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Enigma:
Look at this fraudster talking. 

One who is the slave of Oyakhilome the spiritual vagabond insinuating that others are "bastards" (of course twisting scripture in the process as usual). By the way, you forget that by your logic, Oyakhilome too is a bastard --- otherwise tell us his "pastor" or the "somebody" to correct him.

Even people without "pastors" are better than you, you know why? Your master is a fraud and you are steeped deeply in the fraud that you have already learned from him and that you are still learning from him.

The other day, I came across the post in which you posted as mabell --- with the excuse, probably another lie, that she used your system and didn't log out. That is before we get to your Akhozem (and one day we'll catch you properly with Azibalua too)


That is your teaching, you fraudulent slave of a spiritual vagabond.

lolz  . . .this is what a section becomes when we have unforgetful boiz and gals. . .they'll always visit the trashbin to collect a thing or two regardless of what becomes of ones hands after visiting such places

nuclearboy:
Does anyone have disinfectant? A nasty smell of corruption just walked in - dead rotting goats on an okada really smell bad it makes you want to puke

nuclearboy:
Hi M_Nwankwo

Here's a purely hypothetical situation I'd like your take on - you have a 2 year old daughter and walk in to find wife AND that baby under threat by someone obviously under the influence of drugs. In your presence, derangee stabs your wife for fun then announces grandly that its your daughter's turn.

Incidentally, there is a machete close to you that he didn't notice. What will be your next line of action or ought I say, what will you do?

LOLs. . .something like "who do anyhow go see anyhow" isnt it?. . .I really love your scenario and at the same time appreciate M_Nwankwos stance.

nuclearboy:
@Tonye-T

Like Aletheia, I too will like to understand what you mean.

For clarity, what my post meant was that today's traditionalists say that any new movement is vagrancy. Yet how old are themselves? Can you, T-T, name one of the Pentecostal churches that can trace its way back on a "family tree" to pre-lutheran days?

80 years ago, did the RCCG exist? If when the "vision" that led to it came and it was not allowed to be birthed because it was new and therefore "wrong", would that church TODAY (I'm using this as an example) have right to try stop any new "vision" or movement today?

PS: Maybe its just me, but your use of English seems intended deliberately to confuse! Could you try to be more reader-friendly?

aletheia:
^
Please clarify what you mean. I don't want to misunderstand you.

Alright! Firstly i will hold firm the postulate that says "there is nothing new under the face of the earth again" holding that as true, I'll assume that this church/people - "Emergent church _{*henceforth referred to as EC*}" are just a "recycled movement" whose origin can be traced to some pre-existed movement, 100% chances show this movement as the reincarnated "gnostic church".

Lets see why I called the EC a seed founded on "rebellion" as was the case of the ancestral lineage (the gnostic church). Any new movement has an element of “protest” in it and the emergent movement is no different. I'll highlight some characteristics of this movement-EC, thread after thread.

1. Postmodern worldview and hermeneutics:
The emerging church is a response to the perceived influence of modernism in Western Christianity. . .These Christians saw the contemporary church as being culturally bound to modernism. . . They changed their practices to relate to the new cultural situation. . . Emerging Christians began to challenge the modern church on issues such as: institutional structures, systematic theology, propositional teaching methods, a perceived preoccupation with buildings, an attractional understanding of mission, professional clergy, and a perceived preoccupation with the political process and unhelpful jargon ("Christian-ese". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerging_church#Values_and_characteristics

I will like to believe that the leaders and founders of this movement were attendees of institutional structures (church as an institution) until they began to see the vices and flaws that could spread forth from the pulpit to the congregation (every thing remains in a state of rest until being put in motion by a force - Newton 1st law). I quite agree with their rationale but a deeper view would reveal that as much as bad influences could come from the pulpits there are also high chances that good influences could emanate from other pulpits.^{*which is probably where the EC does not see. . .or maybe they just ignore not seeing it*} Pulpits do not preach to people,men do. . .as such what should be the best approach? to get rid of the pulpit system or the men.? Your answers are as good as mine.

But no no no, their idealogy is just too myopic, which is, using the church system within their present view to judge the generality of a wider spectra that all institutional churches stand the chances of being victims of one-man-preaching system which they believe can corrupt the minds of the congregations. But they'b forgetting the fact that even amongst their supposed "small cell group" some bad influences could still stem up from bad men and corrupt the whole leaven.

I dont have problems with EC so long as the gospel is taught to enlighten the minds of others, but I strongly believe that every thing in the human body form the balance of the body. Pastors are called and given the task of feeding sheep and lambs. And guess what? it doesnt end there, a pastor should also "tend" their sheep.

nuclearboy:
@Pastor: 100% for that post. The traditionalists have lost it . . .

JeSoul:
+1000 X 1000
Ooohhh that is just adorable! May God's favor never depart from your household. When we your family members for here go see pichsures of Jnr now? 

Cant wait! 

Joagbaje:
@TONYE t

Well, TONYE it seems you misunderstand me. But I will let it go . Having a pastoral responsibility is a great honour.  Amongst my mamy many reponsibilities. I know many nairalanders by face ,we meet . We know each other.and for some ,we do Bussoness together. But for me going public under a ministry is not ethical. It's like a police man making a tv broadcast when he is not a police P.R.O. he could have appeared on tv.in a variety show as any citizen. But he can't go and be talking about police ,when he is not officially sent. That's the best I can explain. It's not about being ashamed .  No. In every institution there are rules. So that's why such issue are sensitive to me. If you as an oil worker goes to LET'S SAY "oil section on NL " and speaking about your office with your real name and department. It's not the same as a faceless ID talking about your office. That's the idea. I dont have the right to bring such responsibility public . That's the point. And if someone happens to dig in and ask about such , I can't openly admit it.  Thats why I kept mute .

Alright! Well if quoting Jesus on religious section is another way of exposing his privacy i'd prefer being that biggest culprit same with you.   Bros just chill, infact its become obvious that you have so much friends than even seun himself. Like you arent doing any twitting stuff here yet look at the followers you emass daily. . .i jealous you! Dont tell me if you were unpopular you'd have become NL religious poster of the year 2010?

In 3 words i say: "everyone likes Joagbaje"!

frosbel:
Okay Tonye we may disagree on so many things, but quick question, did you serve in Kano state and had a photographing business by the side  

nah nah nah there can only be one Tonye-t and he resides in PHC  

JeSoul:
thank you jare. Sometimes I feel like the posters in this section are so spoiled . . . just go and see how cutthroat and brutal it is in the politics and romance sections . . . small yab and they're peeing their pants and crying for mods.

Anyways,

My dearest Tonye  wassup now? Hows junior? abeg greet him and my sister for me ehn.

J-babe i dey o. . .and Junior is doing gr8. . .infact during dinner lastnitty i thought i heard him say "dada" like God knows i was so happy, but madam killed my anticipations when she said he isnt up to the age of talking and am like isnt 2months enough age to hear my baby call me "dada"?   whether dada or daddy. . .i simply cant wait!  

Joagbaje:
Akhozem offered I should use his ID since I refused to open new one. The privacy attack was getting too much. I didn't know what I may expect next. If someone will come and snap me unclothed in my bathroom and post it here. So I decided to use akhozem . Especially after t TONYE . Did his own exposure on me . I still didn't know his intention.

oooooooopppss!!!. . . seeing my name just got me startled. Like hey what wrong did i commit by "asking" if you were the same person a friend of mine talked about? It was only a question not an assertion.

Ok I was in Calabar for an official retreat and I met a new friend whom we got talking, along the line of our discussion I learnt he attended CEC and was planning on relocating and I asked: really, to where? and he said B-Y, OK so have you got a branch of your church there and he said yes and the pastor's name is "Joagbaje". And i was like. . .hey did you say Pastor Joagbaje of CEC and he said yeah! any problems and I said nothing but I think his name rings a rhyme in my memory. And for once i was proud and thought to myself maybe I should ask the guy in my forum if he knows anything about this B-Y pastor especially when the both of them have "the same names" and "CEC" in relation. And the most i could remember was that you-Jo kept mute on the quest, so i opted mute too.

Jo, in all remorse i say I am deeply sorry and sincerely apologize if by asking you that question you've been hurt. But I for one have never seen anything wrong in privacy bla bla bla I mean the reason why I come here is to express my views on issues i feel i know a little about with life and severally I have let folks know my real names - Mr.Tonye O Tonye and where I work -Sahara Energy resources etc. I mean when I got married, Jesoul and a couple others where put in the know, when my baby Tonye Junior came out couple of months ago I put it up as my signature here and even got congratulatories from "Ogajim" and "Jesoul". Like why in the world would i fret if someone gets to know me, why in the world would i want to pose with a different persona except I have an ulterior motive  . Now wouldnt that be more like hypocrisy?

I sincerely hate it when folks cry and report to Mods over every little play we do around here, forget the fact that we quarrel, abuse and insult ourselves but i will be more than happy to see folks like Kunle, Nuclearboy, pastorAIO, deepsight, Zikkyy, Image123, Joagbaje, aletheia et al in real life. Ok take for example, I have had brawls with InesQor severally but do you know I still visit his blog for inspirations every week? atleast I told him here and he was shocked. I dont know about others but most times its the quarrels, brawls and incessant tussles I witness here that makes NL religious section my first login every morning *that's if i am less engaged* it brings the thrills, the excitements and fun to my job everyday. I can say i have learnt so much ever since i came here especially in my most controversial topic.

I read up here about DS announcing his withdrawal and am like, this is probably the 2nd time or so this guy is leaving and coming back and all is simply based on some petite issues that could easily pass for a toothless infant. Like cant some folks stand a simple misunderstanding.

Well, as for me NL religious section is the only home i have in NL and everyone I fight with or agree with are the only family i have in NL, now why would i resort into leaving my home whenever I have issues with my sibblings? your answer is as good as mine.

Let the brawls and quarrel begin continue afterall what is life without fun and excitements. Tonye-t (Papa Junior)  

noetic16:
@ OP

is AIO also not a fake/deceptive "pastor"?

aletheia:
If the nation being referred to is Israel in Canaan, why then do your ilk parlay that to refer to Christians then?

Can you provide a quote?  

aletheia:
Refer to my question immediately above.

aletheia:
Again I repeat my question to you suitably emended to close the wriggle room you tried to exploit in avoiding answering the question. Try not to avoid answering it, as it seems you are trying to do.^

aletheia:
Your snide remarks do not faze me. Answer the question without resorting to insults if you can. But if by any means that will be difficult for you to do; you can include insults in your answer. . .just make sure to answer the question.

Good you called it "remark" at least just so i dont need to explain any further what i thought you undersood.

And friend one more thing make sure you quote it and do it fast!  

aletheia:
^
It is interesting how you guys get yourself twisted into knots in trying to defend the indefensible. Based on your words above: Are you tithing the way Moses said you should tithe?

I await your answer.

What is here that you dont understand

You can see that God was not referring to the Priests at anytime, rather he was referring to the nation because they had neglected God and abandoned the tithing according to their customs (i.e. the way Moses said they should give it). . .vs.11 God promised blessing the ground for theirsake, now if it were the levites or priests _{*people who dont use the ground}, why would God bless it, it sure was for the nation (a people who need to use the ground)

garyarnold:
Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us…”  There is no curse today so Malachi 3:9 is irrelevant today.

The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews.  In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES.  The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

Hebrews 7:5 (KJV)  “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:”

Verse 5 is the first occurance of the words TITHES, COMMANDMENT and LAW.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)  “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

Hebrews 7:18 (KJV)  “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.”

The word COMMANDMENT in verse 18 must be referring to the word COMMANDMENT in verse 5 which is referring to the tithe.

Therefore, the COMMANDMENT to TITHE was disannulled.

Beautiful submission. . .but you are trying to twist scriptures and it is wrong! It is a good thing to refer to the entire chapter at least so you dont misinform people. . .its not a good thing.

Let's see Hebrew 7: 1-21

Heb 7:1-21
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
KJV

garyarnold:
@Tonye-t,

Instead of sticking with the reliable KJV translation, you switch around to find a version that suits your purpose.

At least I didnt write those translations. . .or did I? And my friend, the reason people refer to further translations are to grasp more clarities on issues, since some brains are dull and biased dont you think using Garynold's dictionary will not help until Oxford's come handy too? ^{*my friend truth is truth, whether KJV, Message, NKJV, NIV, NLT they still say the same thing*}

garyarnold:
Malachi 3:9 (KJV) - Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

The KJV added the word "even" for clarity purposes, but has confused some. The verse is saying that GOD had been robbed; therefore, this whole nation has been robbed. If you study Nehemiah 13, you will see how this happened. The priests took the Levites portion of the tithe that was in the Storehouse. The Levites had no food. The Levites had to leave the Temple and go back to their homes in the Levitical cities. The Levites were robbed of the tithe. By doing so, the Temple had to be closed. Closing the Temple was the robbing of the whole nation.

nuclearboy:
I've been reading silently in growing astonishment. Tonye-T always loved the tithe issue but I never saw him display so much vitriol - Wow! KunleOshob will definitely come under great fire since he started the anti-tithe movement here and OBVIOUSLY it is working & people must be really withdrawing from tithing as a compulsion for there to be so much rancour.

I think Tonye should NOT be ignored. Allow him say more, insult more, fight more - wetin dey pain am plenty. His acrobatics prove your cases more than even your facts as anyone who goes back to read will easily see. You will notice that even the CE gang of animals have kept quiet here - he is embarrassing them and his argument as he has totally stopped arguing and is just fighting everyone.

Maybe its my turn now to get called the few words/terms of endearment he seems limited to

RTFLMAO. . .like is this Nuclear?I mean like is this Nuclearboy? Is this the chief of insults? even when trying to compliment 'em CEC folks he's still calling them ANIMALS. . . gooooosh!!! *the thing full your body* and to the new attribute. . .me learnt it well from them chiefs. at least your posts would testify.

Dont worry you can roll in too just if you dont mind! I can eat up a thousand bulls!! and my greatest joy is that the word of God has grown thick into the skin of every genuine Christian such that they dont need extra lessons to know that tithing is still very much relevant. . .when i teach in schools I feel so happy to see young ones getting to understand the truth and the beauty in tithing. . .when I hold talk sessions. . .I see folks who testify they understand th subject more than ever. . .when I teach in Church I could see the bliss and smiles because for once they've understood that "just because fake men abuse the custom of righteous men doesnt mean the custom should be abolished". . . my heart goes to those who choose to be deceived by Kunle and his satanic cohorts with lies that they finds so difficult to explain.

5 threads and yet No anti-tither have come up to tell us why the act of tithing should be abolished! I weep for Ignorance. . .my heart bleeds for their frets!

dare2think:
@ Gentle me, sorry --(Tonye-T)

Since I am "rolled" in, I might as well respond to your childish antics.

Firstly, your rudeness seem to me to come as a result of a disturbed childhood, were you abused and deprived so bad that you seem to harbour a lot of anger in youself?

Either you are a very young individual or a very ignorant adult, whichever way, you need to find a source to vent your frustrations and anger.  We all have different opinions and views and it is inevitable we clash, but dude, your manners are repulsive and I really feel sorry for those around you because I am sure they are embarrased for you.
Gentle me (the sexual expert)or Tonye- T (the tithe crusader), whichever one, you give Christianity a terrible name and your attitude reflects your reasoning capacity. Shameful.

"Militant Christianity"

Am sure you feel you are doing God or Jesus a favour by your repulsive behaviour. I give it to Joagbaje for his matured response when under criticism. You on the other hand behave like a Dog that has been starved for days.

By the way, am responding from my Office's computer, so technically am not Jobless.



@ Frosbel, Earswide, Ogajim, Kunle oshob.

Ps stop feeding this troll.   Debates are inevitable in life and we all have different opinions. People should learn to construct their views appropriatly in order to achieve sensibility and coherence. This Troll must not be given the food he thrives on. Attention.

So pls help him out and ignore his antics.  I'll start.

Thanks

1. Saw this coming . . .never knew I've got this gift. I laughed so much when I read this post that my ribs ached. And me could easily detect your persona here, why changing the ID to dare2think?

2. Bro, you would have told me you were this good too! at least the stuffs like "dog", "disturbed childhood", "ignorant adult", "troll" just shows you guys are coward. Walai! like seriously must you play cool all this while when underneath lies a ravenous wolf ?

Well I'll let you finish work first *then you'll tell me if we should discuss tithing or mudslinging* lest your boss comes barking at you for wasting internet time.

And to add, I think gentle me seems a good name for a rude boy thanks!!