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Baddestguyp: dude, dat part was in slow motion. Only minato could save sakura 4rm kakashi's position. Naruto came 4rm elsewhere. Watch that part again. Naruto actually saved sasuke too. He begged kakashi to spare sasuke. Sasuke was so dumb nd proud he wanted to hit raikiri with chidori. Dat would've been sasuke's death except kishi puts in plot no jutsu. Its pure stupidity to hit raikiri with chidori. U can as well hit rasengan with rasenshruiken

Watch well bro..he even staggered and then complained about using the MS too much.

Baddestguyp: dats y i said he would defeat itachi with enough chakra. As for the second part, it just doesnt make sense for one eye to use kamui without contact while d other needs contact except that obito's kamui doesnt hav side-effects nd doesnt drain chakra lik kakashis own. Obito doesnt have ems, yet he uses kamui anyhow. Dats y i tink his kamui doesnt require much chakra. We hav seen its different 4rm kakashis own

I'm not sure but I think the transfer of the other eye could be responsible and then they didnt train their eyes for same purpose even though it basically has same feature.

kimco: Actually, i hated pains talking so much as well. Jux kill them and stop yapping...we know u felt pain...it's in ur name da.m.n it. Thing is...naruto talks too much...jux like luffy...and sometyms he sounds like a drama queen so much....i always roll my eyes. Speeches are allowed but for christ sakes it's always the same speeches about friends...family...how the villages now love him and he'll protect them...c'mon...how long will his go on. Naruto ain't all talk but he does talk a lot of unrealistic crap. He's no ninja...he's a freaking beauty queen ''what i want most is...world peace'' *clap clap clap*

And you find something wrong with that? Put yourself in his shoes, if you had been the object of rejection and scorn in the whole of Lasgidi and you work your way to being the richest in Nigeria and then everyone comes to respect you, wouldnt you have built a library full of books about your life?

Baddestguyp: the sword n susano would be sucked in b4 it even gets near him. Check out d short kakashi vs sasuke fight. Even i realised i underestimated kakashi. The speed at wich he sucked in susano's arrow was out of this world

And what happened after thatm he barely could run at human speed to save Sakura-stupid

kimco: Sasuke spoke to itachi and danzo in between their fight? Is that ur counter to my talk no jutsu claim? Google the meaning of talk no jutsu, u don't seem to know what it means. Issue of love and friendship...maybe too much love and friendship don't u think....every minute we're reminded of it (naruto x sasuke), hence...talk no jutsu....oh and don't forget the famous...''i'll be hokage'' okay we get it, u wanna be hokage...we heard u the first 50 tyms u said it. Jeez. kyuubi came to his rescue then he later talked no jutsued pain to death...literarily. He even talk no jutsued the kyuubi into submission. I ramped my head into a rock when the kyuubi was cheering for naruto like alittle girl cheerleader, how worse can it get. Sasuke's case was to progress the story. Till today i dnt knw how sasuke won that fight. Haku's case has been explained.....stop making me repeat my self.

He tried talking out Sasuke but it didnt work, he hardly talk to Sai but Sai changed,,,,oya gimme an excuse for these two theories

Baddestguyp: abi o. I dont see how kisame or itachi'll defeat kakashi if kakashi had enough chakra. Ms against Ms. Ameterasu against speed. Fire style against earth, water, fire, lightening. Susano against kamui

Did you just say Susano'o against Kamui? Kakashi's head woulda been sealed with the susano's sword before he even mentions kamui

kimco: Oh dear...Pain got influenced by jiraiya as a kid and jiraiya was a father figure to him. Yahinko and konan his siblings. Naruto? Who was naruto to him b4 the fight. Naruto was jux his ticket to his dream world and nothing more. Don't compare the level of power jiraiya and yahinko had over pain to that section of talk no jutsu naruto had with him. Didn't u see how he didn't even want to hear jiraiya out during their fight? Cos he nolonger had that influence. Everything he believed in has been shattered, much like obito and his goal was his life now. Now how da hell did naruto penetrate that thick layer of hatred, that the father figure cudn't even penetrate? of cos with talk no jutsu...cos talk no jutsu has infinte power of love and friendship.... Hooorraaaaaaay!

Naruto already beat him hands down before they got to the jutsu part, and if I get my analysis correctly, Pain even talked more than Naruto in that part...Naruto is not all just talk meen if thats what you are tryna point out.

kimco: hold on...people actually think kakashi can defeat kisame and itachi? Looool. Those who r saying copying kisame's jutsu's are a joke. It requires massive amount of chakra to do what kisame does. Him copying his jutsu in their first encounter means nothing cos kisame was aiming for asuma and kurenai, so he made that jutsu a bit manageable. He looks dumb but he's actually highly skilled with speed nd strength. The guy actually plays with his opponents b4 killing them. Try copying that tsunami of a jutsu and he'll die of chakra exhaustion. As for itachi...i'll let the itachi fans take this one.

We are agreeing for a record second time lol

Baddestguyp: i tot we cleared up this who is smartest stuff? In case u missed, let me tell u. 1) shikamaru/his father 2) kakashi 3) itachi 4) shino 5) sasuke. Naruto is trying too

I'd never pick Kakashi over Itachi, we rarely see Itachi fight compared to Kakashi and that might be his only undoing in this argument...

Djtm: then he will have to make it quick. Like sucking off his shark-head before he can touch his samehada. Or feeding samehada with poisoned chakra lol.

Kisame is quick and fast, in his fight with Bee, Bee threw a chakra-enhanced pencil at him and he saw the movement of the pencil

Djtm: what makes you think so? Kakashi is intelligent remember? I loved the way he fought with the 'fake' itachi, he displayed a high level of intelligence, if he was an uchiha with natural, non-chakra draining sharigans and uchiha-specific jutsus to go along with his 1000+ jutsus, tell me why he wouldn't mop the floor with itachi's butt?

kakashi is smart, Itachi is a GENIUS...

Djtm: Guys, who is the fastest hand seals weaver?

Only Kishi can answer that....lol

Feraz: It's not a joke . Beating doesn't mean Kakashi will win without sweat. Is it Kisame? He will only be copying techniques till he's had a plan to finish him off. Is it Deidara that doesn't think deep before acting? Name them. It's only Pain and Itachi then probably Konan. Then again, it is my opinion.

Kisame was referres to as the tailess tailed beast...Kakashi woulda won but he doesnt have enough chakra to take the beast down.

Baddestguyp: he's managing them nah...half is better than none

He's taken Itachi's sharingan, thus he now has the EMS

Baddestguyp: if he's in his present state nd has enough chakra, he'll be able to defeat itachi bt pain might get him with chibaku tensei. If kakashi had EMS it'd go a long way. By the way, am i d only one who realised dat kakashi has always bin stronger dan Obito, only he didnt know. Kakashi's kamui only requires sight (left eye) while obito's kamui requires contact (right eye)

Kakashi cant beat Itachi even if he an Uchiha...as for the Kamui, it depends on how you train your sharingan. But you should have realized that Obito warp things into his eyes faster than Kakashi.

Feraz: The only person I'm sure in Akatsuki that can beat Kakashi is Pain and Itachi - c'est fini. Apart from them, no one else. My opinion though.

Kakuzu had him beat but I can't wave off Sasori and Kisame's chances.

kimco: Dude i've stated with manga examples where u try to spin it with excuse such as he's an uzimaki he's got the force blablabla...someone said cos he's the main character and i go with that, ergo, my beef with the literature right there, but if that ain't facts for u..then what can i possibly hope to achieve. U jux won't agree would me. Naruto is resillient but he ain't invincible...however kishi makes us think he is, even when stronger opponents have shown less feats . abeg u can swallow whatever kishi gives u but i won't. Enough with it...we shud jux agree to disagree on this matter...u totally love naruto's character...i hate it.

Oh and for ur talk no jutsu: naruto vs pain. He talk no jutsu'ed the guy into submission and made him revive the whole village...now that's the a.s.spull of a.s.spulls. For the rest he employs them within the fight. That my problem. He talks too much. Too much unecessary drama. That's why i don't even watch the movies anymore....it's even worse there, with total invincibilty, lots of friendship bond talks (really this is a huge theme in naruto, bleach and one piece), and him always defeating the last boss.. and it's really getting old. It's like they win due to the bond of friendship....and the stupid will of fire. Shi.tty writing. kishi fire burn u...hahahahahahahah.

I honestly don't understand your qualms with 'talk no jutsu', c'mon even Sasuke talked to Itachi and Danzo inbetween their fights, Naruto has always been founded on the issue of love and friendship so what the heck? And as for Naruto invincibility, Neji, Haku, Pain all had him beat until he Kyuubi came to his rescue. Sasuke even beat him with the help of Kurama. So Naruto aint invincible, without Kyuubi, hes got Chakra way more than Jiraiya. The only people with more Chakra than Naruto are Hashirama, Tobirama, Tsunade, Kushina and Pain.

kimco: Let's put this into perspective...let's take bleach for instance...bleach introduced us to it world....making us know the dos and don'ts, capble and incapable...so we knew what would be an asspull and what won't be. Now in bleach characters can be killed...ala espada and fodder shinigamis. However we start to find it horribly outrageous when shinigami like abarai renji get slashed up and still manage to survive while the strongest espada dies with a single slash. that's horrible writing. Contextual realism has to be met as well. U can't jux go breaking ur own rules like that. Imagine all of a sudden naruto gains rinnegan because aparently, he is a descendant of the so6p's second son. Now that would make me cry for humanity.

Edit: hey i didn't even notice it was u i was responding to. Guess we really don't think alike that much.

I don't watch bleach...gimme Naruto instances.

kombats: I stopped putting too much interest in naruto after the death of ero-sanin and hyuuga neji. I was hoping to see an upgraded hyuuga in neji but kishi just let me down.

Jiraiya Sama's death still tops the list for me...very emotional..

kimco: I don't know if u still watch bleach and one piece...I can't stand them anymore cos they have become a joke. In super hero comics they don't even take themselves serious (costumes are one)....batman is smart, true but his methods are unrealistic. Now japanese mangas on the other hand take themselves serious or atleast try to ( death note, hunter x hunter, bleach b4 it became a mess, code geass, ghost in a shell, fma:brotherhood and naruto: atleast it tries) so normally their literature is can be critisized because they aim a higher than ur average comic with a solid story line that continuos from beginning to end with each episode and must be looked at as such. If i wanted jux an anime i'd already be watching dragon ball z.

Dude, we are talking fiction, so their stories are logically unrealistic...if its that easy to write stuffs, I'm sure you'd have surpassed William Shakespeare at the age 12.

kimco: he talk no jutsu his opponents to end fights....as in the last thing to do. Also he talks too much and does so little...till plot no jutsu kicks in ala kiba's fight. The second part of ur post is everything wrong with the manga. He's passed out yet when sasuke falls he regains consciousness and goes beserk? let that sink in for a minute. But i think i'll end here. It's dragging on too much...i'm repeating myself too much.

You won't back down if you got facts to back your claims up, you only kept repeating same facts...which of his fights did he end with 'talk no jutsu'?...he finishes fights before he starts talking to his opponents. You're just failing to realise how strong and resileient Naruto is. Uzumakis don't die easy, Kushina shoulda taught you that.

Baddestguyp: me tinks tenten will last a few minutes. Remember she summons weapons so all she has to do is summon thousands of weapons with explosive notes to counter the wood

Counter wood or forest?

What of Hashirama versus Tenten?

kimco: whatever i say u jux won't agree with me and jux come up with explanations which for me aren't explanatory enough. in haku's fight for eg, he was wounded lots of time yet didn't show weakness. Then he got the kyuubi upgrade. right after sasuke got ''killed''... Try as much as u want that fight was boring to watch.
He can't be talk no jutsuing everyone he meets for God's sake c'mon. Zabuza was a demon of the mist for a reason. Yes u're right but this a world of ruthlessness drilled to the core. Is naruto a kind of psychologist who's words drills into that core. indoctrination works for the reason that u shield from such bs like naruto's talk no jutsu. Those ninjas are indoctrinated so they don't release info...switch to the the other side....etc. And why is it that only naruto's talk no jutsu works... Nobody's work like his. Total bs

Watch well, Naruto first captivates people with his actions and characters before he uses talk no jutsu..as for his fight with Haku, Naruto passed out on the ground before Sasuke saved him there "killing" himself..it was when he woke to see Sasuke lying down that he entered the fox cloak mode.

kimco: 1.Him vs kiba ( he took hit after hit, wounds after wounds and jux shouted ''i'll defeat u and become hokage blablabla'' then like nothing happen he took out kiba with one combo, c'mon.)

2.Him vs kimmimaro (oh look more of my kagebushin no jutsu yet none of my awesome taijustu feats like i exhibited against sasuke)

3. Him vs that ice dude (forgot his name) refer to kiba's case.

4. Him and bee vs pain ( after being beefed up, having fought this guy b4, naruto jux manages to forget his abilities and makes mistakes a first timer would make. simply pathetic)

5. Him vs gaara (was the same bs all through and talk no jutsu to resolve it at the end.

Really u shud compare sasuke's fights to his...
I'll name more when they come to mind.

Ur point about kurama's help would've have been well received if other junchirikis have'nt been kiiled,they too had the tailed monsters too. wounds are wounds...no amount of chakra would make u not feel ur wounds. If i pieced ur leg so early in a fight...would u tell me that because u still have enough energy u can fight properly? Naruto heals instanteous in kyuubi mode. However in these fights he hasn't turned into a kyuubi so we can't assume he has instanteous healing powers.

I didn't say naruto used talk no jutsu to defeat enemies...he uses it to resolve matters. It's not realistic....it a ninja world for christ's sakes...those guys are noted for their ruthlessness and yet a 16yr old joke of a ninja in orange jump suit (kishi really) can talk no jutsu zabuza, demon of the mist, making him cry.... My God.... and make that scene look like it was straight out of the care bear animation...very bad.

Naruto vs Kiba was nothing special, Uzumakis are very resilient
I wouldnt consider his fight Kimimaro a fight cos Gaara came intervened before it got really started.
His fight versus Haku, dont forget Kurama came to his rescue and that fight was awesome.
Well I'm yet to see his rematch with Pain so i wont comment on that.
His fight versus Gaara was epic meen, he had to summon Gamabunta to fight the one tail and he and Gaara beat the living daylight outta each other. Talk no jutsu came in after both guys couldn't lift a finger against each other. Naruto had to crawl with his head to where Gaara was lying to talk to him.
Which of Sasuke's fights was as epic as Naruto versus Pain?
Naruto's has a naturally strong life force just like Nagato, which gave him a whole lotta endurance, but dont forget he landed in the hospital more times than any of his mates. As for other jinchurikis, no tailed beast is as stubborn as Kurama and he'd prefer been toiled with by Naruto than to be captured by another person.

As for your last paragraph, no matter how droned up you might have been carved out, there's still that element of human in everyone. Its realistic,,,he proves what he says before he says them.

Baddestguyp: thank u joorh. Bt i tink he should've done dat against kakuzu. Its worth d risk nd also its only one gate naa

One gate wont be effective, he'll have to open up to 6 gates to take on an opponent like Kakuzu

Baddestguyp: i cant remember when but check naruto.wikia.com for kakashi's abilities, preferrably use google to search the website. I tink d chapter/episode was stated. Check nd giv me a feedback

He did open one gate in Naruto when he was climbing a mountain with one hand and Sasuke was waiting there to teach him raikiri. That was before the Chunnin exam. Opening the gates is too risky, imagine what Guy and Lee go through whenever they open it...its normally used when you're outta options.

kimco: what u're saying proves my point exactly...naruto even as a kid was surving wounds that would kill fully grown jounins. That insane and bad writing by the author.
Dude...naruto uses talk no jutsu alot which annoys me to no end. When he was a kid at the exams it was cute but for christ sake naruto grow up and wear a green uniform u're a ninja for christ sake. How can u stealth when u are a diff color to ur surroundings? Anoda bad form of writing. orange is too bright. Using transformation twice is gud...but naruto has had too many unimpressive fights cos he allows himself to get injured and win through sheer brute force and nonsense determination all in the name of will of fire eg is the kiba fight, very bad. C'mon kishi...this is why i like sasuke's fights even though there is a lot of plot no justu on his side as well, even more so, but at least he uses his wits. Sakura should not be the judge of someone's strength and wits atall. u can try harder though. Bring in better points. I like ur posts.

First of all, apart from him being an Uzumaki, he's a jinchuriki of the 9 tails and since Kurama doesn't know what will happen to him if Naruto dies, he has to keeep keeping him alive which explains his tremendous healing prowess. Naruto uses talk no jutsu only after defeating his enemies. And which of Naruto's fight is unimpressive? List them and what made them unimpressive...

kimco: He was winning then all of a sudden the chibaku tensei jutsu that was strong enough to pull the kyuubi into it wasn't strong enough to handle naruto in sage mode and he happily escaped after talk no jutsu with his dad. Rubbish writing really. But nothing beats kubo tite in rubbish writing cos bleach has been...from a long time...a crappy piece of sh.i.t

What are you saying nowKyuubi was already breaking outta the Shibaku Tensei and after transforming back to Naruto, hell there would have tons of holes where Naruto would fit considering his size and the fact that Kyuubi had shattered part of the Shibaku Tensei

kimco: he's been arogant since he was introduced...hasn't stopped him from being a collected...careful and very intelligent fighter. Kakuzu thrives on his hearts...if the hearts are there, then he's still strong. He wasn't waned one, nearly killing kakashi ino and choji, then naruto showed up and suddenly he was slow and very stupid. Naruto was performing a jutsu which drained his chakra so much....he's been doing it for long. He shouldn't have been fast enough. However u try to spin it...he jux shouldn't have been fast enough to land that hit...he should've been tired enough to be slower than usual. His fastest feat atm shouldn't have been on the same wave length as kakuzu.

And why wasnt he fast enough to dodge Kakashi's raikiri if he has the speed and awareness you talked about?...point of note, Naruto is an Uzumaki which signifies a very strong life force, so the idea of him getting tired or slower is out of it. Then again, go watch that fight again, when Naruto got there, he had Kurama's eye-balls(even though they were still blue)

kimco: you should improve upon ur reply though. kakuzu was introduced to us as a ninja who had battle experience. Planned ahead jux like shikamaru ; as seen by him putting a heart into the ground incase something happened and did not underestimate his opponents. The guy's awareness is off the charts and yet somehow when naruto arrives...all went out the window? That's bad writing from kishimoto. Naruto shouldn't have been fast enough to land that hit cos

1. He was tired from his tranning

2. Kakuzu should have been faster enough to evade the attack

Like i said other weaker ninjas have evaded closer attacks. S class ninja isn't jux for show and he demonstrated that till kishimoto plot no jutsu'ed the guy.


As for pain...the push and pull power is his most powerful offence. Don't say with it because that's part of pain. If naruto went against what jiraiya went thru fighting just 3 pains without fore knowledge...he won't last half the time jiraiya lasted even with sage mode on. Don't underestimate pain... Naruto defeated those ones cos he already had fore knowledge and knew...with the help of counsel.....exactly what to do. He's no match for pain, dude, don't even try to defend that one. An immobile pain was raping him and killer bee left right and center.

Kakuzu didnt underestimate naruto but he was arrogant, Naruto has almost the same chakra level with Nagato so you cant say he's tired after training..and Kakuzu got himself totally deformed which made his movements slower than his intact self...as for the jiraiya case...no shinobi woulda survived in that same scenario...

sarutobie: It all boils down to PIS(plot induced stupidity..the most potent power of ALL good guys in anime,comics,hollywood and all) and bad writing on kishi's part sometimes.Even with the powers shared between 6 bodies,'that' naruto can't beat pain at full power(that is with tendo in the game from the start)..Not even with the info he got from jiraiya and the village.looking at it from a neutral perspective,it was just not enough.if tendo alone could flaw sagemode naruto,then the 6 combined will be overkill.But it so happend(courtesy of PIS again) that naruto was needed alive..so pain never aimed to kill him for once.unlike j-man.Personally I will prefer battling the 6paths in one body than battling them in 6 seperate entities.I have my reasons

Bros, you said something, 'full power'...before his fight with Naruto, you forgot he had initially single-handedly brought the whole village to his knees, and he used shinra tensei extensively after that which depleted his chakra level heavily..so i dont blame his loss on PIS. And then Pain is one helluva arrogant dude who said himself that he wanted to provoke Naruto into using the Kurama's power so as to evaluate how strong it really is.