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popizaino:
How is offside a chance created?

Oga was Jorginho responsible for the offsides? Did he throw those passes to an attacker returning from offside position? How many incidents were recorded in that compilation, how many was offside?

Pride is the simple reason why you are clutching at straws here. The video have proved to you that Jorginho is not only about sideways and back passes. Instead of humbly acknowledging facts on ground, or at least let the discussion slide, you are grasping at straws.

popizaino:
And how is offside chances creation supposed to have aided Jorginho's assist number?

Is Jorginho responsible for those offsides?

While you're at it, how many chances was created in that video and how many offside incidents?

Skimpledawg come see our Point 1

raumdeuter:
That Hojbjerg pass now if to say na Werner dem send am to, or Lukaku or Morata make person come see how it will count as an assist or you will be swearing for the midfielder who made such "senseless" pass

Exactly.

I fit swear 99.9% say if na Werner dey that Kane position, e for be offside.

I wonder if Popizaino for blame Hojberg for playing offside pass to Werner.

nihilistjnr:
I never discussed Hojberg with you

I discussed the video that lordfalcao posted which was made in the Sarri Era, and you asked me to clarify my position

Telling me that I cannot judge Jorginho on chances created is actually laughable given that during the Sarri era, this is what you said:



How can you say if you stop Jorginho, you stop Chelsea, but then say the same person should not be judged on chance creation?

You can't eat your cake and have it too.

So you don't know the video is Sarri's era when you first asked the below?

nihilistjnr:
Over what time frame?

I'm seeing Higuain, Hazard, Willian in this video

The original discussion is Jorginho vs Hojberg not Jorginho output during Sarri era. Lordfalcao posted video to show that Jorginho can and frequently play the Hojberg pass that Popizaino wouldn't allow person rest here.

That is the topic of discussion. I am not discussing Sarri era with you. Don't deviate. Thank you.

raumdeuter:
Will you ever get an answer to why Morata and Werner were the most to enter offsides

The way people spin narratives here because of agenda dey amaze me. Na wao...

Person lay better pass, attacker no time run well, na Jorginho dem dey blame. Haba.

popizaino:
Don't confuse yourself man


Lordfalcao : if lewandoski,kane had gotten those chances they would have scored and jorginho will be having so many assist and I checked the video to realise that they were mostly caught offside and I now ask below

Popizaino : How would jorginho be having assists if the chances were offside like the video you posted ?

Can you prove the bolded?

nihilistjnr:
Calling Jorginho a DM to mask his poor attacking return is an interesting angle

In the Sarri era which we are discussing, this was your view on the importance of Jorginho to our attacking play



So let's not compare Jorginho to other DMs simply because he was the deepest midfielder on the pitch...all our attacking play ran through him.

There is no other 'DM' in EPL that has had this type of article written about him, and for good reason. There is no other team in EPL that has funneled all their play through their 'DM'

How many other DMs have been compared to Ederson or Phil Jones

Of course, it's now that you will revise the story and claim it's his position that prevented him from doing better, when in your own words under Sarri era, Jorginho was not a DM like any other DM.

We are not discussing Sarri era. Popizaino claim Jorginho cannot play the kind of Hojberg pass that Kane scored. Thankfully, yesterday we saw it from him. The narrative changed that we will see such in 10 years time again. Lordfalcao pulled out the video that shows different occasions Jorginho played such passes in a Chelsea shirt. No one is discussing an era here. This is Jorginho creating chances for his attackers which they waste here and there. For you to come and pull stats to judge Jorginho, a DM, with chances created is laughable.

popizaino:
God will also bless lordfalcao for also bringing that video that exposes his fallacies about how a better striker would have benefited from mostly offside chances.

I will bring Fabregas complications now you barely see strikers offside but pure misses, lose control or other stuffs not offside that chances you want us to believe its a perfect chance creation.

Simple question, is Jorginho responsible for those offsides?

The hustle is real

nihilistjnr:
The Reason why I'm asking is that like popizaino said, some of those passes were made to offside players.

Official EPL stats say that Jorginho only created 6 big chances that season with Higuain and Hazard. 6 big chances in 37 matches is terrible. In 2019/2020, EPL also said that Jorginho created only 6 big chances as well.

So that's 12 big chances in 2 seasons if league football.

If you stitch a video together of all the big chances that Jorginho created in the league including offside balls, and add maybe cup football as well, then it might look as good as that video there

But when you consider that all of Jorginho's creative output in over 94 football matches, spread across 3 years and 2 seasons of football, can be distilled into 6 minutes, then maybe it's not as impressive.

Jorginho could only manage 6 minutes (including replays, intro, outro, and a couple of candid shots) of nice passes from 8460 minutes of football...it's not as impactful as you would have us believe

How is it Jorginho's fault that those runs were called offside? It's not like he was pinging long balls to an attacker returning from offside position. What will you guys not say to paint Jorginho bad?

Just go back to that video and watch the first two passes. Those are two clear assists gone. Just like that.

I don't know when 'big chances created' is a metric to judge a DM... like, how?

Read this your line again... 6 big chances in 37 matches is terrible...... For a DM. Really? How does that sound to you?

Fingers crossed.

nihilistjnr:
Over what time frame?

I'm seeing Higuain, Hazard, Willian in this video

What does this even mean? So until he start throwing such pass 10 times per match is when you start appreciating him?

Jorginho is a DM bros.

@bolded.... While you see those players there, remember that there is no Havertz, Ziyech, Lukaku there too. Make of it what you want.

popizaino:
Yes because refs won't be blowing offside for lewandoski, kane and the likes .

You are seriously sounding so ridiculous right now. So Jorginho will play a pass AND control an attackers run? So it's Jorginho's fault that those attackers don't know how to time their run? What is wrong with you man? You conviniently choose to overlook the nonsense ball controls, the point blank misses and rather focused on offsides which are not even Jorginho's fault. Tell me what else is agenda.

When we say the finishers in front of Jorginho are seriously doing him a disservice it looks like we don't know what we are saying.

God bless you lordfalcao for that video BTW.

Trojan8:
My own na only Coady but I still feel the pain

To think I wasted BB last GW

popizaino:
What did they say about a broken clock again?

Don't you know about a broken clock when you claim he can NEVER do it?

popizaino:
No one is hating and I know when to give my player accolades when it is due, this obviously doesnt come as one of them because it should naturally be his default passing skill set and not something special.You are all saying this because the coward has made you so used to back passing and short passes that something as basic as that one is seen as something special about. I refused to join the bandwagon. And yes, I would have come here to tell you this is what jorginho should be doing if it was rodri and fabinho that did them, it is not hating on Jorginho but pointing out what he should be doing more often.

If Jorginho does it, it should be his default passing skill. Nothing much. But if Rodri and Fabinho does it, it's something special to come here and diss Jorginho for it. Yet you are not hating. OK. I get you now.

Ibime:
The difference is not negligible. The difference can be measured by 5 to 8 metres at the very minimum which makes a huge difference in getting the ball to drop in time. When taking freekicks, players will try to move the ball back just a matter of inches so they can get it to drop under the bar in time, you say 5 to 8 metres is negligible

The difference I'm referring to is the different mower line sizes. It's negligible.

Jorginho and Hojberg is in the same area of the pitch. And the passes are similar: over the top through pass. The only difference is that Jorginho is more accurate, maybe because he was free to pick his spot.

Ibime:
I believe our brother Unlimited22 is into opthalmology and can help you see that Jorginho is almost in line with the centre-circle.

That place you highlighted is still maybe 8 yards from Jorginho and Hogberg is another 5 yards further

If this frame is a bit bigger, the center circle will show.

That's exactly the position I marked where Jorginho will be if he is in this picture.

Ibime:
Don't let lawnmower line fool you. Lawnmower have different sizes. The centre-circle and 18 yard box should be your only reference point

The difference in sizes is negligeble on the context of discussion here. It's not like the difference is in feet or meters.

Both of them played their passes in the same area of the pitch.

afrodoc2:
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This was because Havertz' marker was sleeping on duty and stumbled while Kane's marker was awake to the danger and stayed on him like glue. You guys are talking like these passes were made on empty pitches in training. The response of the defence in each case should also be recognized.

When you factor in the response of the defender in each scenario and the fact that Jorginho had a bigger window to drop the ball in i think Hojberg's pass was more difficult but that is not to take anything away from Jorginho's pass which was very good as well.

Valid point.

But what I'm trying to say is that Hojberg's pass was too deep that Kane had to stretch to connect it. The mere fact that Kane had to stretch shows that the pass is not that accurate (remember Kane is already on the move when the pass is made. If he was static, he wouldn't have connected that pass). Now contrast it with Jorginho's pass that even triggered Havertz reaction and it ended up in his feet. Which of them is more accurate?

Note: I am not in any way watering down the quality of Hojberg's pass. What I am against is tagging Jorginho's pass as 'ordinary', that any Tom and Harry can throw such pass anyhow. That's wrong.

The day Hojberg made that pass, Jorginho was called out in this thread, that he can never give such a pass. He has done it yesterday and people are trying to water it down. All because of agenda.

If Jorginho were to be in this frame, the red mark is where his pass started from. How far away is he from Hojberg?

Why make it look like Hojberg is too close to curve a chipped pass while Jorginho threw his pass from his own half?

The only argument you have here Ibime is, Hojberg is under pressure while Jorginho was very free to pick his pass. Nothing else.

Ibime:
From where the defenders head is inches away from that ball, you can see he has very limited space to drop that without the defender reaching it.

The nearer the pass the more difficult it is to get it over a defence and down for the striker. The range Jorginho passed from is the most common range for that type of pass. The range Hojberg did it from is highly uncommon. You don't easily get enough velocity and lift to clear the defenders head at that range and enough space/time for gravity to bring it down for the striker without putting some backspin on that ball. Same reason we say some freekicks are too close to clear the wall and still bring it under the bar.

Count the lines from penalty box to Hojberg's position and do the same for Jorginho let's see how much difference their distance is sef.

At bolded.... Free kick is an entirely different scenario. Hojberg played that chip AWAY from the post while a free kick is aimed TOWARDS the post.

Consider how Kane stretched to make contact with Hojberg's pass and how easily Havertz controlled Jorginho's pass. That's where you will know whose pass is more accurate.

Ibime you are making it look like Hojberg has too much limited space to throw in that pass.

In image 1, did you consider the space AFTER the frame? Look at where Kane finally connected with the ball in image 2.

And contrary to what you want us to believe, the farther the pass, the harder the accuracy. You can't tell me that an over the top long pass from the halfway line is easier than a chip in front of penalty box.

Odiro possible biko.

popizaino:
Of course, I'm impressed but I just wonder if I won't have to wait till 2035 before he gives this kind of pass again ?

Is it how often he does it now, no longer if he can EVER do it?

popizaino:
What is shameless about I have been saying?

You don't have issues with Jorginho half the way Donstan have with Havertz, but he praised Havertz today. He appreciated him today.

The least you could have done is appreciate that pass. It won't make you less human. Read what you typed again and tell me if it's not shameless....

If Rodri or Fabinho had made this exact same pass from this exact spot in the pitch, I can bet my life saving that you will come here to type how Jorginho can never play such a pass in his career.

Stop the hate. Give accolades when due. You won't die.

50d33q:
Yessssss

Una try.

Meanwhile see my bench

50d33q:
Don't mind him na

Your boys fit give me clean sheet so?

For those who missed the pass...

Maduman

50d33q:
Look at him using physics to describe assist

The thing weak me.

Meanwhile I get Coady for bench

donjazet:
I could only laugh when I saw that comment. Some people are bad in collecting their L sha. You no see wetin Ibime dey cap now.

Meanwhile, we have won the last 10 games jorginho started in.

Ibime, I want to ask. If Chelsea finishes on 85 points and win one cup. Do you think we've failed??

Leave Ibime. Him too stubborn.

If it was another player that made that assist, Popizaino would have quoted Ibime and take a shot on Jorginho or vice versa