₦airaland Forum

frosbel:
Not just for the sake of it, but I applaud you for rejecting the poison that these so called men of God are spreading world wide.

"In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping." - 2 Peter 2:3

Image123:
@Tonye-t, Hi
What do you mean by defensive attitude or is it defensive-defensive attitude. You've asked a question, and i believe you expect answer right? By the way, the normal christian is supposed to defend more than attack, our weapons of warfare are more defense than attack inclined, i suppose because we have the victory already.

Image123:
The Spirit of God is supposed to be our reasoning actually, not just guide it. Christianity is not reason-centred, it is greater than reasoning, it is spiritual.

Image, how on earth do you even come up with these things you write sef? Your order is wrong!

The Spirit of God did not come to reason for us, rather The spirit of God came to help us reason the Father's mind. Do you recall the word that says : When the spirit of God shall come, he shall guide you into all truths" doesnt this suggest to you that he has not come to give us truth, but to usher us into the truth. Dont tell me you need scriptures again! 

What is reasoning? and what is spiritual? how do you know something is spiritual? is it not when your inner consciousness agrees with the things you hear and reason and processes it behind the physical sight of man?.

Image for christsake how does faith come, is it not by hearing, hearing means the passage of information thru' your ear-window to the mind(brain).

KunleOshob:
The filthy rapshody of errors that you guys pollute Nigeria with every independence day is an assault on the sensibilities of Nigerians. That aside you guys distribute the thrash primarily to promote the oyakhilome brand whilst he pretends he is being magnanimous. There are millions of better ways of impacting the lives of Nigerians than giving them that poisonous thrash to read.

Give one example and stop typing foolishness with those brachydactyles of yours. . .the creator sure didnt make mistakes! 

wetu:
Let's study Malachi 

God addresses Israel:

Mal 1:1  The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.


And then the priests:

Mal 2:1  And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.


Who is addressed here? Israel or the priests?

Mal 3:10  Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


It's obviously the priests who should bring ALL the tithes into the storehouse. But if you have doubts:


Neh 10:38  And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.


[size=18pt]The thieves who were robbing God were the priests who were not bringing all the tithes into the storehouse so that they may be meat for whom?[/size]

Mal 3:5  And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

Tahhhhhhh hold it there, You've lied! It was never only the priests but the whole nation.

Read this:

KunleOshob:
I have stopped watching Oyaks programmes on TV cause I find them so nauseating and disgusting. The crook's capacity to twist scriptures is truely phenomenal hence I avoid watching his charades less I get offended.

Like we' all should clap our hands because the psycho stopped watching a program that has touched lives across the country positively in a way or more.! 

KunleOshob:
@Tonye
Evidently your ever learning but due to you imbecilic brain you are incapable of coming to the knowledge of truth. Several people on this forum have explained matthew 23:23 to you within the context of which it was stated as in it was clearly under the law which is not relevant to christianity. Three years down the line you have proven yourself to be the biggest fool in Nigeria for not being able to comprehend this simple truth a primary one pupil would grab very easily. And due to your eternal foolishness you rather remain under the yoke of a foolish doctrine like tithes rather than face up to reality and admit you have been defrauded on this tithing scam.

Firstly let me fulfil my word; YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL TO HAVE TREAD NAIRALAND! 

Now to answer your foolish response:

Hmm now I see, so simply because Jesus made that comment before his death means that it should be treated as the law and not the gospel.

Oh yeah! Okay so maybe I should also conclude that firstly all the things Jesus said and did before his death should be treated as the law thus deemed as irrelevant?

Hmm now I get what you’re saying, maybe such words as “blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy”, words like “I am the way, the truth and the life. . .” should be treated as the law, ok, including words such as “If you have seen me you have seen the father” should be deemed as irrelevant since he spake them before his death.

Kunle, four words describe you and they are: YOU ARE A FOOL! ^{*the length at which the hypocrites will go to defend their evils and lies on innocent gullibles on nairaland goes to show that Hell must be real, its the best place to abode them*}

ogajim:
Tonye-tithe, your tithe collecting course is over already?

To each his own, if it works for you folks, by all means carry on, I will give as the Holy Spirit leads me and NOT as someone else leads me to believe.

I would love to know where the "giving in order to receive" can be found in the Holy Scriptures, what's wrong with a Christian giving without expecting anything in return knowing that our Father in Heaven is looking down and knows our hearts?

It's PURE SCAM to be "taught" the prosperity nonsense of giving in order to get something from God and the wrong application of FAITH, "faith without works is DEAD"

Shalom!

KunleOshob:
Ahh tonye-tithes is back,

Something like the sheriff is back will do! 

KunleOshob:
I think the onus is on you to prove that the type of false fraudulent monetary modern day tithes being preached today is biblical talkless of being required of christians

Kunle the Anti-christ anti-tithe, there aint nothing to onus about, maybe I should say the kunle of the issue  is to accept what Jesus said we should observe irrespective of whether He said it to the Pharisees, or the disciple.

He said in

^{What is so difficult for the anti-tithing fools to comprehend,maybe they are yet to fulfill their destructive mission from the pit of shaitan}   

Kunle,pls tell me Jesus was saying this only to the Pharisees, and I will say you are the biggest fool to have tread on nairaland. Maybe I can continue when i get your hypocritical and biased response.

wetu:
The richest African, Aliko Dangote, is not a Christian. The richest born again Christian is mostly not a tithe-payer but rather a tithe-receiver like Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Chris and others.

russkelly:
Nobody give a HOLY iblical tithe tody. Period. Wise up. Get the facts from God's Word. Stop the nonsense.

True HOLY biblical tithes were always only FOOD from inside God's HOLY land of Israel which God Himself had miraculously increased. Tithes could not come from what man increased, from Gentiles or from outside OT Israel. There ar 16 texts to prove this.

Rubbish assertions! pls prove your 16 texts bla bla bla

ogajim:
I wonder why Pastor JoAgbaje and the other tithe adherents don't observe the Sabbath or give burnt offering.

You have more satanic "churches" today that actual Church of God", by their fruits, ye shall know them, "

Because Tithing is not a law commandment it is an act of worship. . .when will you grow up in the things of God?

babalobi:
Sentimental Gospel is the type of gospel that appeals to the audience feelings and emotions. It is the type of gospel that places emphasis on physical, material, financial, and marital prosperity, but absolutely void of convicting the congregation of sin and the need for urgent repentance.
It is the type of gospel being preached by modern day pastors today. As a matter of fact, thousands of pastors have been made millionaires as a result of their focus on this aspect of gospel.
They would preach about healing, prosperity, love, having a positive mindset, casting out demons, deliverance, and so on. They would tell their congregations that God love them no matter what, they would crack jokes and everyone is made to laugh throughout entire church service. Week after week, month after month, year after year: no messages on holiness, nothing is said about God’s impending judgment on sin, no mention of the need for women to dress appropriately, no emphasis on living a life of righteousness and godliness. What a shame!

Dearly beloved, if you attend a church that doesn’t challenge you to live a holy life, then you are in the wrong church. The building might look gigantic with custom made musical instruments and equipment. The pastor might appear very loving and charismatic; the members might look friendly and caring: yet you know that something is missing. You know that the messages haven’t helped you a bit to change your sinful lifestyle. You still live and dine in adultery, sexual immorality, hatred, evil thoughts and deeds, abortions, gossiping and so on.
Yet you feel comfortable in that church because your pastor, bishop, reverend or whatever he is called never mentioned those things. Of course, how can he preach on divorce when he himself is divorce? How can he preach on adultery when he is life is ravaged with lust for other women? You need to think twice if you really want to make it to Heaven on the last day.

I am reminded of the beloved Billy Graham who preached nothing but salvation from sin. His messages cut through the hearts of thousands of people on a global scale and many have been brought to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Sometimes, when I watched some of his classic messages I breakdown in tears and have to go on my knees for deeper recommitment to God.
That’s what I am talking about. That’s the kind of pastor and evangelist you want to be affiliated with. But guess what, pastors like that are very, very difficult to find. Churches like his are very difficult to find. Now, what is the danger of sentimental gospel? What is so wrong with preaching sentimental gospel?

Is it wrong to preach about healing, prosperity, love, having a positive mindset, casting out demons, and deliverance? Absolutely not! You see, the preachers of sentimental gospel tend to put the cart before the horse. They strip out the core or the center of God ultimate requirement: Holiness. The Bible explicitly and implicitly says “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14).
Think about it and provide reasonable answers to these questions. Will your financial, material, marital, and academic prosperity take you to Heaven? Will you get to Heaven because you are healed or in the healing ministry? Can you get to Heaven because you are a positive thinker? Can you get to Heaven because you are a demon caster? Will you get to Heaven because you are a deliverance minister?

Read up this article @ http://christonline./2008/06/03/holiness-and-the-danger-of-prosperity-gospel/
Visit http://christonline.info for sermons and prayer points

Image123:
Deuteronomy 30:19  I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
We are all free to choose. It really depends on what you want and how much you want it.

And what if i tell you that this passage you quoted was still part of the script the playwright would want you to come across. Ok! see this analogy. Steven Spielberg screen writes a movie titled My design and in this play everyone keeps to their role, no derails no shortfalls everything perfect as it should be. A guy is named Adam having a wife whom he is taught to call Eve. And then this Steven guy poops out and gives them instruction not to eat garri from a certain pot(recall this line in the def. of the puppeteer - "In some instances the persona of the puppeteer is also an important feature". and then he disappears and manipulates them to eat this garri just so his movie - My Design, will come out perfect. And just later he re[i]poops[/i] and asks them what happened to the pot of garri as if He did not know and drives them away and the story goes on and on and on!

Now Image123, tell me you dont believe this things played out in the creation; garden of eden experience and I will say you dont believe God is Omniscient in attribute and nature.

JeSoul:
On the free-will bit. I believe its a bit more complex than God simply pulling the strings . . .

JeSoul:
I believe that God is the God of the impossible to human beings. And that applying pure logic in this scenario might be the equivalent of a handicapped man trying to compete in a decathlon.

JeSoul:
I believe that somehow, God is able to ¹ pull the strings as He wishes, and work everything towards the fruition of His will, but yet at the same time ² we are also able to freely choose.

JeSoul:
How this works exactly? beats me. Because I know we choose and determine the course of our lives (no one forced you to marry your wife abi? or go to school? or eat breakfast this morning? ), yet at the same time, He has a grand scheme as stated in the scriptures, an end game to which all things are working and flowing towards.

I know this defies logic, but if God is omniscient and omnipotent, doesn't that by itself defy this logic we want to subject Him to?

Jbabe, look at this; weeks back i brought a puppeteer to play for the kids in my local church and the title was "building little vessels of honour", in this play 3 characters were created (the puppeteer created them, and knew their end from their beginning; Jeremiah 1:5 - before i formed you I knew you, before you came out, i predestined you to be a prophet. . .hmmmm hellooooooo! ), one by name toyin, who was made to act a good guy who grew up serving God and eventually became a pastor, the second (dayo) was made to grow up living the bad guy and then one day he said to himself (recall it was still the puppeteer speaking thru' dayo  ), i would want to give my life to God and he became a child of God and continued in the faith, and then this third guy (bola) grew up in a christian home, got all the attentions and best things life would offer to a child, he grew up and eventually made a choice to serve God ( *recall a choice was made) and then he later derailed to be an occultist (just who was manipulating this bola, i might ask?) and all thru' the story this guy was making several choices and eventually he died a sinner.

4 questions we should ask:

Who created these puppets?

[list]
[li]Did the puppeteer have a purpose for creating them? [/li]

[li]Did he know their destinations/ fate? [/li]

[li]Were they in control of the choices they made? [/li]

[li]Did they influence the events of their lives or the grand puppeteer did? [/li][/list]

Just when we answer this questions we could really know what God is doing in heaven.

JeSoul:
LagosShia & Sweetnecta,

my brothers, can either of you prove Mohammed wrote the Quran? and that it is indeed of divine inspiration from allah?

Very good toys to keep 'em toddlers sucking at. . .while the thread prays some tranquility this lady is sure some goodish!


OP very educative too!