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dalaman:
But many sinners will still die and go to hell even after your claim that your God pour out his anger and judgement on his son. If Jesus was sacrificed died for the sins of the world, why then will sinners and unbelievers still wind up in hell?

Though christ died to redeem you from sin, you are not saved authomatically until you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9). People who'd go to hell do so because they rejected God's love and his provision for salvation.

Princecalm:
so what happens to the commandment Thou shall not kill if Jesus killing was right?

God didn’t sacrifice
Jesus. Rather, Jesus, as God
incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No
one forced Him. He laid down His
life willingly, as He made clear
speaking about His life: “No one
takes it from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have
authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up
again” ( John 10:18). God the Son
sacrificed Himself to God the
Father and thereby fulfilled all the
requirements of the Law. Unlike
the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’
once-for-all-time sacrifice was
followed by His resurrection. He
laid down His life and took it up
again, thereby providing eternal
life for all who would ever believe
in Him and accept His sacrifice
for their sins. He did this out of
love for the Father and for all
those the Father has given Him
( John 6:37–40). I explained this on the post above.

johnydon22:
It was a simple question. . . God wanted to forgive your sin why not just go ahead and forgive it instead of killing his son or demanding blood.... Still thats barbaric because even ordinary humans do not demand or exhibit such blood lust

Seems so barbaric. Is it really
necessary? Why doesn’t God
simply forgive us?” Because God
is holy, He must judge sin. Would
a just and righteous judge let evil
go unpunished? At the cross,
God poured out His judgment on
His Son, satisfying His wrath and
making it possible for Him to
forgive us. That’s why Jesus shed
His blood for your sins, my sins,
and the sins of the whole world.

Princecalm:
1. Christ never died for our sins.

2. Christ was murdered.

Without Jesus' death on the cross for our sins, no one would have eternal
life. Jesus Himself said, “ I am the
way and the truth and the life
. No one comes to the Father
except through me” ( John 14:6).
In this statement, Jesus declares
the reason for His birth, death,
and resurrection—to provide the
way to heaven for sinful
mankind, who could never get
there on their own.
When God created Adam and Eve,
they were perfect in every way
and lived in a virtual paradise, the
Garden of Eden ( Genesis 2:15).
God created man in His image,
meaning they also had the
freedom to make decisions and
choices of their own free will.
Genesis 3 goes on to describe
how Adam and Eve succumbed
to Satan’s temptations and lies. In
doing so, they disobeyed the will
of God by eating of the tree of
knowledge from which they
were forbidden: “And the LORD
God commanded the man, ‘You
are free to eat from any tree in
the garden; but you must not eat
from the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil, for when you
eat of it you will surely
die’” (Genesis 2:16-17). This was
the first sin committed by man,
and, as a result, all mankind is
subject to both physical and
eternal death by virtue of our
sinful nature inherited from
Adam.
God declared that all who sin will
die, both physically and
spiritually. This is the fate of all
mankind. But God, in His grace
and mercy, provided a way out of
this dilemma, the shed blood of
His perfect Son on the cross. God
declared that “without the
shedding of blood, there is no
forgiveness” ( Hebrews 9:22), but
through the shedding of blood,
redemption is provided. The Law
of Moses provided a way for the
people to be considered “sinless”
or “right” in God’s eyes—the
offering of animals sacrificed for
every sin they committed. These
sacrifices were only temporary,
though, and were really a
foreshadowing of the perfect,
once-for-all sacrifice of Christ on
the cross ( Hebrews 10:10).
This is why Jesus came and why
He died, to become the ultimate
and final sacrifice, the perfect
(without blemish) sacrifice for
our sins ( Colossians 1:22; 1 Peter
1:19). Through Him, the promise
of life eternal with God becomes
effective through faith to those
who believe in Jesus. “So that
what was promised, being given
through faith in Jesus Christ,
might be given to those who
believe” (Galatians 3:22). These
two words, faith and believing,
are critical to our salvation. It is
through our believing in the
shed blood of Christ for our sins
that we receive eternal life. “For it
is by grace you have been saved,
through faith—and this not from
yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can
boast” ( Ephesians 2:8–9).

Have you ever heard or seen a free man die of thirst? Or you just feel like asking stupid questions. If there is anything humans have in abundance, it's water for anything.

johnydon22:
So God could not just forgive your sins unless he had his son murdered... Sounds barbaric

The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8:7). Jonnydon22. Like i always say to you: you can never comprehend what the scripture says about christ unless you have the spirit of God in you.

menesheh:
How did you know about the things of the spirit?

Constant study of the word of God.

menesheh:
How could a god capable of creating the vast universe, decided to belittle himself by allowing himself to be tortured and executed by what he created in order to forgive himself. Is that not fallacious. Is like after building your house, some years later, you decided to renovate it, would you rather choose to bury huge amount of money in the house first in order to appease the house before making that decision, then renovation process starts. It is your freaking house, you don't have to do that. Just go ahead and renovate your house.


EXCERPT FROM YOUR POST


The reasons why he sacrificed himself is to show human that he is all wonderful, omni- and also to obey the old testament law he put in place as you said, would any all-sensible entity choose to do that in order to show or convince people to start obeying and taking him serious. Is demeaning approach bro.

Why not just forgive himself and stop riding on the path of ridicule.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughs, neither are your ways my ways," declares the lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9). God's thoughts and ways are not those of humans. On our own, we could never comprehend God's purposes. God did not belittle himself to forgive himself, rather he did it to forgive us. If you believe in the spiritual, then you should know that spirituality has principles. For example blood sacrifice. "The builder knows the building better." The word "atonement" (Hebrew kippurim) comes from the verb kaphar, which means "to cover over." The word suggests that sin can be covered or removed from sight by making a payment or "ransom" equal in value to the wrong that was done. Atonement is necessary to cover the sin that we commit against God, as well as the debt that we owe because of them. And according to God's principle; all sin requires atonement because all sin is rebellion against him. (Ex 30:12; Nu 35:31; ps 49:7; Isa 43:3.)

Princecalm:
fallacy

How sir?

Some people on nairaland often ask the question above. I'd like to use this time to inject some parenthetical thoughts for your consideration.
The Bible makes it quite
clear that God hates human
sacrifice. The pagan nations that
surrounded the Israelites
practiced human sacrifice as part
of the worship of false gods. God
declared that such “worship”
was detestable to Him and that
He hates it ( Deuteronomy 12:31;
18:10). Furthermore, human
sacrifice is associated in the Old
Testament with evil practices
such as sorcery and divination,
which are also detestable to God
( 2 Kings 21:6). So, if God hates
human sacrifice, why did He
sacrifice Christ on the cross and
how could that sacrifice be the
payment for our sins?
There is no doubt that a sacrifice
for sin was necessary if people
are to have any hope of eternal
life. God established the necessity
of the shedding of blood to cover
sin ( Hebrews 9:22). In fact, God
Himself performed the very first
animal sacrifice to cover,
temporarily, the sin of Adam and
Eve. He killed an
animal, shedding its blood, and
made from it a covering for
Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:21),
thereby instituting the principle
of animal sacrifice for sin. When
God gave the Law to Moses, there
were extensive instructions on
how, when, and under what
circumstances animal sacrifices
were to be offered to Him. This
was to continue until Christ came
to offer the ultimate, perfect
sacrifice, which made animal
sacrifice no longer necessary.
“But those sacrifices are an
annual reminder of sins, because
it is impossible for the blood of
bulls and goats to take away
sins” ( Hebrews 10:3–4).
There are several reasons why
the sacrifice of Christ on the
cross does not violate the
prohibition against human
sacrifice.

1. Jesus wasn’t
merely human. If He were, then
His sacrifice would have also
been a temporary one because
one human life couldn’t possibly
cover the sins of the multitudes
who ever existed. Neither could
one finite human life atone for
sin against an infinite God. The
only viable sacrifice must be an
infinite one, which means only
God Himself could atone for the
sins of mankind. Only God
Himself, an infinite Being, could
pay the penalty owed to Himself.
This is why God had to become a
Man and dwell among men ( John
1:14). No other sacrifice would
suffice.

2. God didn’t sacrifice
Jesus. Rather, Jesus, as God
incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No
one forced Him. He laid down His
life willingly, as He made clear
speaking about His life: “No one
takes it from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have
authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up
again” ( John 10:18). God the Son
sacrificed Himself to God the
Father and thereby fulfilled all the
requirements of the Law. Unlike
the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’
once-for-all-time sacrifice was
followed by His resurrection. He
laid down His life and took it up
again, thereby providing eternal
life for all who would ever believe
in Him and accept His sacrifice
for their sins. He did this out of
love for the Father and for all
those the Father has given Him
( John 6:37–40).

STENON:
I forgive you, Go and sin no more.

Lolz!!!

STENON:
No matter what you have written, I'm still proud to be one.

Big dogs don't bark.

On reading this i almost started to speak in tongues! Nice work Op!

philfearon:
If actually you are a true Christian as you claim,I want you to objectively go and Read the books of HEBREW and ROMANS in your bible..
Remember, read it objectively!

All read and dusted. And what do you have to say?

JILCOM:
I won't suffer nada. You know na. No weapon that is fashioned against me shall prosper and every tongue that rises in judgement against me, I condemn in the name of Yeshua. Take your aimless threats elsewhere.

My broda this thread is a scheme from the pit of hell i tell you. There's this fellow that came looking for help from the Op on this. I told him: JESUS CHRIST IS THE ANSWER AND SOLUTION TO HIS PROBLEMS. I explained alot to him as we talked. He heed the word and left. He never came back to this thread. That night after the encounter with the guy, i had a serious attack. A spirit attacked me in my dream, he sent a negetive energy against me, it was a serious battle that night. The almighty God took control and i was rescued! Be strong in the lord and in his mighty power. For our battle is not against flesh and blood (Ephesian 6:10-12).

sonmvayina:
My point is the idea that jesus sacrificing him self as god plan of salvation is bullshit..the hebrew god dont like human sacrifice. it is an abominaation..all he wants is a humble heart..as in psalm 5:4..

The Bible makes it quite
clear that God hates human
sacrifice. The pagan nations that
surrounded the Israelites
practiced human sacrifice as part
of the worship of false gods. God
declared that such “worship”
was detestable to Him and that
He hates it ( Deuteronomy 12:31;
18:10). Furthermore, human
sacrifice is associated in the Old
Testament with evil practices
such as sorcery and divination,
which are also detestable to God
( 2 Kings 21:6). So, if God hates
human sacrifice, why did He
sacrifice Christ on the cross and
how could that sacrifice be the
payment for our sins?
There is no doubt that a sacrifice
for sin was necessary if people
are to have any hope of eternal
life. God established the necessity
of the shedding of blood to cover
sin ( Hebrews 9:22). In fact, God
Himself performed the very first
animal sacrifice to cover,
temporarily, the sin of Adam and
Eve. He killed an
animal, shedding its blood, and
made from it a covering for
Adam and Eve ( Genesis 3:21),
thereby instituting the principle
of animal sacrifice for sin. When
God gave the Law to Moses, there
were extensive instructions on
how, when, and under what
circumstances animal sacrifices
were to be offered to Him. This
was to continue until Christ came
to offer the ultimate, perfect
sacrifice, which made animal
sacrifice no longer necessary.
“But those sacrifices are an
annual reminder of sins, because
it is impossible for the blood of
bulls and goats to take away
sins” ( Hebrews 10:3–4).
There are several reasons why
the sacrifice of Christ on the
cross does not violate the
prohibition against human
sacrifice.

1. Jesus wasn’t merely human.
If He were, then
His sacrifice would have also
been a temporary one because
one human life couldn’t possibly
cover the sins of the multitudes
who ever existed. Neither could
one finite human life atone for
sin against an infinite God. The
only viable sacrifice must be an
infinite one, which means only
God Himself could atone for the
sins of mankind. Only God
Himself, an infinite Being, could
pay the penalty owed to Himself.
This is why God had to become a
Man and dwell among men ( John 1:14)

2. God didn’t sacrifice
Jesus. Rather, Jesus, as God
incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No
one forced Him. He laid down His
life willingly, as He made clear
speaking about His life: “No one
takes it from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have
authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up
again” ( John 10:18). God the Son
sacrificed Himself to God the
Father and thereby fulfilled all the
requirements of the Law. Unlike
the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’
once-for-all-time sacrifice was
followed by His resurrection. He
laid down His life and took it up
again, thereby providing eternal
life for all who would ever believe
in Him and accept His sacrifice
for their sins. He did this out of
love for the Father and for all
those the Father has given Him
( John 6:37–40).
Bro if you cannot comprehend this, then you need the holy spirit in you.

Great0:
PRAYING FOR ALL THE SATANISTS AND ATHEISTS IN THE HOUSE

Where hv u been man?

sonmvayina:
try reading proverbs 17:15, and relating that to jesus and barrabas...

Where exactly do you base your argument?

sonmvayina:
try reading proverbs 17:15, and relating that to jesus and barrabas...

Where exactly do you base your argument?

sonmvayina:
i think somewhere in 1st king...you know it is there somewhere....

Guy park well!! Your argument does not hold water.

sonmvayina:
The reason why god punished the Jews in the time of Joshua was because they where sacrificing their children to Molech, which was an abomination to Yahweh, so for him to sacrifice his son is nothing short of hypocrisy..

Where in the scripture is it written that God
punished the isrealites in the time of joshua for sacrificing their children to molech? On your own, you just feel like contradicting the scripture where it states that, "Isreal served the lord throughout the lifetime of Joshua and of the elders who outlived him and who had experienced everything the lord had done for isreal." See Joshua 24:31.

The Word Of God

Isaiah 55:10-11 "As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my word that goes out from my mouth: it will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what i desire and achieve the purpose for which i sent it."
The scriptures, is the written record of the prophets, apostles and Jesus have spoken. In the NT, it made no difference whether a writer used the phrase "Moses said," "David said," "the Holy Spirit says" or "God says" (See Ac 3:22; Ro 10:5, 19; Heb 3:7); what is written in the bible is the word of God.

The Inspiration and Authority of Scripure

2Ti 3:16-17 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
If we do not accept the fact that all scripture is inspired of God and is therefore infallible and absolutely authoritative in its truth and teaching, then we have no dependable standard upon which to base our lives. I usually disregard the contradictory aspect of the scripture for three reasons:
1. The existing copies of the original manuscript may not be totally accurate.
2. The present day translation of the original Hebrew or Greek Bible text may be faulty.
3. One's understanding or interpretation of the Bible text may be inadequate or incorrect. I strongly regard the accuracy of the of the scripture.

Rapture is imminent!!!

@ the OP please modify the topic. I suppose you meant to say "homosexuality" and not "homosexual". Thank God for you! I urge you to remain strong in the lord. Don't be ignorant of the devil's tricks, now that you have found grace in jesus. Don't go back to your old life.

NO TO HOMOSEXUALITY!!!

Mznaett:
Tjayjosh @least 2 test his fidelity level

Is that what you think? If you were my wife, and you do that to me, and find out, Sorry for you!!!

Mznaett:
Guy c lemme tell u something I trust 80% of Ph women they can do d undoable aswear. Dz ur stuff z a pure set-up by ur friend,his wife nd ur wife 2 @least 2check ur fidelity level

so it's left 4u 2decide either 2 stand or 2fall

What nonsense!!! Why would they do that?

Blossom023:
God has already seen the end and he knows those that will end up there. But it those not stop us from spreading the gospel. Honestly he didn't make hell for sinners. He prepared it for satan but over time after seeing the evil in the world he made it for those who do not want to listen.

Those who'd spend eternity in hell, do so because they rejected God's love and his provision for salvation. Unfortunately, people who once followed christ will abandon biblical truth and reject true faith in christ. for the "rebellion" will occur. 2Th 2:3-4. We need to be fervent in praying and in the study of the word of God.

NO TO HOMOSEXUALITY!!!

greatbygrace:
This happened 2014.. Its not recent.

Maybe it's still happening.

DennisEche:
May God strengthen their faith

Amen. Please let us pray for them. It's real! It's happening.

I just got this message from a very good christian friend. It's a very serious matter.

THIS IS THE MESSAGE:
The islamist group (ISIS) just took over Quaragosh, the biggest christian city in Iraq. There are hundreds of men, women and children that are being beheaded. The people are asking for prayers to be made on their behalf, concerning the ongoing atrocity in their country.
Please take one minute to pray for them. Pass the message across to all your contacts so the prayers chain will not be broken. They asked for this special prayer. Please, ensure you pa message please. Thank you for your concern. May the lord bless you and your family and always send help your way. Amen
Joyce Meyer
Forward as recieved please.

See Pictures of the beheaded below!!