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why the stress on educational institutions?

why not enforce the replacement of all computers in the national assemblies and state houses with made in Nigeria systems, that will be a genuine way to kick off the campaign.

i hope Anganye is not welding his powers just because he has some gains to make.

its a good move, especially where multinational companies are to establish assembly plants in the country, but the govt should be sincere with this.

rastamouse: Well it is clear this is not in your league. This discussion is over because you are not matured enough to understand what is being discussed here.

Cya

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I'm sorry, I should have communicated at A̶̲̥̅̊‎ level U̶̲̥̅̊ would understand but if U̶̲̥̅̊ didn't get the simple facts how can U̶̲̥̅̊ understand higher things, maybe until Elijah comes again to tell U̶̲̥̅̊ by himself

rastamouse: Well it is clear this is not in your league. This discussion is over because you are not matured enough to understand what is being discussed here.

Cya

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I'm sorry, I should have communicated at A̶̲̥̅̊‎ level U̶̲̥̅̊ would understand but if U̶̲̥̅̊ didn't get the simple facts, U̶̲̥̅̊ cannot understand higher things, maybe until Elijah comes again to tell U̶̲̥̅̊ by himself

rastamouse: My brother you are getting ridiculous. Are you telling me that the being is made up of only the body? I can tell you for a fact that GOD only know you by your soul that is why HE speaks to your soul. The fact that Elijah didn't die doesn't mean Elizabeth had to carry the old man in her belly. The spirit is what is important.

Before Abraham, JESUS was...does that mean Mary gave birth to a child thousands of years old? Please show some maturity in the discussion...I will be glad to also learn from you

Read John 1:19-20 and know who John said he is

So U̶̲̥̅̊ think God reincarnate people? That's so wrong!
who did Elijah enter Zechariah or Elizabeth or did he jump from space?
The bible has said something about the return of Elijah in the book of Revelation, U̶̲̥̅̊ can google it.

Correct your assumption, Jesus said before Abraham "I AM" he didn't say "I was" and he didn't make A̶̲̥̅̊‎ grammatical blunder(go and read it again), he knew exactly what he meant and he wasn't talking about his years of existence. So your point don't count on that scripture. Well if you care to knw what he meant you can ask politely and I'll tell you.

rastamouse: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, [size=16pt]and restore all things[/size]. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Matt 17:11-13 (KJV)

Get back to me if there is any part you don't understand in the text above

hey dude, if you read from the beginning of that chapter, talks about the transfiguration where Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus. after peter, james and john saw that, they asked because it was said that Elias will come before the messiah because to they were expecting to see "the real" elijah that was taken up to heaven come back to the earth. after Jesus' response they understood that the prophecy was figurative and not literal because in the 13th verse it says "then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the baptist". so my friend, it didn't say that John the baptist was literally Elijah but a figure of Elijah

rastamouse: See how you just got a job from Okija because of me

But you are wrong my brother. If you study the scriptures, the prophecy regarding the coming of the Messiah and what JESUS said about John, it is clear that John was Elijah and not the shadow of Elijah. Again, you got it wrong when you said Elijah died. Elijah was taken up and don't try to speculate what happened next.

The proof that John was beheaded because of what he did to the baal prophets can be found at Matthew 26:52. GOD's law apply to everyone including HIS own children.

Okija, your junior evangelist need some more enlightenment

thank you for reminding me that Elijah was taken to heaven, it will make it easier for you to understand. if the man didn't die and was taken to heaven alive, use your common sense, how did a full grown man enter the womb of Elizabeth to be born as an infant? did you read when the Angel appeared to Zechariah to tell him he would have a son with Elizabeth? you should read it up too. otherwise, if that account wasn't given us, you would have assumed that one day Elijah fell from the sky like terminator and starting calling himself John. same way you will say Jesus Christ is same person as Jonah since he said he would be in the grave for three days and night like Jonah was in the belly of the fish. can we now say Jesus is Jonah? Elijah and John are two different people, you should read that prophecy again and get reference from other scripture that talk about same topic, then you will see it better.

the scripture you gave have no correlation to Elijah or the prophet of baal. why wasn't moses, joshua, David, etc killed by the sword? because, like Elijah they put idolators to death too. .you got it twisted. God didn't kill Elijah in form of John the baptist.

Okija_juju: How would you like to join my ministry as a Junior Evangelist with a starting salary of 450,000 a month, a 2012 Cherokee Jeep, A fully furnished and service apartment in GRA, Health, Insurance and leave package, a personal assistant, Driver and 1 mopol with alot of all expense paid international missions.?

if i join your ministry, you will lose your congregation

no thanks

tunde233: Effect of wine - Mr. Noah in Gen 9:21 And he drank of the wine,
and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
The instruction- Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine,
wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Why?- 1 Cor 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous
shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither
fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
For those who think otherwise- Prov 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish...

For those who argued that there is no specific reference to
this in the Bible, There is neither any reference to
‘do not stay on the road when a vehicle is coming’, yet you run,
why? It is because it is part of the ‘11th commandment’.
You have sense to run away from an oncoming vehicle.
You should have sense to run away from everything that
is ungodly whether you are told or not.

These scriptures should not be hard for you to interpret, to drink something doesn't make someone A̶̲̥̅̊‎ drunkard.A̶̲̥̅̊‎ drunkard drinks to stupor, that's different from having A̶̲̥̅̊‎ moderate measure. Read in between the lines and get A̶̲̥̅̊‎ dictionary too. You have assumed what the bible didn't say.

Your 11th commandment is A̶̲̥̅̊‎ prove of your assumption, only ten were given and they were detailed enuf, you assumed the 11th one. Check yourself

Same way God told Adam to not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he ask him to dress it as well as all other tree. Of course You can't dress it without touching it, God only said "don't eat". Adam assumed God said he should not even touch the tree which he told his wife, eve, and the serpent used that assumption to tempt eve cos she touch it and didn't die so she could believe the serpent and ate of it . Nobody was there to tell adam that "not eating" and "not touching" are two different things. Your assumptions can ensnare you

rastamouse: Good answer!

If Elijah was justified, why did GOD send him to earth again only to suffer the same fate (had his head cut off)?

Elijah is not john the baptist, neither is john the baptist Elijah

That John the baptist was sent in the spirit of Elijah does not mean Elijah was to reincarnate. It meant john the baptist will function in the likelihood of Elijah with same zeal and prophetic auction.

Elijah was long dead n gone to paradise before John. Remember Elijah appeared with Jesus in the transfiguration while John was still alive in herold's prison.

So God didn't send Elijah back in the name of john the baptist, the scriptures taught they will have same prophetic ministry. So U̶̲̥̅̊ see God don't do reincarnation neither was he trying to punish Elijah.

It was herald that killed John the baptist not God.

i love pastor Chris, he's never timid to say the truth.

there was a time when wearing of trousers by ladies and uncovering hair was sin in naija until Pastor chris showed up. today all the pastors that condemned him are enlightened and accepted have it when they stopped their ignorant assumptions and went back to study their bibles, while some are yet to understand these things.

sad-to-see and far-to-see

PAQ: Naija!! Jesus Christ did not turn water into fruit juice, he turned it into wine. Wine features prominently in d Bible, not zobo or juice...... Alcohol is bad when abused like wise smoking, d challenge is fighting d addiction. I bet some of u will say smoking a pipe is no sin but cigarrettes are....

nancyekpoh: I am beginning to get piss off by the things this man says, the other time was that self service was good and this time is that there is nothing wrong with alcohol and cigarette, even when he knows that cigarette is dangerous to health, well see what the Bible says about taking alcohol in Proverbs 20:1. Well my advice is be not deceived for God is not mocked for whatever a man sows that he will reap. Again never be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. please take heed.

go and watch again, he did not say self service is good, he said it wasn't a sin but it could be a bad habit. there is a difference between "bad habit" and "sin". it is only the study of the scripture that can teach you the difference not your assumption. Jesus said be careful "how you hear" "what you hear" luk 8:18.

rastamouse: Let me ask you a question. You can only understand this if you are a bit matured in the scriptures so answer well.

Was Elijah justified when he killed the 450 baal prophets? (Hint: read events leading up to and after. You may also read about John the Baptist)

According to the law of the old testament given by Moses, the children of Isreal were not to LovePeddler after other gods but to serve God with all their might. there were consequences for idolatry, those who do such were to be cut out and destroyed one way or the other, most times God delivers the whole nation to their enemies when they go after other gods and refuse to repent. Elijah functioned in the old testament and did what God commanded them to do to idolaters according to the law of Moses, so according to the law under which he functioned, he was justified.

your point?

rastamouse: LOL at the bold part...

However on a serious note, I must say that the line that you are towing is very dangerous. If you are very matured in Christianity, you will come to realize that the line between good and bad is very slim and fine. In fact, t[b]hat is the reason why very matured Christians sometimes fall into sins that shocks the world.[/b]

T[b]he Bible makes it extremely clear that wine is not the same as strong drink. Why do you think that GOD will make the distinction between the two if they were the same? [/b]

Those who preach moderation have got it all wrong. What is moderation? A glass? A tot? A pint? A drop? A gallon (for Ojika )? That definition is very subjective.

Why then will you teach anyone to drink moderately? When we were younger, my senior sister strayed once and went out with some guys. When she came home, she had vomited all over herself and was not conscious. She had to be rushed to the hospital. When the guys were questioned, they said that my sister just took a sip of Guinness. Was a sip moderate in the case of my sister?

Believe the Bible when it says alcohol is a serpent...it will only bite you in the end!

"thin line between good and bad" - very wrong

your statement is not scriptural. the bible teaches what fellowship is there between light and darkness? righteousness or unrighteousness? the light shines in darkness and darkness comprehends it not(John 12:2-4). the line is not thin my friend, it is a "nature apart"
or you can as well say there is a thin line between God and the devil.
the reason many "mature" christian fall is the lack of knowledge of the scriptures especially when they assume things they think God said that God never because they never study to know or where they do not put the word to work or are totally ignorant of it.
According to Jams 2, a mature christian is one that knows how to control his tongue and speak only in consonant with the word not his belief or how long he or she has been a christian nor by grey hair, so understand this criteria from the scriptures before you call someone a "mature christian"
Right living does not make you righteous, because Righteousness is a given by God only(as a gift 1corth 5:17), its righteousness that produces right living


please from your bible, can you describe which wine is ordinary or strong drink, did he tell us the content? make? or the percentage we should look out for to know which we should take or not (scriptures pls?)

who made alcohol? was it satan?
no, it was God who made all things including the alcohol and he saw that it was good.
alcohol is good in itself but becomes abusive when taken out of proportion which is why God wants us to be moderate, and you re not under compulsion to drink it where you know you don't need it.

tell your sist that if her body can't take it, then she don't need it. for what purpose was it taken in the first place? if it's not from a reasonable motive then it wrong. that's why excessiveness is sin because it's not done for the right motive. Apostle Paul admonished timothy to take a little for this stomach sake(motive). this is what it means to be moderate. all this God made has more advantages because that was they were created in the first place, but because of sin in the world, nature became corrupted that's why we can see disadvantages in them. same why alcohol was made for human advantage but when it's abused (taken "excessive" which is "the sin" of taking it) we can see it as a disadvantage.

if you undertake a biologically analysis, you will find out that the advantage of alcohol in the human system (in the right proportion the body needs-moderation) far outweighs the disadvantages.

gboss4sure: If Pastor Chris really said that, then he has deviated from the path of righteousness. Everyone knows what is bad and good even though they might not admit it but in their heart they knows is bad.

does your moral judgement now qualify something to be SIN? are you the God that invented righteousness to know what it is or what it is not? thou holier than thou. base your deductions from the scriptures my friend

rastamouse: Except for medical reasons, why would any sane person want to drink alcohol when he does not intend to be drunk? When is one considered drunk? Is it only when his speech is blurred? No one should deceive him or herself. We have the right to everything but it is not everything that is good for us.

When Lamuel's mother was advising him in Proverbs 31:4, she stated that it is not good for kings and princes to drink wine. Note that she did not say to get drunk but to drink wine. Before anyone asks, let me point out that we Christians are Princes in the Kingdom of GOD.

Paul also pointed to us that our bodies are the Temple of the LORD. Why must we defile it with alcohol and cigarette when the LORD intends to stay in our heart.

Alcohol and smoking is not for us Christians!

what part of your body does God stay? your heart of veins and arteries? because you don't need alcohol or cigarette to defile it, what you need is to eat junk food

the far-to-see and sad-to-see accuse Jesus that his disciples defile themselves by not washing their hands before they ate according to the law, Jesus' replied them asking how can not washing their physical hands defile a man, its not what goes into a man but what comes out. we know that what comes out of a man is what he has stored in his heart(spirit) because Jesus once said "a good man out of the good treasures of his heart, brings forth good things; same as way an evil heart brings forth evil". Every one shall be judged by every idle word spoken. your very salvation comes as a result of the conviction of the heart (spirit) and confession of the mouth Rom 10:9-10. what comes out of your heart through the mouth is what defiles you according to the words of Jesus.

the heart God dwells is your spirit because God is a spirit not in the physical one that pumps blood that's why you don't see Gods when you open a human body. what defiles your spirit is the word you speak or else tell me how cigarette or alcohol can defile your spirit where God dwells. if you still don't agree, you should agree that the junk food you eat and sugar you take one way or the other that affects your phyical heart is SiN.

that i drank something, does it make me a drunkard?
that i ate food, does it make me a glutton?

the bible only qualifies it as sin when it is done in excess beyond a measure that is deemed moderate as Apostle Paul taught.

in the new testament, the only "Law" Jesus gave is in John 13:34 to "love one another as i have loved you" not "as you love yourself". John 15;12. and Paul taught whatever is not done out of love is Sin according to the new testament.

with Love in your spirit and demonstrated outwardly, no one has to tell you what is right to do or not to do because God is love and anyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God 1john 4:7-8.

@crossman, stay alive, if you channel all these efforts in getting job in a computer centre, you will make it somehow,someday.

funny how those aggrieved by pastor chris's explanation cannot pin a single support from the bible.

only God is qualified to determine what is sin or not sin, not your traditional assumptions of what you think is sin. that's why he gave us his laws in the bible. sin is not your moral belief based on your environment, culture, ethnic morality etc. sin is what God says is sin, that is why you have to search the bible to know what and what he calls sin and what he doesn't call sin(even though it may look improper). that something does not morally appeal to you does not give you the authority to call it sin because you are not God (same thing was told peter in a trance Act 10:13-17) its not within our jurisdiction. only God can define what is sin to him, after all it wasn't our idea the word "sin" in the first place.

it will amaze you what God sees as sin (as simple as they may seem),e.g do you know eating or drinking too much is a sin? or talking too much? or using an image /symbol/animal/rosset to represent God is sin?

Big question is Has God called "self service" sin (even if it may look morally out of place): NO (based on the scriptures)
this is exactly what pastor chris has said.


however, as Paul said "all things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient" (1cor 16:12)means the fact that something is not a sin doesn't mean you should do it, let alone be subject to it. same way that it is with self service as with every other habit/behavior/tradition/culture/necessity etc. as a christian you should exercise restrain and moderation in whatever area of life(not only in the area of self service). God wants his children to be masters in all mannerism of life by choosing what habit to keep or do away with and not being subject to base things that don't matter to God's kingdom (Heb 5:12). when you get mature in the things of God, you will focus on what pleases God most, then, you won't be entangled in vain arguments of if self service is sin or not. this is what pastor chris is clearly saying.

conscience in its untamed state is never a recommended guide by God, that's why he gave us his holy spirit to be our guide. The holy spirit never condemns you (Rom 8:1)of your action rather he teaches and strengthens you to get things right, he never leaves(john 14:16). so if your conscience condemn you after the act and you think that self pity, withdrawal and condemnation is the ritual for your purification, better know that's from the devil not God because God will never condemn you for what Jesus already paid a price for.(john 3:16). rather he says "let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace , that we may obtain mercy and find grace in to help in time of need" (Heb 4:16). after all, he said "for if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things" (1jn 3:20)
so the fact that your conscience feels condemned is not a sure proof that it is sin, only God can determine what is sin which He has already shown us in the bible.
on the other hand, the fact that you feel good about something (which to you was morally right to do) doesn't mean its not SIN, remember all your actions you thought were right only to end up with terrible consequences. e.g read about Uzza in 1chron 13:9-12 .

search the scriptures yourself and stop assuming and false pretense as though you know.

KINGwax: OP, seriously u brain needs spiritual cleansing. What's all these shitziz now on nairaland. Nairaland is complete with the bashing and ethnical bigotry, education and stup!dty as yours. The only reason why the bolded was included is to give senseless guys like u the chance to say something. Which are alwys stup¡d. Has there been any public forum without all these?
Now, who are d moderators? Come forward and explain wetin u see for soup wey make u pack meat for hand! How did this crap slip through to the front page?

its your brain that needs to be waxed so you know how to talk with meaningful contributions. that you are allowed to make comments on NL doesnt necessarily mean you have sense. u dig?

All d signs hv been there, its not A̶̲̥̅̊‎ surprise, illuminati have chosen their candidate amongst the two

@poster, what part of your bible you claim you know is against giving of offerings and seeds? a fool is one that ignores what God says in the bible, so you are a fool. if you are not a christian then desist from pasting what you know nothing about and let God be the judge.

put up something more intelligent next time that can help you out of your oblivion and misery.

Brilliant reactions from nairalanders, we are well informed. If chief Tinubu choose not to be constructive at this critical point of our history then he should take his bed and sleep, he's long past retirement age, with all due respect

@whitehawk and @naijanile, thank you for being analytic rather than sentimental. Most Nigerians fail to  this as an opportunity to hold govt to deliver on what the masses demand. They are misled to protest for the wrong cause by men who have been sponsored to cause mischief in pretense to help the masses. Let's protest but for the right reasons which we should define to govt such as cutting govt excesses, building refineries and other infrastructure. We should define the time with which govt must deliver and policies that must be set in place. That is what the struggle should be, and not bringing back subsidy which will kill us in near future and leave desolation for our posterity, now that we are free from the bondage of the so called cabals that have wrecked us since successive govts, let's act as free men and take our destinies in our own hands. Pls let's use this opportunity well and avoid myopic misplaced priorities

Very absurd and myopic for a celebrated personality who should be a role model and a voice for our cultural and moral values to support such moral perversion in a country like Nigeria. in his earthly wisdom, he calls it private affair. My Question for the prof is this: is there a criminal escapade that wasn't conceived as a private affair? Name a crime or an outbreak that didn't come from people's private businesses? Prof should have an answer with his experience and achievement in instituting cultism in our schools that has made beast out of youths that should have employed their minds to improving our society, That was your private business dear professor and we are all reaping mischief,crime and chaos publicly today.
Secondly,AIDs came into existence when men chose to privately have intercourse with their private animals, that was their private affairs too since they are adults and shouldn't bother anyone else or the legislative powers who knew the imminent effects, hope the professor still feels right about private adult affairs.
Thirdly, the professor wrote books that were and are still used in our schools. Most of those books promoted the rich cultural and moral values of the ethnic and religious practice and believe in Nigeria, on these literary works the professor was awarded a laurel and renowned. I think if professor had remained in his line of thought, he wouldn't have made these statement, hence I feel a strong need for the professor to return to the school of his glory years. If otherwise, we will know most of his books were all hypocrisy which he didn't mean or have any regard. Its either of these two ways
Finally, let us and the professor remember that the boko haram sect started as a bunch of adults who exercised their right to private ideologies within their private huts. The professor should know better.
Didn't even the holy book say man in his highest wisdom is foolishness before the almighty. Even the common Nigerian can perceive the folly of professor's arguement

@ojdollar, my paddy, I c U̶̲̥̅̊ jare!!! Don't mind owobokiri tht doesn't knw his problem is frm his village n not pastor chris

@owobokiri,if your forefathers had said yes to God n preached the gospel, U̶̲̥̅̊ won't b bearing tht name n your life wud hv made better sense.

@lecorn, go get A̶̲̥̅̊‎ job if U̶̲̥̅̊ don't hv, ask more intelligent questions tht cud get U̶̲̥̅̊ one. If ur serious wth your question, ask your pastor if U̶̲̥̅̊ hv one but if U̶̲̥̅̊ don't, find one or don't talk abt it

CBN shud prove serious by starting with d worst offenders,d Nigerian Police!