oduah, you can't pretend not to notice most of your kinsmen are already branding her a thief! For what? Has she been convicted of any crime?

You can't pretend not to notice how the OP of this thread is already branding her in a negative light and it even looks like he's enjoying her travails. As a Igbo person, given our experiences in this shithole you call a country, just how else do you expect me to react to this?

Showing me links and news reports saying Senator Oduah is being tried for whatever is all well and good, but like i said, until she's convicted by a competent court of law for stealing or corruption, branding her a 'thief' as many of you are doing is something no fair-minded person will take! Especially in light of the huge log currently lodged in your own eyes!

This post just confirmed that your tribal problems in life do not have a solution, seeing that it is your own desire to have it. You just laid bare your hypocrisy.

Jide Omokore and Kola Aluko are being investigated for the corrupt deals they struck with the criminal called Diezani Allison-Madueke. Many of their assets have been frozen under a Fulani president.

Many Airforce chiefs that are Yoruba, had their assets frozen and properties sealed and are being investigated and prosecuted under a Fulani President.

Bode George was successfully prosecuted and convicted by a Fulani President, who also sacked and prosecuted Prof Adenike Grange for bribe for budget scandal.

A Yoruba president sacked chief Sunday Afolabi, arrested and began persecuting him before he died.

Same Yoruba president sacked and prosecuted a Yoruba IGP Tafa Balogun.

At no time under any president have the Yorubas lamented that they were being tribally targeted.

You have already been educated that a Yoruba Jimoh Ibrahim and Femi Otedola have had their own time with AMCON.

Ben Murray-Bruce has also faced his own troubles with AMCON, and did not lament that he was being hunted because of his Ijaw tribe.

Ifeanyi Ubah had his time with AMCON under the Igbo loved Jonathan, with an Igbo as the head of AMCON that was set up under the Igbo loved Jonathan with Okonjo- Iweala as finance minister. Same Ifeanyi Ubah faced his debacle being a debtor at an Igbo controlled Fidelity bank and having altercations with Cosmas Maduka of Coscharis group, who as a director of the bank, helped the ungrateful ifeanyi Ubah to secure the loan against the advice he had received from his fellow townsmen about Ifeanyi. The same Ifeanyi Ubah would later mock Coscharis group as a pure water business that couldn't have been of any assistance to him.

Only the Igbos lament that every criminal investigation or prosecution involving them is due to tribe and it is being schemed by the Yorubas or Hausa/Fulani they have become so fearful of.

Only the Igbos believe tribe should always be the first reason for whatever difficulties they face, because indeed that is how they operate themselves.

Lastly, AMCON was signed into law by Jonathan. If the Igbo's nature of doing business cannot thrive with the existence of AMCON, let the Igbos in the national assembly or a future Igbo president repeal the AMCON act to prevent Igbo businesses from become extinct.

Xander85:
There seems to be a linking thread joining sad gits who create Buhari/APC propaganda threads and chronic Igbo haters! Quite easy to see!

Have you considered that the reverse of what you typed above is what led to your own observation?

I mean chronic Igbo tribalists who saw Buhari and APC as deserving of their hatred, such that every anti-Buhari/anti-APC thread were always created by Igbos and attracted all manner of vile comments from Igbos.

The same pro-government/pro-military apologists during the Jonathan regime, who on this very forum threatened to withdraw their support if Jonathan dare to sack the criminal Stella Oduah, are the very ones who currently hate anything government and military related. The same military they were fond of terming as gallant when their theatre of operations was in the North, with many Northerners who complained of the excesses of the military within the civilian population as they battled book haram, being labeled by the our type as terrorist sympathizers.

revolt:
I'm In London right now where did u get this rubbish gist. All these liars . hype eerywhr

Are you the Mayor of London?

Wiseandtrue:
Speak for yourself I am not with the Palestine

Was the land stolen Or the Israelites took what was rightfully theirs

How was it rightfully theirs?

Did the Jews/Hebrew grow out of the land or did they commit genocide to occupy an already occupied land after escaping slavery from Egypt as homeless refugees?

Will the red Indians one day take over the land of America that is rightfully theirs from the white European occupiers that have been there for over 300yrs?

Will the Aborigines of Australia one day take over the land from the English/British occupiers who have been there for over 100s of years?

So why then do you believe the Jews must take over land that they had been sacked from by the Romans almost 2000yrs ago, just as they equally sacked the previous occupiers, and which has now been occupied for 100s of years by the Arab that have been there longer than the USA or Australia exist as a white man's country?

Did the Jews not begin to return to the Middle-East in this mordern era again as homeless refugees who were buying land from Arab natives in a Palestine that had been existing even before the Arabs expanded into that territory that did not contain any sizeable Jewish population.

Was it not with the campaign of Zionism that rich Jews in Europe and America contributed funds for the minority Jewish natives of the territory called Palestine and other Jewish settlers to buy land from the Arabs they met on the land and who were not the ones that sacked the Jews almost 2000yrs ago, at a time many of the current nations and tribes of the world did not exist on the current lands for which we call them natives?

Even up till the 1920s with refugee Jews already settling on bought land in Palestine, the Jewish population of Palestine was barely 10% of the total population?

So by what right did the refugee Jews from Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Austria, Germany come into a territory currently occupied by Arabs, and attempt to carve out a country with both lands bought for agriculture and accommodation and lands that were not bought, and then displace the Arabs from their own territory?

Israeli historian Benny Morris wrote (Benny Morris is an Israeli historian. He is a professor of history in the Middle East Studies department of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in the city of Beersheba, Israel):

But the major cause of tension and violence throughout the period 1882-1914 was not accidents, misunderstandings or the attitudes and behaviors of either side, but objective historical conditions and the conflicting interests and goals of the two populations. The Arabs sought instinctively to retain the Arab and Muslim character of the region and to maintain their position as its rightful inhabitants; the Zionists sought radically to change the status quo, buy as much land as possible, settle on it, and eventually turn an Arab-populated country into a Jewish homeland.

For decades the Zionists tried to camouflage their real aspirations, for fear of angering the authorities and the Arabs. They were, however, certain of their aims and of the means needed to achieve them. Internal correspondence amongst the olim from the very beginning of the Zionist enterprise leaves little room for doubt.

Maybe Benny Morris is also an Islamic fanatic, and an enemy of his own Jews? Maybe you know history more than a Jewish Professor of History of the MiddleEast?

“Princess Oduah-Ogiemwonyi, a serving member of the 8th Senate of the Federal Republic of Nigeria has been having a running battle with AMCON over her inability to settle her huge debt of nearly N20billion,” Mr Nwauzor said in the statement sent to PREMIUM TIMES.

Very typical of Nigerian politicians who are only in politics to use public funds to sustain their poorly managed private enterprise.

Emmanuel Mmaduike and Olawale Kashimawo, each 31, spent the cash on a lavish lifestyle. The pair hired helicopters, drove flashy vehicles and posted pictures of themselves with wads of cash, costly watches and consuming champagne.

They ran their scams from southeast London after acquiring hundreds of enterprise email addresses and passwords – which they used to divert funds away from official firms to themselves.

The typical way of life of lazy economic heroes.

Maybe they will give the same Nigerian excuse that there is no job in the UK and that the politicians are corrupt, that is why they too had to embrace crime.

When will the lazy Nigerian youth start consuming champagne with their own hard earned money?

I stand to be corrected, even the working class Nigerians who love to spend their after work evenings frolicking from one bar or club to the next, are mostly engaged in shady dealings that rob their employing company or clients of money. They are not spending their own earned money at all.

A thief once stole over N10m from his company by selling goods without depositing the proceeds of sales, and promptly relocated his family to the USA.

Before the company could discover, Jinadu don dis-farahan.

Many sales reps and even sales managers in Nigeria working for engineering firms, are outright criminals who deal with their corrupt procurement counterparts in the buying companies or government, to inflate the prices of equipment.

Funny thing is, this working class criminals are the ones who complain the most that Nigeria is a useless country. Maybe they are right, because a useful country would have ensured that with a working legal system most of such criminals would spend their useful years in prison.

By what authority is the army operating outside of their barracks?

Who gave them the order to march on a police station and an institution of the civil state without any Martial law or State of Emergency in existence?

Worse still, it would not surprise me that these army men are not even Military Police.

As usual, this inter force madness will consume lives like it happened in Badagry, yet nothing will change, nobody will be punished.

The illegalities of the military still continues 19yrs into our democracy.

seguno2:
Truth can’t be hidden forever.

But even FFK had in the past admitted that same Sheriff was their spy that PDP put in APC to distabilize it. And that same Sheriff was now back to the PDP after his mission with the APC at the early stages of the party's formation. The same Sheriff was then frolicking and hobnobbing with Jonathan.

So they all celebrated Sheriff and gave him the PDP caretaker chairmanship on a platter for a job well done as PDP spy in the APC.

When he then became a double agent that destroyed the PDP that had sent him on the same destructive mission in APC, Sheriff was no longer their darling spy but an APC agent?

It will always be remembered that it was clowns like Wike and Fayose and their supporters that made Sheriff the PDP party chairman.

hypnotic:
the IGR of lagos will bottom down

Is it Lagos state that is operating the Federal Ports in Lagos?

Onne port in Port Harcourt is still very much active.

selemempe:
Thank u Throwback. Now let me ask you. Do u think that the govt headed by the Dullard-in-chief will correct this mistake?

Buhari has proven to be a hypocrite who would also be trapped in the unproductive politics of "my Camp" vs "their Camp", rather than what is right or wrong.

The transmission IGP belongs to "my Camp", so he has done nothing wrong in the eyes of Buhari who sent him to Benue but he proceeded to Yobe.

pinkgoodies:
congratulations, make we clap for U, you are just a woman shouting up and down, don't you see them in your streets, community, village, work place and even church. why haven't you reported since. just dy make noise, if u no fit, just shut up.

You must have been blind to my last paragraph.

On what authority will I arrest my fellow citizen?

I don't want to report to a corrupt police, I want to arrest myself and see to it that the arrests I make lead up to criminal convictions.

selemempe:
Throwback answer this question

Many fools have been appointed in Nigeria.

The onus lies on the government to correct a .mistake whenever it reveals itself.

The Speech writer must have been denied his promotion, so he ensured he embarrassed his boss.

But the fool should have aborted the speech long before he did.

richidinho:


Just like challenging Tinubu to a debate in front of White house here in Amelika

Kikiki

But Tinubu goes to the USA all the time. He even attended the Democratic Party convention that ratified Obama's 2nd term candidacy in 2012


I think it is Atiku you wanted to mention.

seguno2:
Why spoil your nice post with the needless generalisation

If you know how easily susceptible to crime we are as a people, you would easily think you are the only one who is not a criminal when you hear your fellow Nigerians discussing.

Another Economic Hero bringing disgrace to Nigeria.

Yahoo criminal that should be lynched like we lynch petty thieves and beat up generator thieves and burglars.

And he has been staying there illegally on a 3 Months business visa since 2012.

Nigerians and Crime, twins conceived together.

I don't mind working for free just to help catch these internet fraudsters.

escodotman:
Whatever you Islamic fanatic may want people to believe about history, it will never change history. You can go and blow yourself up you stupid fool.

There you go again.

Very angry and frustrated mind, with a blockhead that lacks the capacity to learn.

With all that I supplied you to google and learn so you can educate yourself about "First Aliyah", "Jewish Colonization Association", "Palestine (region)", Kfar Tavor (Meshah), you choose to remain arrogantly ignorant.

Everyone is an Islamic fanatic to you who is the one so deficient in history, yet inventing imaginary history that you cannot even defend.

Finally, I leave you with the below excerpt from a Jewish scholar for your own education from gross ignorance.

Israeli historian Benny Morris wrote (Benny Morris is an Israeli historian. He is a professor of history in the Middle East Studies department of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in the city of Beersheba, Israel):

But the major cause of tension and violence throughout the period 1882-1914 was not accidents, misunderstandings or the attitudes and behaviors of either side, but objective historical conditions and the conflicting interests and goals of the two populations. The Arabs sought instinctively to retain the Arab and Muslim character of the region and to maintain their position as its rightful inhabitants; the Zionists sought radically to change the status quo, buy as much land as possible, settle on it, and eventually turn an Arab-populated country into a Jewish homeland.

For decades the Zionists tried to camouflage their real aspirations, for fear of angering the authorities and the Arabs. They were, however, certain of their aims and of the means needed to achieve them. Internal correspondence amongst the olim from the very beginning of the Zionist enterprise leaves little room for doubt.

Maybe Benny Morris is also an Islamic fanatic, an enemy of the Jews and a hater of your beloved and just USA? Maybe you know history more than a Jewish Professor of History of the MiddleEast?

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escodotman:
You are a bastar. D with a deep hatred for U.S and Israel. I've done enough to expose your lies which another has gullibly believed, well I don't blame the fellow. All you write over and over is ''Jews were buying land from Arabs''. You must have said that a hundred times. It is useless trying make you see history has it was but your denegerated brain and your insane mind, couple with your hatred for the U.S and Israel and your love for Islam have all blinded you.

I have had to repeat historical facts to you a hundred times over because you are a blockhead.

Even on such an intellectual debate, all you have been yapping is that your debaters should go and strap bombs and blow themselves up.

I am a Christian who is not a religious fanatic and who has no reason to love Israel or USA more than I love Justice.

You on the other hand is a raving fanatic and Israel worshipper, who believes Justice is whatever USA says it to be.

The very same USA that is existing on Red Indian land of America for a shorter period than the Arabs have been native land occupiers of Palestine that Jews bought land from.

Continue to bury your head in the sand, that will not undo history as it happened in reality.

escodotman:
All you've been doing is a display of desperation while you are trying hard to make people fall in line with your foolishness

As usual, you cannot tell us what manner of Israel existed after the sacking by the Romans in the 1st century AD/CE.

Yet you insist an imaginary Israel continued to exist from biblical times till 1948. So imaginary that it did not exist on any world map after its sacking. So imaginary it did not have any Aristocracy or political leaders until Zionists emerged in Europe less than 150yrs ago and started a campaign to takeover Arab lands in Palestine and relocate Jewish refugees in Europe.

Yet only you insist this Israel never ceased to exist as a nation in the Middle-East. You love to make claims that you cannot even defend.

All you have displayed on this thread is gross ignorance and idiocy.

You are truly a blockhead as described by another earlier. Worse still, you are one of many ass-lickers of the Jews, and you believe that righteousness is attained by worshipping the Jews as some special tribe of humans.

escodotman:
You want a map before 1947 showing Israel? Then show us the map showing Palestine about 2000 BCE!

Did I ever claim there was a Palestine territory that existed before the Romans sacked the Jews in the 1st century?

Palestine began to exist with the sacking of the Jews by the Romans in the 1st century till now, but you would have us believe that a nation called Israel continued to exist in the Middle-East from the time of Moses till the current Palestine conflict, yet you cannot show us a map form a year before 1948 with Israel on it.

Even when I used the analogy of Babylonia to explain to you like a child, that many kingdoms and empires that previously existed, no longer exist in the modern world, you still stick to your imaginary Israel that existed after its sacking by the Romans almost 2000yrs ago?

I asked you who were the leaders of this imaginary Israel nation that existed as Europe was also developing into kingdoms and democracies, but you cannot answer.

If this imaginary Israel existed, why were the Jewish Zionists buying land from the Arab natives of Palestine that the Jewish refugees from Europe later created Israel from in 1948?

You see stupidity and you choose to embrace it comfortably.

osaigbovo16:
You will have to agree both people have claims to the land. The UN partitions of Palestine favoured the Arabs, they went to war and lost. In war the winning side always occupy. Same way the USSR occupied Eastern Europe.

The treatment of the Arabs by the Israelis is the problem. Israel isnt working towards a two state solution and with time this crisis will escalate.

It is the Arabs who have been wronged, so you don't expect them to be ecstatic over an agreement that robs them of their territory without any initial warning of war that would have been planned for.

The Arabs made a mistake to tolerate the migration of European Jews into their territory. This can be blamed on the fact that the British accepted it, while the Arabs of Palestine were not a sovereign state to have stood against it.

Indeed the Arab nations supporting the Palestinians, lost wars against the Israelis, that allowed them to consolidate their footprint in Palestine.

It is obvious that Israel is intent that it will somehow take over all of Palestine. How it intends to do that and ensure a Jewish nation is what is left to be seen.

osaigbovo16:
Your argument is biased, you gone back to a thousand years, forgetting that this Jews were the original inhabitants of those lands. After they were dispersed by the Roman Empire, they were scattered around Europe. Before the outbreak of both world wars, the Jews have been systematically buying the lands from the Arabs, bear in mind that there were still minority Jews that were still living in those lands. After the world wars, a state was created both states and the Arabs refused and went to war that they lost! Why didn't the Arabs accept the initial agreement? Whose fault is it that the Arabs lost wars against the Jewish state. That doesn't change the fact that Israel is becoming a rogue state and it is practicing an apartheid system of government.
Both people are at fault and the world owes the Palestinians their own statehood.

If I was biased, I wouldn't have mentioned many times on this same thread that the Jews still had a minority native population in Palestine as evidence of their previous occupation of that territory.

You do not expect people who occupied a territory to accept that Jewish refugees from Europe will carve a country out of a territory they occupied as land owners.

The Arab natives were not selling their land to the Jews with the knowledge that they wanted to carve out a country out of it. They were selling land that they thought would be used for farming. Land they thought wasn't even as fertile as the Jews conditioned it to become.

Be careful when you use the term original inhabitant instead of predating inhabitant.

Did the Jews predate the Arabs on the land later known as Palestine in the modern history of the Christian era? Yes!

Did the Hebrew/Jew who entered Egypt as a family but departed as a slave nation, the original inhabitant of the land known as Palestine? No!

The Hebrew committed holy genocide to occupy that promised land forcefully and create their own kingdom named Israel.

The Arabs did not sack the Jews from the land, but came hundreds of years after the Jews had been sacked like they sacked to also occupy.

So why would you expect the Arabs of Palestine and the neighbouring Arab nations to just accept that a certain tribe that had last occupied the land almost 2000yrs earlier, has a right to return from Europe to carve out a country from a territory that many nations had since ruled over.

That there was no nation state in place by the Arabs in Palestine is not unusual when the territory was politically under British mandate.

NORSIYK:
Going by your analysis the land originally belongs to the Jews and why are you guys (Muslims) find it difficult to accept.

Originally belonged to the Jews? How?

Because the many tribes the Jews killed to occupy the promised land are not original?

Has white America let go of the land that belonged to the Red Indians they met there and that are still there?

Have the English let go of the Australia they met Aborigines occupying?

Or are you saying America is giving the Jews what they once occupied, but same America is still holding on to Red Indian land?

Was it the Arabs that sacked the Jews from a land that the Jews also previously sacked to occupy? Did the Arabs meet any Israel nation in a land that was then already known as Palestine?

Why are the Jews finding it difficult to accept that because land was sold to refugees, it does not give you the authority to carve out a country from a Palestine that was Arab dominated.

And why would an acclaimed owner be buying land that belonged to it?

NORSIYK:
Jerusalem belongs to Israel alone, like Benjamin Netanyahu said Jerusalem can never be shared with the Arabs. Israel have come to stay for good whether you and your fellow Muslims like it or not, long time ago Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey have accepted the glaring reality, Saudi Arabia has also started mending their relationship with the Jewish state.

So your own problem and focus of argument is religion inspired?

So what does Israel plan to do about the Arab Muslims and Arab Christians that are native to land that is even within already accepted Israeli territory?

The Jewish Zionists who were buying land from the Arabs then before Israel was created, should have been boasting then that they will not share an Arab populated Jerusalem with the Arabs.

Now that they feel they have well positioned themselves after their land theft, they can make boasts proudly.

Imagine refugees boasting after the takeover.

escodotman:
How can you people just come on social media to distort history and throw facts into the bin like this... Israel a creation of British government? Was there anything like British when Israel built The Pyramid of Egypt that is one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world today, thousands of years BCE? How come the same Israel is a ''creation by the British government''? What you typed, does it make sense to you?

Has anybody told you that the Hebrew/Jewish tribe did not exist or that they were not slaves in Egypt before they went on to commit genocides to occupy the promised land that was already occupied by other tribes?

The kingdom of Israel existed as were also many kingdoms then that don't exist anymore including the vast Babylonia and its glorious city of Babylon with its hanging gardens that are recorded as a world wonder just like the Pyramids in Egypt.

The old Babylonia is now Iraq, an Arab Muslim country. And the Arabs expanded there from the Arabian peninsular, long after Babylonia had ceased to exist.

So does it mean Babylonia still exist, since you claim Israel that was just created by European Jewish refugees in 1948 from what was land bought from Arabs, has always existed because it existed as a kingdom in the past?

Who were the leaders of this imaginary Israel in this AD calendar times leading up to the middle-ages to the Victorian era?

There was a vast and flourishing kingdom called Timbuktu in present day Northern Mali, but no such kingdom exist now. What exist now is Mali.

What exist now is Palestine, and Jewish refugees from Europe are dragging it with the native Arabs who the Jews were buying land from.

The current Israel remains a country that was created by majority European Jewish refugees with British approval in 1948.

The Jews played a fast one on the Arabs of Palestine territory.

Even Britain certainly regrets its role in the whole crises.

NORSIYK:
So who were the Jerusalem that the Romans sacked , the Arabs or Jews?

The Jews were the ones sacked by the Romans in Jerusalem, Just as the Jews also sacked tribes and committed genocide as recorded in their own holy books to occupy the same land from the tribes that predated them.

That was the way of the world even till the middle ages.

That was how white America came to be by forcefully and violently displacing the native Red Indians.

That was how Anglo-Saxon (English) Britain came to be by sacking the native Druids.

That was how Australia came to be with the English sacking the native Aborigines.

Now in this modern world that does not tolerate territorial conquest, the refugee Jews from Europe want to repeat a theft that their ancestors were also guilty of?

And you say the Native Arabs should remain friendly and let go of land they have been occupying for the past 100s of years till date before refugees arrived from Europe?

NORSIYK:
There has never been a nation known as Palestine ever in the history of the world. Nations have governments, armies, currencies, laws and everything else. Palestine is the mythical “ghost nation” created by modern-day Muslims in an attempt to try and undo and destroy the legitimate Jewish state of Israel that has existed for the last 3,500 years.

There has been no known nation called Palestine, but there has always been a territory called Palestine since the Romans sacked the Jews.

The Jews were not sacked by Arabs who arrived hundreds of years later.

There has been no Jewish state since the Romans sacked it and the ownership transitioned between many empires and inhabitants that culminated in the current Arab inhabitants.

The same Arab inhabitants the Jews were buying land from. The same land you are trying to convince us has always been Jewish from 3500yrs ago till date.

Why would the Jews buy Arab Muslim land to create Jewish villages if you are claiming that the Jewish state of Israel has always existed for the last 3500yrs?

All you have said above only suggests that you don't even know anything about Zionism or the Jewish Colonization Association.

Remind me again why the Jews would want to colonize a territory they where buying lands from the Arab, if there has been an existing Jewish state for the past 3500yrs till now?

Remind me what was the government of this Jewish state for the almost 2000yrs since the Romans sacked the Jews and named the area Palestine?

Who were their leaders and why does this Jewish state only exist in your mind and not in world maps of that interval that ended in 1948?

Why were Jews refugees in Europe?

NORSIYK:
The Palestine only came to be after world War one, the name ‘Palestine’ was applied to the territory that was placed under British Mandate; this area included not only present-day Israel but also present-day Jordan.

I know Jordan too was part of Palestine.

Palestine was the name given to the territory by the Romans after they sacked Jerusalem as a response to Jewish insurrection to Roman domination.

That name has existed for almost 2000yrs.

escodotman:
Why is this guy trying to distort facts like this? Behave like someone who can read and comprehend for once and not someone who is intellectually deficient to understand a simple write-up for once! The write-up never said Israel was not in existence before, it rather said they were Jews and the STATE OF ISRAEL was declared an independent nation in 1948!! Israel's existence dates back to thousands of years BCE. You also ignorantly agreed said Israel and the Arabs were not original occupiers, when you formerly and wrongly said the Arabs were the original rightful owners of the land in dispute. Can you see you don't even know what you are saying? If Israel and Palestine were the both not original owners of the land, that they both migrated there as suggested by you, what now gives Palestine to start protesting because of an embassy that U.S moved somewhere?

Kindly show us here a 1947 world map of the Middle-East, that shows anywhere called Israel. No state of Israel existed at the time the Arabs expanded into what was already known globally as Palestine. The current state of Israel was CREATED in 1948 from lands that the Jews had bought from Arabs within a territory that was populated by Arabs

The Greeks were the rulers of Egypt at a time of the dynasty of Ptolemy in the BC date era. Kindly show me where in Egypt is Greek today apart from the City of Alexandria that kept its Greek name as Jerusalem kept its historic Hebrew name, despite transitioning between many civilizations and ethnicities.

There is nothing like original owner of the land. The question is who was the current owner of the land in this modern world where many nations including USA and England exist on lands that were previously occupied by other tribes/nations.

In this modern world the current owners of Palestine were the majority tribe of native Arabs and sprinklings of minority native Jews. The majority Arabs trace their existence on the land to 100s of years. The takeover of Palestine by refugee Jews who Britain allowed to carve out the current country called Israel in 1948, is the sole reason for the conflict. A situation no other tribe or nation would allow on its territory, more-so when perpetrated by a refugee tribe whose claim is that their fore fathers whom the current occupants never met, used to once exist there almost 2000yrs earlier.


I ask you again, why were Jewish Zionists raising money in Europe and America to buy land from the Arabs who were the majority natives of Palestine?

I already gave you a historic village, Kfar Tavor (renamed from the Arabic, Meshah), that transitioned from being owned and populated by Arab Muslims, to being bought in 1901and owned and populated by Jews.

Yet you still want to argue with recent history.

So because the Anglo-Saxons are not the original occupants of England, are you saying a refugee tribe that is seeking asylum should go there and buy lands from the English and then try to carve out a country out of the existing area called England?

Are you also saying Black refugees should go and displace the Arabs in Egypt that they have occupied for about a 1000yrs?

The Arabs are the current owners of Palestine before a dispute ensued. They are the current owners that the Jewish refugees had to buy land from then formed a country that caused the dispute.

It should be the Jews begging for tolerance, accommodation and consideration.

NORSIYK:
Has Palestine ever been a country before?

Nope it was not country, else its government would have duly opened a refugee camp to receive the Jews and keep them limited to a refugee camp!

Nope it was not a country, else the Jews who were buying land from the Arabs they met on ground, would have been forced to use such lands only for private enterprise and would not have nursed the ambition of carving out a country of refugees out of another sovereign country.

But it was a territory Arab landowners surrounded by other Arab nations and Lebanon.

The more reason the native Palestinians were irked that Britain that oversaw the territory, allowed Jewish refugees to come from Europe where the Arabs and Muslims played no part in the situation that led to a European Jewish refugee crisis, to form a country out of an Arab territory.


Now my own double question.

Are the Arabs of Palestine the owners of their own land, for which they can trace their ancestry from the present time to the past that exceeds 100s of years?

Who did the Jewish refugees meet in the territory called Palestine and who did the Jewish Zionists buy land from in Palestine?

NORSIYK:
I have been keenly reading your posts and I must confess that you are intelligent but all you have been writing is total trash and you have tried such much to rewrite history upside-down just to get sympathy

It is trash because it is not historical fact that it happened, or you wish it did not happen so you can have some religious victory and peace that does not regard justice?