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2buff:
^^ Abi oo. As I said earlier, It was mentioned in a "current-audience-referential" manner.
But some people just love running off-point to keep the thread long. 

ogajim:
You guys keep wasting your time on Tonye-tithe was seems to have somehow picked up the gauntlet for Pastor JoAgbaje,

I would like to see an American or Nigerian prosperity preacher flat out tell it like Zack Poonen is doing on this video, Tonye seems to have found a problem with a preacher of this caliber who is SECURE enough to tell viewers to go where your spirit leads you even if it is NOT CFC.

Pay to play "gospel" is on it's LAST go around because this grand DECEPTION must be defeated.

Enigma:
^^ I would say that from the man's tone and body language he clearly did not mean "correct pattern like we have"  in a particularly boastful manner; I think I would even go as far as saying he was dismissive, in a sense of their own, "correct pattern". I read him as saying "what we think or what we see as correct pattern". His hands were even in the air when he said "correct pattern" ------ though not clearly depicting quotation marks but readable as doing so or indicating a loose use of "correct pattern". In any event, the man said a lot of far far more important things.

Enigma:
In any event, the man said a lot of far far more important things.

nlMediator:
^^

I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Every church believes it has the correct doctrinal pattern. Otherwise, what sense does it make to continue in a doctrinal pattern you don't believe is the correct one? The pastor's job is to find the right one and follow it. Where the problem is on whether a pastor is humble enough and willing to change what he thought was correct upon the instruction of the Holy Spirit, Scriptures or Godly and scripture-based counsel from other ministers.

More important, the pastor here is not making a big deal of his church's doctrinal pattern. If anything, he's de-emphasizing it by telling people not to insist on worshipping in a church affiliated to them if they find that spiritually unhealthy. I think you'd have a beter leg to stand on if he insisted that people remain in the church because, after all, they're the only ones with the right pattern. But he did no such thing. Unlike some pastors that issue veiled or open threats to members that blessing can only be obtained under their ministry and those leaving are toying with failure.

My question exactly:

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[li]Since he feels his church CFC has the correct pattern that other churches maynot have, why then is he telling his members to go elsewhere?, doesnt that amount to trying to look good before them?, like what good teacher would tell his students to go a poor feeding home?. . .like puuuullllllleeeeaaaaasssseeeee spare me! [/li]
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Proverbs 16:2 Every man wants to seem innocent  , but motives are weighed by the LORD

2buff:
You are digging too deep into what I see to be the result of a combination of current-audience-referential speech and English not being the speaker's first language.
You just used that little and obvious grammatical mispropriation to then go on an all out spin disregarding 99.999 % of what he already said during that whole video.

The memorable quotes and [b]essence [/b]of what he said that stand out to me are "My allegiance is not to CFC, but to Jesus Christ"(q). "If your spirit is led to another congregation, please go there"(e). "Don't join a congregation just because it has a name, but because it makes you grow into what you know God wants you to be"(e). That is my summary of what the man in the video said and I am in support of these 3 things.

Let's depoliticize this whole thing. That is allowing oneself to be subject to the Devil's division tactics.

Firstly, I feel glad you think I am digging too deep. . .I'll tell you why!

Secondly, glad you also see that Zach's comment as grammatical mispropriation, you do but I dont see it that way though. . .I'll tell you why!

Thirdly, pls note that in spiritual teaching, there is nothing to accept in 99.99999999% of a lesson if one defiles the entirety. . .I'll tell you why!

Fourthly, needless of you repointing on the good he said whilst the same time failing to attend to his rather obvious deceptive bit -ie. "doctrinal-pattern correctness claim".

Fifthly, I dont think anyone is politicizing anything. . .I strongly believe falsehood could pass as truth when we fail to see the tares amongst the wheats

Much respect to frosbel's good teacher Zach Poonen

frosbel:
^^

The gist passed over your head, you missed it , it was way over there.

Listen once more and get it, then if you pay more attention to your teachers you will learn a wee bit more !!!

Frosbel,

I thought as much. . . there you go with this childish gimmicks of yours again. . . will you pllllsssss grow up?

Okay lets assume I missed the gist now could you pls help me out again?

I asked:

frosbel pls what do you think is that "correct pattern" he feels they have that others dont?

Secondly, whom do you believe has the power to say "one church has a correct pattern and the others dont" A Man or Jesus Christ?

Dont be scared its just the two of urs and none else. . .

frosbel:
You totally mis-road here.

Once again, you run your mouth off in a rant without fully understanding what he is actually implying.

Be quick to hear and slow to speak.

His emphasis was on carnality and worldliness not on the church per se.

So if you go to a different branch and they practice worldliness and you find another church that is more spiritual, go there.

Did you listen at all

ogajim:
What's your point? Are you with the baptists and the others?

I would like you to point out what EXACTLY Zach Poonen said that you and your lot don't agree with, nitpicking anyone?

Am not with the catholics, methodists, anglicans, pentecostals nor baptists rather am with you the critics.

In :38 of the video, Zac the teacher made this comment . . .if you go to a place and maybe the the church dont have the correct pattern like we have, if you feel okay you can stay.(paraphrased)

Now naturally I hate being judgemental in my views, but since the respected teacher- Zac feels "his church can claim monopoly of 'doctrinal-pattern correctness' [i.e he feels like his church CFC is the only correct church] then I guess we should look critically at points and his teachings

Can one Church really have the power to claim "doctrinal-pattern correctness"? I certainly dont think so

thehomer:
In what sense did your God not make the malaria parasite? You believe he made the earth, people and the malaria parasite. The malaria parasite infects people and kills them. What part of this equation is not sanctioned by God?

Image123:
Thank God for the light. It's left to you to open your eyes or just close it tightly.

Enigma:
My brother, only God can deliver Joagbaje; of course reasonable people will see the credentials of Poonen and know where to place him.

The problem is that it will not be enough for Joagbaje: remember it is the same Joagbaje who has said he and Oyakhilome have "revelation knowledge" superior to the biblical writings (gospels and epistles), in the end, of all the apostles including the apostle Paul that he praises above others!

. . .now that's some serious claims. . .like did Jo really say that? hmmm can we get the source link?

frosbel:
^^^


I have come to the conclusion that you are quite childish !!!!

Havent you heard the scriptures that said . . ."until you become like one of these little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven"? I'd rather be childish than act like a fretful oldie 

frosbel:
I have been here for years battling for the truth and will remain, despite the caustic and ungodly comments from some of you , deceivers and deceived.

Frosbel baba, 

There was this story i told to the kids in my neighborhood the other day, its called "THE CHICK THAT TRIED TO GROW TEETH".

You'ld love the story because it looks similar to your role here. . .trust me you'ld love it. . .should i tell you? 

Image123:
@tonye
Not everything that God created is for us. He created the universe, we use a minimal part. He created hell as well, he created death. All there were not meant for us just like the solar system is kinda enough for us.

Another offshoot from the man - Image123,

Quote from Image123,

•God created evil, but not for you to use[b]. It's like blaming the inventor of a car because of car accidents[/b]

frosbel:
^^


Even my little ones know these verses.

My refusal to post is a matter of principle.

I think it is high time Nairaland creates a forum ONLY for True Christians and to filter out the weeds or should we say tares !!

frosbel:
^^^


I have posted more edifying articles than exposing heresies on this forum, you obviously skipped them because they mean nothing to you as a matter of spiritual fact.

However I will not dance to your tune.

I am not so much worried about gaffes, after all we are all human so liable to make mistakes from time to time.

For me this is a matter of principle , subjecting myself to a band of heretics is not something I consider to be an edifying prospect.

An innocent seeker will ask, 'what must I do to be saved '.

Frosbel.

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[li]God created evil, but not for you to use. It's like blaming the inventor of a car because of car accidents. The point being that the purpose of inventing was not the car accidents. Or you'd go blaming your parents for using a kitchen after you set the building on fire, and burnt it down in your kitchen escapades.
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