Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,158,220 members, 7,836,065 topics. Date: Tuesday, 21 May 2024 at 08:15 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? (27285 Views)
Toni Payne Blasts Chris Okotie For Saying "All Catholics Will Go To Hell" / List Of People I Saw Going to Hell: Footballers & Fans, Musicians, Non-Tithers.. / Testimony Of HEAVEN & HELL & The Condition Of Today’s Church – By Rodolfo Aceved (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) ... (25) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 5:24pm On May 22, 2013 |
Tpfkakambo: Except , and then you went on to list quite a few other parables Anyway, I will take it that you are a honest student of the bible, in which case, can you kindly help me assess the statement below : According to the members of the HELL club, when a man or woman dies in sin, they immediately descend to HELL , which though prepared for the devil and his angels , contains ONLY Human Beings. In other words, while the devil roams the earth, blissfully causing mayhem, the HELL which was prepared for him is ONLY inhabited by MEN and WOMEN. Think about this for a moment, does it really make sense ? Secondly , there are Two Hells if we are to believe that sinners go to HELL after death. The Lake of Fire is also called HELL in the bible. So tell us , which of these hells was created for the devil and his angels, which HELL was Jesus referring to. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Boomark(m): 5:34pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo: hahaha! I no fit shout. Waited for this answer. We have seen those rejecting the word with "Get thee behind me satan." SMH!!! |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Boomark(m): 5:56pm On May 22, 2013 |
frosbel: ^^^^ JWs dey mercy for them. If i were them, i would be asking these people questions that will always shut their mouth. But they have chosen to be answering peoples questions for teaching sake. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Tpfkakambo(m): 6:32pm On May 22, 2013 |
@ijaw kid wuld death b tormented ... Does it matter.? Death and hell wuld b packd in2 d same can-d lake of fire. D bible shows death is a spiritual force or entity. E.g in romans, paul says- Oh death where is your sting . Oh grave where is ur vctory. The last enemy to b put under foot is death. So death is an entity and not Gods will. "y thnk ppl wil b burng literally for all eternity..." i'm not reasng out d wrd here so my opinions carry no weight. Rev19v14: then death and hades were thrwn int d lake of fire. (tht's clear enuff or u wnt me to interprete it as I deem fit? Throw is throw, into is into lake is lake . D n h were thrown into LoF. He kicked d ball over d bar, u undastand tht but this one is givg u headache!) v14b"the lake of fire is d second death". V15 "if anyones name was not found written in the book of Life , he was thrown into the lake of fire. (need further exposition?) LoF is d second death. So d second death isnt eternal rigor mortis. But sth mor dynamc. Wen it said hell will b thrwn into into d lake of fire,wat is tht hell? Its d hell d rich man in d story of lazarus went to at death. Its d hell Jesus spoke about, where their wrms never die out. "where is d place for resurrection?" tht i ddnt mention resurrection doesnt mean i doubt it. Str8tn ur thnkg. Read ur bible to clear out the confusion. Theyll b a resurrection of the livg and d dead. It doesnt affct their abode in heavn or hell-temporary stations. The rapture will hav d dead in christ rise frst then the saints follow second. Simple, departed saints are sent back into their bodies, then they ascend. Livg saints have their bodies transformed and they rise too. The sinner dead will resurrect after d millenial reign to face d great white throne judgement. They too will take on their bodies . Spirits will b united with bodies then dispatched to final locations. "if satan was thrwn to earth wat kingdom are talkg about"? Again. Read the bible (and some gud christian books ) everything above and including earth's atmosphere is categorized as heaven in d scripture. I.e atmosphere.. So God's heaven is above, the cloud and sky is above and in between God's abode and d physcal heaven-sky ,clouds, is satan's kingdom. Satan has a kingdom anyway. The bible says Jesus has delivered us from d KINGDOM of DARKNESS into the KINGDOM of His dear son. So satan has a kingdom ,its not allegorical prose,fro wch he operates to control humanity. There are highly organized spirit forces with ranks , hierarchies and officers see ephesians 6 . Also see d story of daniel where his prayer was delayed by d prince of persia. Satan was thrown out of heaven to earth, doesn mean he was given authority over d earth. Earth is beneath heaven so wen he was kicked out of heaven he fell dwn to a lower realm. Earth. "dyu know Jesus went to Hell?" yes. because Jesus bcame sin, he @ death sunk dwn to hell . Just as wud b d case of som1 wu died in their sins. Again, notice tht Jesus was in hell while his body was in a tomb. Provg tht spirits dnt hang around at death. Adam and eve sinned , if they dnt burn then who amng mankind deserves to burn" read romans 5v12-end. Esp vrse 18 ,19. It answers ths question. "wen adam and eve sinned wat did God say will happen to them?" God said they'll die. But u interprete death narrowly. Death means absence of life. Y absence of life? Cuz God is Life. Unplugging from Life eventually leads to death. And death in tht verse is all encompassg: first no spiritual life.God wasnt in man's spirit, the body dies cuz the spirit doesnt hav eternal life, mental death,dullness retardation, emotional death,anxiety,worry,depression lack of peace, material death: toil with little profit, lack of basic livg necessities. Marital death: disruption,divorce etc business Failure: busnesses collapse , bankcruptcy etc in essence once man disconncts frm God thru sin, life countdwn begins. Planet death: plants die, crops die etc poor ground yield death transcended physcal death. Physcl death is caused by spiritual death. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Boomark(m): 6:33pm On May 22, 2013 |
obadiah777: I SEE YOU ARE HERE BEING A REPROBATE AGAIN ? OF COURSE JESUS IS ARCH-ANGEL MICHEAL Don't mind him, he was not there when we were reasoning from the scripture. He should go and read from that thread. I was in initially in the opposition party before i decamped. 1 Like |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 6:34pm On May 22, 2013 |
obadiah777: LMAO. NOW I KNOW YOU ARE DRUNK ON SHEKPE. NOW LET ME PROVE ONCE AND FOR ALL TO EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT JESUS IS MICHEAL. IF YOU SUPPORT THIS POST AND HAVE BEEN EDIFIED BY THIS POST, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE. IF YOU THINK I AM FULL OF CRAP ALSO, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE. OK NOW LETS FINALLY PROVE THAT JESUS IS MICHEAL<<< DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT BOOKMARK 1 Like |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by truthislight: 6:43pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo: lol. This bros funny die. Lol. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Boomark(m): 7:30pm On May 22, 2013 |
obadiah777: Have you forgotten how i brought you into my new party? Cos you came late and refuse to read all the 40 pages(recommend by truthislight) even as you disagreed with us. The contention between Michael and satan over Moses' body(not bone/skeleton) was not after Jesus' 40 day fasting. It happened when Moses died and nobody was around to bury him. Michael defeated satan by saying "may Jehovah rebuke you." God buried Moses by himself, Deut 34:6. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by ijawkid(m): 7:35pm On May 22, 2013 |
Tpfkakambo: How can the boldeÐ not be enough Évidence to show that the introductory part of the story of the rich man and lazarus is a parable??........it is obvious that it is......how can the parable of the shrewd manager which started luke chapter 16 and with the same ""there was a certain rich man"" be a parable and the succeeding story of the rich man and lazarus that started the same way not be a parable??........please how??............ Can we also agree that the parable of the shrewd manager and the prodigal son aren't parables too??..... Please take a look at how Jesus started this parable too....... Luke 13:6 6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. .... If you still insist that the story of the rich man and lazarus isn't a parable then I have questions for you which in your wildest dreams you might not be able to answer........... Are you ready?? |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 7:43pm On May 22, 2013 |
frosbel: ^^ Of course I can't follow your idiotic teachings of no hell bla bla bla. No doubt, satan has blindfolded and caged you with this evil doctrine, using you to deceive the weak minded that's why its hard for you to break away. I hope your eyes will open one day. Quite a pity what pride can do to a person. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 7:48pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo:someone that says man is not made of spirit, soul and body. how can he understand simple biblical explanation about hell? SMH! |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 8:19pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo: My eyes opened when I left your cult and the likes . |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 8:20pm On May 22, 2013 |
Bidam: someone that says man is not made of spirit, soul and body. how can he understand simple biblical explanation about hell? SMH! Indeed MAN is a Soul because he has a Body with a spirit ( God's breath ), no ? 1 Like |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 8:33pm On May 22, 2013 |
frosbel: Your eyes are of course beholding the false doctrine designed by satan. And here you are in the his cult doing exploits for him. See how he is having a field day in your life. What a pity, what a shame. Thank God there are people here who have refused to join your satanic cult. Who are standing on the truth of the bible. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 8:56pm On May 22, 2013 |
Bidam: someone that says man is not made of spirit, soul and body. how can he understand simple biblical explanation about hell? SMH! My dear this agents of satan are twisting the bible. They stu.pidly quote the scriptures and give it satanic interpretation. See how one of their agents said that Elijah didn't actually ascend into heaven just because the place I quoted destroyed his evil plan of trying to manipulate the scripture he quoted to drive his devilish teaching. He explained the heaven Elijah was taken to as just the sky where plane and birds fly. Very deperate and shameless people. Heaven has suddenly had several interpretations same way they interpreted hell because their idiotic teaching must be propagated. Hopeless beings. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 9:06pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo:Don't mind them my brother.Jesus came from the Father because He was with the Father from the very beginning John 1:1..If Not so how did David knew to call Him Lord? How did Paul also knew to call Him Lord when he encountered Him on the road to Damascus? They are yet to tell us why Paul paid a visit to the third heavens. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Pygru: 9:12pm On May 22, 2013 |
frosbel: ^^^^ frosbel: If you are a Jehovah's Witness please understand that I am not against you as an individual. I am not an apostate from the Watchtower organization and, of course, I was never baptized as a Jehovah's Witness. However, when I was 17, I studied with the Jehovah's Witnesses for a couple of months, but quit. Unfortunately, they used the Watchtower Magazine equally, and sometime more than the Bible and they couldn't answer all my questions. All I wanted to study was the Bible since that is God's word.https://www.nairaland.com/723532/jehovahs-witness-please-read-first |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by ijawkid(m): 9:13pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo: Please alex....when Jesus said no " NO man has ascended into heaven" was he on shekpe??.... Was Jesus smoking marijuana when he made that confirmatory statement about who was in heaven and who wasn't ??.......or is it that when Jesus was descending or was in heaven elijah sneaked in without his notice??..... Please don't quickly term the comments of people as rubbish when you have not considered all the facts....... 2 Likes |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 9:44pm On May 22, 2013 |
Bidam: Don't mind them my brother.Jesus came from the Father because He was with the Father from the very beginning John 1:1..If Not so how did David knew to call Him Lord? How did Paul also knew to call Him Lord when he encountered Him on the road to Damascus? They are yet to tell us why Paul paid a visit to the third heavens. They are merchants of lies. Watch how they ll twist this one too. The place I quoted about Enoch may be they are still cooking the lies that they ll use to defend that one too. Shameless desperados. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 10:48pm On May 22, 2013 |
ijawkid: They guy has stopped thinking. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 11:30pm On May 22, 2013 |
frosbel: If thinking means accepting your idiotic and satanic message then I don't need your thinking. What a shameless satanic desperado display. I ll vehemently oppose any satan inspired teaching you bring here. You want to lure people into eternal damnation. You ll fail serially. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 11:31pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo: For a so called Christian you are rude , abusive and always angry, check yourself brother. 1 Like |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 11:40pm On May 22, 2013 |
frosbel: You are worse off with your poisonous message that you are spreading here. Retrace your steps and stop polluting and poisoning weak minds. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by truthislight: 11:43pm On May 22, 2013 |
alexleo: What has become of you? easy men. when the bible says "birds of heaven", does it refer to the birds in the throne of God? No. But the birds simply fly in the skies, that is the sense of it. And, Jesus said this below, who should i belief, between u and Jesus?: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13). .............................................. Elijah did not go to heaven, the throne of God. the bible does not contradict itself. . |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 11:56pm On May 22, 2013 |
truthislight: And nay be Elijah suddenly became a human bird of the heaven by that action. Enoch probably is now in your village since the bible said he did not taste death. Paul must have also lied that he was taken to the third heaven going by your submission. The several places that Jesus talked about hell and its torments haven't you twisted it in you usual satanic manner? You are a merchant of lies. You can't deceive me. Elijah's ministry ended when he ascended to heaven and Elisha took over his mantle. stop your stu.pid and senseless twisting of the scripture. Tell your master satan that you can't continue to run his trade of falsehood for him because its detrimental to the eternal destiny of your soul. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Nobody: 12:01am On May 23, 2013 |
alexleo: Did your 'perfect' apostle faith church teach you this : 2 Timothy 2:24-25 King James Version (KJV) 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 1 Like |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by alexleo(m): 12:14am On May 23, 2013 |
frosbel: You that claim to be perfect and bible knowledge champion, are you even near the word perfect with your satan filled spirit that makes you twist the bible to suit your flesh? Wash yourself off falsehood, break away from the cult of satan that you belong to with your JW cohorts, speak the truth of the bible and stop messing yourself up. I won't be suprised if you become an atheist tomorrow. You are not far from them and truly, they ve told you this before in one of their thread. Check your life and retrace your steps back to the truth of the bible. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by kambo(m): 12:39am On May 23, 2013 |
--- |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by kambo(m): 12:40am On May 23, 2013 |
... |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by Tpfkakambo(m): 12:44am On May 23, 2013 |
ijawkid: ijawkid: From your logic "once Jesus used the words "there was a certain man" " it was a parable? What wen Jesus was talking of a man , who existed yet didnt want to mention the man's name what word would he use? "a certain man" infact the word "certain" pertains to certainty. As for you logic,look at the points i proposed... What was the moral story conveyed in the Richman and lazarus story viz a vis other parables ... None!! . The bible justs states that story and ends there.. You are trying to shoe horn scriptures to fit your logic. Jesus could have used the words , a particular man, a certain man, there was once a man, to refer to the man in the story of lazarus and the rich man. I dont want to rehash my old arguments keep an open mind. Jesus parable either illustrate the operations of the Kingdom. The true character of a kingdom character - love (parable of the good samaritan), repentance (the prodigal son), end of days(wheat and tares), salvation (the wedding banquet,the ten virgins), etc. What kingdom concept was the story of the rich man and lazarus conveying and Y would Jesus use the idea of eternal death to convey it? In all his other parable simplicity was the key, using easily understood illustrations, what was so complex in the moral (kingdom concept) Jesus was illustrating with the parable of the rich man and lazarus that He couldnt find an easier fit? wake up from your delusion. Real life characters are not necessary to potray a parable, But Jesus mentioned abraham and Abraham spoke to the rich man!!! so much for a parable. you wish it were a parable. |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by kambo(m): 1:06am On May 23, 2013 |
-- |
Re: Hell, Can Go To Hell - The Conclusion ? by kambo(m): 1:07am On May 23, 2013 |
---- |
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) ... (25) (Reply)
Daddy Freeze Hails Pastor Abel Damina For Saying Women Can Wear Trousers / Melchisedec - Who Was This Man? / I Will Die Very Soon.
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 97 |