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sleek214:
The narrator narrated the story as if he/she was with them through out

Don't mind Nigerian bloggers with their fictitious"sources" to spice up their stories.

RealityKings:
Whoever wrote this for David is a genius.
How to finish somebody in 1 paragraph

Na serious uppercut I swear

A "drifter without a dime, career or education"

Lovenorth:
I think they are the ones to make this clarification for better understanding

No need for any clarification. To disappear means to go missing or become impossible to find.

Look it up in a dictionary.

It was not reported that he disappeared into thin air.

legallysly:
Oh please, stop trying to be clever by half.

To remain competitive and retain their employees, the smaller organisations will have to increase salaries and allowances.

You are obviously well read and that tells me that you already know what I am talking about. You know the ripple effect an astronomical increase in the minimum wage will have on the economy and yet, you still encourage it.

An increase in minimum wage is inevitable, but it must be in tune with economic realities. Anyone proposing ridiculous figures like 500k, 300k, and even 150k is simply not pragmatic.

I haven't given any figure so why attacking me based on assumption?

You're talking of ripple effect without providing data in support of how past minimum wage increase resulted in what you're speculating.

Is this the first time for a minimum wage increase in this country?

Image123:
Talking about numbers and religion,
There are about 2.4 billion christians in the world (Personally and BTW, i don't believe that a huge % of them are true Bible christians).
There are about 21.9 billion muslims in the world.
There are about 1.2 billion hindus in the world.
There are about 535 million buddhists in the world.

All four religions are from Asia as you know. Now to define their influence and relevance to the world,
99% of Buddhists are found in the Asia -Pacific region. Most of the 1 % outside Asia are still migrants from Asia.
It's also a staggering less than 1% figure for Hindu population outside Asia. Again, most of these less than 1% are migrants from Asia.
You cannot compare these to the muslim and christian numbers and percentages. That is influence and relevance.
But like i have said many times, i am not talking about religion. i am talking about the Bible.
While the Buddhist and Hindu books may be older than the Bible, nobody knows them, or let's say, an insignificant number of people know them outside the Asia-Pacific. They lack global influence and relevance. They cannot compete on level ground. If you remove tradition, restriction and force (which ALL the other books enjoy), most of them will further lose their influence and relevance. They can't even survive half of what the Bible has gone through if you know history well.
Once again, i have not said that the Quran or the Buddhist scriptures are not inspired. The Bible is inspired by God, they are the ones that know the spirit that inspired their own books. The only spirit that i know is God and my own spirit. i have not said that other spirits do not exist, even the Bible affirms that they do.

Christianity and Islam achieved achieved its influence and relevance in the world through death and destruction: jihads and crusades ( forceful conversions).

Not so ,for Buddhism and Hinduism . Both respect the sanctity of the human life and never try to force their religion on others.

helinues:
Must all deaths related to farmers in Southern Nigeria be all perpetrated by herdsmen?

Which kind of yeye reportage be this? Someone found dead in his farm without seeing those who killed him, but the journalists have already concluded it must be herdsmen?

So people no dey get issue with others locally without herdsmen involved?

Abeg, the Nigeria media should stop petty reportage

The report said suspected herders , but you have interpreted it to mean herdsmen.

So, you're the one who has concluded wrongly

chieveboy:
We will see about comprehension...



So having excluded the billions of others when talking about the science of perception in subjective experiences, this make this law excludes Eckists. Those gotten when a spiritual exercise of Eck is used are invalid. Nice one.

This means when scientific bodies like the Monroe Institute in collaboration with the CIA run a Hemisync session and get an inner experience, it's valid. When an Eckists run same technology as Hemisync (Sound) and get same or even better experience l, its "fantasy" and "illusion" (the type only you will live to define).


I do salute your persistence at self-delusion because I just stripped you of your antics above..

Your problem is comprehension. I will keep telling you that .

Anyone, whether eckist or non eckist who focuses long enough on an image which is illusory ,like a cartoon character or even a real person,will certainly be drawn into experiencing it either in their dreams or waking state and having it influencing their behavior unconsciously. That's why eckist are asked to focus on the image of their masters or master. Some pentecostal Christians are ignorantly doing the same thing by either wearing the picture of their pastors on their neck or placing it somewhere in theirs cars. There's nothing wrong with this practice,but the question is what do you really know about the person whose picture you're focusing on.to influence your behavior
unconsciously?

" Where you place your attention is where you go to", And I said some of Eckankar"s spiritual exercises, not all, contain imageries and fantasy that pulls one into experiencing what's illusion. I don't expect you to accept this ,but that's the truth. Ex members of Eckankar who now know the truth behind those imageries imbedded in the spiritual exercises no longer experience what they used to experience before. It has completely seized.

Once you know the truth you automatically become free from lies and illusion. You're not ready to know the truth

This oneis really cheap. We have two different groups here:

The Monroe Institute, Rife, and the bloke whose Instagram presentation I showed you. Those are completely unrelated and not affiliated with Eckankar.

Second group: Eckankar.
They are not out to go about trying to prove the technology of Sound despite being relative pioneers at that.

. The bolded is a very stupid excuse to avoid providing evidence for your claims.

So, according to you, while mainstream scientists have the obligation to reveal their findings to the public for scrutiny, eckist on the other hand,shouldn't " go about trying to prove the technology of sound" which they practice secretly.

If what you're saying is true, then why did you open this thread in the first place to discuss it at all?

You only want to announce Eckankar" s technology as authentic but without any scientific support or evidence?

You just revealed why you're stuck with Eckankar. You're a true believer who just want to believe without evidence. Keep it up and I wish you good luck.

The idea of this whole thread is to let people know that the idea of using Sound is not just mythical or religious venture as one would assume in the case of Eckankar.

The thread drew very clear and unambiguous parallel between science (CIA, Monroe, Rife and many nother scientific bodies) as far as the use of sound for expansion of consciousness and also healing of physical and subtle bodies

1.The bolded is the parallel you will waste your effort at blurring.

No. I don't think you have any idea of what you're doing. Sorry to say , you showing confusion.The subject matter of the op is ", the use of frequency against prayer" to heal cancer . You have refused to focus on that by explaining the science behind it as well as providing proofs of the number of people you have cured of cancer. You just said you don't need to prove it. That your followers should just believe you. I'm not as gullible as them , and so thanks.

3. I won't respond to your mentions of Tesla, Rife because they have nothing to do with your claims about Hu. They haven't announced they got inspiration for their inventions from singing Hu. The CIA mention is you clowing yourself. I'm very sure if we continue with this you would also mention, FBI KGB, Mossad conducting some scientific research which confirms Eckankar as a completely scientific religion.

3.. If you want to discuss expansion of consciousness, then please create a thread for that . For now, focus on the Op.

If there is a scientific body as the one which went about testing Buddhist monks in how they are able to generate body heat without any external input was interested, they could conduct this tests with Eckists and place the information for you to Google and see.

That such research isn't available online except via personal interaction with Eckists who have used the HU to do things that even the CIA would marvel at doesn't take anything away from the HU sound/frequency! What is cancer oga?

Wait who said the information is not available? It very much is and I posted it whoe you wasted your energy in telling the world that science had not placed Eckists/ECk Masters under a microscope, hence, they are false, yet you conceded that science hadn't laid hance on the technology to understand certain things.



Oh I get it completely. It lends scientific credence to Eckankar and you like it. No be by force sha.road.

I haven't said Hu is not effective at all. Singing it the right way can certainly impact on the physical body and brain which can result in some healings. I know that from experience. But I'm saying that it's not completely scientific as you want your followers to believe.
The results you get from singing Hu is boosted from the amount of belief you place on the mantra and your level of expectations . Remember, it's not what you do that determines what you get but what you expect. This is they key to success and it's because of this people who sing it don't ever experience the same thing .

Just to let you know, Hu, is not Eckankar "s property or invention. Paul Twitchell, the founder of the religion hijacked it from elsewhere where' it's originally sung as Hoooooooo instead of huuuuu. I believe you don't know this. But it doesn't matter how you sing it whether ,hooooo or huuuueee ,what matters is your level of concentration,the intensity with which you sing, and the amount of belief , (which is the most important),you place on the mantra. .

Hu is not the only thing you can sing if you understand how it works. You can sing aum ,ra love, even your name, the one you create yourself,or anything that resonates with you
But Eckankar has placed Hu above all sounds which is very unfortunate. Like I explained before,no sound is the ultimate or contains everywhere other sound. Any sound people make has it's own unique frequency and that's why you can easily pick out the voice of a friend from a crowd of people even when you're yet to site them physically.

Oh I did. Check Benodic's posts and mine. You will see many. Check "Meet the Eck Masters" thread. You will see them. You just won't bring yourself to realize the needful

See, it's not like it's wrong to beef any Eck master or call out a teaching, but when you come to see new information which points to an apparent lack of understanding of things, you should be humble enough to correct yourself. It's okay though if you won't do that publicly.

Drop this beef talk and focus on the main thing. This thread is not about Eck masters but the Hu which you claim is more effective than prayers and it's completely scientific practice . I believe your followers are eagerly waiting for you to provide evidence of how you cured someone of any illness. You're disappointing them . I'm very sure of that.

, BTW, you said up there that you're not expected to provide any proof. So what are now saying here?

Liars must have good memories.

Fine



It will be a folly to try to convert anyone to Eckankar who is disenchanted or not interested in it.

That said, you were quoted on the simple grounds that you may see the thread that runs along the verbal HU Sound/frequency generators vs those who use machine sto do same. A purely scientific discussion, it was unfortunate you wouldn't let your apparent prejudice let you see road.

It's very unfortunate you choose to lie. You quoted me because you said I rejected the claim that Eckankar is completely scientific path or religion.
Go back to the beginning see it, and hope you don't go to edit it to match with your present narrative . I noticed in the other thread, you went back to edit what was contained in the Op long after the discussion had ended. So I don't trust you not to do the same.

Spectators:
Woman Dies After Jumping from Ekpan-Refinery Flyover in Delta State

A woman took her own life on Saturday morning by jumping from the Ekpan-Refinery flyover in Uvwie Local Government Area of Delta State.

According to eyewitness accounts, the woman, whose identity remains unknown, mounted the flyover and, after a brief pause, plunged backwards to her death on the tarred road below. A video captured by passersby showed the woman inching towards the edge of the flyover, whose rails had been damaged, before taking the fatal leap.

Though the reasons behind the woman's decision to end her life remain unclear, it was gathered that she was a mother of three who had been struggling to provide for her family. In a reported confession to a neighbor the previous night, the woman said she was tired of begging and facing insults and rejection as she tried to feed herself and her children. She also expressed frustration at her inability to find even a manual job, with people calling her lazy without understanding the difficulties she was facing./

In a social media post accompanying the video, a witness expressed the view that "depression is real" and urged people to regularly check on their loved ones, especially during these trying times.

"Depression is a disease that is actually treatable, and we must never, ever succumb to it," the post stated. "No matter what is happening, it is only temporary. Where there's life, there is also hope, and that is one of the great mysteries of life."

After the woman's tragic fall, those present at the scene were heard in the video lamenting her actions. No official statement has been released to confirm the identity of the deceased or provide any further details about her family.




https://spectatorsng.com/moment-woman-commits-suicide-jumped-from-ekpan-refinery-flyover-in-delta-video/

The bolded are pure lies. I know the woman personally. She is not struggling and begging to survive. She has her own business and makes enough to take care of herself and husband. Everyone who knew her still cannot fathom any reason she decided to take her own life .The so called neighbor she confided to is a product of the imagination of the stupid blogger.

brain54:
It's difficult to explain exchange rates...


To people who haven't lived in these countries!

You're very correct especially with that of Ghana whose currency has been redominated to make it valuable.

chieveboy:
Not true at all. Billions of people who do not even know that there is a place called "Inner World" have better experiences than some Eckists and are mostly confused than appreciate or want more.

. I can now finally confirm you have serious comprehension problems. I never said people don't have inner experiences. I said so, but that some Eckankar" s spiritual exercises can pull one into illusion due to the images and fantasy they contain. If you struggle to understand what I just explained clearly, there's nothing I can do to help you. I'm talking about Eckankar "s spiritual exercises and not what "billions" of others are doing elsewhere.

My job is to put into better perspectives your misrepresentations of things as far as the metaphysics or correctness of your assertions are concerned:

You the one who has been misrepresenting me in order to escape from the simple task of providing evidences for the people whose illnesses you have cured with the sound vibrations you generate from singing Hu. That's what your op seeks to promote ; frequency over the use of prayers.

If someone fantasize or imagine anything, they are actually coming to terms with something existing. You don't like Eckankar word for such information, so I can recommend scientific work confirming this. No one is really or can create anything again in life. Nothing is ever new.

You have a poor understanding what of they teach you in Eckankar and no wonder you have explaining nonsense.

I think if not for your stance on anything Eckankar, the discussion did led to us seeing that Sound is and had been used to do marvelous things as a technology be it machine-assisted or biologically in the case of Eckists, Buddhists, Sufi moslems, etc who employ it.

We also learnt that there is nothing like "Material Science" as it where, because nothing is "Material" in the light of advanced knowledge.

We learnt that machines can actually accomplish what humans do as in the case of 'Hemisync' selling HU sounds to achieve brain hemispheric synchronization towards achieving mystic experiences like OBE, Manifestation, Peace of mind, Healing etc just as Eckankar proposes thereby merging science with religion or mysticism. .

The bolded is gibberish nonsense. You just put words together and don't care if it makes sense or not. Material sciences means natural sciences. You have a casual understanding of what you're talking about.

The videos of people playing sounds destroying cancer and the other animating matter into coherent geometrically perfect shapes lends credence to Sound technology. It was an eye-opener for people who wouldn't want to admit it.

It peeled the layer of the onions of perception and understanding for many on this thread who came without a prior beef.

Cheers!

Provide your own demonstrations of sound technology before sharing videos of what others ,who don't sing Hu ,are doing elsewhere. You are selling Hu to the public as a better alternative to prayers,but refusing to provide videos of people singing it to cure cancer .

I don't have any beef against Eckankar. If I had , I wouldn't say some of the good things I have said about it. If you want to meet with people having serious beef against Eckankar, search online you certainly will come across people insulting Harold and condemning everything about Eckankar. I separate myself from such people. If not that you mentioned me on this thread I wouldn't have participated. I already decided to give your space but you don't want to reciprocate that.

If Eckankar is working for you,good. Enjoy yourself but be honest about how you present it to the public. Claiming it's completely scientific is deception. A religion described as the religion of the light and sound of God can never be completely scientific.

chieveboy:
This man, you think you're talking to your child .
Anyways lol , I have left it several times in my past lives. I am sure past lives are not "scientifically possible" so I give up



I was sure you would typically mention that HU is not the primal sound. It was a big let-off revealing some ignorance on the physics of the very fringe of what scientists call the String Theory.

A dead giveaway on how it is scientifically possible to have a primal sound is how a guitar string produces different sounds when transposed. I won't blame you, be rest assured that science will reach there.

You remember how in the Eck works this keeps getting mentioned that science will catch up with spiritual stuff? Like spiritual cities on earth and so on?




Yea, that's the best for you. Do not accept it



Imagine what? You were giving yourself off and I was seeing things as they are man, and this was about your comments about the HU which Eckankar never made claim of owning. More so on your apparent ignorance of the existence of scientific evidence on the dynamics of Sound Technology be it soft or hard.

Who said people don't leave Eckankar? Do you have a contract to never leave or what? What are you saying really?

I really don't want to let you in on my romance with Eckankar even before you heard of it or it being known today as Eckankar. At a time before the 1800s, it was just a few folks on the outer path. It is not a contest on membership or crowd. You of all should know this.

I will not take away from you your own experience with It, but oga sir, no be today we started joining and leaving Eckankar if that's what you meant.



I think you're toddler as far as understanding 'inner experiences' are concerned, no offence.

You have this knack... And it's the futility for me:

You want us to start another long subject ?
Jung, and hundreds of psychologist and too many Scientific, mythology institutions have beaten this subject up even for the lay man that yes, people have 'inner experiences' starting with dreams for Pete's sake, going further to 'remote viewing' so much that a whole government agency is built around that feat. These inner experience have been found to align with 'reality' in all of its ramification for a human.

You just took that "it's all illusion" without grasping the thing very well. A spoon is another "illusion" and it is not. That's how that statement works sir.

Here in this quote, the Almighty Triplechoice is writing inner experiences off as "lies"in a vain effort to spite Eckankar when more serious people have grasped and put millions of information about.

Can you now see the infantility in that attempt?





Here again you miss the whole etymology of the word "science", but even at that, the very act of "evaluating experience to measure progress" is the same method employed by the kind of science you acknowledge as science employs to investigate the paranormal especially on matters of consciousness because no material tool for that currently exists.

Heck I recall you once sent me one link to validate your idea of how science on such matter is conducted which employs interviews for scientification.

I have laid out to the audience the science behind Eckists using sound instead of speech.

I was able to present scientific backing to the efficacy of such practice thereby bridging science with mysticism. I presented videos, research papers and all to back that.

The aforementioned are my goals and objectives for the thread.



You seem am? "Material science is not based on that". Material science had crossed over sir. They require the believe element for the more serious sciencing. It is the 4th dimension or element.

I know this one will give you a hard time.

You really take delight in representing me.

Or is comprehension your problem?

I never dismissed all of inner experiences as false , but said the bulk of the inner experiences eckist report and rely on as foundation for their faith is influenced by the images and fantasy attached to some of the spiritual exercises.

The images you focused on is the doorway leading to what you experience. And if the image is a false one , what do you think you would experience?



I repeat again, if you didn't quote me there's no way I would have gotten involved in this thread .

Whatever you think Eckankar is , enjoy yourself and stop dragging me into unnecessary discussion that leads to no where.

chieveboy:
I see. This now boils down to how much you missed while studying Eck.

Did you hear about HU being the primal sound responsible for all sounds?

Did you hear the masters talking about the sound of rushing winds, thunder,etc as other sounds one hears that are of the HU?

What the do you think is being used to heal people and expand consciousness in either Soul Travel or Remote View by Eckankar/CIA or the Monroe Institute and Rife?

What did Eckankar teach you about Sound since you claimed to have been a student of?

If you missed it: Sound is the base for manifestation (quarks, quanta, atom, matter). There is the primal or Original Sound/Frequency. Think 'String Theory'. From this sound, a modulation and transponding occurs birthing other sounds and frequency. Eckankar teaches you that HU is that sound. Science will catch up with this reality too.

So when the CIA, Rife, Tesla etc use any frequency to heal, cause earthquakes, remote view, they are essentially modulating the primal sound HU.

If you buy any of the materials the Monroe Institute uses, most of the sound is the same HU you will hear

For your watching pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsGULCvMBk

Hehehe. You have now turned to questioning by past involvement in eckankar after failing to provide scientific support for your outlandish claims.

1. If you have the courage, which I don't think you have, to leave eckankar , what you stand to gain after ,is much more than what you think you would miss . I don't miss anything I'm only grateful for what I learnt both good and bad.That's all.

Contrary to what you have been made to believe ,the Hu is not the primal sound behind all sound. That claim was a lie concocted by Paul Twitchell to promote Hu as the ultimate so eckist can take pride they're doing the right thing and put their heart to It. It's simple psychology. If you're made to accept that something is the best, you tend to go for it while abandoning others . It's not different from "Jesus is the only way"My mantra is the only way " The same kind of lie told differently.

The claim about the Hu is not scientifically possible.No sound can be behind all sound because each sound gives out its own unique frequency or vibration when produced.So ,It's all empty talk to deceive the gullible. Have you conducted any scientific experiment to determine the truthfulness about what you have told about Hu. No. You haven't. You just believe as a true believer.

You're hallucinating if you think you're perceiving Hu behind any other sound.

2. You created a thread titled " The science Why eckist don't pray" and quoted me . I responded to your mention by asking for the science and its explanation.

From that time till now, never for once have you answered the question directly.

The inventions by Tesla and the investigation carried out by the CIA into the paranormal doesn't validate your claim about singing Hu .

But If you think they' do, good for you. I'm not accepting it. It's your choice want you to accept and deceive yourself with.

Just focus on the Op and stop making wild guesses and wayward speculations about my past involvement with Eckankar . You imagine or you have been told that no one can abandon the religion after having certain nner experience with the master.The same thing I once believed with all my heart is what you want to use against me . You make me laugh.

A lot of the so called inner experiences which forms the foundation of your faith(, I experienced them myself, )are products of illusions and lies imbedded in some of the images and fantasy tied to the spiritual exercises. You don't know this because you never did adequate research before joining. Eckankar can distort your reality if you're not very careful. Go and learn from other ex members if you doubt me.


Yes , you can approach the spiritual exercises scientifically by taking records of your experiences in order to evaluate them later to determine if you're making progress or not . But to label the exercises as completely scientific is foolish talk .

Believe is what makes it work. Material science is not based on that

chieveboy:
1: I made this thread about the science of why Eckists use Sounds instead of prayer...

2: I you said it wasn't science, it's pseudoscience...

3: I told you science is catching up with the more advanced science of Sound. I provided links... You said it's no science...even with the CIA scientists involved...

4: You argued Science has nothing to do with mysticism, and Eckankar has not link with science, I then 'sammered' you that CIA linked which takes science straight to mysticism even with the idea of "remote viewing" "mantras"... You didn't read it, you wouldn't.

5: I told you that Sound, the very technology the whole of Eckankar is hinged on is used to reverse diseases giving you video prove of the science at play (without the need for endless "papers", you said it was false, that even the pioneer of that science (Rife) was a "pseudoscientist".




Since you conceded to the use of "non-scientific" proof, you can go interview several people who have used it to cure ailments like Cancer. Their testaments are the proofs.

Moreover, you cynically are making a futile attempt at downplaying something here:

Hemisync, the CIA and Rife use the fundamental tool of Sound to deal with almost about anything be it curing a disease or manifesting a thought or Remote Viewing.

Eckankar for the use of Sound used to be known as the "religion of the Sound..." Not "word" or "name", "SOUND".

So if Eckankar uses sound for healing (ala Rife), Soul Travel (Ala CIA Remote viewing) and you're not getting anything in the line of "Science catching up to Eckankar and other mystic paths", then we clearly can see the inconsequential prejudice I earlier hinted at.

6: May be what I didn't do for you to get it is align with your earlier assertion that anyone can make any sound. Yes! The machines which produce the frequencies used in miraculous scientific operations like in HAARP, Rife, Hemisync, Vibroacoustic Healing are all mimicry of what a human can produce with their oral orifices in combination with their 'entero-myofacials'

Summary: Eckankar use sound, Science is catching up.

It's not my responsibility to provide proof for your claims. Share your own experience and those of others you know doing the same thing so your followers can believe you.

In the other thread you shared enough stories of people meeting with the Eck masters as proof of their existence.

Why's this one different.? Chieveboy.


The CIA and the others you mentioned aren't doing the same thing as you. You think it's the same because of the word ,frequency. It's not

All that you have doing is to compare apples with oranges because of the word, frequency

If you think you're doing the same thing as Tesla and the other scientists you mentioned what's stopping you from also claiming that sound frequencies generated through singing Hu can also be used to control your TV set like a remote control using infrared frequency .

You have been using the word, science or completely scientific unconsciously to describe
the spiritual practices of Eckankar, and haven't been able to question it for once because of how the religion was introduced to you at the beginning.



The spiritual cannot be described as completely scientific. If Eckankar " spiritual practices have become completely scientific according to you then the religion has become a scientific organization .

So stop calling it the religion of the light and sound , if not you're contradicting yourself.

chieveboy:
Triplechoice, should we call it quits with your silence equalling a concession based on the volume of evidence shared in my latest response to your request for scientific evidence of the claim of this thread?


I shared two vital links. First is evidence of an incarceration...

The second one is starring at you in the face...

You have misinterpreted my silence. I ignored you because, instead of responding directly, you were trying to muddle the waters with your convoluted explanations and deflections into matters that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject under discussion. For instance,Who's discussing remote viewing with you? Me or someone else?

Well, you're yet to share scientific evidence concerning your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar. You think you have because you have a very casual and stubborn understanding of what scientific evidence is.

Once something is declared as scientific evidence , it's automatically accepted by nearly everyone within the scientific community as scientific truth .

How many mainstream scientist has publicly affirm that sound frequencies generated from signing Hu can attack and destroy cancer cells or cure any other illnesses?

Which reputable scientific journal has published your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar?


Your so called scientific evidence only exist in a personal blog owned by people with an obvious bias for the product they've seeking to promote as effective cure for cancer . That's not scientific evidence, chieveboy.

Scientific evidences are arrived at through rigorous testing and experimentation .And we trust them because reputable scientists from different parts of the world have conducted the same experiment to arrive at the same conclusion.

However, there are certain truths about the world that we live in that has no scientific support or explanation yet. So , If you want to be honest about your promotion of the spiritual exercises ,just declare that singing Hu, even though not scientifically proven , could result in miraculous outcomes, and nobody will dispute your claim strongly . The informed public can only ask for evidence , not scientific evidence,.

You contradict yourself each time you declare that something tagged "spiritual exercise" is completely scientific . If it's spiritual, then it's not scientific not to talk of it being completely scientific.Yes!

The links to CIA investigation of the paranormal doesn't validate your claim. I'm not debating remote viewing or OBE with you. So I can't see the point of you bringing that in.


You're desperately using everything you can lay your hands on to convince someone like me who was once involved in the teachings of Eckankar for over a period of 10 years and you think know what you're doing. No. you don't.

Look at how you continue hang on to the "arrest" of a non member of Eckankar as evidence that the spiritual exercises of Eckankar are what you claim it's . The reason I insisted on evidence for the arrest is just to confirm your story. That's all.

If not that you mentioned me here I wouldn't have gotten involved. But you choose to drag me into something you can't defend .

The task before you is very simple; Provide evidence, not scientific evidence, that you or anyone else can sing Hu instead of prayer to cure cancer and any other illnesses without needing medical attention from an orthodox medical practitioner.

Then later you can talk about the science behind it. This is what you should present to your followers,not me . I know what the singing of Hu can do and not do as well as why it can do what it can do.

It's not what you think.

Modified. Please respond only to the bolded in your reply.

Yes , it's very possible. In fact ,with the way things are going on in this country,I won't be surprised it happens very soon. Nigerians have been pushed to the wall . The average Nigerian is managing to survive. People are starving to death with no one rescue them from starvation.

Yet the current leadership whose "eyes are very far from the ground" are not doing anything seriously to remedy the situation . The pretend as if they care when they don't.

Before the coming of Boko Haram, most Nigerians will swear that suicide bombings will never happen in this country. But we have experienced that and even worse ; bandits and kidnappers everywhere terrorizing the people.

Nigeria is sitting on a time bomb. If revolution happens I'm afraid it would be very hard to contain it

SoNature:
What are they kicking?

How many of them pay the current minimum wage?

Thank you very much for this. They have never paid ,and majority of them won't be paying the new minimum wage once it's signed into law due to the exemption granted to them They're looking for excuses to increase the prices of their goods and services once we have a new minimum wage.

How many Small and medium scale enterprises in Nigeria have up to 25 workers in their payroll which the law says is a requirement for paying minimum wage? . You will hardly find any. Even the ones that have up to that figure usually lie about their staff strength to evade paying.

chieveboy:
That's the science na. God is actually the electricity, atom, protons and whatnots after you scratch the surface.

. Another attempt to deflect from the topic. We're talking about your use of frequencies as evidence that Eckankar is completely scientific, not God as as atoms or protons .Please focus on your op

The advanced scientists I know (I mean really advanced ones) are turning to mystics in broad day light.

See the works of these two for starters:

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ARBORDON

Davidsereda.net.

There's nothing in the sciences that says you should aspire to become a mystic once you become "advanced" in it . So I don't understand the reason for this irrelevant talk

Being a mystic is a personal decision and nothing to do with the sciences.

In your head, you seem to be playing it the obsolete science way, the "science is a anti-God format.

. Another vague talk. Please what's "obsolete science" and give instances where I have played that.

The issue is you're lagging behind with obsolete information on the real stuff. We have machines that amplifies intentions (mental intentions).

The issue is that your frustration in not being able to prove your claim is the reason you're trying to put the blame on me, which is very unfair. I'm
not " lagging behind" . Prove that what you do is completely scientific and you shut me up. That's all.

That's a prayer answering machine!!! We play with machines that links you to other realms... Check out the second link above....you're just behind on these stuff.

The machines are to do what Eckists call "spiritual exercises ". An example isan using machine to travel when he can port the whole thing to his destination via thought...

No. I'm not behind. You have a problem of not realizing that you're trying too hard to conflate two unlike things as the same. Effects created by machines cannot be exactly the same as those of humans. Those machines you mentioned aren't answering any prayers or helping you to travel anywhere real. Everything at the end of the day,is all in your head.

My claim was clear: Science is catching up with what Eckankar had been practicing for eons: "Soft" or Spiritual Technology"!!!
I said instead of praying, Eckists use frequencies instead, which Tesla a highly advanced and non-corporated scientist had long revealed is the main thing!!!

. Sciences that you claim is doing "catching up" has produced stuffs that has greatly improved how we live our lives, while you and the organization you belong to is yet to come up with anything tangible which the whole world can benefit from by using it in their daily lives. You sure like to deceive yourself and you're very good in doing that.

See, Eckankar has its own benefit, but not something to be compared to what mainstream scientist are doing.

What's left is for you to conjure up resources from online propaganda search results to tell us. we (Eckists), Tesla, Royal Rife, David Sereda (davidsereda.net) and lot more scientists that it's "pseudoscience"..

You're the one "conjuring" resources from online propaganda sources together with your deceptive tactics to deceive the gullible . And you just did that up there .

The bolded is your mentioning yourself, (" we, eckist" )alongside prominent scientist to give the false impression that you're doing the same thing as them and so ,shouldn't be criticized as a pseudoscientist.. Tesla and the others aren't pseudoscientists.At different times in the past, they have been able to provide the whole world with practical demonstrations of what they do using any kind of frequency . You on your part haven't been able to do so, yet you continue to delude yourself that you're a top scientist . You are engaged in masturbation.

In the other thread, you attempted the same deceit by mentioning and discussing the fictitious masters ,with dubious history created by Paul Twitchell, alongside well known historical personages to mislead the public that Rebazar tarz and Gopal das were real beings who sometimes lived in the past.

Notice how we never heard from you on the evidences I gave earlier of the incarceration and the true story behind the propaganda you feed on?

Why should you expect to hear from me when you're yet to provide any such evidences. The link you shared for the evidence is invalid or not connecting to anything. It's showing "access denied" Please go through it yourself and screenshot the part that report the arrest and let me read the actual reason for the arrest. I doubt if anyone will be arrested for coming up with a cure for cancer. It's only when the person is selling snake oil as cure for cancer or if the product is not registered with regulatory authorities that an arrest can happen. So provide the actual reason for the arrest.

BTW how does it even prove that Eckankar is completely scientific. A non member of Eckankar is arrested for cancer treatment and it's prove Eckankar is completely scientific. Wetin be dat?

You on the other hand fail to grasp the point based on your prejudice.

Which point and which prejudice? I have no prejudice against Eckankar, but telling it the way it's. It's a spiritual path that can provide some benefits to anyone who wants to try it out, and not what you're trying to claim it's.

Singing Hu to generate sound frequencies is not evidence that you're a top scientist or that
Eckankar is completely scientific. Anyone can produce sound frequencies by singing any word; Love, aum, ra, God , Jesus etc So nothing unique or scientific about what you're doing.

If you want to claim scientific, then begin by providing scientific explanation of how exactly your own generation of sound frequencies has helped you to cure cancer or any other illnesses and you will be taken seriously.

Stop mentioning non members of Eckankar. Tesla and the rest have provided practical demonstrations and explanations of what they do. Please discontinue from hijacking the successes of non eckist as evidence. Provide your own.

vacanci:
Labour is kicking at mere wage award.

They should wait until the minimum wage they are fighting for is passed into law. I have alsways said it that the problem labour have is with the states and not even federal government

they should be ready for all out war with the state governments. Shey it's 20 states now, after min wage, it will rise to 34.

Instead of starting the battle and shuting down nigeria when subsidy was removed and subsequent floating of exchange rate, they waited for hyper inflation and now asking for what the government is never going to provide.

It will be a tough ride for this jokers

. The wage award is not law hence the reason some if them have refused to pay it.

But minimum wage is law. So it will be different.

helinues:
The irresponsible Labour Union and their leaders

Why should labour be having negotiations with FG all this while without even involving the NGF?

Using an obsolete method and expecting different results?

https://www.nairaland.com/8116807/why-governors-silent-new-minimum

Shut up.

It's the Federal government that has the responsibility of coming up with a new minimum wage after negotiating with labour, and that's why it's in the exclusive list.

chieveboy:
Okay.

Calling Eckankar completely scientific will not make it so. The religion is far from being what you claim it's . I know because I was there before.

1. Eckist believe in a God, called sugmad .

2. Eckist believe that Harold Klemp is the true representative of this God.

3. Eckankar has it's own " Bible" called the shariyat -ki-sugmad

With the above,and others I haven't mentioned, how can anyone still claim Eckankar is completely scientific?

True science is not based on beliefs, but on facts and evidence.

What you're doing , chieveboy, is using your knowledge of science ,which s obviously not good enough, to interpret the religion has completely scientific when it's not.

I decided to ignore your lengthy reply up there in order not to prolong the conversation. You were incoherent most of the time and also making very vague references. And in the end nothing to show Eckankar is what you claim it is. No evidence yet from you that a certain scientist was arrested for inventing a device to cure cancer.

chieveboy:
The bolded really cracks and amazes me
You must have heard of Nikolai Tesla and about his work with frequencies and how most were confiscated by the FBI (because it's "pseudoscience" and useless )

Since the last time in the other thread and here, I subtly and Expressly do point you in the direction of a conscious effort by state agents, capitalists and religious agents at controlling what makes it to this textbook you seem to be fixated on to no avail. You somehow have this knack at sticking to the number 4.

In your logic, inventors and pioneers have to wait in queue for when the politics of science would want to look in the direction of updating textbooks.

You however would not be aware of State projects like HAARP which revolves around the "pseudoscience" of frequency energy machines.

You can see how they left you with the propaganda record you got on the Internet while they have developed several energy machines and weapons based on frequency which their propaganda arm labeled "pseudoscience".

You sound like they will come and update the textbooks after the HAARP research




Let's attempt to bring it home: The Covid Vaccines have been proven to be ineffectual, didn't go the usual retinue of testing before application (usually 50-10yrs), and even caused fatal injuries and even death, it however was released to the public over scientifically effective alternatives around like chloroquine.

Chemotherapy has around 80-90% failure rate, Rife frequency has 99% success rate.
Rife frequencies however is the pseudoscience...



Lol, you're still not getting it sir. The person behind this keyboard is grappling for words to let you know the name of the person who is sleeping with your daughter without causing much harm, but you seem to entrained...

If you didn't forget, I used the term "..the scientists are catching up...". So YES, Long before scientists even began calling frequencies "pseudoscience", Eckankar has long been using it. The frequency part is just a tip of it. Wait till scientists develop further to use sound to power flying machines and homes, and that will be them learning to crawl as far as that science is concerned.

The use of that term is a deliberate effort to divide and rule you into sticking with textbooks while they head in the direction of HAARP and other covert application of frequencies.


Are you aware Tesla's findings on frequencies are applied by nations like Russia to secure their airspaces to name just one of it's application?

In the words of Asari Dokubo: "the don leave you" (with textbook).



If only you would apply this wild imagination into catching the culprits responsible for making you stick to their scripts...



Does Holland bear the name Rife?



You have been waiting for rapture, it took place before your eyes and you're still waiting for rapture.

You watched a prove of concept, and you're quoting the inefficacy of the chemotherapy and "approved science".

The discussion centres on cancer cure using frequencies. Please stick to that and don't deflect to Tesla.

I said the use of frequencies to cure or manage cancer is pseudoscience just like acupuncture . Pseudoscience doesn't mean it cannot provide some result or benefit for those who use it. Why this is difficult for you to understand, to the extent you keep misrepresenting me all the time only God knows


Pseudoscience doesn't mean fake. It simply means not yet accepted by mainstream scientist because no detailed explanation of how it works. Placebo effect may be responsible for the results you're getting.

If what you have as cure is working and not harmful then please use it but don't try to deceive the public that the reason it's yet to be accepted by mainstream scientist is because of an imaginary gang up that only exist in your head.



You need to help yourself by learning very well the difference between pseudoscience and mainstream science as well as scientifically proven and not scientifically proven.Once you know the difference, you will surely understand what kind of science eckankar is.



And what's the incoherent rapture talk. Did I announce bto you I'm a Christian waiting for any rapture.?

Please don't forget, in your reply,to provide evidence of the person arrested. Failure to do so would mean you lied.

. Modified. I forgot this. There's no evidence anywhere that frequencies has been used to cure cancer. It's only used for managing it. If you have evidence of anyone completely cured if cancer using what you're saying please provide it here.

chieveboy:
The use of frequencies instead of prayer or traditional medicine.

The use of frequencies, even though given approval by FDA, is still classified as pseudoscience because it's not yet a proven cure in the sciences for all medical doctors working in regular hospitals to make use of. And that's why the same FDA has also issued a disclaimer to warn that anyone using it is doing so at their own risk.

It's like acupuncture which is helpful to manage certain illnesses but without scientific explanation of how it works.

Scientific proofs or scientifically proven,are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it

The science behind the use of frequencies in managing cancer is still at its elementary stage. There's some explanation but not enough to say it has been scientifically proven.. It may be working as a placebo. No one knows yet.

So, what all of these means is that, you have unknowingly just accepted that Eckankar is pseudoscience by comparing it what Dr Holland came up with.

I won't be surprised you come back to edit your comments to mean something else after another member of Eckankar, probably an HI, reading our conversation must have informed you that you're misrepresenting the organization. Dr Holland is not doing his work with the support of Eckankar. So why trying to make it seem as if he has the backing of the organization

BTW , where did you read that Dr Holland was arrested for using frequencies? I expected you to provide your source, but you failed to do so.

Modified. The use of frequencies is not yet a cure for cancer. No evidence that anyone has been cured by it. The only evidence we have is thar it helps to prolong the life of cancer patients. That's all

chieveboy:
Here is a work of some independent scientist who built on the work of an 'unofficial' scientist as far back as the 1920s curing cancer. That scientist was jailed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C73AuV1CsCP/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Question: Why jail someone who finds solution to a long standing scientific problem?

I can't find any evidence he was jailed for his discovery.

The FDA gave him approval. So it doesn't make sense to say he was jailed for what they gave him approval for.

Modified. And how does this method to manage cancer prove that eckankar is completely scientific?

chieveboy:
Science isn't about proving yourself to anyone. The progenitors of whatever the scientists sic politicians of today run with I have said before were mystics ala autodictats. It didn't start out as an organization to be controlled by powerful cartels and nothing is changing this as we are going right back to how it must be.

1.You're not proving yourself when you provide your findings to the public ,but contributing your own part to improve human knowledge about the world we all live in. Such contributions from the past are what we're benefiting from today. If you don't see any good in that, then that's your own problem.
2. As for your "progenitors" and " "mystic" explanation, sorry, I don't subscribe to such conspirational theories. Provide evidences for your claims.

Science making my phone doesn't mean that's the best it should be. It's full of harm biologicallyy emotionally and mentally if you're not aware.

Science will continue to seek for improvement in what it does, and nothing is perfect. Scientists are always alert to any danger their products can cause and because of that warn the public to take precautions. Even your Eckankar practices has its dangers too. Some of the spiritual exercises can drag you into a state of delusion requiring professional help.

I think I have told you of an inventor of a device which generates electricity from thin air. Till today, he fails to be patented because the so-called scientists cannot peer-review nor place into their ineffectual template the working principle of the machine.

Since no one knows the working principle, let him mass produce the machine and sell. Not having your findings peer reviewed doesn't mean it has become useless.

And the same "ineffectual template" is what has led to the phone you're using to downplay what they do.

Herein lies the issue. Textbook science, again. They won't tell you it has pure spirit simply because they are not advanced, I wonder why you love that tent.

I wonder why you like to say things which doesn't make sense? You have just produced another conspirational talk. Everyone can practice science and so there's no gang up anywhere to deceive the public . If a group of scientists try to hide the truth from the public it won't be long before another group of scientists reveals it. But this doesn't happen in spiritual paths like yours where they lie to you to accept and threaten you with karma for challenging the master .

There is this guy called Terrence Howard. All I can tell you is: Watch out

If what he comes up with is not magic and can benefit everyone.

Akinpresident:
You certainly don't have enough RAM for simple comprehension as seen in how directionless your arguments are.

I made a clear point that asides salary, there are other channels to access cash in govt.
If you're bereft of how politics works, you should prolly do more of reading and retrospect than jumping into threads and commenting like a bot.

You made an accusation and you were asked to substantiate it with evidence.Instead of doing so ,you are deflecting to irrelevancies .

Are kickbacks salaries?

And besides, do you have information he's even collecting the allowances? Are you is personal assistant to know?

And if collects it ,has he done anything wrong to collect what he's due?

You certainly have a problem

Please stop quoting me . I don't have time for your nonsense.

Akinpresident:
Are you just arguing for argument sake or you don't know what to say?

You're not saying anything. Where's the argument?

I just informed you of what you don't know about the minimum wage act. Please respond to that and also you tell me how you get to know the governor of Benue state has been collecting kickbacks from contractors.

chieveboy:
Material science is the study of effects. That's masturbation as far as the real thing is concerned. Some dude is coming to strip what you call science of it's fake fecade. Science will change completely.

. But this study of effects has produced stuffs like the one you're using now to make your presence felt on Nairaland. Material sciences is not masturbating but an alternative method available to everyone for arriving at truth . However, the material scientist won't agree to call it an alternative because that's the only thing he knows and finds more reliable .

Good! From the above, you reiterated the superficiality of what is referred to as science today which dwells on the 'effects' of the real object of any scientific engagement, as in how Gravity is a mere effect of electricity which itself is an aftermath of a grand dance of spiritual stuff (ether).

Its not superficial as you think if not stuffs cannot results from it . The only thing is that it has its limitations about what it can do or not do.

Science must be based on 'Soft technologies' like the so-called meditation, contemplation, Soul Travel and OBEs for it to properly take care of several problems and questions for mankind.

If they get to the point where they see it has a must they would do that . But for now,most of them still regard those as spiritual practices that shouldn't be included as something that must be taught in regular schools

Nothing is real or unreal. Things just are.

You say so because of how you have come to perceive the world around you and it's your choice how you want to view it. But remember , you live amongst others who don't see it the way you do.

Question: If an Eckist sees the ether via the proper apparatus creating another condition which the guy with apparatus calls gravity, who is seeing or interacting with the main thing? Who is the real scientist here?

The real scientist is the one able to present his findings for others to judge themselves.

Are you aware what is called the ECK is usable as part of machine? In other climes, it's known as "Logotechnocraton" or tech ology driven by mixture of consciousness or "Logos" and material substance?

. I'm afraid this sounds more like...........

Oh we've been at it for eons. The question is to what degree and from which dimension. A sead give-away is water. We put it in test tube all the time. It can be changed to pure ECK, gas or solid with the right procedure.

I'm not talking of how spirit, energy, manifest in the lower worlds for everyone to see it physically, but how it's only perceived as either light or sound , or even more than that,through inner travel, meditation, soul or any other means available to the " spiritual scientist"

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.

Akinpresident:
Why don't we start with asking the SGF for proof that he can't pay 4 drivers 100k monthly?

Why deflecting from the main issue you raised about the governor collecting kickbacks?

Unfortunately your SGF spoke out of ignorance. He's not aware of what the law says.He is not meant to pay his personal drivers just 4 of them ,minimum wage. His drivers don't fall into the category of those to receive minimum wage unless the minimum act is amended to include .

You ,yourself ,don't also know if not you shouldn't know what to say concerning what he said .

Akinpresident:
Politicians and their crazy manner of lying.

I like this man, he's quite ambitious and seems ready to make things happen. But these lies won't help anyone.
You're not collecting salary? Okay. How much is the salary compared to your security vote?
All those people doing contracts aren't in any way parting with any kickback?

Seniorman, you'll succeed, not because of these lies, but because it's your decision to succeed.

Do you have evidence that he's collecting kickbacks from contractors?

And is security vote the same as salary?

Do you have evidence that he's not using the money for what it's voted for, security?

Reloadedisraelp:
I don't know when Nigeria government will do away with pensions.... Pensions are like a circle of wastage.... Once they retired just pay them 5month pension once n end it there... continues payment of pensions is a total waste of fund... Spit

But it's not wastage to you when governors have enacted laws to receive pension for life.

helinues:
That one no be talk

Things are cheaper in Nigeria but not available.

Things are available in abroad but expensive

Things not available are cheaper?

U know wetin u type so?

chieveboy:
"Physical matter is music solidified" - Pythagoras

The above quote means it is Sound solidified. Humans call it music because of the symphony that comes with Sounds in nature when viewed or listened to with the proper tools. Further measure and give symbols to these sounds and you have mathematics and any subject that exists for a human.


I recall telling a someone here in the past on how Eckankar is completely scientific. I think its triplechoice. He thinks otherwise. Well, the so-called scientists are catching up...

The truth is science as we know it is about to be stripped to its marrow in the few coming days. Thanks to the advent of this genius already in action. His work will open up Leonardo Davinci's work closed up in the vatican libraries because if made public will strip religion of its powers. Not so anymore!



The below image is a tidbit of the science of sound and why Eckists will rather use the Hu sound instead of bombarding their space with speech propelled by worry, concern, anger (when binding and casting), begging, etc which are only good for compounding a condition because the wrong Sound frequencies are being used.



I will post a video for more details.

I always knew you didn't understand from where I was coming from the last time we had some argument or discussion.

I didn't say Eckankar is not scientific or cannot be approached scientifically ,but not the same kind of science practiced by those trained in the material sciences taught in regular schools open to the public

While eckist, or spiritual scientist practice spiritual exercises which helps to open up dormant perceptive tools within themselves to perceive spirit or other inner realities directly, those trained in the material sciences , physics or chemistry for instance, are only able to observe and record what the limited five physical senses and other scientific instrumentation can make them perceive, which they then declare as scientifically proven after validating it through testing and experimentation.

However , it doesn't mean that everything the spiritual student sees in his inner travel is real or actually there: The inner world is made up of both the real and the unreal. Not knowing this can easily drag one into a state of delusion where the individual is no longer able to separate the real from the unreal.

There are methods available to the spiritual student or eckist to validate as real what's perceived innerly which you failed to mention but tried to create the false impression that it's the same as the rational sciences.

For instance, can you put the Eck or holy Spirit in a test tube and observe and measure it just like those trained in the material sciences ? Certainly not.

So what are you talking about? Chieveboy