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krattoss:
do u beleive in allah?
Is allah the same person as yahweh?

Allah is an Arabic word that means “God” or, more accurately, “the God.” In Western culture, it is commonly believed that the word Allah is used exclusively by Muslims to describe their God, but this is not actually true. The word Allah is used by Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity and Judaism) as meaning “God.” However, according to Islam, Allah is God’s proper name, while Christians and Jews know Him as YHWH or Yahweh. When Arabic-speaking Christians use the word Allah, it is usually used in combination with the word al-Ab. Allah al-Ab means “God the Father,” and this usage is one way Arab Christians distinguish themselves from Muslims. Before the inception of Islam, most Arabs were polytheistic pagans, believing in an unfeeling, powerful fate that could not be controlled or altered or influenced by human beings. Muslims regard Muhammad as the last and greatest prophet, and they credit him with restoring to the Arabs the monotheistic faith of their ancestors. Islam and Judaism both trace their spiritual lineage to Abraham, but the God-concept of Islam is different from that of Judaism and Christianity in some significant ways. Yahweh and Allah are both seen as omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and merciful. However, in both Judaism and Islam, God’s mercy is dependent, at least partly and many times fully, on man’s actions. The Islamic concept of Allah and the Jewish concept of Yahweh both deny the triune nature of God. They eliminate God’s Son, Jesus, and they also eliminate the Holy Spirit as a distinct Person of the Godhead, For that i don't believe in Allah.

pesty100:
we are outraged at the idea called god

Why?

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Thank you op!

freecocoa:
okay stay then, if you ever leave, shame unto you.

F**lish atheist!!!

MizJanet:
Confuse man , you said your god sacrifice himself



Yet at thread title , you said
he actually sacrifice his son not himself .

"
God Sacrifice His Son"


Seems You gat no clue

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1co 1:16). You can never comprehend this.

freecocoa:
then by all means that shouldn't be your business, why not act like a sensible fellow and mind your business.

You provoked my spirit. And i'm not gonna let go. Bring out evidence to support your claim. "Intellectual."

freecocoa:
my friend go and get your sentences right before coming here to post trash. Did anyone force you here? If you cant engage in an intellectual discourse, wouldn't it be best to leave or be quiet and learn, instead of trying to constitute a nuisance? Give yourself brain.

Your thread is senseless! You're making a nuisance of yourself here.

freecocoa:
Dude buzz off if you have nothing to bring to the table.

You buzz off!!! No evidence to approve your claim. Close this this thread.

freecocoa:
and ofcourse, yours does.

I have so many proves. One of it is for you to do what i asked. What have you got to prove?

freecocoa:
I'm sure I've said why somewhere on this thread, do well to look.

It seems you are the crazy one, cos your assertion does not hold water.

freecocoa:
You are crazy, you just don't know it yet.

You disprove God's existence. Why?

freecocoa:
You sound crazy, no offence meant.

I'm not crazy. If you do it and nothing happens, then i'd agree with you that God doesn't exist. Please do it.

freecocoa:
kai!

You are funny sha, what makes you think I haven't been doing so for years?

I'm very serious. Start from tomorrow first thing in the morning. Please do it.

freecocoa:
He doesn't mean sh1t to me, I just want the people who claim to worship him to see him for what he really is, a blawdy chauvinist, but ofcourse he doesn't exist.

If you wake up in the Morning, look yourself in the mirror and say; God doesn't exit. Do it for seven days.

MizJanet:

I observe two tinz concerning this thread

A) @your thread title, did God sacrifice himself or his son ?

B) if the soul IS IMMORTAL , how can the christian jesus sacrifice his soul to death as ransom for many?

A. Read the post. My assertion is very clear.
B. It depends on your understanding of what the soul is.

K9blunt:
Life goes on, death has no friend. But how you leave your life matters. Your only back up is a book written by some clever psycologist who are dead and gone and never realised the impact of their ideas on the future. Have you ever wondered if william shakespeare (hope I spelt it right) was existing 2000years, would you have been praying in the name of romeo?
I don't feel moved with that subtle threat of while there's still time, meaning I should make heaven and advoid hell. So use another tactic or free me. Jeezz!

You are wrong in your assertion.

Jozzy4:
Point of correction: " WE ARE DUST" ps 103:14 .



Point of correction: the HIGHLY INTELLIGENT HUMAN BRAIN is responsible for this .



So God was praying to himself ? He was only pretending to pray to a God in heaven ? .. Pls, who is God refering to as "MY God" ? Himself ?

Yes we are dust. The psalmist used this expression to show how compassionate God has been and because he knows our weaknesses and frailties. We are also spirit and soul.
Yes the highly intelligent human brain. Let me ask you: where is the mind?
If Jesus was God,
why did He call God "My God?"" This can definitely be a
confusing issue. It all goes back
to the "mystery" of the Trinity.
When Jesus was on the cross, He
quoted Psalm 22 (Matthew
27:46; Mark 15:34). This was a
psalm of David, but it was a
Messianic prophecy as well. The
entire psalm contains remarkable
predictions by David concerning
the coming Messiah. So, one of
the reasons He called God "my
God" was to fulfill the prophecy
of the psalm.
At the moment of His death on
the cross, Christ was
experiencing the abandonment
and despair that resulted from
the outpouring of divine wrath
upon the sin that He bore. This
was the price He paid to redeem
His church–all who would ever
believe in Him–and He paid it in
full. At the cross, Jesus in His
humanity voluntarily surrendered
His will to the Father in order to
finish the task for which He came
into the world. In the same way,
He voluntarily emptied Himself of
certain aspects of His deity when
He came to earth as a man. In
some way we can’t fully
understand, God the Father
turned away from God the Son
for that moment, and Jesus died
a very lonely death.
There are other places He calls
God His God. In John 20:17 and
Revelation 3:2,12, Jesus calls God
"My God." Why would God call
Himself "My God"? It has to do
with Christ's relationship to His
Father. Even though Christ is the
eternal God Himself incarnate, He
is still a different person from the
Father. As a man and as man's
representative (Son of Man),
Jesus' person was dependent on
the Father and, like us, looked to
the Father for strength, guidance,
wisdom, etc. Therefore, God the
Father was the God of Jesus. The
Father is the God of the Son, but
it doesn't imply inferiority, only a
difference in roles.

Jozzy4:
You have read the bible , abi? Then Answer my question : who exactly is God praying to ? Anoda GOD

Now if you believe you are spirit, soul and body. And this three part of you function differently but are interrelated. What's that turmoil you feel inside of you sometimes? It simply tells you that there's a part of you that is yearning for interrelationship. Why do people dream when they sleep? Why do you get emotional sometimes? Why do you think and express words through your mind without opening your mouth, how were you able to do that? Does it Sound strange? If you cannot fathom this, how can you understand if i tell that when God pray, he's only relating to himself. Father, son and holy spirit agree as one.

Jozzy4:
You who have read the bible , tell me : WHO IS GOD PRAYING TO ? , I will not be suprised if u cant answer the question coz here is your statement " God is in THREE " polytheism , 3 Gods .
! You still have alot of work to do .

GOD IS ONE. Let me ask you: Can water take 3 different forms? Yes. If water from a liquid state can become solid and vapour. Why can't God reveal himself in three distinct (not separate) but interrelated and completely unified persons: Father, son and Holy spirit. Do you know humans are triune: Spirit, soul and body.

OgundeleT:
whenever u want to write something please always think very well so that u wont be contradicting youself. You claim God is omniscient and yet he didnt know adam and eve will eat the fruit before he created them? he never knew the world will be like this before he created it? If he didnt then he's not omniscient, if he knew then you cant say he love us, since he knew the world will be like this and yet he proceeded in creating it, he makes people suffer for sin they never commited.
You also claim he is omnipotent and he cant forgive eve when he knew they know nothing? Or instead he should recreate them intead of punishing billions of human being? But yet he proceed and you call that love?
You also claim he's omnipresent, that means he was watching satan when he was deceiving eve to eat the fruit and he couldn't stop the satan since he knew her generation will suffer for it and u also call that love?
you also claim God is unchangeable but he love sacrifice before and now he need praise?

Yes God is omnipresent, he is everywhere at the same time. No matter where we go, God is there ( ps 139:7-12). This means that God sees and is aware of everything we do.
Yes God is omniscient. He knows everything. But it does not suggest that God causes everything to happen that he knows will happen, including our choices and actions, note that. God has given us free will to make our own decisions, which means that people are still responsible for their choices and the results of those choices. The fact that God knows everything does not mean that he is limited by his own foreknowledge. He remains free to alter his purposes in time and history, depending on what he wants to accomplish and what he knows is best (see Num 14:11-20; 2ki 20:1-7). Yes God is omnipotent. He is all-powerful and has the highest authority over all things and all creature. This does not mean, however, that God uses all of his power and authority all times. For example, God has the power to destroy all sin (which would require eliminating human imperfection), but he has chosen not to do so until the end of history (see 1Jn 5:19). This safeguards all of humankind's freedom to choose, including those who take the way of destruction and reject what is right if they so desire. In many cases, God limits his power by working through his faithful people only as they pray and depend on him (2co 12:7-10). In this respect, he exercises his power depending on each person's degree of availability and submission to him. Yes God is unchangeable. There is no change in his attributes, in his perfection or in his purpose for humankind. Yes he demands sacrifice as payment for sin, but who dies? Animals, sheeps and goats. If it so hurts you don't ever eat meat again. He doesn't need animal sacrifice anymore, cos it could not fully atone for my sin and your sin, and because the perfect sacrifice has been accepted. And all you need do now is to say yes or no.

Jozzy4:
Since God himself come down , who is God praying to ? another God ?

He prayed because as Son he took on himself the form of man and in taking
on the form of man he
took on himself a human nature (not a fallen nature) please read (Phil 2:5-. In taking on this nature. He could hunger, thirst, become tired could cry, and could even die. But one of the principle characteristics of the
human nature is that it must pray. There is
something within all men that cries out for them to pray whether they do or not. So Christ in his humanity prayed unto the eternal spirit. Now even as God took these human characteristics on himself when he came into this
world, even so He laid
them aside in His
resurrection, and we no longer know him after the flesh (2co 5:16) Paul said we have known
Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth now we know him no more. After His
resurrection we know
him as Thomas found Him, "My Lord, and my God" (Jn 20:28). We know Him as John saw him on the isle of patmos, as the Almighty (Rev 1:7,. As the first and last (Rev 1:17,18). If
Jesus is the first and last there can be room for no other. We know him now as King of Kings and LORD OF LORD (Rev 19:16).

Jozzy4:
You didnt answer my question, : did God SEND another God to die for my sin ?

God did not send another god to die for you. Jesus, as God incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No one forced Him. He laid down His life willingly, as He made clear speaking about His life: “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again” ( John 10:18)

K9blunt:
A pot calling kettle black. I laugh hard!

Get a life, I mean a real life and stop metioning me, since you have nothing better to talk about.

God's will is that everyone who looks unto christ and believes in him shall have eternal life (Jn 6:40). Take the chance for that life now while there is still time.

johnydon22:
Lol bro salvation from what...?

from what God will do to her if she don't believe? Thats blackmail you know?

"Believe me/Love me or else i will hurt you" is a very egoistic show of blatant blackmail and abuse riddled in unwarranted threat wreaks of imperfection and fatal flaw, something you would expect a being powerful enough to create the universe to be well above

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God (1co 1:18).
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish (luke 13:3).

K9blunt:
May reality have mercy on you.

You are lost! You need salvation.

Jozzy4:
Bible said God send his only begotten son , you said ' No , its God that sacrifice himself' , who should I belive ?

Are u saying God send God to die for my sins ? Do we Have two Gods ?

God is triune (i.e., three in one), that means he is one God, a single being who has revealed himself in three distinct (not separate) but interrelated and completely unified persons: Father, son and Holy spirit (Mt 28:19; 2co 13:14; 1pe 1:2). Each person is fully God and equal with the other two; yet they are not three Gods, but one (see Mt 3:17, note; Mk 1:11, note).

God requires a blood sacrifice in order to forgive a person's sin.
. . . without shedding of blood
there is no forgiveness (Heb 9:22)
This is a strong statement. God
cannot forgive a person's sins
without the shedding of blood.
The question is, "Who dies?"
1st Sacrifice. The first sacrifice
occurred immediately after Adam
and Eve sinned. Eve did not know
what she was doing when she
ate of the fruit of the Tree of the
Knowledge of Good and Evil,
according to 1Tim. 2:14, but
Adam did. He willfully sinned. Eve
did not believe God, she ate, and
Adam sinned. As a result God
killed two animals in order to
give them clothes.
The LORD God made garments
of skin for Adam and his wife,
and clothed them (Gen
3:21)
Was this a blood sacrifice by
God? Some think so. But it is clear
that Abel did offer a blood
sacrifice in Genesis 4:4. The
concept of a blood sacrifice was
already understood.
There is no barbarism in what God did. The only thing i could see is love! Love for you and i. The Perfect Sacrifice. A blood
sacrifice was required because
Adam had sinned. The
forgiveness of his sin required
blood to be shed. God could have
killed Adam, but He used an
animal. Unfortunately, the
sacrifice of an animal does not
give a person lasting forgiveness.
For the Law, since it has only a
shadow of the good things to
come and not the very form of
things, can never, by the same
sacrifices which they offer
continually year by year, make
perfect those who draw near.
Otherwise, would they not
have ceased to be offered . . .
But in those sacrifices there is
a reminder of sins year by
year. For it is impossible for
the blood of bulls and goats to
take away sins (Heb
10:1-4)
Every time a person sinned a
new blood sacrifice had to be
offered in order for their sins to
be forgiven. But Jesus was the
perfect sacrifice who takes away
our sins completely (John 1:29).
. . . we have been sanctified
through the offering of the
body of Jesus Christ once for
all. (Heb. 10:10)
When a man or woman believes
that Jesus can take away his/her
sins and sincerely trusts in Him,
that is, depends on Him to do
that, then his/her sins are
forgiven. Jesus is the perfect
blood sacrifice.

The Bible has much to say about the holiness of God, but God is not only holy and just, He is a most loving God and does not want anybody to perish. The Bible contains two covenants or testaments, the 39 books of the old Testament' being the record of God's dealings with His
creation since He created
human beings "in the
beginning," the 27 books of
the 'New Testament' being
the record of His dealings
with His creation since the coming of Jesus into the world Jesus being God's
self-expression or living word, and his solution to the problem of sin in all its expressions.
So why is a sacrifice
needed? What is sin? Why do humans sin? Simply speaking, sin is rebellion against God, it is rebellion against the highest authority
It is an offence
against God's holiness and right to institute all laws. It is saying that we know better what is right and wrong, and we disregard God's authority, it is
disobedience, it is desperately destructive, and
is profoundly offensive to the all-holy God revealed in
the Bible, Who created our first parents Adam and Eve, with the ability to make choices, and God made it very clear, before Adams's first sin, that the
consequence of sin is death, and that is repeated throughout the Bible, because of the sinful choice that Adam made,"sin entered into the world. God will not dilute the seriousnes of his commands by just forgiving it without penalty which would compromise his own holiness.

johnydon22:
Forgiveness is a virtue that surpasses judgement.

Love is not judgement or wrath neither is it obedient conformity... Demanding for blood before offering an act of forgiveness simply depicts a blood lustful and barbaric concept.

He needed to satisfy his wrath, he must pour it on something, anything at all. Why not simply let go of it, why not simply forgive you without having to pour his wrath somewhere, i thought he was supposed to be all good and how does such concept connote goodness.

Such idea as the bolded rather betrays an egoistic, vengeful, barbaric concept... something you would expect a perfect being to be way above...

If this is your idea of love maybe you will make a very good parent by punishing one your children so as to forgive the other of a wrong doing since your really need where to pour your wrath instead of simply forgiving

You are completely ignorant about the scripture and the things of God. I'm going to oblige you. The bible does not try to prove that God exists. Rather, it assumes his existence and describes numerous attributes and character traits that he posseses. Many of these are unique to him as God.
1. God is omnipresent.
2. God is omniscient
3. God is omnipotent
4. God is transcendent
5. God is eternal
6. God is unchangeable
7. God is perfect and holy
8. God is triune.
When God made man and woman, he created them in his "image" and "likeness" which means they could respond to a unique personal relationship with God that reflected his love and character. They possessed a moral likeness to God as sinless and holy creations, with wise minds, loving hearts and the desire to do right. From the beginning of the history of the human race, God has expected obedience and acceptance of his word as absolute truth. When adam and eve sinned, moral and spiritual death came immediately. Physical death came later. Morally, God's life died in them, and their nature became sinful. They became morally corrupt and impure in contrast to God's perfect and pure nature. There former relationship with God was destroyed. Their former innocence was replaced by guilt and fear of judgment. Since then, every person born comes into the world with a sinful nature. And because God hates sin. A ransom has to be paid. To be continued..

K9blunt:
Can't stop laughing at this post justifying the errors of a mythical entity by the gullible people.
Ride on op!

May God have mercy on you.