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Katakore: . They say little knowledge is dangerous. Have you ever heard of the word "complications"? What if Ebola patient develop end organ failure? Can you diagnose and treat that? Please stop assuming that you can manage such cases.

are you saying doctors are superhuman to diagnose cases without intervention of those in the field ?its obvious your ego is driving you insane.health institution has always and would continue to function effectively,when individual players perform at the best only within the confine of their profession.

Spuggie: @ doctors being certified killers, seriously!!!!!!!
U Are taking this personal, dude, u are deluded......u need help, go see a shrink
By the way, medical schools around the country are still taking students........just thought you might want to know

my statement that Nigerians put certifification above skill acquisition combined with is incontestible.its this same mentality that is ingrained in an average Nigerian
I suppose a more civil way to prove superiority in any setting' hospital as a case study should be on the job performance,use of human skills and expertise in the use of mordern technology to solve health problems and not in talking bullshit as u have just proven on this platform.

Spuggie: Hey dude, dis just go to shows how conversant u are with the health sector,but here you are commenting....its not cool that you insulted drkay....just to minimize any confusion, am a doctor and a doctor owns the patient and that why a doctor is held reSponsible if anything goes wrong and a doctor gives referral letter should the patient decide to leave.......if the doctor who is in charge is going on strike wats the point of leaving the patient in bed.....go get some education dumbass and as for the JOHESU, I am yet to figure out between you and them who have a higher IQ

I believe its rather you that needs some more enlightenment and orientation into what is the current 'acceptable best practices the world over.Nigeria had spent so much time in ignorance placing much premium on paper certification in place of skill acquisition combined putting its citizens at the mercies of certifified killers in disguise as medical practitioners.our nation should wake fast from its long sleep and get accostumed to what has become the best practise of care in which competencies in separate chosen fields in health management are given the pride of place.let nurses,doctors 'pharmacists and other professioners rise to the peak of their separate careers and watch the unimaginable progress that comes thereafter.I rest my case!

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Victomolola: I think johesutes are competent than doctors, why are they not doing the work now?

There are job descriptions for each of the players in the health team.One is interdependent of the other if they must achieve in the overall.hence its absurd for any of the team member to infringe on the rights of the other. otherwise, there would be chaos as we currently have.

nobilis: My guy, doctors work in the laboratory. They are called pathologists. Doctors can nurse patients but they don't do it because it is not their job description. Doctors work in radiology departments, they are called radiologists. There are doctors who specialise on the action of drugs in humans and how drugs interact with the human body and how drugs interact with other drugs. They are called pharmacologists and toxicologists.


If JOHESU has a problem with NMA demands, they should be pestering the govt, not NMA because NMA is not demanding anything from them.

Why would an association sue another association for embarking on strike action? And you're here talking trash. Where is your common sense, bro?
If NMA is not a trade union, is it not left for the govt to know what to do? Or has d govt not been aware of that?

An association is legally permitted to engage another in litigation as in this scenario.be reminded that NMA pioneered the litigation process challenging the competency of other health union(JOHESU)'to be forwarned is to be foreharmed'

All comments are merely accusations and counter accusations.truth be told,a level playground should be set for all practitioners in the health industry to showcase proficiency in their chosen fields, in order to impact on the patients positively.
Each practitioner should seek to be best in a particular field. trying to be best in another person's field,is quite unthinkable.
whichever professional thinks and crave superiority should prove it by their
competencies and expertise on their job not in castigating ,blackmailing of other professional...these i see as barbaric and in no way in the interest of patients and of the nation

skelewu74: My dear, you are not independent. You are mid-level practisioners. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. So if you think you are independent, maybe that's on a web page or inside your books.

You are responsible to the doctor. I wonder why I am telling this to a nurse. Are you not supposed to know this?

I dont like dragging issues like this with your kind of character your mind is made up already and your only fear remains Change.embrace it see how it does you a whole lot of good.

skelewu74: well nursing is a very Good profession. I married a nurse. They are not dummies. They have actually suffered for their RN and need to be appreciated and not looked down upon.

But nurses are not independent. They cannot make a decision concerning the patient, and must carry out the doctor's order.

That's for a Good nurse anyway. You cannot be a Good nurse without that.

Quite interesting to know you married a nurse.however,you would do yourself and others who share the same idea of nurse being subservient to doctors a whole lot of favour to get informed of nursing care process
Am sure having been educated on what it is,you would realise nurses occupy the centre stage in decision making process in patients
care.

skelewu74: Every profession for itself. That's if those "professions" are truly independent and not appendages of one profession. When it comes to hospital setting, what you are talking about does not exist. There's order. There's tradition. Health profession is a traditional profession. You must follow the way it is done.

Doctors are not asserting a superiority over others. Their status, their role, their expertise, and training on the patient's care, which is the primary essence of the hospital is overall superior. That is not to suggest other people's inputs are not important.

The question is about who bears the overall responsibility? Doctors. None of these appendages of medicine can train their students without a reference to the doctor. That is the tradition anywhere. Medical tradition is not a bottom -up approach; all medical cases must reach the doctors first, because he has the overall view of all other appendages and if it gets to where others are needed, he acts accordingly.

Most people don't want to recognise this fact. They see it as pride. It is not. When the doctor needs the lab scientist, he needs him to conduct some tests for him, not to take over the management.

The whole thing in the hospital setting is about who gets to make decisions.

But if you work in the lab of your own, or in a private or hospitals where there's no need to do it the right way, the struggle between doctors and Johesu members over who is most central to the patients care would not exist.

Your theory of one profession been an appendage to another does not arise in our hospital environment
Every profession is interdependent one is not an offshoot of the other.unless you come out more clearly with your explanation
Likewise your assertion that the overall responsibility of hospital services should be borne by exclusively doctors is also a display of ego.i am still of the opinion that headship of health institutions should be by every of the players in the sector in as much as he/she possesses the requisite academic and administrative qualifications

skelewu74: I agree with you in part. I mean up to the point your bias against doctors started showing. We need change. But what kind of change? The only change we need is one for the better. A change for the worse is when mid level practisioners want to rival their leaders, I mean doctors. It isn't done ANYWHERE in the world.

When you guys say, "as it is in other parts of the world", do you think civilized societies don't know the place of doctors, and your own place? Do you they are dumb there? Which country do you know where its nurse, lab scientist, pharmacist pass themselves off as equal in status to its doctors in the hospital setting without serious frowning upon, allegation of fraud and consequent litigation?

We do go out of the country quite often, and you know what? Serious people don't consult with their lab technician /scientists or pharmacist or nurse in place of qualified doctors.

The issue of claiming equality does not call for in this case.what obtains the world over is every profession for itself.physician dont assume superiority on another health practitioner in civilised climes.but what we have here in nigeria is quite absurd.
That is the kind of CHANGE i talk of.

I quite enjoy the discourse on this forum.seems a lot of people are now aware of the modern trends.i sense this from various submissions and majorities of comments here.that been said,CHANGE is an inevitable entity
I hereby use this opportunity to plead with our physicians' friend to bury the hatchet and embrace the waves of change brewing currently in the health industry around the globe.
What we have to do now is to seek and work for the well being of people we live with;neighbours ,friends ,colleagues ....on no account should we place ego,selfishness as paramount in the pursult of our dreams
Only then can we truly evolve as a nation that's envy of the World

Eldavido1: If I misquote you, then I am sorry about that. But saying " we gave drug too" aren't that suppose to be your primary responsibility? I thought doctors work is to prescribe while yours to administer, so what is special here? who is contesting with you about that? But if in anyway you administer medications other than does prescribe by doctors, then I am definitely right in calling you "bunch of killers". And by the way watch your spellings. I do have hard times reading short hand.

You ve to bear in mind your prescription must be in conformity with patients' health needs for the nurse to administer,otherwise the nurse would do the needful.

Onlinebizexpert: all I see from this article is a pained NURSE who probably is trying to show us that he has better prowess in vocabulary than SENATOR PATRICK OBAHIAGBON


you are trying to address an issue by writing an article to both medics and non medics and all you do is to use medical jargons in all your statement so that readers of your article would see that you are equal or even better than a doctor.


since you claim that you got better grades than the student doctors in your time...why don't you just dress up and walk to the nearest hospital and start attending to patients since DOCTOR ARE DISPENSABLE and probably you have gone to more conferences than them

I am not against your views but I can see that your anger is not directed to the issue at hand but to some personal ego based grudges you have against doctors if not you would not have written the trash i just quoted

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non medics dont understand that most nurses are simply angry that a newly graduated doctor can just ORDER them around even though they might have stayed in the hospital before the young man/ woman entered medical school

to be sincere in this war of power neither the DOCTORS' view nor the NURSES VIEW matters , what matters is the PATIENTS WELLBEING

i have gone to some hospitals where they claim that NURSES are now attending to patients, i stepped in without even being on doctors regalia all the patients ran away from the nurses so that they can get better care from a doctor

it is not about grammer or the amount of medical jargons you can speak, no matter your intelligence, your degree, qualification, money, where you read a NURSE CAN NEVER EVER USURP THE ROLE OF A DOCTOR WHO KNOWS HIS JOB WELL

so mr professor in nursing and midwivery, when you have developed extra balls enter the hospitals and take over the role of a doctor just for one day I believe you will understand that you would just be a QUALIFIED SERIAL KILLER


thanks and God bless you

GOD BLESS NIGERIA

GOD HELP THE PATIENTS

Hello sir,how is it i read lack of comprehension on ur post here cos in what the Op had just written without being sentimental,he never assumed or tried usurping role that is not within his confine
What he posted was only meant to checkmate excesses of the so called doctors claiming the perpetual headship/ consultancy position of the health institution.i implore you and your likes to always view and address other peoples submissions next time on a broad angle so that every one would be informed rather than on sentiment and on aggressive note.thanks!

philtrum: What you sh*t head should have known......

ur response to an harmless question tells more of the kinda god that you are.an angry d*g sorry god!

philtrum: One more sane person .........nurses, pharmacist, pharmacologist, microbiologist and others wants to be named consultants and Chief medical Director......oh you think Doctors are not business oriented too...6yrs in Med sxh + (up to 10 years to specialize for some Doctors) you think they were dancing galala and alanta in ward or popping champagne in the theatre, Or you think its yinka ayefele they sing during ward rounds. No public holiday as student and as a Doc......(Lemme stop before I vex)

n what is this one saying?

Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by harmonyedwards(m): 3:14am
timowale: Its quite amazing how majorities of respondents who are doctors on this topic have expressed such hieght of amateurish reaction to it.
i mean how possible is it for a so called professional in a specific discipline to have expertise also in virtually all other affiliated discipline
The claim by all doctors and the pro-doctors on this issue that all the other health workers are half baked is fallacious.
Each profession within the health team has its context and curriculum of study different from another health profession.you can only show expertise in a specific profession you have chosen
Next time you want to rubbish a practitioner in another discipline,do come up with more credible points instead of just typing to satisfy your egos

A horrible display of ignorance!
Kindly purge yourself of it by doing a lil' homework!
Go and research into medical training...
You would be shocked!

[quote author=harmonyedwards]On the contrary,its obvious you are the one playing ignorance on this issue and I do not need your so called medical training cos I belong to one already where am presently displaying maximum expertise.I put it to you that you are the one that needs to study more and get more knowledge in your field.this would get you more committed in your field and you won't have time to distract others who are committed to their duties from doing so.nonsense!

Its quite amazing how majorities of respondents who are doctors on this topic have expressed such hieght of amateurish reaction to it.
i mean how possible is it for a so called professional in a specific discipline to have expertise also in virtually all other affiliated discipline
The claim by all doctors and the pro-doctors on this issue that all the other health workers are half baked is fallacious.
Each profession within the health team has its context and curriculum of study different from another health profession.you can only show expertise in a specific profession you have chosen
Next time you want to rubbish a practitioner in another discipline,do come up with more credible points instead of just typing to satisfy your egos

Its quite amazing how majorities of respondents who are doctors on this topic have expressed such hieght of amateurish reaction to it.
i mean how possible is it for a so called professional in a specific discipline to have expertise also in virtually all other affiliated discipline
The claim by all doctors and the pro-doctors on this issue that all the other health workers are half baked is fallacious.
Each profession within the health team has its context and curriculum of study different from another health profession.you can only show expertise in a specific profession you have chosen
Next time you want to rubbish a practitioner in another discipline,do come up with more credible points instead of just typing to satisfy your egos

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Akosbaba: i cant possibly believe anyone actually believes this post is true but hey the world is full of d.u.m.b peeps sha

The op might not be stating a literary view though,but a wise individual should be able to grap some sense from the statement.
Our politrician have taken us for granted since a long while.milking us dry financially and still expecting us to praise them high.
its incumbent on us electorate to wise up and get back ourselves from these vampires whose only interest is to deplete us of our God given proviledges.

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Like someone once posted on this forum,the nation must address the many 'P' s issues confronting it first.
Pervasive Corruption
Petroleum Subsidy Thieves
Pension Fund Scam
Police
Papa decieving pikin
Pentecostal Churches.....add yours

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deandavid: how do u want to do dat, if nt by getting involved

On the issue if involvement,everyone is directlyor indirectly involved.but until we are well orientated towards the right course ,our dream of a new nigeria wd be a mirage.
its high time our perception,attitudes and actions got shifted to the right course then and oly then can we begin to witness revolution in practicality

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I see no revolution happening here.what i see is corruption having a change of batton.if really,the nation is going to witness revolution,all hands must be on deck to checkmate this powerful monster that have continued to eat deeper into our politicking.A party that engages in looting and stealing public fund can not be an alternative but partner in corruption.

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for complementing these shortage of nutrients having by the table side extra plate containing freshly mashed pepper,tomatoes..offers some assistance.
i have seen this done before by westeners